Is That McCartney In The Crowd At Lennon's First Gig? We Investigate! The Birth of the Beatles Ep2.
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- The Birth of the Beatles.
The 6th of July 1957 was a truly historic day. That's the day that John
Lennon and Paul McCartney met. The Quarrymen, John's band, were playing at the Woolton Village Fete.
But two weeks before that John and the Quarrymen played a gig at a street party in Toxteth, Liverpool.
We have Charlie Roberts to thank for booking them in the first place and also for the photographic record that we have today.
One of the photographs though very possibly gives us more than we were expecting, begging the question ... is THAT Paul McCartney watching in the crowd? If so then an important historical event has inadvertently been captured on film.
We're going to do a deep dive in this video and investigate!!
We're also going to visit the location of John's first gig - in Rosebery Street and viewers of this video will be among the very first people online to listen to the school song that inspired the 'Quarrymen' name - the original band which was to become the Beatles.
Two weeks after this gig, John and Paul met for the very first time. You can watch our first video showing the exact location here -
The Birth of the Beatles Episode 1.
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This meeting led to the Beatles and world and music history was changed forever. It would still be some years away that we would see the full line-up of John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and George Harrison.
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Paul McCartney said he rode his bike to woolton fete.
Just ask Paul himself. Send him the pic.
I can't watch. It says Video Is Unavailable.
Why doesn't somebody show the photo to somebody with connections to Paul, and ask them to confirm it?
Because it’s bollocks and this way gets a few clicks
@@cuchulainx3125 How do you know that ?.
Even if Macca himself said it wasn't him. Would those believing it was, change their minds?
Or just ask Paul himself.
lmao just ask Paul McCartney
I think you are spot on. I’m sure of it, that’s Paul. We need to get this in front of him pronto, so we can prove it, while we still have this living legend among us and before, God forbids, he suffers any memory issues us seniors are prone to. We don’t know what tomorrow brings for any of us, so somebody hurry up on this!
Well put. I will try Joey.
@@verynearlyinteresting Sorry, but William wouldn't remember. Obviously. Because it isn't him. Try with John Halliday instead. However he might have passed in 2018.
Very epic find & verdict. Both videos are very amazing insights on the modern world's greatest musical butterfly effect: the meeting of John & Paul. Many great things have the most humble beginnings. Just wish John & George were still here to feel the love we still have for them so many year later. Greatest band of all time! And salute to you for these visual treats & insights.
Thanks so much QuabmasM!
That’s Roger Chells from Wellingmellon, I knew him well, yes, he rode his bike from Wurthinturth ‘round Bellford. Oh Roger, it’s good to see you mate, come ‘round to see us at Mirthgire, we’ll be ready with a pint!
All these decades that I've looked at this photo and I've never even checked out the crowd. Looks like Paul to me as well. Interesting video!
Thanks :)
Great video! You do a good job making 1957 Liverpool come alive and feel very nearly real again. Paul's face changed a lot from '57 to '63, when most of us first saw photos of him. We would need to see more profile photos from '57 to be sure. It's the hairstyle and loose jacket that convince me that you're right.
I'm left-handed and used to ride a bike to get around as a teen. Paul is likely standing to the right of his bike, holding the bike's handlebars on his left, and is closer to the camera so he looks taller.
This is so nice to read, thank you William :)
I'd like to add a small but interesting detail - the Quarrymen gig on the 6th of July was at the back of St Peters church, right on the edge of a defunct quarry =^) Really enjoyed this video, a different but very entertaining presentation!
Thanks Andy! 😊
For the glasses, there is a photo of Paul wearing glasses taken in Hamburg near the Bambi Kino. good job!
That is NOT Paul. Plus, he's always been clear about his early meetings with John and he's NEVER said he saw them before the "Fete" on July 7th!
The romantic side of me says that's Paul, so it is as far as I'm concerned. I went to Liverpool last November for a visit, did a Beatles tour and also went on our own, including that church hall. It's a great city and music seeps out of every brick. Great vid, subscribed. Cheers.
after all this time-66 years ..surely McCartney would know if it was him and would have said by now. .it's a story that keeps being told endlessly...
