You do not understand how some things are baked in advantages. The reason the PAC 12 died is because a decent portion of their games had kickoff times of 10pm or later on the eastcoast. Even if Oregon just had a couple games this late, it is enough to keep them from the top 10 in viewership. It hurt Pac-12 recruiting too, because players don't want to play at place when half the country is asleep. The SEC has also had the advantage of playing 95 percent of their bowl games (and non-con "neutral site" games) in their own territory. Home field advantage matters! Do you know what the SEC record since 1990 against the PAC-12 was when they had the guts to travel out west? 8-11, and most of their wins came against Arizona schools. Scheduling and location matter, and it is backed into the cupcake, that is the SEC/NCAA lovefest. Do you think it is fair that the SEC is the only conference that gets to play late November FCS games? While other conferences are playing meaningful conference matchups, the SEC is taking a bye week, and getting their teams an undeserving 6th win to get them into a home bowl game so that the next preseason poll has them ranked 24th when they shouldn't be ranked at all.
People always talk about how the sec is the most drafted of the players which is true but a lot of those sec players in the nfl end up having a failing career most of the best nfl players who have long and successful careers come from a different conference I mean that’s just the truth look at all the top QBs in the nfl right now they all come from different conferences lmao the ones who last long in the nfl look at the running back yeah it’s a few sec but swift is garbage Derrick Henry is just a special kind he’s sec but Christian is from Stanford look at Josh Allen played for Wyoming pay played for tech baker played for ou when it was big 12 some of them played for Oregon I mean it’s more successful nfl players not from the sec that’s the truth 😂
The thing with the SEC has always been that because its strength is both real and deep, and they all play each other, it's HARD for any team to emerge unscathed from its conference schedule. That's actually been rather rare, as opposed to other conferences dominated by 1 or, at most, 2 powerful schools and everybody else in their conference is struggling even to reach a "Walmart Participation Trophy" bowl game, but the perennial top teams in those conferences were mostly beating up on their much-weaker conference members, and their non-conference games were against even weaker opponents. So how impressed is anybody supposed to be if, say, Ohio State goes 12-0 (or even 11-1 after losing to Michigan, even 2024 pathetic Michigan). Where is their strength of schedule? OTOH, in the SEC, where every school is only ranked lower than objectively inferior (or at least, untested-against-serious-opposition) teams in other conferences with fewer losses, you shouldn't expect, except in extraordinary circumstances such as the 2019 LSU team, to have an undefeated season given the quality of the opposition. So yeah, SEC bias is and should be a thing. The rest of college football can either put up or shut up. This year, and this will probably be the norm going forward, the transfer portal and NIL have somewhat brought most SEC teams down to a common denominator, as opposed to it being Bama vs. occasional freak shows like 2019. So it's more likely than ever that the best SEC teams will NOT have perfect seasons, but all will be quite competitive. with each other. As opposed to the anointed and (yawn) ONLY teams to make it through their "Big 10" (separate air quotes here) "schedule". unblemished or given the benefit of the doubt, or made it to the playoffs because of the utterly insane format it currently has. Just copy the FBS system, (other than expanding it to 20 teams, which is in NOBODY's interest at this level) . Given no seeding weight to conference championship wins, eliminate those games entirely, give no guaranteed spot to a "group of 5" team, and just seed everybody per some aggregation of polls. Teams 1-12 in the playofff, and their playoff seeding, is how they actually rank. Of course, I, working the airport ramp o Baton Rouge, and being raised in the now-defunct SWC, hope nothing but pain and frustration on the SEC in general and LSU in particular because the worse they do, the easier my life is. I'm doing whatever voodoo I can to curse LSU. But that said, ain't nobody from elsewhere that can claim SEC bias when they don't have to play ranked teams nearly every time, and that's just the regular conference schedule.
This is a very level headed conversation, and I appreciate your version of the SEC bias, rarely do you put down other conferences. Strangely, ESPN regularly does this, and I think it hurts their own product
They did just spend $3 billion on getting the rights to cover SEC games, so it's very understandable. When the #1 place for sports news also broadcasts a ton of games across many different sports, they'll do anything to try and hype up their product.
National Titles since 1994: SEC - 16 SEC minus Bama - 10 Big 8/12 - 4 ACC - 5 Big 10 - 4 PAC 10/12 - 1 Transfer portal and NIL are adding parity now but the perceived SEC bias of the last 15 years is a side effect of reality.
And don’t forget since the playoffs started and before conference realignment you had 2 SEC teams in the championship and it was never that for any other conference.
Agreed!!! Pre season polls are based on almost no objective information especially today with the transfer portal! SEC is heavy favorites every year in pre season
@@kam_203 that only happened because the committee had already stated they wouldn't hold losing the conf championship game against the loser. Had they not made that statement BEFORE the championships, I guarantee Bama would've gotten in.
Yes, there is bias. That doesn't mean that certain SEC teams can't be good. Two things can be true. For example, Kirby Smart says, “It's harder to play on the road in the SEC.” Dude, Texas isn't any louder than it was in the Big 12 last season. This stuff gets baked in, and a team doesn't fall as far when they take a loss when they otherwise would.
UGA fell from 2 to 13 after a road loss to a top ten at the time Ole Miss. Ohio State lost at home to a depleted, unranked 5 loss Michigan. They fell from 2 to 6. You were saying?
Both UT and bama hold over 100k. So the big 12 had 2 stadiums like this where the sec is mostly like this except a handful. You have 3 in the big 10. And you can bet sec schools would expand if they could lol
There was a lot of parity in the SEC this year. If this continues it may be very difficult to get more than two or three teams in the CFP in the future. The CFP committee is all about win/loss record.
It's not a binary choice, SEC bias has degrees to it. At the lower end there's the reality of the talent distribution that puts the SEC as the most talented conference. In the mainstream there's the view that Vanderbilt is a better team than Indiana and on the upper end there's the view that Oregon would come in last in the SEC.
considering Indiana’s best win is 7-5 Michigan, Vanderbilt’s best win is 9-3 Alabama. both Michigan and Alabama play each other in a useless bowl game.
@GoatedAtNFS Glad you brought this up. Pates explanation was historically the SEC has been dominant. Take Michigan for example they won all title last year. Does that mean they are top10 this year? The SEC is down this year and nobody is calling it out. Their mid their teams are not good. Auburn lost to Cal, Arkansas lost to Okie ect. To pretend Vandy and Oklahoma are good just because Bama took a dive is definitely biased and unwarranted.
@@GoatedAtNFSeh, I don’t like that way of thinking. Michigan beat Ohio State, so Indiana’s win over Michigan is good now? Vandy also loss to Georgia St and lost 6 games.
you’re exaggerating. i think people believe Indiana, Penn State, SMU, ND, and Boise State would have more than 1 loss if they played a SEC schedule and Alabama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina would have less than 3 losses if they played any other schedule
CFB needs a one year cross pollination season. Let’s take the 3rd or 4th best team from the SEC and Big 10 and flip their schedule. Each team-for this one season- competes in the other conference standings. It would be interesting.
SEC bias is like having a LeBron or Jordan bias. It's not like the media bias made them great. They are/were great because they were the best. The greatness precedes the bias, not the other way around.
lol, uh no. The sec is not LeBron or Jordan. If you make that comparison to Alabama, sure. But let’s not forget Georgia Tech had more national titles before Georgia was suddenly good the last 5 years
@@Mmmmmk247they weren’t suddenly good the last 5 years. Smarts only truly “bad” year was 2016. He went 8-5 then went to the National championship beating Oklahoma and won the SEC Championship. Put respect on Georgias name bro
Baked in advantages. One reason the PAC 12 died is because a decent portion of their games had kickoff times of 10pm or later on the eastcoast. Even if Oregon just had a couple games this late, it is enough to keep them from the top 10 in viewership. It hurt Pac-12 recruiting too, because players don't want to play at place when half the country is asleep. The SEC has also had the advantage of playing 95 percent of their bowl games (and non-con "neutral site" games) in their own territory. Home field advantage matters! Do you know what the SEC record since 1990 against the PAC-12 was when they had the guts to travel out west? 8-11, and most of their wins came against Arizona schools. Scheduling and location matter, and it is backed into the cupcake, that is the SEC/NCAA lovefest. Do you think it is fair that the SEC is the only conference that gets to play late November FCS games? While other conferences are playing meaningful conference matchups, the SEC is taking a bye week, and getting their teams an undeserving 6th win to get them into a home bowl game so that the next preseason poll has them ranked 24th when they shouldn't be ranked at all.
@@menace081quit copying and pasting the same thing. Only fault of the pac 12 start times is their own. PAC 12 died because of poor management. Sorry the west coast doesn’t care about football but how is that anybody else’s fault? Such a horrible take and the fact you wrote that much shows the mental gymnastics you needed to convince yourself it was somebody else’s fault.
I agree with Josh 💯% I love the SEC! When I was in high school I used to look up the USA Today’s Top 25 to tally how many SEC teams were represented. Usually averaging between six and eight. Although I am a Georgia fan, I would get angry if any other conference had more than the SEC. Because I love college football, I would love for conferences to represent their regions and support their schools the same way the SEC does.
Josh got called out and made a whole segment on it. As far as the SEC Bias goes, ask yourself which conference has proven over the last decade to be the strongest?
Of course there is a bias. ESPN owns the media rights to the SEC. They shamelessly promote them. SEC Saturday Night game gets heavily promoted. In programming content is skewed with a heavier balance of the SEC. Anyone that is involved in sports and has aspirations of working with or for ESPN tows the line. ESPN for better or worse is the biggest player in sports and in particular college football. So, yeah it would be pretty disingenuous to not admit this… at the same time, it’s call capitalism and ESPN has a $3 billion dollar investment in the SEC… so, who can blame them
@ yeah, didn’t really cry. Instead just articulated that ESPN spent $3 billion and I don’t blame them for protecting their investment. Do you actually have something interesting to say?
Im an SEC guy and I cant disagree with you. I think it's hard to argue that the SEC is not the best conference. The championships, the rosters, the depth, coaches, and NFL draft pick history speak for themselves. All that said, ESPN clearly has a financial interest in promoting the SEC. Not a secret. I do agree with a guy above that it's mainly a Bama bias, but there is SEC bias included. I say that because the CFB selection show for example was a Bama apologist session- no surprise with Reece Davis (Bama grad), Greg McElroy (Bama QB) and Nick Saban providing 80% of the analysis. Money talks and the SEC brings in lots of it. I totally get the frustration of non SEC fan bases. It would piss me off too if I was not a UGA grad. I think Klatt and FOX BIG10 bias is sickening but that's their cash cow. Money is the root of all evil. Just is.
