Worth trying to exchange this pair. I had the same thing happen in the Speed 2 and couldn’t get over how this universally loved shoe wasn’t working. I asked Saucony for a replacement pair, and it’s an entirely different experience. I barely put 75 miles in my first pair, but I ran up 200 miles on the second pair real fast. Still going.
Maybe that makes this review even more needed then. Seems Saucony has a QA issue that is more prevalent than they think. With how many shoes Kafuzi has to review it's most likely this will never be re reviewed because there are only so many miles one can put down in a week.
I had similar issues with this shoe, recurring nerve pain that I have in my right foot. It comes and goes, but this shoe just agitated it. The thing that helped, was i changed the insole! Works so much better 😊 no problem now with nerve pain
Everyone is different. what works for one doesn't work for another. I happen to love this shoe but thats me. Thanks for the honest review and your true thoughts.
I've taken the Speed 3 on a 20 miler with no issues. Definitely more stable than past versions. I'm also around 190lbs. I typically like to wear smart wool socks with these. My feet seem to bounce around in a shoe with thin socks giving me issues in the toe nail area
This is how felt in the Bondi 7. Everyone that I knew loved it but it gave me blisters on the inside of my arch. Sucks when a shoe works for everyone but you. Anyone, great review.
If you land more laterally on your forefoot then the plate in the Pro 3 will help you land squarely across the forefoot and use the full rocker, whereas the flexibility of the speed is probably resulting in a thin line of foam compressing under the lateral side or the foot and the rocker being essentially bypassed because the foam has compressed too far
I’ve purchased many of the shoes you have reviewed and I have to say, the Endorphin Speed 3 are by far my favorite. I hope they don’t mess this up when Speed 4 comes out. Thanks again for reviewing these!
The Endorphin Pro 3 is hands down far superior this year, I made the decision not to get the Speed 3 but to get another pair of the Speed 2 just because of how it performed for me and how much I loved running in it during my training runs. “If it ain’t broke!”
@@Kaisersozze I was referring to the Pro 3. I wore both Endorphins, the Speed 2’s and Pro 2’s and loved them. But when I tried on the Speed 3’s in store, just running around the block didn’t blow me away and stayed with the speed 2. When I tried on the Pro 3’s and ran outside the store, it was a huge upgrade I felt from the Pro 2 model and since the purchase I have been so happy to be using them and happy staying with the Speed 2 for training.
@@Kaisersozze yeah, Fleet Feet is my go to for trying out new shoes, and the one I typically shop at also will price match if I can find it cheaper online.
Put 500 miles on my pair on my Speed 3’s and I have to say. I feel like the Endorphin Speed 3 is my favorite running shoe I’ve owned. It’s such a top notch “this shoe does whatever you want it to”. Jack of all trades shoe. Tempo, long run (for me that’s a half marathon), short run (any garden variety of 5 or 10k), sprints. I’ve used the Speed 3’s for it all and they have felt great and served me exceedingly well. Enough cushion to be your daily trainer yet lightweight and fast enough to push on your faster/tempo runs. It can do it all. Not tryna sell the damn shoe but I’ve been that impressed by it.
I found the Triumph 20 to be a over all better shoe. I returned the speed 3 as I found the upper wasen't plush enough for my liking and I also found the plate didn't do much in terms of purpulsion but rather just botherd my foot. The Triumph hugs my foot in all the right places and is much more comfortable while maintaining breathability. The midsole is almost identical this iteration between power run + and PB and with the weight loss of the Triumph the ride is very very similar.
This is definitely my new favorite shoe, I think they took a great pace shoe that had some stability issues and turned it into a more stable daily trainer that can go fast and go for long distances. I think this will go down as one of the most versatile shoes in history. That said I also had some weird feelings in only my right foot at first. That said, I just passed 50 miles this weekend after completing a 10 mile race in which I ran at my HM pace and didn’t have a single issue with hot spots. For me the hot spot actually is only for the first mile or two then works it’s way out. It’s also gotten better and better with each run, I think it just has a looooong break in period. I know you may not use it more, but I would be curious to see if the hot spot subsided after 50 to 100 miles in them.