Happened on this 'cause I fell down an early Beatles (love them) rabbit hole. Very well done! You have obviously done much research, you are fun to watch, and this video was fun to watch. I hit subscribe. Greetings from the U.S.! (Plus... the name Very Nearly Interesting cracks me up!)
Well this is nice to wake up to!! Thanks so much, Pat. I'll make sure I use the boom pole as a mic on the next video given that you like it!
I've seen that photo a million times and never thought once to look at the crowd. I'd say it's Paul.
I mean, would anyone be surprised to learn that Paul watched John, decided he wanted to play with him/in his band, practiced for two weeks and asked Ivan to arrange a meeting? Paul is a mastermind and said many times that he noticed John and thought he was cool. Imo their meeting was destined - but not solely by chance.
I agree with every word. Tez. :)
@@verynearlyinteresting So you agree that it wasn't Macca in the photo?
Exactly. Paul is a genius. What could be more attractive to John Lennon than a Paul Mac showing up to demonstrate that he'd been studying john and knew how to tune a guitar? John seems to have fallen for paul at first sight, and who can blame him?
@@stoneageprogrammer432 i couldn't agree more 👌🏻
@@valerielaurencethank you
Fun, fascinating, and very well researched! I love your style and solid content. All the Best from this 70yo life-long Beatles fan in Kentucky!
Thanks so much Pete, what a lovely comment to receive!! A new one went out yesterday regarding the location of the Lennon stage - see if you can get chance to watch it, I think you'll like it. Tez. Ps greetings from England!
Loved this video, loved your presentation, and yes, I really do think that was Paul in the photo. He could have been wearing sunglasses. 🕶🚲
Yeah ... after all it was a nice summer's day. I wish I had said that!
I've heard that Paul does use glasses but his eyes are not that bad and he knew glasses were John thing.
Wonderful video thanks so much!
Thanks Sally :)
3:00 it's funny how much his walk and talk looks like that scene from the Rutles.
Hi Steve, it's me, Tez. I'd love to know what scene you meant! Thanks for watching and commenting ;)
@@verynearlyinteresting there's a few scenes of Eric Idle as the earnest documentary narrator and this reminds me most of the one where he has extreme trouble keeping up with the mobile camera.
I’ve watched the clip now … how funny! Good observation 🤣.
Very, very interesting. Good Job. Thank you.
Greetings from Germany.
All the best.
Tommy
That’s nice of you to say! Thanks Tommy 😊
Thank you for the video and good luck with the channel.
Thank you Tommy
I expected to dismiss the picture too, but his side profile is very very similar. If you look at the side profile of Paul on the Revolver cover, the shapes of his nose and lips are so similar to this picture. Only thing that marginally puts me off is that Paul looked a bit chubbier in the face in other 1957 pictures. Still, an intriguing find!
I admire you passion on the subject! Good work 👍🏻
Thanks Steve, that's nice to hear :)
Interesting! I hope to see more Beatles videos soon.
Outstanding…again!
Thank you Steven 😊. Tez
I think it’s it’s Paul. Certainly has his profile. I’ve seen enough pics over the last 60 years that I truly believe it’s him.
Excellent info and stories! Great job!
Yep, I think it's him too. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Yes, I think it is him too,
@@strawman80 A lot of thinking going on here, but no knowing.
@@sandgrownun66 You think so?
I agree, looks like Paul to me, and if it isn't then perhaps it's Billy Shears (that was a joke....)!
I am so pleased at last that someone has finally looked into this photograph, I have seen it several times before but without any comment as to whether it could be ? could someone just not ask Paul ?
It would be interesting to send it to his agent maybe ...
Do you really want to know? 😉
Very interesting!
Very well made video - brought it all to life. Is it Macca? We all hope so, but really, it needs Paul's confirmation for me.
Thank you for watching and commenting Robutube. Tez :)
Absolutely agree, it’s Paul. IMO he was even then considering his options…!
I recall in Barry Miles Bio that Paul was aware of John, seeing him at the local shops, the newsagent and fish & chip shop come to mind, but this obviously is the first time he actually sees John play.