@ we’re talking about watching college football. So, no, you’ve really haven’t made any argument. Congratulations, for thoughfully demonstrating the power of a degree from the SEC
@@KnEpH131 nah it's actually because they get the prime time slot and for some reason FOX's primetime slot is at 11AM. Josh Pate has talked about it and has to do with this bad deal the SEC comish signed giving FOX first pick at weekly BIG10 games.
🤣🤣🤣 Okay Guess that’s as Good of an EXCUSE as Any 😊 Real Fans of a Team don’t care what Time Their Team is Playing there Dude… They Get Up Early Plus Stay Up Late To Watch Their Team Play The Game!!! It’s Not like these Games are Scheduled on a Work Day 🙈🙄🤣 Not to mention don’t they count as “Being Watched” if they were RECORDED 🤣 Maybe the “Viewership” Was Down Because Nobody Watched The Non-Con Cupcakes like Akron in their First Appearance of this Season 🤔🤷♂️😊 Plus the Actual Conference Games like Northwestern and… Purdue 🙈 Those Games were Not Interesting to Anyone Outside of Dedicated Ohio State Fans!!! Just a thought 😊🤔👍
The SEC bias is because there are A TON of 3 loss teams ranked much higher than they deserve to be ranked. I would argue that Illinois should be ranked higher than Bama. The pre-season SEC bias meant that all the SEC teams were ranked too high to start. That means that all of them continue to benefit from all the incorrect rankings and are now ranked higher they should be, at the end of the season. SEC (and B1G) bias is not going away until you do 3 things. 1) Require all conferences play a 9 game conference schedule (or 8 conference games with an extra power 4 game). 2) Require scheduling equity (or as close as possible) including a requirement that EVERY power 4 team play AT LEAST 1 power 4 non-con game (preferably 2 power 4 non-con games)and ban scheduling any games against FCS opponents. 3) ban preseason ranking. There should not be any team ranking until you have seen at least 4 games (3 non-con and 1 conference).
I get using your audience as a barometer to what they want to hear about. It’s a customer based show that’s how it works and I appreciate you admitting that. The SEC bias (I hate that word) is a bad word for most people in your position. I think where the eye rolling comes in is other commentators spewing it openly every ten seconds and it gets on people like you and you’re forced to defend it yourself a bit. I personally don’t see your SEC bias at all really. I want the Super league where the SEC and the Big Ten play each other almost every week so we can see who is better. I think that will be better for every school involved. Keep it up Josh, longtime fan and Go Buckeyes
Curious that the SEC teams constantly play against teams with better records than them. In bowl games. Probably because the SEC is obviously a superior conference.
I think the bias comes when the sec doesn’t do well and people pretend it didn’t happen, last year everyone would have said the sec is way stronger than acc despite the fact they went 4-6 head to head against the acc
This year, outside of the CFP, there are 4 games where SEC opponents have better records than them, 3 games where they have the same record, and 3 games where they have better records. To say they constantly play teams with better records than them just isn’t true
@@trav6718 So… They are doing what you just did 🤔 Nit-Picking One Piece of the Puzzle and Running with It 😊 What about the ACC vs the SEC This Year??? Think it’s 8 Victories and only 3 Losses to an Obviously Inferior Conference✅ SEC BIAS IS HERE FOR A REASON!!! IT’S THE BEST THERE IS!!! BAR NONE!!! What about the B10 Bias this Committee showed the B10 This Season??? They didn’t even Put the Best SEC Teams In… I mean We all Know Why… They are “B10 Biased” and were under No Circumstances was they gonna Put a SEC Team IN that Would Dominate the Playoffs and the SEC Yet another… NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 😊 And Yes… I Am SEC Biased!!! 🤷♂️👍 Because They Are… THE BEST IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!! They Have The Trophy (S) to Provide Evidence for Everything I’m Sayin!!! 🏈🏆👍
@@trav6718yall repeat this and don’t look into it . 5losses came to teams that weren’t bowl eligible 😂yall want props for beating non bowl eligible sec teams but then when u go agaisnt the ones that are you have a losing record. last year the 10th best sec team beat a team in the acc championship . this year sec champ beat acc champ by 30+ the 6th best sec team beat acc champ. show us examples of that in recent years
Texas A&M scheduled Notre Dame Georgia scheduled Clemson LSU scheduled USC. LR wanted it canceled. Texas scheduled Michigan Arkansas scheduled Oklahoma State Florida scheduled Miami Alabama scheduled Wisconsin Ole Miss scheduled Wake Forest everyone in the SEC that doesn’t already have a P5 OOC scheduled as a rivalry game has to schedule a OOC P5 game. 2025: Alabama plays @ FSU LSU plays Clemson Texas A&M plays @ Notre Dame Arkansas plays Notre Dame Texas plays @ Ohio State Oklahoma plays Michigan Mississippi State plays Arizona State Tennessee plays Syracuse Auburn plays @ Baylor Missouri plays Kansas South Carolina plays Virginia Tech Vanderbilt plays @ Virginia Tech Ole Miss plays Washington State Florida plays @ Miami what do you want them to do? schedule Ohio State Oregon and Clemson for every OOC game while they keep their rivalry game? it can’t work like that if Ohio State Oregon and Clemson don’t agree on it. so stop yapping nonsense. every conference is under .500 for OOC games except the SEC. do research.
SEC isn't a better top to bottom. It's a top-heavy conference that is geographically located in the area for which football is most popular. I will never argue against the popularity of the SEC, which by in far is the case
It is less top heavy than any other conference with way more national championship winning teams than any other conference. Georgia, Bama, lsu, auburn, Florida, Tennessee all within the last 30 years. Name 6 national championship winning teams from the big 10, or acc, or pac 12, or big 12 in the past 30 years. He'll name 6 from all those conferences combined the past 30 years?! Clemson Michigan Ohio state texas...? Who else.
@BB-ce5ev Anything before the 4 team playoff was a popularity contest. In the 4 team format not only did it prove a 3 or even 4 ranked team could win a championship if given the chance, the SEC though dominate has been Alabama, Georgia, and LSU that one time
I would like to hear your thoughts on anchor bias. To clarify, when preseason rankings come out, they are mostly based on prior performance and not the makeup of the team at the time. With the protal, most voters don't do enough homework to know how to vote in the preseason. As the season goes on, they struggle to move away from their preseason picksbecause they don't like to be wrong, so a team that doesn't look like a good team slowly moves down in the rankings, instead of quickly moving to where they should be.
College football has teetered on the edge of total SEC dominance for roughly 20 years now. There were a couple programs, Ohio State, Clemson, FSU etc....that were able to sneak in a win titles but by and large the SEC dominance in non conference and bowl games was jarring. I think the only thing standing in their way was the fact the B1G was big enough and rich enough to build a conference that can almost rival it. It's like Coke and Pepsi....one is clearly larger but the other is just big enough to keep it interesting. The Big 12 and ACC are just holding on hoping to keep seats at the table.
The SEC never plays games outside of their territory, bowl game or even neutral site non con games, all are played in their territory. The SEC was 8-11 when it had to travel out west to play the PAC-12, with most wins coming against Arizona schools. Scheduling times and location matter, and the NCAA let the SEC take every advantage.
How so? He literally just went round and round to confirm that his childhood paints his bias. The reality is when the SEC doesn’t get treated above others that there is an issue. The conference was not head and shoulders above anyone this year and the whining for more teams from it being in the playoff is misguided.
Baked in advantages. One reason the PAC 12 died is because a decent portion of their games had kickoff times of 10pm or later on the eastcoast. Even if Oregon just had a couple games this late, it is enough to keep them from the top 10 in viewership. It hurt Pac-12 recruiting too, because players don't want to play at place when half the country is asleep. The SEC has also had the advantage of playing 95 percent of their bowl games (and non-con "neutral site" games) in their own territory. Home field advantage matters! Do you know what the SEC record since 1990 against the PAC-12 was when they had the guts to travel out west? 8-11, and most of their wins came against Arizona schools. Scheduling and location matter, and it is backed into the cupcake, that is the SEC/NCAA lovefest. Do you think it is fair that the SEC is the only conference that gets to play late November FCS games? While other conferences are playing meaningful conference matchups, the SEC is taking a bye week, and getting their teams an undeserving 6th win to get them into a home bowl game so that the next preseason poll has them ranked 24th when they shouldn't be ranked at all.
The big 10 will win the title this year. Again. Therefore, big 10 should automatically get oregon, osu, Penn state, Michigan and Washington next year into the playoffs, regardless of record. They earned it.
SEC has the lowest gpa for any division i conference. So I do not think there is any bias, outside of the players that go pro the others graduate hopefully with a worthless degree in some absurd major, like sports and recreation.
Why does it exist? 1. Starts way back when the championship was just picked by the final rank. A hand full of teams (SEC heavy) just decided who the champ was. Guys wanted the opportunity to be on a championship team. The best talent went to the well funded South because they knew the politics were in the favor of those teams. 2. Then the best 2 teams (decided by the handful of the big boys). Money started coming into colleges with the best viewership from networks. The best talent went were they knew they had a chance ( based on the profitability of viewership) The vast majority of colleges were never going to ever have a chance regardless of their team. Teams ,knowing they had no chance, hung their hats on bowl games. That's why bowls mattered. 3. People wanted it to appear more like true a championship, not just a pageant show from the big boys. Investors wanted to satisfy the money. 4.The big market schools have decades of stacking talent through the lopsided years and the reputation. There was never going to be a fair shake to the smaller markets. They don't get to learn by playing the big guys regularly ( iron sharpens iron) and investors would never let it happen. 5. Fast forward to today, transfer portal , NIL have started disassembling and reconfiguring the market system. 6. People wanted a truer championship, so the play off has arrived. The format was driven so these generational trapped school could get their shot. So that they can learn, recruit etc. 5. Better talent can now go to these smaller markets because they have a chance at the playoff and rich alumni can drive things rather than networks. 6. The big boys are still whining because they can't keep the smaller market schools from enjoying some of the post season pie. Elitism created by the old market system. 7. Give these smaller market schools time in this playoff system and many of them will catch up.