I’ve got around 40 miles on my pair and I also have a strange feeling around the arch on my right foot. Is the same for you? It doesn’t bother me once I start running but I notice it when static
@@lewismckane3672 yes! It’s right around the arch of only my right foot and same thing it feels weird as soon as I put it on, but it quickly goes away and as never caused any “pain.” It has also gotten quicker at going away the more I use it.
@@gordonsmith6896 I get that on my left foot on adidas pro3 and Adidas Takumi 8. It is freaky. I thought it might be the insoles and when you run you compress them down. Strange it's one foot though.
Full and honest review Kofuzi thank you. I sent my Speed 3’s back after a couple of runs as I just didn’t get that same feel as I did in V2 so bought another pair of them at discount price and paired them up with the new triumph 20 which are fantastic and my shoe of 2022. Hope you get to review them soon? Ian 🇬🇧
Great insights. Very unfortunate it didn’t work out for the ES3 for you. Had a totally different experience as I’ve had a very pleasant one for ES3. It got better in terms of cushioning and stability compared to the ES2 and ES1… and I really liked both previous versions. I’d probably pick up the NB3 next year, but for this year… it’s just Saucony combo (Pro3, Speed3 and Triumph20) for me. Good luck on the marathons!✌🏻
Kofusi, I have 365km in my pair of Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 and have noticed the hot spot issue, although not to the extent that you have felt. I originally started using them for my long runs, but they didn't work out. I still use them for my easy runs and they are fine, but the insole is just awful. I have had issues with the insoles on other Endorphin shoes, but nothing like with the Speed 3. I ended up cutting a significant part of the toe of the insole, so the arch support lines up with my foot and then have to push it forward everytime I put the shoe on. I now do my long runs in a pair of Saucony Triumph 20, and this is simply not an issue, as it is with the Speed 3. I have over 650km in a pair of Speed 2s and 1096km and 860km in 2 pair of the original Speeds. My honest opinion is the Speed 3 are similar, but definitely not the same shoe as the earlier versions and I doubt I will buy another pair. As you can see, I am not a casual user of the Endorphin Speed, with over 2600km combined in 3 pair of the 1 and 2, but my greatest fear was realised when I got the Speed 3, that is Saucony ruined them in an attempt to differentiate them from the Pro 3. I turn 64 yo in a week and a half and I am getting a pair of pink Pro 3, so I'm not off the Endorphin range, just disappointed with what Saucony did to the Speed 3. Thanks for the video.
That's sad, such a great shoe. I took the Novablast 3 out for a first run yesterday and that seems comparable to the Endorphin Speed 3. Need another run or two in the Novablast 3 but, after my first run, I would still pick the Endorphin Speed 3.
I've had hot spots in my Vaporfly Next% more than once during training runs, and in the Next% v2 I even developed a huge nasty chafing wound on my achilles heel after only 10K of running, that took 2 weeks to heal. On the other hand, I've also set 3 of my 4 fastest marathon times in them (v1). Sometimes that foot-to-shoe compatibility can be like a roller coaster relationship.
I'm still a fan of the Speed one. it worked, it was light, and fast as almost anything, the cushioning was really adequate for me, never had stability trouble, it just dominated it's price point imo and I got the most out of it.
I love the Speed 2 but would like a little more stability so I'm excited to grab these once my two pairs of twos wear out. 400 miles on my first pair and they really don't feel much different from my second with 20 miles! Awesome durability
I've bought a bunch of shoes this year and the Speed 3 (to me) is the shoe of the year. Best version of the Speed yet...more stable than the previous versions but still has great pop and turnover. I love it. Beat the NovaBlast 3 for Shoe of the Year
It sounds like the geometry of the speedroll on this version doesn’t match your toe off or some other part of your gait if the hot spot is on the bottom of your foot as you imply (as opposed to a fit issue). I’m more interested in the Endo Pro3 this time around. Tried it on the other day and really liked it. Great colorway too-a deep orange and dark blue combo.