Come to think of it, I wonder where George and Ringo were on this actual day? Now that would be interesting.
Top notch delivery with this video😎👌
Thanks very much!
Ringo was probably playing on a real stage by that point!
@@areareare9953 I think he was working on the ferries around that time.
From those who actually are in the photo ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxO8-xn1chiaPM4s9MLkHBZiJIKvHXr-q5
I am a Scouser, but was a few years too young to go and see them in ‘early days’ concerts. Loved this Video and have subscribed. Looking forward to many more.
Hi Trish … thank you for subscribing! Tez
@@verynearlyinteresting My pleasure. I was actually born and raised ‘Over the Water’, the POSH SIDE, as the Liverpudlians call it : BIRKENHEAD.
My first Book (Im an Author) is called ‘A GIRL FROM BIRKENHEAD’ - my autobiography, growing up on Merseyside. Love the Beatles (especially the ‘early days, John) but my heart belongs to Jeff Lynne of ELO. Now that story I’d like to see. Jeff has even PRODUCED one of the Beatles albums (The White Album??) and apparently has done better than Paul. Anyway, I can be a fan of both, hey!! Looking forward to your next one! Trish xx
Cool video, great channel, I'm enjoying it!
Oh thank you!!!! Tez 😊
No way.
Paul never wore glasses until AFTER he met John to make John feel better, not because he needed to wear them. There is NO WAY he would be wearing these glasses BEFORE meeting John and BEFORE he would even know that John even WORE glasses.
There is NO WAY you KNOW whether he wore glasses BEFORE meeting John or WHY he wore them AFTER, you TWIT.
It looks like Paul but then you see the jacket and it more or less becomes Paul. I wonder if Mark Lewisohn knows....
Very interesting 😁😁👍👍
You can probably tell from my handle that I am a Beatles addict.. in a good way. In 2008 I returned home to London ( Came to Canada in 50's ). we visited anything to do with the Beatles including St Peter's church where John attended as a kid. The custodian was amazing. He met us as we were searching the back cemetery for Eleanor's grave. He eventually took us into that hall across the street. He gave me a copy of the program from that eve featuring the Quarrymen. Along the back where you were standing, a few steps there, he showed the still evident traces of where the stage was there for that event. He said he was there watching Paul and John sitting on the stage steps, discussing songs... possibly to play together. Also... on the wall behind you there are a lot of pics and papers posted. Back in 2008, there was a display of the newspaper article showing the John Lennon drawing of a yellow whale, believing that it inspired Yellow Submarine. He said that the original is in a safe up in the office so they kept a copy of it on the wall for display. very cool.
I know you say that Paul may be vague and cannot recall specific dates but has he been shown the picture? Surely, if not the date, he would certainly at least remember riding a bike and staying on it to attend the street party.
Keep up the great work. I have subscribed as I really like your humorous style and great research.I have many pics and some vids from that encounter in 2008 if ever you are interested.
cheers...
Good work. Very interesting notion, plausible, for sure.
Yes it's highly likely in my opinion ... it does divide opinion though. Thanks for watching and commenting Michael, much appreciated. Tez.
Reporter- And it was here, at this spot where, in 1957 Ron Nasty invited Dirk McQuickly to help him stand up. Dirk, merely an amateur drinker, agreed. Thus, was born a legend that would last a lunchtime.
Wayne ... I honestly wasn't very aware of the Rutles before now (I knew of it but never watched, really) ... but even I am beginning to agree with everyone. I've been watching Eric Idle videos today thanks to all of the comments. Thanks for watching and commenting, means a lot.
And the whole world was shocked and stunned!!
@@jamesbyersmusic 🤣🤣🤣
Very interesting. Thanks.
Damn. I was going for 'Very nearly interesting'. Ah well. Thanks for watching and commenting Chris ;)
Look at the behind-the-scenes photos from the recording sessions for revolver, Paul is wearing glasses The photos can be found in the booklet for the CD of revolver
looks very like Paul! great photo.
Astonishing 🙌
Sorry but I can't agree. I have never seen a picture of Paul wearing glasses but many of John. Even today he is never seen wearing glasses (except sun glasses on occasion). I really wish it was Paul, it's always great when new pictures are found.