Perhaps. That would certainly make the CFB season more entertaining for all fans. RE: #1 & #2 Have to disagree. Pre-CFP required excellence. Rarely (like once I believe) were there 3 undefeated teams. Media/computer driven by 'you are what your record says you are' chose the teams. The result-the BCS worked every year. It guaranteed #1 played #2 for the championship, no split titles.
@@RoadTo19 "the BCS worked every year" What drugs did you take? Undefeated teams left out of the championship: 1998 Tulane, 1999 Marshall, 2003 Miami Ohio, 2004 Boise State, 2004 Utah, 2004 Auburn, 2006 Boise State, 2007 Hawaii, 2008 Utah, 2008 Boise State, 2009 Boise State, 2009 TCU, 2009 Cincinnati, 2010 TCU, 2012 Ohio State 2000 - Miami literally beat FSU during the season, but FSU made the title game over them. 2001 - Colorado destroyed nebraska for the B12 title, but Nebraska still made it over them and the PAC champ Oregon. 2003 - Kstate demolished Oklahoma for the B12 title, but somehow OU made it over them and #1 ranked USC 2004 - 5 teams went undefeated 2006 - #1 Ohio State beat #2 Michigan by 3. Computer polls kept Michigan as #2, Human polls put Florida as #2. 2007 - 7 of the top 8 teams had the same record - no undefeated team made a title game this season 2008 - The B12 and PAC had 3 way ties for first in their conference. Also neither undefeated team actually made the title game this season. 2009 - 5 teams went undefeated 2011 - #1 LSU beat #2 Alabama by 3. Human polls decided to complete contradict themselves from 2006 whereby "two teams from same conference shouldnt play for a title game" and still selected Alabama to make the game. Sorry bud but you clearly were not watching the BCS era.....
Awesome segment. I'm part of the "I wish everyone would stop giving the SEC the benefit of the doubt crowd." There are a lot of us, and I've noticed on other channels that engagement increases when this debate comes up. I think people have come to dislike SEC bias as a whole that the SEC takes on a Patriots, Cowboys, Yankees (insert successful franchise you love to hate, status. It makes for great content and debate. I mean, I truly believe that conferences are closer than the media wants to admit. I acknowledge a recruiting advantage in that highly rated recruits tend to go to SEC schools, but collectively, I think non-SEC schools match up pretty well head-to-head. Im excited for this playoff for that reason, I can't wait to see what happens. Thanks for the segment.
The past 20 years of bowl games and regular season match ups show the sec typically wins. They send more people to the nfl which is part of why it's different.
So 7 teams in the top 25, almost 8. Can you name another Confrence that comes close this year. Great teams that beat each other up. Big 10 had 3 good teams, ACC 2, Big12 2.
There are 5 Big Ten teams in the top 25. There are four Big Ten teams in the top 10, one more than the SEC has. You're just showing exactly what SEC bias looks like.
As a lifelong Pac12 fan on the west coast. If a team wants relevance in the CF world you have to win and the SEC has earned that. My issue is the media and not being neutral. Case in point was the Penn State vs Oregon game in the Big10 championship. The announcers lacked knowledge about Oregon as well as trumping up more Penn State love. As a Duck fan that was a unfair representation of announcing. Even social media was blowing up from Oregon fans complaining. There is a bias against western teams. You also need to acknowledge that people on the east coast and likely the Midwest don’t care a lick about west coast football. They are in bed with the lights turned off. Your TV watchers are accurate with a reason. My TV is on at 6am and is on all day on Saturdays until Pac 12 after Dark was played. That in my opinion is why your SEC TV viewing is at its highest. You have the nations eyes on it. Personally it is what it is regarding viewership.
Yep, the should never have USC, UCLA, Oregon, or Washington play past 8pm on the eastcoast. It hurts westcoast recruiting. Have the SEC teams play earlier, if their fans are loyal, they will watch an 11am game.
Born and raised in the South . Hate the SEC . The conference isn’t that deep , it runs 5 deep for real, and has the large media machine of ESPN behind them . ESPN has more skin in the game on their investment / contract with the SEC more than any other conference .
I've said on here I'm an ASU guy and I am. Watched the Pac-10/12 since I was a kid in the 80s and what I can say is this year, I watched more SEC games than I did Big 12 games and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think when it's said there is SEC bias I think it's more Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M bias and maybe occasionally Ole Miss. Those teams have been competing for national championships or in the case of Texas A&M with Johnny Football then Jimbo, just an entertaining program. No one really talks that much about Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and even though Missouri, South Carolina and Mississippi State have played some really good football over the last 12-13 years, they still don't get talked about much. SEC just has a lot of good football players so there's going to be bias in covering because as much as people complain they gravitate towards the talent. The Big Ten has loyal fans but nationally outside of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn St, Wisconsin for a few years, the rest of the football conference has been mostly forgettable in terms of just nationwide interest. Pac-12 was such a mess organizationally, and with a lot of late games, often hurt itself despite it being arguably the most entertaining conference outside of the SEC. ACC was basically FSU or Clemson so there was just no drama there. SEC had the Alabama behemoth and seeing if anyone could challenge Saban created a lot of drama people were interested in. I do think there is bias towards coverage and a little bit of overrating the SEC this year. I think they are still the best conference but it's not as vast but overall SEC just has more big teams in their conference, more overall talent, and in terms of realignment, didn't really lose any of it's historical big regional rivalry games and managed to bring back Texas-Texas A&M. The old Big 8/12, SWC, Pac-12, others just couldn't sustain so there is going to be, and should be more SEC coverage.
This all comes back to Greg Sankey going for the money bringing in Texas and Oklahoma. The SEC will inevitably have a 3 loss team every year. Just too much competition in the league. Look at recruiting rankings and see where all the best players are going. Will see how this effects scheduling in the future and which school will notice and want to leave the league. I see an "A and B" football playoff in the future.
Look at the SOS for teams in the SEC and then look at the other conferences, a total joke! Georgia 2, Bama 16. Indiana 108, SMU 80. I know 3 good SEC teams did not get in, but let them play a 108 schedule and Penn St, Indiana and SMU 13. Look Clemson, the ACC chap got destroyed by Georgia and lost at home to Clemson, and they are a great team. Get real.
@@mnshws12 I don't think the FCS games get factored into SOS. Also, every SEC team is overrated, and when overrated teams play other overrated teams, then SOS is skewed.
I think this is spot on. My big issues with the SEC are A)they get the benefit of the doubt, always, and B) the deck is stacked in the SECs favor most of the time. A perfect example of B is the structural bias baked into the sport. The fact that the supposed #1 seed Oregon, assuming all teams with the best odds advance, would face Texas in Dallas and the final is in Atlanta, where Oregon is expected to meet Georgia for the title, this despite Oregon being the higher seed they essentially are playing road games. In other words, the sport is set up to enable the rich to get richer.
Like Penn St, ND, Clempson, Michigan, FSU, etc. So many TEAMS in CFB get "the benefit of doubt." Yet people won't admit that it's TEAMS that get this treatment, not conferences.
I don’t know why people are shocked about Kentucky being in top 10. there are 0 pro sports to watch in the state, the pro teams around the state all have losing records except the Colts. this was the most talented team they’ve ever had under Stoops, there was high expectations since many of the SEC opponents had vulnerable/down seasons. (Florida, Auburn, Georgia) and they completely failed. so viewership will definitely decline massively next year as the AD signed a ludicrous contract extension that the boosters can’t buyout because it’s all towards basketball.
16 of the last 24 national titles won by current SEC teams, 67 current NFL players from the University of Alabama, SEC bias sure, Bama bias of course....
@@TheGoodTherapist Didn't an SEC team win 2 of the last 3 national championships? And that SEC team beat the best B1G team in the semis both times to do it. lmao
@@MrBlarginFlarg top to bottom Big Ten better last few years. The argument is stop rewarding teams for past performances and years. There should never be the benefit of the doubt.
I think the “bias” is what you talk about with your coverage. The market is bigger for the SEC, better business to cover it, and better business to inflate the games. Makes sense. I think where people get frustrated with Josh is that every show does this, and his show didn’t used to be like this. It’s a saturated market with SEC coverage.
The SEC is weak. Remember you lost last year to the big ten. Oregon is undefeated in the big ten. So based off that and the fact you wanted a 9-3 Alabama in the playoffs I would say their record would be pretty good
A couple of suggestions, Josh. 1) Turn the helmets behind you, so viewers can see what the team is. 2) You should do an end of season award show. Best coach, Best Defensive player, Best Offensive player, Most Impactful Freshman, etc. I think After a few cycles of this, people would really look forward to see the unveiling. You could also start each season with a watchlist to add life to the process and generate interest.
@@mnshws12 look I’m not gonna complain about being left out cause we did lose to Alabama, but do you truly we think we weren’t one of the four best teams last year? Throw out deserve because as the committee stated they wanted to put in the four BEST teams
The problem is the pac12 was better than the majority of football but disrespected. They had the opportunity to get Texas and Oklahoma but apparently it didn't work out
If you are a 3 star recruit or higher you are guaranteed a scholarship at some school. Get the education you want first, and if and only if you want to get to the NFL pick your school based on what position you want to play. For example WR go to Ohio State. For Linebacker go to teams who year after year are known for their defense, and so forth. I really don't care which conference is best, pick the school that is best for you and your future plans, whether in sports or in a career.
There absolutely is SEC bias. However they did this to themselves and now trying to move the goalpost to their favor. If the conferences were the way they were 3 years ago, Bama is in.
The SEC and Big Ten are the only conferences that can afford to compete. There’s a few teams in the other conferences that have Big Brand Names that are being left behind. That’s my beef with today’s college football.
Well the sec is the toughest conference. Take the top 10 sec teams and randomly rank them against the REST of the top 10 teams throughout ALL the other conferences combined. Uga vs oregon, tenn vs osu, bama vs Penn state etc. See how it all plays out and you see why the sec is as big as it is. No other conference can say this or do this and survive
If anything the media has a B1G bias. I would love if Josh Pate was the commissioner of NCAAF. I would love to see the old traditional conferences return. Of course, I'm an old guy, and what I want doesn't matter.
Enjoy the history, SEC. That "under-the-table payout" method you used to get some of the best talent? Gone. Every major college (and many a lot RICHER than SEC schools) has the ability to pay players. Whole new world in College Football now. The transfer portal has made it impossible to stockpile 5 & 4 star recruits. You don't play them? They leave. And this won't just benefit a few schools. There are now 20+ teams with the ability to put a championship team on the field. College Football has NEVER been more exciting!!