I had exactly the same problem you were describing in the Asics Novablast 2. The shoe feels great for shorter runs, but anything longer and/or faster, I feel like my toes are almost directly on the ground with only minimal cushioning underneath. Anyone else got the same problem on the Nova2?
The speed is a big letdown…. It’s a shame because the pro 3 is AMAZING … and the speed has almost a identical midsole but it’s almost a crime to not put a carbon plate in it.
Similar issue here with 100mi in them… they’re almost a perfect marathon racer for me other than the ball of left foot hot spot. Replacing the insole which had already flattened out, and changing out the laces and lacing pattern to loosen the forefoot, have helped but not eliminated the issue.
I loved the Speed 2 - The only change I was hoping for in v3 was that the toe box would be slightly roomier. I started to take my new 3's out for a threshold workout yesterday and right away they felt WAY squishier than the 2's. I also have the Tempus so I'm familiar with the PB foam but for some reason this shoe was so marshmallowy. I also have been trying to keep an insertional achilles tendonitis and PF at bay through my marathon training - it's finally subsided but I felt an immediate pain in my right heel so I turned around and switched them out for my Guides. I would have put my 2's on for this workout but they're pretty much worn out. I also felt like the speedroll was a little more forward than the 2's (late stage being the term I guess) but I wonder if that's just my imagination. I'm taking them to the treadmill today for a short optional run just to feel them out without a specific workout on the books to see if they start making more sense for me. Otherwise, I'm almost wishing I had picked up a pair of 2's on sale but maybe in a half-size up to fix the toe box issue.
The toebox issue will never be fixed, as it makes the shoe look ugly, i.e. unfashionable. I cut holes in the toebox, but they only help on short distances. The other day I did a 10k race (that's very short for me), but then spent half a day walking in the shoes and I got beautiful blisters (as I normally do in torpedo-shaped shoes). Unfortunately, I don't have torpedo-shaped feet, so pointy shoes don't fit me.
Thanks for the review! I’m with you on this one . This one went to “retirement” after 26 miles. Hate it. I’m also a forefoot runner with a clean stride. There’s very little cushion not stability where I land. It runs hot and insane R forefoot pain!! While the mid foot stability is good, the forefoot stability sucks. Anyhow… this one is a write off.
Love the light stability in this guy, I’ve been taking it on my 20 milers the past two weekends with no ankle issues-something I sadly couldn’t say with the Novablast 2’s 😕 Forefoot of the Speed 3’s is definitely firmer than that of the Novablasts, sad to hear it gave you hot spots!
I'm a huge fan of the Endorphin series so I'm completely bias on these. I fell into the same predicament as you when it came to the Hoka mach 4's. Everyone loved the Mach 4's and I was not a fan. Different shoes for different people. Have a great day!
Glad to finally see other people having issues with this shoe. It just doesn't work for me. No spring no toe off but feels flat and unresponsive. I think it's the plate just not fitting with my foot geometry. My feet feel beaten up when wearing these. Completely different feel to the speed 1+2.
I have a love/hate with this shoe. I did a 20 mile long run in it last week and my feet felt great. however, it is a bit unstable for me and I definitely felt like I was compensating with my ankle strength to avoid pronation (which I normally have no issues with)
You have some of THE BEST produced videos out there, Kofuzi, so much so that I sometimes get distracted from the review content itself as I go, “damn, that bit was so professionally done!!” while I focus on some production detail… Haha 😆 Great stuff!! Thank you and keep up the good (and very polished work). Happy running 😊
I experienced the same issue on a 16K@MP. My right foot was fine, but my left foot was hot at the bottom of the foot at position where the metatarsals meet the phalanges. I have a Morton's Neuroma, on my right foot, which necessitates that I find a lockdown without overtightening the front-most part of the lacing. The toe box is a little larger in the Speed 3, which encouraged me to cinch down the front of my left foot, which caused the issue. The following run, I tightened the left foot less, similar to my right foot, and the hot spot vanished.