Hey wore glasses recording revolver
@@brianpattishall774 In the photos in Revolver, John is wearing his glasses, the other 3 Beatles are wearing sunglasses.
I think you're right, All the pieces fit!
Great video. You've just got a new subscriber
Brilliant David! Thank you 😊
I asked David Bedford (Beatles expert) about this photo and he told me he had spoken to the person who took it. It is not Paul.
Very interesting indeed! Paul should watch this and say something... The Bicycle, how tall he was at that moment, the style of his jacket, the glasses. I insist: Paul say something! I've already subscribed and liked!
Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing Joe, that means a lot. I agree ... wouldn't it be awesome to get Paul's comment on this!
We need to send the pic to him! I need to know!
I'm a walking Beatle encyclopedia, and have NEVER scene this pic! Thanx. That being said, is it it Paul?.................................YES
Wow, thanks for your comment Patrick :)
Apparently not, not according to someone who was there anyway 🤷🏻♀️
@@autumn5852 and?
I thought that was Sir Paul watching the Quarry Men!!
Great video, and I agree, it's Paul.
People who were there say otherwise - ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxO8-xn1chiaPM4s9MLkHBZiJIKvHXr-q5?si=fiudrLsAoczuujCL
good stuff
Thanks Joel ;)
I think you're right!
To VNI:
This was a very good video... and I really enjoyed it.
Personally, I must confess that I would have loved this to actually be McCartney
as it would have made this photo the most significant photo in Beatles history.
But sadly, it's not McCartney. It is actually Paul Pilnick... truly it is.
If you do just a bit of research online you will find an article that confirms it.
Please keep the videos coming! All the best to you!
Thank you very much, most appreciated. Tez
I really enjoyed this video and I think it's Paul. Ask him!
That’s not Macca. Great vid by the way. Well presented.
Oh thanks! :)
Wow! That Paul is indeed quite credible.
Greetings from Chile.
Thanks Sergio ... greetings from England!
I agree that the profile of the face looks remarkably similar to Paul McCartney. But the ears are a dead giveaway that this can NOT be PM. The shape of the ear bears no resemblance to Paul's ears, therefore it can't be Paul in the picture. Also, I think that the young man in the photograph is taller than 5 -11. I think that everybody, including the presenter, wants it so bad to be Paul that it clouds their judgement.
Definitely a worthy conclusion. He does seem to be the guy
Excellent video 👍
Well I recognise that name!!! Thanks so much for your work on this Andy ... awesome job.
@@verynearlyinteresting no problem! Enjoyed doing it although it tested the fingers lol
@@andrewspencer4843 It was AWESOME!!!!!
Excellent presentation. Yes, this without a doubt, Paul McCartney. The ears and chin give it away.
Thanks Apollo11! I can't say I looked at the ears much but will go back and look. Tez ;)
His ears look nothing like Paul's - are you blind?
Great video! I wasn't aware of your channel until stumbling upon this video. It would be great if you could credit the BeatlesWiki for its article published 10 years ago and laying out most of this info, including photos. When I wrote the article, I ended up becoming friends with Charlie Roberts, the photographer, and digitally restored three of his photos from that day which he now sells. Thanks!
nice vid!
Thanks Nat :)
I think I agree with you. Paul would know for certain, so it's a pity that he doesn't comment on the matter. He has described on the July 6th meeting as being impressed by John's changing of some of the lyrics, but surely he would've already known this had it been him 2 weeks earlier as well, as they would've almost certainly sung the same songs?
I think it is Paul, but it isn't the first time he has seen John. Paul said has that he had seen John at the bus stop many times before they actually met.
Yes it could be but the best way to be sure is to ask directly to Paul.
very good video
Thank you :)
I think it's on the back of revolver maybe? Or on one of those revolver eral photos. Paul in glasses in the studio, with other beatles there
Is it McCartney in the photo? I don’t think so BUT this has to be the 1st clickbait video on RUclips which has been produced with enough care, passion and good humor as to make the controversy nearly irrelevant 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 The Song Of The Quarry! ✊🏼 Subscribed!!