All favoritism of one form or another simply follows the power of money. Any sycophant proclaiming some other issue, say "depth of assistant coaches" or some such, is simply lying. Nothing less.
They way pate describes what does numbers for his show is more indicative of the sport as a whole. Bias, even if earned, is good for business and perpetuating it is beneficial
hell yeah sec bias is real because the media goes out of their way to propagate that the entire sec is dominate just because of alabama and georgia. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the conference is mid or slightly above mid
Wish college football would turn their non conference schedule into what college basketball already does and each week could be one conference against another from the top down. SEC v Big 12, ACC v Big 10, your best team against ours and down the list. Then switch it up the next week.
There isn’t bias, the sec is the best conference and the best teams. Point blank period. They get treated as such. Don’t like it ? Beat more sec teams lmao
Even if there is bias, it doesn't mean the SEC isn't the best. The people who argue "SEC Bias; therefore, SEC is not clearly the best" are literally proposing a fallacious argument.
@@MBarberfan4life IMO the problem with "SEC Bias" -- isn't an argument that the SEC isn't overall the best conference; There are many good teams in the conference. But VANDY isn't one, and the bias problem is, when Alabama loses to Vandy -- it isn't a testament to the "depth" of the SEC as a majority of the media spins it to be. It's a good team shitting the bed. Just like OSU losing to Purdue is a good team shitting the bed. The bias for the SEC is 100% in the media spin for when SEC teams shit the bed. To that point: Bama can lose to Georgia, Texas, LSU --- and no one would say they're bad for it -- because those are ALSO good teams. Just like PSU can lose to OSU and Oregon and not be called bad for it. *The bias is, you only think one of those is true and it's not.*
Of the past 18 championships the SEC has competed in 16, won 13 of those, and did so with 5 different teams. Until that trend seems to change, which as Josh pointed out looking at the recruiting classes, it's not looking good for other conferences other than the B1G, the SEC is by far the most brutally dominant conference, and has been for 2 decades. And they're showing signs of becoming a powerhouse in basketball too. Hard to be biased in that reality.
Let's fix college football. Division 1 - 64 teams. Division 2 - 64 teams. Division 3 - 64 teams. Division 4 - 64 teams. Each division is divided into 4 balanced conferences of 16 teams. West Coast, East Coast, Southern, Midwest. 16 team playoff. Each quadrant is the top 4 teams from each of the 4 conferences. The final 4 ends up being the 4 conference champions. The top 4 teams and bottom 4 teams of each division promote and relegate at the end of each season.
Lol yet all the media talks about is how unfair Bama being left out is. The shocking part is the committee actually did something right but people are SEC bias
@@frankhavener thats the thing about having 12 slots. There's lots of teams that are going to get a shot that you don't think "deserved" it. I watched bama drop games that they have no business dropping this year. If the ACC championship went different bama would have been the 3 loss team in I'm not upset we didn't make it. Watching SMU get butt blasted isn't gonna be very entertaining though, oh well!
SEC is the best conference in cfb. But in general I don’t think any 2 loss P4 team should be ranked above a 3 loss SEC team (again IN GENERAL) but also in general any 2 loss SEC team should be ranked above any other 2 loss team
With the viewership thing my argument would be timeslots. All those top 10 teams are typically prime time games. I’m a colorado fan (yes before deion I suffered for a long time) and we had maybe 2 or 3 prime time games then a bunch of morning and early afternoon games i think we would’ve been top 10 with 6-8 primetime games, and could possibly be the same for other programs.
It seems like SEC promotes the SEC where as the Big Ten promotes the individual schools. Maybe it is the schools themselves in the SEC promoting SEC and the schools in the Big Ten promote their individual school.
The reason those teams are the most watched is thst that what the networks put on TV. I you like football, you're gonna watch. That doesn't mean that that's what people want to watch.
I would also add Josh if they don’t like it they need to start paying into their particular Teems collective to make them better so that they can be a better product than what the SEC is Dohling out
SEC has been super strong and I couldn't stand it but it was true. This year, not so much because of NIL and the transfer portal. Depth is not there this year like past years. It's starting to show. More teams can beat the typical powerhouses this year.
The SEC bias is the most logical way of doing it, but that is based purely on TV viewers. TV viewers is alumni, but mostly bandwagon and general cfb fans. There is a large untapped population out there, and you are based purely on hit subscribe and viewers. Individual donors or watchers don't matter. In order to broaden the audience, I might also look at enrollment and alumni population. Their team may suck, but if they have a big rival game, be interesting to hear about it. AZ state has the largest enrollment, they should get a bigger block of time now. I would dedicate a quarter of a show to AZ state before their playoff game. I might talk about Scott Frost going to UCF, another large enrollment, untapped market. Rutgers K-State, Rutgers has a large enrollment, NYC needs a college team to root for. Huge population base. The thing is the most of the population that support those teams have tuned you out because of the SEC bias. You said yourself you want CFB to hit all 4 corners and the heartland. It starts with generating interest there, cliche build it and they will come. I'd also add that there is a lot of 50's plus cfb fans, that are die hard fans, that grew up watching Nebraska and the veer, Washington was a great team, iowa wiht Hayden Fry, FSU, colorado with McCartney back in the day. They want those teams to be good again and want to be fans, but it starts with generating interest. Otherwise, those teams will never come back, and the 18 year old recruits never knew that teams history. In the end, SEC bias in coverage only builds more SEC bias, and doesn't promote the four corners or the heartland. Do what's right, and let the chips fall where they may. One final thought, you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
Yes (not you in particular but in general the way things are run around college ball) , the preseason rankings always seem to show a huge amount of SEC teams and maybe 4-5 are still ranked at the end of the year which artificially inflates their SOS, because once your start looking through records a huge chunk of the teams are meh to bad that they are playing, but that inflated rankings makes it look like they are the greatest since their in conference opponents always seem to get a higher than deserved ranking. Yet come bowl time they are usually at best .500 against teams stronger than Mercer. Super conferences are killing College football slowly but surely. Nobody should be ranked till week 6 ish.
TV ratings are a product of what networks choose to highlight. That stat is the exact definition of SEC bias. Notice how none of the top 10 are west coast teams. Also notice that mass majority are eastern time zone. This also has a feedback loop. Do recruits want to play games in front of the largest audience?
SEC is the best conference, and it all stems from their TV partner boosting their brand. ESPN saw a money making machine and pushed it forward, while letting their other conference partner lag behind and fall by the wayside. Fox has done the same thing with the Big 10 but not as successfully. The BIG 12 was left with scraps, while the PAC 12 crumbled, and the BIG 10 flourished. It's no more P4 its the P2 and all the teams who didn't make it in or missed their opportunity will suffer and die.
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You do not understand how some things are baked in advantages. The reason the PAC 12 died is because a decent portion of their games had kickoff times of 10pm or later on the eastcoast. Even if Oregon just had a couple games this late, it is enough to keep them from the top 10 in viewership. It hurt Pac-12 recruiting too, because players don't want to play at place when half the country is asleep. The SEC has also had the advantage of playing 95 percent of their bowl games (and non-con "neutral site" games) in their own territory. Home field advantage matters! Do you know what the SEC record since 1990 against the PAC-12 was when they had the guts to travel out west? 8-11, and most of their wins came against Arizona schools. Scheduling and location matter, and it is backed into the cupcake, that is the SEC/NCAA lovefest. Do you think it is fair that the SEC is the only conference that gets to play late November FCS games? While other conferences are playing meaningful conference matchups, the SEC is taking a bye week, and getting their teams an undeserving 6th win to get them into a home bowl game so that the next preseason poll has them ranked 24th when they shouldn't be ranked at all.
People always talk about how the sec is the most drafted of the players which is true but a lot of those sec players in the nfl end up having a failing career most of the best nfl players who have long and successful careers come from a different conference I mean that’s just the truth look at all the top QBs in the nfl right now they all come from different conferences lmao the ones who last long in the nfl look at the running back yeah it’s a few sec but swift is garbage Derrick Henry is just a special kind he’s sec but Christian is from Stanford look at Josh Allen played for Wyoming pay played for tech baker played for ou when it was big 12 some of them played for Oregon I mean it’s more successful nfl players not from the sec that’s the truth 😂
The thing with the SEC has always been that because its strength is both real and deep, and they all play each other, it's HARD for any team to emerge unscathed from its conference schedule. That's actually been rather rare, as opposed to other conferences dominated by 1 or, at most, 2 powerful schools and everybody else in their conference is struggling even to reach a "Walmart Participation Trophy" bowl game, but the perennial top teams in those conferences were mostly beating up on their much-weaker conference members, and their non-conference games were against even weaker opponents. So how impressed is anybody supposed to be if, say, Ohio State goes 12-0 (or even 11-1 after losing to Michigan, even 2024 pathetic Michigan). Where is their strength of schedule? OTOH, in the SEC, where every school is only ranked lower than objectively inferior (or at least, untested-against-serious-opposition) teams in other conferences with fewer losses, you shouldn't expect, except in extraordinary circumstances such as the 2019 LSU team, to have an undefeated season given the quality of the opposition. So yeah, SEC bias is and should be a thing. The rest of college football can either put up or shut up.
This year, and this will probably be the norm going forward, the transfer portal and NIL have somewhat brought most SEC teams down to a common denominator, as opposed to it being Bama vs. occasional freak shows like 2019. So it's more likely than ever that the best SEC teams will NOT have perfect seasons, but all will be quite competitive. with each other. As opposed to the anointed and (yawn) ONLY teams to make it through their "Big 10" (separate air quotes here) "schedule". unblemished or given the benefit of the doubt, or made it to the playoffs because of the utterly insane format it currently has. Just copy the FBS system, (other than expanding it to 20 teams, which is in NOBODY's interest at this level) . Given no seeding weight to conference championship wins, eliminate those games entirely, give no guaranteed spot to a "group of 5" team, and just seed everybody per some aggregation of polls. Teams 1-12 in the playofff, and their playoff seeding, is how they actually rank.
Of course, I, working the airport ramp o Baton Rouge, and being raised in the now-defunct SWC, hope nothing but pain and frustration on the SEC in general and LSU in particular because the worse they do, the easier my life is. I'm doing whatever voodoo I can to curse LSU. But that said, ain't nobody from elsewhere that can claim SEC bias when they don't have to play ranked teams nearly every time, and that's just the regular conference schedule.