Going from Endo Speed 1 to the 3, the main thing I have noticed is the play/give in the upper. And I think this could explain the hotspot issue. If one of your feet is slightly smaller or not as tall as the other, the upper is allowing that foot to move around just a bit more than that foot would like. I experienced this in the V1 in the heel, where if I didn't really lock the shoes down, I get a rubbing on my left heel. Overtime it finally wore a hole in the heel padding in the left shoe, so I retired them at 530KM. I have about 10KM in the Speed 3 so far as easy KMs, but I plan to tighten the shoe just a bit more than I normally would and hope that the upper doesn't start to cause too much play as I start to use it on 20KM+ long runs.
My favorite shoe ever is the ES2. I recently got the Triumph19 and love those as well. I might get the ES3 next. I have the pressure spot issue with the novablast 3. I Feel like on really long runs, the cushioning would disappeared and felt like I was running barefoot on concrete.
Glad I caught this comment because I'm experiencing the same thing you described here regarding the Novablast 3. My first runs in them were excellent and they felt quite springy. Now I'm about 100 miles in with them and on long runs they feel a bit flat now and the energy return is lost. I'm kinda disappointed.
I have to agree with a few comments here, firstly very expensive, secondly toe issues and thirdly hot spots causing skin calus and blistering, where all issues in Speed 2 for me, no-one seemed to care when it was mentioned, people just shut it down or removed the comments from YT, which is a shame. Even Saucony did not reply to my issues. I have a pair of Speed 2's with over 500 miles in them, many of which where painful, I thought it was my fault ie running form etc, until I saw a specialist & he did gait checks, looked at the my running style and form and he was brutal about the Saucony Shoes, have not used them since. I still do not have my toe nails back yet, it has been several months since I lost 2 of them. I have other shoe manufacture now, no issues at all, 15 miles at the weekend, fairly tired legs, however next morning absolutely fine, Saucony I would be off for 3 days light duties calf issues, ankle issues, blisters etc...This is as real as it gets
Aw c’mon!!!! Lol, I here you. Took mine out on a 15 mile run and my feet felt it afterwards. I did however enjoy my brand new New Balance Fresh Foam 1080 v11 and loved the comfort! To heavy for speed/race days.
Great work on the review Ko ! I had a pair of Speed V1's and loved them, everything worked so well, true to size UK6. I then bought a Pair of V2's on sale and some V3's when they released. I ran a couple of half marathons in the V2's and had exactly the same issue. I don't know what the problem was but after around 10k's my right foot started to ache, hotspots, to then point where I was adjusting my gait and landed up with a bruised nail and painful all across the metatarsals. I figured it was just the upper/lockdown/width ?? and because i'm a believer, bought the V3's in the hope they would just work, be more plush - but alas, this was not the case. Really gutted that this happened to me and landed up switching to my Vaporfly's for the remainder of my summer races and training in my Mach4's. I thought it was just me and wanted that same V1 feeling, but interesting that it is not only me.
WHAT? 😵 I adore the past versions of the ES (minus the durability factor, which still is very poor & should be addressed) Nonetheless your comments are always appreciated Kofusi 👌
I think I prefer the 2 .. finding a little too much heel in the 3 but nothing you can't adapt to (that is why it is called "training").. nothing wrong with the foam .. the stretchy laces - but the room on the forefoot is perfect
I love love this shoe…. I first broke the 20 min mark in the 5km in this shoe… run 19min something every PR now and I’m looking to do 18 something before Christmas… sorry my comments are for Pro 3.