What a lovely comment, that means a lot ... thanks so much BeatleDrama ;)
"Is That McCartney In The Crowd" is not 'clickbait' when the photo shows someone, who if it isn't him, is close to being his Liverpool doppelganger.
@@sg-yq8pm the term clickbait - while often associated with negative or misleading intent, is not in and of itself a deceptive practice but rather a marketing maneuver used very often in content creation, particularly in the RUclips space. As defined by Webster’s dictionary
Clickbait ( on the internet) is: content whose main purpose is to attract attention and encourage visitors to click on a link to a particular web page.
That is most certainly the case with this (excellent) video, which I have praised. No one should take offense.
1,000th sub!
Dude … I know!!! We saw your name flash up as it rolled on to 1,000. You’re getting a shout out on our next video. Thank you so much! Tez.
I agree. That looks like Paul for sure.
Yep, that's my view. Thanks for watching James ;)
Nothing about that photo suggest the man is on a bike. And, besides, Paul was 15 at the time; he sure wouldn’t have been that tall.
Great video, though🤘🏼
Thanks for watching and commenting :)
I discovered this as well many years ago when I made a video about their meeting. (still on youtube) I too believe it is Paul. However.... I did talk to Colin Hanton back in October 2022 (wonderul guy) and he says it's not. Word is it's Paul Pilnick who died in 2021. Paul Pilnick played with Lee Curtis and the All stars, the Big 3, and Steelers Wheel (stuck in the middle with you fame) and was born in 1941. But I can't find an early photo of Paul Pilnick to make a comparison. I tend to think it's Paul McCartney and the person who could confirm it (other than Paul himself) is his brother Michael. You do have one thing wrong though in your assumptions. McCartney himself said he saw John around Liverpool prior to July 6, 1957. ie.. He stated he saw him on the bus and in and around Liverpool.
Paul has said (in interviews) that when he and John fell out/argued, Paul would call John "four eyes!", so wouldn't make sense if he also wore glasses. I agree it looks like him but I think we would all "want" it to be him. The truth is whatever it really was so we may never know. Paul said that John used to reply "pigeon chest!" back when he called him four eyes, I don't get why.
Pigeon chest is term to describe a sunken in chest
@@yensilluapit’s actually the opposite of a sunken in chest, it’s where the chest sticks out
@@autumn5852 my mistake thanks for the correction. What do they call it when the chest is sunken in a bit - like a dip ?
I looked it up😁 Apparently a caved in chest is called Pectus Excavatum!
@@yensilluap I’ve never (knowingly) seen a caved in chest or heard of it but I know a pigeon chest as my dad had one :) we learn something new everyday 😊
There should be some way to get confirmation from Macca. Six degrees and all...
Some one needs to tell Paul to give a look here
Looks like Paul to me even without the well-laid-out evidence.
LOOK, its well known in Liverpool by older folk, Paul got the 82 bus or 80 bus, got off and and walked along to street party, to see and hear John's group, then mix in abit.
I think you're spot on. That's Paul!
Thanks for commenting,Jim. Yes I think you’re right … it definitely divides opinion though. Tez.
@@verynearlyinteresting Well, I for one, didn't need convincing. I believed it was Paul straight away. No looking sideways at it, no squinting. 😊
Yep, that's him!
I just watched Imgine John Lennon. This photo is in the documentary narrated by John. They zoomed in on it and you can't see the guy in the light jacket but John says this is the day he met Paul.
PS - also check out on line the photo of John and Paul as the Nerk Twins. Paul has his hair the same as the guy in the photo.
I will definitely check out these things Constance. Thanks so much for watching and commenting 😊. Tez
Oh I forgot to add. It's most likely Billy Shears
Paul states in Anthology 1 , that he went to the "fete" to check out John . He said that John would play a popular song , and would add his own lyrics. So yes , Paul was at the fete...
That's the fete in Woolton
@@Kez1a1 Oh...that's right . So , maybe that isn't Paul .
Interesting to say the least. Looks like MACCA for sure. We need an interviewer to ask the question. Someone who Paul speaks to a lot. (Enter Howard Stern, or James Corden)... someone like that. Any way to forward this clip to any of them?