This is a very level headed conversation, and I appreciate your version of the SEC bias, rarely do you put down other conferences. Strangely, ESPN regularly does this, and I think it hurts their own product
They did just spend $3 billion on getting the rights to cover SEC games, so it's very understandable. When the #1 place for sports news also broadcasts a ton of games across many different sports, they'll do anything to try and hype up their product.
National Titles since 1994:
SEC - 16
SEC minus Bama - 10
Big 8/12 - 4
ACC - 5
Big 10 - 4
PAC 10/12 - 1
Transfer portal and NIL are adding parity now but the perceived SEC bias of the last 15 years is a side effect of reality.
USC won back to back championships
Hard to argue against facts.
@@ericpatterson1790 The 2005 championship was vacated due to recruiting violations. USC lost to TX in 2006. They won ZERO championships.
@@ericpatterson1790Wasn't 1 shared or something like that? Gotta love the good ole BCS..lol
And don’t forget since the playoffs started and before conference realignment you had 2 SEC teams in the championship and it was never that for any other conference.
Get rid of preseason rankings
move bowl games at the beginning of the year to determine who should be ranked
Shouldn’t have a poll till after the fourth week, by that point you should have an idea of who should be ranked where.
Getting rid of preseason rankings would go a long way to even the playing field as it relates to bias.
CFP doesn't come out until week 6 or 7?
Agreed!!! Pre season polls are based on almost no objective information especially today with the transfer portal! SEC is heavy favorites every year in pre season
I see more Alabama bias than I see overall SEC bias.
FACTS
I really don't think it's a problem when they put SMU over them in the playoff
Absolute truth. Been saying that for years.
@@kam_203 that only happened because the committee had already stated they wouldn't hold losing the conf championship game against the loser. Had they not made that statement BEFORE the championships, I guarantee Bama would've gotten in.
@@LeeH-c8gso I’ll ask you the same question I ask others, what year has bama got in based on bias that they didn’t deserve?
The sec literally earned it, I mean that’s all folks
Yes, there is bias.
That doesn't mean that certain SEC teams can't be good. Two things can be true.
For example, Kirby Smart says, “It's harder to play on the road in the SEC.” Dude, Texas isn't any louder than it was in the Big 12 last season.
This stuff gets baked in, and a team doesn't fall as far when they take a loss when they otherwise would.
UGA fell from 2 to 13 after a road loss to a top ten at the time Ole Miss.
Ohio State lost at home to a depleted, unranked 5 loss Michigan. They fell from 2 to 6.
You were saying?
Both UT and bama hold over 100k. So the big 12 had 2 stadiums like this where the sec is mostly like this except a handful. You have 3 in the big 10. And you can bet sec schools would expand if they could lol
Everything is cyclical in 2000 the national title hopes ran theough texas, OU, K State in the big 12
There was a lot of parity in the SEC this year. If this continues it may be very difficult to get more than two or three teams in the CFP in the future. The CFP committee is all about win/loss record.
The NFL has SEC bias then. At the end of the day, from pop warner on, the best football talent is in “SEC areas”.
And over half of them fail in the NFL
@@MrPrime39773 Exactly why the SEC has 12 starting QBs in the NFL out of 32 teams...
@andrewmcilroy901 they garbage except cincy qb
@MrPrime39773 still NFL has more SEC players than any conference. How do you feel about that? And this has been going on for a long time.
@sethmartin7084 SEC is overrated. How do you feel about that? A bunch of cry babies. NIL has even the playing field and yall can't stand it.
It's not a binary choice, SEC bias has degrees to it. At the lower end there's the reality of the talent distribution that puts the SEC as the most talented conference. In the mainstream there's the view that Vanderbilt is a better team than Indiana and on the upper end there's the view that Oregon would come in last in the SEC.
considering Indiana’s best win is 7-5 Michigan, Vanderbilt’s best win is 9-3 Alabama. both Michigan and Alabama play each other in a useless bowl game.
@@GoatedAtNFS You are who you beat? So Northern Illinois is better than Notre Dame?
@GoatedAtNFS Glad you brought this up. Pates explanation was historically the SEC has been dominant. Take Michigan for example they won all title last year. Does that mean they are top10 this year? The SEC is down this year and nobody is calling it out. Their mid their teams are not good. Auburn lost to Cal, Arkansas lost to Okie ect. To pretend Vandy and Oklahoma are good just because Bama took a dive is definitely biased and unwarranted.
@@GoatedAtNFSeh, I don’t like that way of thinking. Michigan beat Ohio State, so Indiana’s win over Michigan is good now? Vandy also loss to Georgia St and lost 6 games.
you’re exaggerating. i think people believe Indiana, Penn State, SMU, ND, and Boise State would have more than 1 loss if they played a SEC schedule and Alabama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina would have less than 3 losses if they played any other schedule
The bias is so heavy that yall dont even realize what bias is 😅
CFB needs a one year cross pollination season. Let’s take the 3rd or 4th best team from the SEC and Big 10 and flip their schedule. Each team-for this one season- competes in the other conference standings. It would be interesting.
I'm a Drone New Jerseyan and became SEC Bias when my son attended Arkansas in 2003.
Get those damn drones under control over there 😂
SEC bias is like having a LeBron or Jordan bias. It's not like the media bias made them great. They are/were great because they were the best. The greatness precedes the bias, not the other way around.
this is perfect.
lol, uh no. The sec is not LeBron or Jordan. If you make that comparison to Alabama, sure. But let’s not forget Georgia Tech had more national titles before Georgia was suddenly good the last 5 years
@@Mmmmmk247they weren’t suddenly good the last 5 years. Smarts only truly “bad” year was 2016. He went 8-5 then went to the National championship beating Oklahoma and won the SEC Championship. Put respect on Georgias name bro
Baked in advantages. One reason the PAC 12 died is because a decent portion of their games had kickoff times of 10pm or later on the eastcoast. Even if Oregon just had a couple games this late, it is enough to keep them from the top 10 in viewership. It hurt Pac-12 recruiting too, because players don't want to play at place when half the country is asleep. The SEC has also had the advantage of playing 95 percent of their bowl games (and non-con "neutral site" games) in their own territory. Home field advantage matters! Do you know what the SEC record since 1990 against the PAC-12 was when they had the guts to travel out west? 8-11, and most of their wins came against Arizona schools. Scheduling and location matter, and it is backed into the cupcake, that is the SEC/NCAA lovefest. Do you think it is fair that the SEC is the only conference that gets to play late November FCS games? While other conferences are playing meaningful conference matchups, the SEC is taking a bye week, and getting their teams an undeserving 6th win to get them into a home bowl game so that the next preseason poll has them ranked 24th when they shouldn't be ranked at all.
@@menace081quit copying and pasting the same thing. Only fault of the pac 12 start times is their own. PAC 12 died because of poor management. Sorry the west coast doesn’t care about football but how is that anybody else’s fault? Such a horrible take and the fact you wrote that much shows the mental gymnastics you needed to convince yourself it was somebody else’s fault.
I agree with Josh 💯%
I love the SEC! When I was in high school I used to look up the USA Today’s Top 25 to tally how many SEC teams were represented. Usually averaging between six and eight. Although I am a Georgia fan, I would get angry if any other conference had more than the SEC.
Because I love college football, I would love for conferences to represent their regions and support their schools the same way the SEC does.
I don’t think other fans understand what it means to live the game.
Josh got called out and made a whole segment on it. As far as the SEC Bias goes, ask yourself which conference has proven over the last decade to be the strongest?
ACC conference is based in the southeast.. Majority of the ACC schools are located in the southeast
Maybe not from committee, but I think it’s obviously true from ESPN. I mean they are incentivized to be biased
They love the weak ass B1G this year
Just like the "weak" B1G last year?
Oh, wait!!!
Of course there is a bias. ESPN owns the media rights to the SEC. They shamelessly promote them. SEC Saturday Night game gets heavily promoted. In programming content is skewed with a heavier balance of the SEC. Anyone that is involved in sports and has aspirations of working with or for ESPN tows the line. ESPN for better or worse is the biggest player in sports and in particular college football. So, yeah it would be pretty disingenuous to not admit this… at the same time, it’s call capitalism and ESPN has a $3 billion dollar investment in the SEC… so, who can blame them
You done crying yet
@ yeah, didn’t really cry. Instead just articulated that ESPN spent $3 billion and I don’t blame them for protecting their investment. Do you actually have something interesting to say?
Im an SEC guy and I cant disagree with you. I think it's hard to argue that the SEC is not the best conference. The championships, the rosters, the depth, coaches, and NFL draft pick history speak for themselves. All that said, ESPN clearly has a financial interest in promoting the SEC. Not a secret. I do agree with a guy above that it's mainly a Bama bias, but there is SEC bias included. I say that because the CFB selection show for example was a Bama apologist session- no surprise with Reece Davis (Bama grad), Greg McElroy (Bama QB) and Nick Saban providing 80% of the analysis. Money talks and the SEC brings in lots of it. I totally get the frustration of non SEC fan bases. It would piss me off too if I was not a UGA grad. I think Klatt and FOX BIG10 bias is sickening but that's their cash cow. Money is the root of all evil. Just is.
@@campbellcampbell9059you like numbers? Sweet. The NFL is over 60% SEC players.
We’re done here. Move along.
@ we’re talking about watching college football. So, no, you’ve really haven’t made any argument. Congratulations, for thoughfully demonstrating the power of a degree from the SEC
OSU viewership is down because damn near every game was early slot
It's down because OcryO State sucks.
@@KnEpH131 nah it's actually because they get the prime time slot and for some reason FOX's primetime slot is at 11AM. Josh Pate has talked about it and has to do with this bad deal the SEC comish signed giving FOX first pick at weekly BIG10 games.
@@malikjones2193 and The OcryO State sucks. :P LOL
@@malikjones2193 its not prime time for viewership in college football for any team
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Okay
Guess that’s as Good of an EXCUSE as Any 😊
Real Fans of a Team don’t care what Time Their Team is Playing there Dude…
They Get Up Early
Plus Stay Up Late
To Watch Their Team Play The Game!!!
It’s Not like these Games are Scheduled on a Work Day 🙈🙄🤣
Not to mention don’t they count as “Being Watched” if they were RECORDED 🤣
Maybe the “Viewership”
Was Down Because Nobody Watched The Non-Con Cupcakes like Akron in their First Appearance of this Season 🤔🤷♂️😊
Plus the Actual Conference Games like Northwestern and…
Purdue 🙈
Those Games were Not Interesting to Anyone Outside of Dedicated Ohio State Fans!!!