I was just about to decide endorphin speed 3 or Novablast 3. Thank you for the review. ASICS shoe never gave me hotspot or any injuries in my daily mileage. I ran in nimbus series. It was fantastic for daily mileage. I ran in glideride series and metaspeed sky for the race. It never occurred any hotspot. But I was just thinking to change to other brand to know how it feels in other foam formulation. But I don't think I would cause marathon race is just around the corner. After hearing this I just stick to flytefoam formula as it works best to my foot. Nimbus/glideride for daily mileage n metaspeed for the race
I don't have any hotspots or discomfort, but I will say that I like v1 and v2 better. I feel like Saucony removed the magic from this shoe by trying to make it more for the masses. It doesn't have the same pop and the added width and weight just isn't necessary for neutral runners. Oh, and the laces are terrible! Don't get me wrong, still a good shoe, just a step back in my opinion.
I like the laces on the 3. My 2s only have 100mi on them but look like they've done 500. The flat laces have frayed due to all the friction, the color way has all bled together and the upper just looks all misshapen. The 3s feel like putting on a luxury car instead of a warn out beater, I've already put more miles in them than the 2s. I do think I preferred the ride in the 1s, but I definitely like the 3s over the 2s personally.
I love my two pairs of speed twos. My pro Twos have a hot spot under the left ball of my foot on longer runs every single time. I cannot use them without two socks on my left foot.
I never have a problem with going against the popular opinion. Everyone's feet are very different so what works for some maybe a train wreck for others. The key for me is to find a reviewer with a similar sized foot length and width then try a shoe they reccomend. If I have similar results to what they found then I know it's a reviewer that works for my foot type.
I absolutely love my endorphins speed 2. The pro -3; Sat Ran 8 treadmill miles and they were okay. Sun ran 16 road miles. They were awful. I felt pings & pains all over my legs & feet. Legs didn’t feel fresh. Not my favorite. Love the color.
I don't understand why other people aren't bothered by how lumpy the Endorphin series is. Thanks for bringing it up It's got lumps like I've got marbles lodged under my heel on either side and then under the ball of the foot. Maybe the uncomfortableness goes away after so many miles? I've tried ordered multiple shoes of the Speed 2 and Speed 3 and they all end up feeling really off. I really wanted to be able to use this shoe since it has such great reviews and love from everyone it seems
Boston? I'm part of the Zoom Fly 3/4 cult faithful who need a replacement. They still sound too soft but maybe split duties with the Kinvara (shorter, faster). We'll see. Only got about 500 miles left on my 4 Zoom Fly's so we have time to see how stable they are over time. #bigbonedflatfootedrunner
I think the worst part about the speed 3 is that it almost has a identical midsole to the pro 3 yet it feels dead because of no carbon fiber plate… it should be a crime to not put that kind of plate in the midsole the speed 3 has… also the pro 3 has waaay more rubber. The pro 3 has a waaay more lively of a ride. More breathable,better laces… and one of the most important things is the back ankle fits more secure imo then the speed 3 does. I wouldn’t recommend the speed 3 to anybody. I know people are going to “not want a super shoe” but seriously just buy the pro 3… even for your non hardcore miles. I run in the pro 3 a couple miles a day … even walk. It’s better in every way then the speed 3. The speed 3 has a major identity crisis because there’s just too much foam to not NOT have a carbon plate
It really does feel close to the pavement as you roll through the toes. Fine with me as long it doesn't pack down over the miles. Nylon plate seems to go unnoticed, as you mention. Overall, I enjoy as an occassional trainer. Pretty cool
it's a great shoe. I just wish it didn't give me that foot pain. I'll be testing to see what kind of runs I can get away with in them, as I do enjoy the shoe when it's not hurting my foot
I tend to have hot spots with pretty much all shoes till my feed adjust to the shoe, with Speed 3 this process was quite quick compared to other shoes in the past. p.s. I remember having this issue for the first time with Altra Torin 2.5 and you also got that.
I love this shoe at up to the 10k, at about 15k I also had a hot spot in the right foot. I pushed to 20k and that was the limit that could physically handle, but oh my what a great shoe at up 10k.