Nice suggestion!
Compare the ears, sure fire way for identification, good as a finger print.
At no time in 1957 was Paul McCartney 5' 11"" tall. At just turning15 years old, Paul would have been about 5' 6" maximum. There is no bike in this picture and Paul did not where glasses (unless he was fooling around for a photo).
Some of this was news to me, and I've never seen some of the locations. Very (nearly) interesting,
Thanks Aqua :)
Paul or not Paul. I doesn't change Beatles history but it is very intriguing! Paul mentioned in an interview a few years ago that he had seen John before the day he was introduced to him by Ivan Vaughn.
I don't know it sounds very believable as a hang that happen we would need a time machine
A time machine would be good! ;)
I agree...
I was skeptical, so I paused the video and had a really good look; I now believe it's Paul. I hope Paul gets wind of this so he can confirm or deny.
Apparently not, according to people who were there 🤷🏻♀️ ~ ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxO8-xn1chiaPM4s9MLkHBZiJIKvHXr-q5?si=fiudrLsAoczuujCL
That looks like McCartney to me. If that is the case, then it makes their next meeting much less of an accident.
I can imagine a young, ambitious, talented Paul, scheming to join the Quarrymen.
That’s what I think as well Fred. I think he had a plan … jumping on his bike and going to Quarrymen gigs … he knew from the get-go that he wanted in on it.
has paul seen this pic...he should know for sure ........i mean the jacket, glasses and he is so close to john in the pic......also..
You're obsessed with these guys. I should know, I've seen them all.
It certainly looks like Paul thought it straight away.
Well it could be possible that he was there in the crowd but it also possible that the person in the photograph is not Paul. I mean, there is no way to prove it and the photograph is low quality. And I think if Paul himself see this photo, won't be able to remember that it was really him!!
It's probably him....or .... WAS IT BILLY SHEPHERD ALREADY PLANNING HIS MOVE TO TAKE OVER THE BAND!!!! No, it's probably Paul. It's almost like an Elizabeth and Phillip photo, and probably just as arranged. There was some biographer several years ago who was astonished to find out that Paul and John had actually met when Paul was doing his bike route (so like 13/14 years old) and they had (clutches pearls) spoken. He wondered why neither had told him that story. I thought that was hilarious. He seemed actually hurt personally by finding that out from others.
its him alright! face and all! i have no doubts but the only one who can confirm is himself! have you tried to ask him? anyway, thanks, great video.
I'd love the opportunity!! Thanks for watching art angel :)
@@verynearlyinteresting I see! You know Sir Paul got a website I m sure! Why dont u become a member post your video with a comment and see what happens! Who knows!!!! I m sure he d be interested in the photo!
@@verynearlyinteresting another is that the guy in the photo which I m sure is Sir Paul looks so much alike that small photograph in the white album centrefold and if ain’t him is Billy Sheers , 😂 LOL ! It’s the man alright!!!
I think we need to investigate that crazy ass microphone this gentleman is using.
🤣We’ve launched an investigation.
OMG I remember seeing this picture in the first book to be published of the Beatles in January 1964, The True Story of the Beatles by Billy Shepherd a made up name the true writer was Peter Jones editor of the Record Mirror, who wrote the book and did the first proper interview with The Beatles, George Martin and Cilla Black! Don’t forget that Paul was friends with George before he first met John, George was 12 and Paul was 13, I’ve read story’s of Paul and George hitchhiking together and hanging out with each other playing guitars, so thats another vlog you could do? 😊. Another You Tube channel says its not Paul by the guy who actually took the photo 😢
Do you have a link?
@@garethb1961 Its on Brightmoon Liverpool YT channel
I agree, I do believe strongly that it was Paul, although can't we ask Paul McCartney himself?
Paul (while in the Beatles, mind you) wore glasses just about everywhere off stage and when not in public or on photo shoots; many images show him in glasses in the studio. However, you can tell it's JPM just by looking at his face... visible here even in profile. The dead giveaway, pardon the pun, are his "sticky out" ears!
I will go back and look at those ears! Thanks for commenting Clara :)