Just a thought 😊🤔👍
The SEC bias is because there are A TON of 3 loss teams ranked much higher than they deserve to be ranked. I would argue that Illinois should be ranked higher than Bama. The pre-season SEC bias meant that all the SEC teams were ranked too high to start. That means that all of them continue to benefit from all the incorrect rankings and are now ranked higher they should be, at the end of the season.
SEC (and B1G) bias is not going away until you do 3 things. 1) Require all conferences play a 9 game conference schedule (or 8 conference games with an extra power 4 game). 2) Require scheduling equity (or as close as possible) including a requirement that EVERY power 4 team play AT LEAST 1 power 4 non-con game (preferably 2 power 4 non-con games)and ban scheduling any games against FCS opponents. 3) ban preseason ranking. There should not be any team ranking until you have seen at least 4 games (3 non-con and 1 conference).
I get using your audience as a barometer to what they want to hear about. It’s a customer based show that’s how it works and I appreciate you admitting that. The SEC bias (I hate that word) is a bad word for most people in your position. I think where the eye rolling comes in is other commentators spewing it openly every ten seconds and it gets on people like you and you’re forced to defend it yourself a bit. I personally don’t see your SEC bias at all really. I want the Super league where the SEC and the Big Ten play each other almost every week so we can see who is better. I think that will be better for every school involved. Keep it up Josh, longtime fan and Go Buckeyes
Incredible stuff JP. Logic, Facts, Truth. You summed it up perfectly!
When the Butkus Award Winner is second team... You are in the SEC.
Curious that the SEC teams constantly play against teams with better records than them. In bowl games. Probably because the SEC is obviously a superior conference.
I think the bias comes when the sec doesn’t do well and people pretend it didn’t happen, last year everyone would have said the sec is way stronger than acc despite the fact they went 4-6 head to head against the acc
This year, outside of the CFP, there are 4 games where SEC opponents have better records than them, 3 games where they have the same record, and 3 games where they have better records. To say they constantly play teams with better records than them just isn’t true
@@trav6718
So…
They are doing what you just did 🤔
Nit-Picking One Piece of the Puzzle and Running with It 😊
What about the ACC vs the SEC This Year???
Think it’s 8 Victories and only 3 Losses to an Obviously Inferior Conference✅
SEC BIAS IS HERE FOR A REASON!!!
IT’S THE BEST THERE IS!!!
BAR NONE!!!
What about the B10 Bias this Committee showed the B10 This Season???
They didn’t even Put the Best SEC Teams In…
I mean We all Know Why…
They are “B10 Biased” and were under No Circumstances was they gonna Put a SEC Team IN that Would Dominate the Playoffs and the SEC Yet another…
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 😊
And Yes…
I Am SEC Biased!!! 🤷♂️👍
Because They Are…
THE BEST IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!
They Have The Trophy (S) to Provide Evidence for Everything I’m Sayin!!!
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@@trav6718yall repeat this and don’t look into it . 5losses came to teams that weren’t bowl eligible 😂yall want props for beating non bowl eligible sec teams but then when u go agaisnt the ones that are you have a losing record. last year the 10th best sec team beat a team in the acc championship . this year sec champ beat acc champ by 30+ the 6th best sec team beat acc champ. show us examples of that in recent years
Texas A&M scheduled Notre Dame
Georgia scheduled Clemson
LSU scheduled USC. LR wanted it canceled.
Texas scheduled Michigan
Arkansas scheduled Oklahoma State
Florida scheduled Miami
Alabama scheduled Wisconsin
Ole Miss scheduled Wake Forest
everyone in the SEC that doesn’t already have a P5 OOC scheduled as a rivalry game has to schedule a OOC P5 game.
2025:
Alabama plays @ FSU
LSU plays Clemson
Texas A&M plays @ Notre Dame
Arkansas plays Notre Dame
Texas plays @ Ohio State
Oklahoma plays Michigan
Mississippi State plays Arizona State
Tennessee plays Syracuse
Auburn plays @ Baylor
Missouri plays Kansas
South Carolina plays Virginia Tech
Vanderbilt plays @ Virginia Tech
Ole Miss plays Washington State
Florida plays @ Miami
what do you want them to do? schedule Ohio State Oregon and Clemson for every OOC game while they keep their rivalry game? it can’t work like that if Ohio State Oregon and Clemson don’t agree on it. so stop yapping nonsense.
every conference is under .500 for OOC games except the SEC. do research.
I’ll be honest the only time I get mad at SEC bias is when a non- SEC team has a great season, but gets crap because they don’t play in the SEC.
SEC isn't a better top to bottom. It's a top-heavy conference that is geographically located in the area for which football is most popular. I will never argue against the popularity of the SEC, which by in far is the case
It is less top heavy than any other conference with way more national championship winning teams than any other conference. Georgia, Bama, lsu, auburn, Florida, Tennessee all within the last 30 years. Name 6 national championship winning teams from the big 10, or acc, or pac 12, or big 12 in the past 30 years. He'll name 6 from all those conferences combined the past 30 years?! Clemson Michigan Ohio state texas...? Who else.
@BB-ce5ev Anything before the 4 team playoff was a popularity contest. In the 4 team format not only did it prove a 3 or even 4 ranked team could win a championship if given the chance, the SEC though dominate has been Alabama, Georgia, and LSU that one time
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I would like to hear your thoughts on anchor bias. To clarify, when preseason rankings come out, they are mostly based on prior performance and not the makeup of the team at the time. With the protal, most voters don't do enough homework to know how to vote in the preseason. As the season goes on, they struggle to move away from their preseason picksbecause they don't like to be wrong, so a team that doesn't look like a good team slowly moves down in the rankings, instead of quickly moving to where they should be.
SEC SEC SEC!
College football has teetered on the edge of total SEC dominance for roughly 20 years now. There were a couple programs, Ohio State, Clemson, FSU etc....that were able to sneak in a win titles but by and large the SEC dominance in non conference and bowl games was jarring. I think the only thing standing in their way was the fact the B1G was big enough and rich enough to build a conference that can almost rival it. It's like Coke and Pepsi....one is clearly larger but the other is just big enough to keep it interesting. The Big 12 and ACC are just holding on hoping to keep seats at the table.
The SEC never plays games outside of their territory, bowl game or even neutral site non con games, all are played in their territory. The SEC was 8-11 when it had to travel out west to play the PAC-12, with most wins coming against Arizona schools. Scheduling times and location matter, and the NCAA let the SEC take every advantage.
More Alabama coverage and more SEC coverage!
Pate State out here putting nails in some coffins with straight facts and logic.
How so? He literally just went round and round to confirm that his childhood paints his bias. The reality is when the SEC doesn’t get treated above others that there is an issue. The conference was not head and shoulders above anyone this year and the whining for more teams from it being in the playoff is misguided.
Baked in advantages. One reason the PAC 12 died is because a decent portion of their games had kickoff times of 10pm or later on the eastcoast. Even if Oregon just had a couple games this late, it is enough to keep them from the top 10 in viewership. It hurt Pac-12 recruiting too, because players don't want to play at place when half the country is asleep. The SEC has also had the advantage of playing 95 percent of their bowl games (and non-con "neutral site" games) in their own territory. Home field advantage matters! Do you know what the SEC record since 1990 against the PAC-12 was when they had the guts to travel out west? 8-11, and most of their wins came against Arizona schools. Scheduling and location matter, and it is backed into the cupcake, that is the SEC/NCAA lovefest. Do you think it is fair that the SEC is the only conference that gets to play late November FCS games? While other conferences are playing meaningful conference matchups, the SEC is taking a bye week, and getting their teams an undeserving 6th win to get them into a home bowl game so that the next preseason poll has them ranked 24th when they shouldn't be ranked at all.
It’s not bias if it is earned
Yep, losing three games, two of which to 6-6 teams, means you earn a CFP spot!
@@BasketballBusinessI wasn’t even talking about a specific team. It’s nice to know the sec lives rent free in your head
@@BasketballBusinessguess the NFL scouts are biased too
The big 10 will win the title this year. Again. Therefore, big 10 should automatically get oregon, osu, Penn state, Michigan and Washington next year into the playoffs, regardless of record. They earned it.
@@hector8491 that may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. How does that apply?
SEC has the lowest gpa for any division i conference. So I do not think there is any bias, outside of the players that go pro the others graduate hopefully with a worthless degree in some absurd major, like sports and recreation.
bro went to crying about grades in a football debate 😂😂😂😂😂
@@yoc329 he also thinks it only happens at SEC schools. Delusional.
Why does it exist?
1. Starts way back when the championship was just picked by the final rank. A hand full of teams (SEC heavy) just decided who the champ was. Guys wanted the opportunity to be on a championship team. The best talent went to the well funded South because they knew the politics were in the favor of those teams.
2. Then the best 2 teams (decided by the handful of the big boys). Money started coming into colleges with the best viewership from networks. The best talent went were they knew they had a chance ( based on the profitability of viewership) The vast majority of colleges were never going to ever have a chance regardless of their team. Teams ,knowing they had no chance, hung their hats on bowl games. That's why bowls mattered.
3. People wanted it to appear more like true a championship, not just a pageant show from the big boys. Investors wanted to satisfy the money.
4.The big market schools have decades of stacking talent through the lopsided years and the reputation. There was never going to be a fair shake to the smaller markets. They don't get to learn by playing the big guys regularly ( iron sharpens iron) and investors would never let it happen.
5. Fast forward to today, transfer portal , NIL have started disassembling and reconfiguring the market system.
6. People wanted a truer championship, so the play off has arrived. The format was driven so these generational trapped school could get their shot. So that they can learn, recruit etc.
5. Better talent can now go to these smaller markets because they have a chance at the playoff and rich alumni can drive things rather than networks.
6. The big boys are still whining because they can't keep the smaller market schools from enjoying some of the post season pie. Elitism created by the old market system.
7. Give these smaller market schools time in this playoff system and many of them will catch up.
Perhaps. That would certainly make the CFB season more entertaining for all fans.
RE: #1 & #2
Have to disagree. Pre-CFP required excellence. Rarely (like once I believe) were there 3 undefeated teams. Media/computer driven by 'you are what your record says you are' chose the teams. The result-the BCS worked every year. It guaranteed #1 played #2 for the championship, no split titles.