You’re predominantly a forefoot striker (noticeable in video and I believe you have reported this yourself in previous vids). Would you say your experience in running shoes would vary greatly from the general running community (midfoot/heel strikers)? I take your reviews with a grain of salt because of this but still love your channel man.
I agree with you here....his running technique seems flawed and very if not too much on the forefront and to utilize a rocker system would demand a more gradual rear mid landing before any forefront toe off....I have noticed this a lot in his vids and it looks very demanding and injury inducing to run with this technique.
I’m finding heel counter is digging into my left heel & achilles but not my right (when I walk in it not while running). Didn’t have any issues w prev models but lockdown is better in this version. Overall, I prefer the v3 ride over v2 but the v3 upper and tongue material feel warmer IMO. That’s fine for fall but prefer material they used in v1 and even v2 for breathability.
I was deciding between this shoe and the Novablast 3. And I’ll be ordering the Novablast 3, thanks for the honest review and consistently great content 😎🤘
I got both and been rotating them- if you have already done a lot of running get the speed 3. If you just building your base get the nova. But do tempo but the speed is more peppy/fast and nova more easy
I never could use the earlier versions and started getting same issue in the 3rd version of the endorphin pro..I changed to a regular saucony insole and that seems to have cured it..but I felt like the endorphin pro 3 didn't roll as well as I hoped..it is very comfortable but seems like it takes more energy to push the pace..almost identical to the NB elite V2 with more stack..in my experience these new foams are really finicky about the weight and running form of the individual runner..too soft wears you out and too hard beats you up..so far only the alphafly V1 (with a heel pad) works the best for me when the mileage gets over 10mi or so..I was able make the vaporfly work for me up to 10k by putting a forefoot pad under the insole ..it changes the drop and stops that pain you are getting under the metatarsal area of your foot..if they put 3mm under the forefoot and use the upper and outsole from the alphafly it might be nearly perfect..the changes I made make it my best 5-10k race shoe..
I had the exact problem while training for marathon around 18-20 mile point the hotspot developed on the right foot, I was close to date of houston marathon and tried different shoes as well as I was dreading to run in these for the entire marathon. Don’t get me wrong they are fabulous and my favorite for 10mile run, anyways in the end I deformed not to change shoes right before marathon and ended up running in same shoes, there was hot spot developed again but I pushed through. I see ppl are suggesting to change insole, I’d like to try that, any recommendations on type or brand of insole?
Sauconys insole is pretty slick.. that is the reason for the hotspots. I really love their insoles but cant use them for everything. Try something a bit more coarse.. like novablast 3 insole or nimbus 24, super heavy the nimbus one though.. but both will give you less glide and will probably resolve the hotspot.
I've never had anything but several pairs of V1 and they are kid dynamite! Gave up waiting on Novoblast 3 and decided to try zero drop Altra Rivera 2's. :-)
The same thing happened to me with Speed v2, at around mile 9. Very painful around the ball of my foot. I tried again, and the same thing happened. However, I also bought a half-sized-down version, and it worked perfectly with no issues. With Speed v3, I went back to my original size and so far no problem. Maybe try different sizes and see...?
the first generation of the Speeds were my favorite. i went through 3 pairs of them then decided to get the 2nd generation.... they didn't feel at all the same
I love the way this feels underfoot, but the way the heel curves slightly inward puts pressure on both of my Achilles tendons, so, unfortunately, I don’t think I’ll be able to use it either! Never had this problem with a Saucony shoe before.
A few of my friends who are long-time runners initially loved the 3's but they all are getting blisters on their Achilles and one also is having the hot spot issue you mentioned. They all are buying up the 2's on clearance when given the chance and regret buying the 3's.
@@kofuzi They're getting set up to run Boston again and have completely just gone back to the 2's and regret buying the 3's. We ran a 1k elevation gain 10-mile run today and everyone had their V2's on. Seems everyone has checked out on the 3's.