@@RoadTo19 "the BCS worked every year" What drugs did you take?
Undefeated teams left out of the championship: 1998 Tulane, 1999 Marshall, 2003 Miami Ohio, 2004 Boise State, 2004 Utah, 2004 Auburn, 2006 Boise State, 2007 Hawaii, 2008 Utah, 2008 Boise State, 2009 Boise State, 2009 TCU, 2009 Cincinnati, 2010 TCU, 2012 Ohio State
2000 - Miami literally beat FSU during the season, but FSU made the title game over them.
2001 - Colorado destroyed nebraska for the B12 title, but Nebraska still made it over them and the PAC champ Oregon.
2003 - Kstate demolished Oklahoma for the B12 title, but somehow OU made it over them and #1 ranked USC
2004 - 5 teams went undefeated
2006 - #1 Ohio State beat #2 Michigan by 3. Computer polls kept Michigan as #2, Human polls put Florida as #2.
2007 - 7 of the top 8 teams had the same record - no undefeated team made a title game this season
2008 - The B12 and PAC had 3 way ties for first in their conference. Also neither undefeated team actually made the title game this season.
2009 - 5 teams went undefeated
2011 - #1 LSU beat #2 Alabama by 3. Human polls decided to complete contradict themselves from 2006 whereby "two teams from same conference shouldnt play for a title game" and still selected Alabama to make the game.
Sorry bud but you clearly were not watching the BCS era.....
@@MattBuild4 I like I said, "BCS guaranteed #1 played #2 for the championship, no split titles."
Awesome segment. I'm part of the "I wish everyone would stop giving the SEC the benefit of the doubt crowd." There are a lot of us, and I've noticed on other channels that engagement increases when this debate comes up.
I think people have come to dislike SEC bias as a whole that the SEC takes on a Patriots, Cowboys, Yankees (insert successful franchise you love to hate, status. It makes for great content and debate.
I mean, I truly believe that conferences are closer than the media wants to admit. I acknowledge a recruiting advantage in that highly rated recruits tend to go to SEC schools, but collectively, I think non-SEC schools match up pretty well head-to-head. Im excited for this playoff for that reason, I can't wait to see what happens.
Thanks for the segment.
The past 20 years of bowl games and regular season match ups show the sec typically wins. They send more people to the nfl which is part of why it's different.
This is the year OREGON will take a big dump on all SEC fanboys.
So 7 teams in the top 25, almost 8. Can you name another Confrence that comes close this year. Great teams that beat each other up. Big 10 had 3 good teams, ACC 2, Big12 2.
There are 5 Big Ten teams in the top 25. There are four Big Ten teams in the top 10, one more than the SEC has. You're just showing exactly what SEC bias looks like.
"Walk me through to a logic base conclusion how you would like me to do the show differently."
You're asking way too much of the internet.
Show material idea Josh….
Do a show where you show / breakdown current top 25 teams record vs the SEC since say 2000. All teams not in the SEC.
As a lifelong Pac12 fan on the west coast. If a team wants relevance in the CF world you have to win and the SEC has earned that. My issue is the media and not being neutral. Case in point was the Penn State vs Oregon game in the Big10 championship. The announcers lacked knowledge about Oregon as well as trumping up more Penn State love. As a Duck fan that was a unfair representation of announcing. Even social media was blowing up from Oregon fans complaining. There is a bias against western teams.
You also need to acknowledge that people on the east coast and likely the Midwest don’t care a lick about west coast football. They are in bed with the lights turned off. Your TV watchers are accurate with a reason. My TV is on at 6am and is on all day on Saturdays until Pac 12 after Dark was played. That in my opinion is why your SEC TV viewing is at its highest. You have the nations eyes on it. Personally it is what it is regarding viewership.
Yep, the should never have USC, UCLA, Oregon, or Washington play past 8pm on the eastcoast. It hurts westcoast recruiting. Have the SEC teams play earlier, if their fans are loyal, they will watch an 11am game.
Born and raised in the South . Hate the SEC . The conference isn’t that deep , it runs 5 deep for real, and has the large media machine of ESPN behind them . ESPN has more skin in the game on their investment / contract with the SEC more than any other conference .
I've said on here I'm an ASU guy and I am. Watched the Pac-10/12 since I was a kid in the 80s and what I can say is this year, I watched more SEC games than I did Big 12 games and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think when it's said there is SEC bias I think it's more Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M bias and maybe occasionally Ole Miss. Those teams have been competing for national championships or in the case of Texas A&M with Johnny Football then Jimbo, just an entertaining program. No one really talks that much about Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and even though Missouri, South Carolina and Mississippi State have played some really good football over the last 12-13 years, they still don't get talked about much. SEC just has a lot of good football players so there's going to be bias in covering because as much as people complain they gravitate towards the talent.
The Big Ten has loyal fans but nationally outside of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn St, Wisconsin for a few years, the rest of the football conference has been mostly forgettable in terms of just nationwide interest. Pac-12 was such a mess organizationally, and with a lot of late games, often hurt itself despite it being arguably the most entertaining conference outside of the SEC. ACC was basically FSU or Clemson so there was just no drama there.
SEC had the Alabama behemoth and seeing if anyone could challenge Saban created a lot of drama people were interested in. I do think there is bias towards coverage and a little bit of overrating the SEC this year. I think they are still the best conference but it's not as vast but overall SEC just has more big teams in their conference, more overall talent, and in terms of realignment, didn't really lose any of it's historical big regional rivalry games and managed to bring back Texas-Texas A&M. The old Big 8/12, SWC, Pac-12, others just couldn't sustain so there is going to be, and should be more SEC coverage.
This all comes back to Greg Sankey going for the money bringing in Texas and Oklahoma. The SEC will inevitably have a 3 loss team every year. Just too much competition in the league. Look at recruiting rankings and see where all the best players are going. Will see how this effects scheduling in the future and which school will notice and want to leave the league. I see an "A and B" football playoff in the future.
Playing 9 conference games and playing in a conference where it was almost impossible to go undefeated killed the Pac-12 many years.
The SEC still has their late November FCS games to get their teams bowl eligible
Look at the SOS for teams in the SEC and then look at the other conferences, a total joke! Georgia 2, Bama 16. Indiana 108, SMU 80. I know 3 good SEC teams did not get in, but let them play a 108 schedule and Penn St, Indiana and SMU 13. Look Clemson, the ACC chap got destroyed by Georgia and lost at home to Clemson, and they are a great team. Get real.
@@mnshws12 I don't think the FCS games get factored into SOS. Also, every SEC team is overrated, and when overrated teams play other overrated teams, then SOS is skewed.
And another thing people fail to realize, football in the south is like a religion. We live, shit, breath, and eat football down here
I think this is spot on. My big issues with the SEC are A)they get the benefit of the doubt, always, and B) the deck is stacked in the SECs favor most of the time. A perfect example of B is the structural bias baked into the sport. The fact that the supposed #1 seed Oregon, assuming all teams with the best odds advance, would face Texas in Dallas and the final is in Atlanta, where Oregon is expected to meet Georgia for the title, this despite Oregon being the higher seed they essentially are playing road games. In other words, the sport is set up to enable the rich to get richer.
Like Penn St, ND, Clempson, Michigan, FSU, etc.
So many TEAMS in CFB get "the benefit of doubt." Yet people won't admit that it's TEAMS that get this treatment, not conferences.
I don’t know why people are shocked about Kentucky being in top 10. there are 0 pro sports to watch in the state, the pro teams around the state all have losing records except the Colts. this was the most talented team they’ve ever had under Stoops, there was high expectations since many of the SEC opponents had vulnerable/down seasons. (Florida, Auburn, Georgia) and they completely failed. so viewership will definitely decline massively next year as the AD signed a ludicrous contract extension that the boosters can’t buyout because it’s all towards basketball.
Kentucky is in it bc they played Texas, Georgia, Ole Miss and Tennessee that’s a lot of extra eye balls on their games this year.
I live in a state that has every major sport team you could want. I hate pro sports. Only watch college football.
@@coryrodriguez4863 that’s every year dude…I think this year was different
SEC bias is real. It’s all over the media. The people don’t want all sec teams though.
My question is where was the mighty SEC during the 80’s and 90’s when college football was real and not this fake woke stuff
The ACC seems to have woken up to the fact that we have to start investing the same amount of money as the SEC and B1G to compete
Year in year out there really isn't a better conference period
Big ten last 3 years
@@TheGoodTherapistlet’s count the ways you’re wrong:
🏈National Championships
🏈Draft picks
🏈First round draft picks
🏈Bowl Record
🏈Head to Head
16 of the last 24 national titles won by current SEC teams, 67 current NFL players from the University of Alabama, SEC bias sure, Bama bias of course....
@@TheGoodTherapist Didn't an SEC team win 2 of the last 3 national championships? And that SEC team beat the best B1G team in the semis both times to do it. lmao
@@MrBlarginFlarg top to bottom Big Ten better last few years. The argument is stop rewarding teams for past performances and years. There should never be the benefit of the doubt.
I think the “bias” is what you talk about with your coverage. The market is bigger for the SEC, better business to cover it, and better business to inflate the games. Makes sense. I think where people get frustrated with Josh is that every show does this, and his show didn’t used to be like this. It’s a saturated market with SEC coverage.
SEC bias is....... and excuse others use when their schools are not accomplishing the goals of their fans.
What would Oregon's record be if it had to play it's year through the SEC?
9-3 probably.
7 - 5
Thank you for identifying yourselves
The SEC is weak. Remember you lost last year to the big ten. Oregon is undefeated in the big ten. So based off that and the fact you wanted a 9-3 Alabama in the playoffs I would say their record would be pretty good
Undefeated. The SEC's best team almost lost to GT.
A couple of suggestions, Josh. 1) Turn the helmets behind you, so viewers can see what the team is. 2) You should do an end of season award show. Best coach, Best Defensive player, Best Offensive player, Most Impactful Freshman, etc. I think After a few cycles of this, people would really look forward to see the unveiling. You could also start each season with a watchlist to add life to the process and generate interest.
i know i sound like a SEC Stan but the internet seems to gloss over the fact that Big10 bias is just as bad.
If UGA wins, it will forever be considered a 4-peat since politics kept them out of the championship in place of Alabama.
Dream on, you lost and did not deserve last year.
@@mnshws12 look I’m not gonna complain about being left out cause we did lose to Alabama, but do you truly we think we weren’t one of the four best teams last year? Throw out deserve because as the committee stated they wanted to put in the four BEST teams
The problem is the pac12 was better than the majority of football but disrespected. They had the opportunity to get Texas and Oklahoma but apparently it didn't work out
If you are a 3 star recruit or higher you are guaranteed a scholarship at some school. Get the education you want first, and if and only if you want to get to the NFL pick your school based on what position you want to play. For example WR go to Ohio State. For Linebacker go to teams who year after year are known for their defense, and so forth. I really don't care which conference is best, pick the school that is best for you and your future plans, whether in sports or in a career.
There absolutely is SEC bias. However they did this to themselves and now trying to move the goalpost to their favor. If the conferences were the way they were 3 years ago, Bama is in.
Alabama, Florida, South Carolina etc. played absolutely brutal schedules find any conference with one team that stacks up I'll be waiting.
The SEC and Big Ten are the only conferences that can afford to compete. There’s a few teams in the other conferences that have Big Brand Names that are being left behind. That’s my beef with today’s college football.
Well the sec is the toughest conference. Take the top 10 sec teams and randomly rank them against the REST of the top 10 teams throughout ALL the other conferences combined. Uga vs oregon, tenn vs osu, bama vs Penn state etc. See how it all plays out and you see why the sec is as big as it is. No other conference can say this or do this and survive
The B1G teams would win all three of those games.
If anything the media has a B1G bias. I would love if Josh Pate was the commissioner of NCAAF. I would love to see the old traditional conferences return. Of course, I'm an old guy, and what I want doesn't matter.
Count the blue chips players in SEC compared to others. Talking pros AFC -NFC-and the SEC. Just Facts
Who defines blue chip?
It’s almost as if the teams that are televised the most will get more viewership. Not because ESPN puts their games on as much as possible.
Enjoy the history, SEC. That "under-the-table payout" method you used to get some of the best talent? Gone. Every major college (and many a lot RICHER than SEC schools) has the ability to pay players.
Whole new world in College Football now. The transfer portal has made it impossible to stockpile 5 & 4 star recruits. You don't play them? They leave.
And this won't just benefit a few schools. There are now 20+ teams with the ability to put a championship team on the field. College Football has NEVER been more exciting!!
Let's see how the non SEC teams do in the playoffs.
All favoritism of one form or another simply follows the power of money. Any sycophant proclaiming some other issue, say "depth of assistant coaches" or some such, is simply lying. Nothing less.
They way pate describes what does numbers for his show is more indicative of the sport as a whole. Bias, even if earned, is good for business and perpetuating it is beneficial
This. So much this.
hell yeah sec bias is real because the media goes out of their way to propagate that the entire sec is dominate just because of alabama and georgia. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the conference is mid or slightly above mid
Thank you and keep the dream alive!
True! ESPN is the worst.
Wish college football would turn their non conference schedule into what college basketball already does and each week could be one conference against another from the top down. SEC v Big 12, ACC v Big 10, your best team against ours and down the list. Then switch it up the next week.
Hey guys! Josh pate here. Just gonna toot my own horn about how awesome I am for 10 minutes
Before I even watched the video I came to the comments to say… YES IT IS REAL !!!
The problem is Josh tries to justify the SEC Bias that he has and others do the same.
There isn’t bias, the sec is the best conference and the best teams. Point blank period. They get treated as such. Don’t like it ? Beat more sec teams lmao
Even if there is bias, it doesn't mean the SEC isn't the best. The people who argue "SEC Bias; therefore, SEC is not clearly the best" are literally proposing a fallacious argument.
@@MBarberfan4life IMO the problem with "SEC Bias" -- isn't an argument that the SEC isn't overall the best conference; There are many good teams in the conference.
But VANDY isn't one, and the bias problem is, when Alabama loses to Vandy -- it isn't a testament to the "depth" of the SEC as a majority of the media spins it to be. It's a good team shitting the bed. Just like OSU losing to Purdue is a good team shitting the bed. The bias for the SEC is 100% in the media spin for when SEC teams shit the bed.
To that point: Bama can lose to Georgia, Texas, LSU --- and no one would say they're bad for it -- because those are ALSO good teams. Just like PSU can lose to OSU and Oregon and not be called bad for it. *The bias is, you only think one of those is true and it's not.*
Of the past 18 championships the SEC has competed in 16, won 13 of those, and did so with 5 different teams. Until that trend seems to change, which as Josh pointed out looking at the recruiting classes, it's not looking good for other conferences other than the B1G, the SEC is by far the most brutally dominant conference, and has been for 2 decades. And they're showing signs of becoming a powerhouse in basketball too. Hard to be biased in that reality.
There's a bias against the SEC, yes.
Let's fix college football. Division 1 - 64 teams. Division 2 - 64 teams. Division 3 - 64 teams. Division 4 - 64 teams. Each division is divided into 4 balanced conferences of 16 teams. West Coast, East Coast, Southern, Midwest. 16 team playoff. Each quadrant is the top 4 teams from each of the 4 conferences. The final 4 ends up being the 4 conference champions. The top 4 teams and bottom 4 teams of each division promote and relegate at the end of each season.
UGA is THE MOST VIEWED team... the fans tell the story.
Just this year and mostly because we played in big games. Alabama is leagues ahead in viewership the past decade.
Alabama just got left out of the playoffs while being ranked 11. SEC bias is in y'all's head.
Alabama lost 3 games don't belong in the playoffs
The bias is that Alabama is ranked 11th at all.
@@corypayne5087 where should they be ranked, who should be ranked higher, and why?
Lol yet all the media talks about is how unfair Bama being left out is. The shocking part is the committee actually did something right but people are SEC bias
@@frankhavener thats the thing about having 12 slots. There's lots of teams that are going to get a shot that you don't think "deserved" it.
I watched bama drop games that they have no business dropping this year. If the ACC championship went different bama would have been the 3 loss team in I'm not upset we didn't make it. Watching SMU get butt blasted isn't gonna be very entertaining though, oh well!
SEC is the best conference in cfb. But in general I don’t think any 2 loss P4 team should be ranked above a 3 loss SEC team (again IN GENERAL) but also in general any 2 loss SEC team should be ranked above any other 2 loss team
With the viewership thing my argument would be timeslots. All those top 10 teams are typically prime time games. I’m a colorado fan (yes before deion I suffered for a long time) and we had maybe 2 or 3 prime time games then a bunch of morning and early afternoon games i think we would’ve been top 10 with 6-8 primetime games, and could possibly be the same for other programs.
It seems like SEC promotes the SEC where as the Big Ten promotes the individual schools. Maybe it is the schools themselves in the SEC promoting SEC and the schools in the Big Ten promote their individual school.
No the BIG10 promotes Ohio state and sometimes Michigan. It’s hilarious to watch the BIG10 changes rules and adjust choices to benefit OSU.
The reason those teams are the most watched is thst that what the networks put on TV. I you like football, you're gonna watch. That doesn't mean that that's what people want to watch.
I would also add Josh if they don’t like it they need to start paying into their particular Teems collective to make them better so that they can be a better product than what the SEC is Dohling out
ESPN and SEC have a billion dollar deal in place…
The SEC is the best. No bias needed.
I like the South, I just don't like many SEC fans, starting with the Vols (with a few exceptions).
SEC has been super strong and I couldn't stand it but it was true. This year, not so much because of NIL and the transfer portal. Depth is not there this year like past years. It's starting to show. More teams can beat the typical powerhouses this year.
Now all NCAA teams can pay their players. In the past only the SEC and USC did so.
@joshpatecfb you can get rid a lot of the bias if you get rid of preseason and weekly polls
Polls shouldn’t come out until week 9
The SEC bias is the most logical way of doing it, but that is based purely on TV viewers. TV viewers is alumni, but mostly bandwagon and general cfb fans. There is a large untapped population out there, and you are based purely on hit subscribe and viewers. Individual donors or watchers don't matter. In order to broaden the audience, I might also look at enrollment and alumni population. Their team may suck, but if they have a big rival game, be interesting to hear about it. AZ state has the largest enrollment, they should get a bigger block of time now. I would dedicate a quarter of a show to AZ state before their playoff game. I might talk about Scott Frost going to UCF, another large enrollment, untapped market. Rutgers K-State, Rutgers has a large enrollment, NYC needs a college team to root for. Huge population base. The thing is the most of the population that support those teams have tuned you out because of the SEC bias. You said yourself you want CFB to hit all 4 corners and the heartland. It starts with generating interest there, cliche build it and they will come. I'd also add that there is a lot of 50's plus cfb fans, that are die hard fans, that grew up watching Nebraska and the veer, Washington was a great team, iowa wiht Hayden Fry, FSU, colorado with McCartney back in the day. They want those teams to be good again and want to be fans, but it starts with generating interest. Otherwise, those teams will never come back, and the 18 year old recruits never knew that teams history. In the end, SEC bias in coverage only builds more SEC bias, and doesn't promote the four corners or the heartland. Do what's right, and let the chips fall where they may. One final thought, you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
Yes (not you in particular but in general the way things are run around college ball) , the preseason rankings always seem to show a huge amount of SEC teams and maybe 4-5 are still ranked at the end of the year which artificially inflates their SOS, because once your start looking through records a huge chunk of the teams are meh to bad that they are playing, but that inflated rankings makes it look like they are the greatest since their in conference opponents always seem to get a higher than deserved ranking. Yet come bowl time they are usually at best .500 against teams stronger than Mercer. Super conferences are killing College football slowly but surely. Nobody should be ranked till week 6 ish.
TV ratings are a product of what networks choose to highlight. That stat is the exact definition of SEC bias. Notice how none of the top 10 are west coast teams. Also notice that mass majority are eastern time zone. This also has a feedback loop. Do recruits want to play games in front of the largest audience?
Oregon played in prime time a ton this season. The osu game was prime time east coast time. Shit I think they played a noon game even.
@@thecasualatvguy617they played multiple games that started after 9 est. They also played a game on Peacock only.
Okay, you can't block Danny Kanell for being creative. LOL!
SEC is the best conference, and it all stems from their TV partner boosting their brand. ESPN saw a money making machine and pushed it forward, while letting their other conference partner lag behind and fall by the wayside. Fox has done the same thing with the Big 10 but not as successfully. The BIG 12 was left with scraps, while the PAC 12 crumbled, and the BIG 10 flourished. It's no more P4 its the P2 and all the teams who didn't make it in or missed their opportunity will suffer and die.