I had a similar issue during a recent half marathon race I ran as a tune-up for the upcoming Philly Marathon. The course had a series of rolling hills too, so I don't know if that affected anything. It's definitely more stable than previous versions, but I don't think it's an option for my first marathon, looking hard at the Adios Pro 3s now.
first pair the rubber on the right foot wasn't adhered properly and was coming apart from the shoe before I even wore it. second pair same thing but on the opposite foot. third pair no defects but there was no padding between the fabric and the heel cup and got a heel blister. the other two defective pairs both had a very tiny amount of padding between the fabric and heel cup. the third pair was literally fabric glued to plastic. so I'm done with this shoe. edit-btw saucony returns process and customer service is terrible
Only person on the planet that thought the Speed V1/V2 were just meh and overpriced. Definitely to tight in the toebox and I had traction issues on my morning runs with the humidity so high in South GA. Shoes were always slipping on the roads. I am loving the Pro 3 but think I'll just keep using the Prime X for longer marathon mile runs/workouts.
Think you’ve just been unlucky. I did a very undulating half marathon a couple of weeks ago in my speed 3’s and they were excellent even getting me a pb. Prior to this my longest run in them was 7 miles so it was a bit of a gamble going to 13.1 but one I don’t regret.
Maybe a slightly thicker sock might help Steve? I regularly use the Balega mohair quarter sock, love them and have never had a hot spot or blister while wearing them.
Not to alarm anyone. But I think Sketchers just out Cloud' On Cloud shoes. Wait for it (deep breath) the Sketchers Go Run Swirl Tech, made with hyperburst foam is a better shoe than the On Cloud Monster. Change my mind.
I'm running in both- both does daily speeds great. The nova is more on the easy/recovery side of the spectrum and the speed more on the snappy tempo side. Same, but different in strengths:-)
Bummer! I had the same issue with the V1. Hot spot on the left by the pinky toe. I did still logged in over 250 miles on them, but mostly easy stuff or track workouts.
I had the same problem with Asics Novablast 3. I gave this one completely up. It was even worse than your experience with E. speed 3. I couldn't finish my 5 km run in these shoes for the same reason. Something was hurting my forefoot in the left shoe. I got rid of it. I don't think I will purchase a new pair.
Looking at adding the Speed 3 as a training shoe for Olympic Triathlon (10K) & 70.3 Tri (21.1K) to accompany my Pro’s as race day shoe, currently have the speed 2 (runshield, to hot in summer) thinking this will be a good option with a bit more cushioning than the Speed 2.
It didn't seem you had similar issues in either the Endorphin Speed 2 or the Endorphin Pro 3, correct? What are you using for your marathon training and speed training? Are you planning on the Asics Metaspeed again for Chicago? Thanks for all your great videos!
Shoe felt great for short tempo runs ( up to 6/8 k) but after 10 k plus I get really bad heel rub on the right foot - my heel is literally numb - plus it takes on a lot of water and I’ve only had it out 7/8 times - looking at replacing it with the Boston 12 as I’m afraid I’ll injure myself if I run past 10k - still gonna keep It for short fast sessions tho
I haven't tried the 3 but the 2 was a nightmare for my feet. I was taken back because I had heard/read so many positive things about that shoe. Started out with some minor hot spots on both feet. I thought maybe they needed a short break in period, but was wrong. The hotspots turned into my feet going numb after 5 miles in those shoes. I have never had this problem with any other shoes. Definitely will pass on the 3, and kind of avoiding Saucony alltogether now. I was relieved a little to hear that I wasn't the only one not getting along with the E Speeds. Have you tried the ASICS Magic Speed 2 yet? I liked the 1.
I had a similar experience with Clifton 8. everyone raves about them, but just shocking for me personally - caused blisters, rubbed my arch painfully, and gave me extensor tendonitis. Meanwhile, the Endorphin Speed 3 (and 1 and 2) is amazing. I think some shoes just suit certain feet and running styles and not others.
Worth trying to exchange this pair. I had the same thing happen in the Speed 2 and couldn’t get over how this universally loved shoe wasn’t working. I asked Saucony for a replacement pair, and it’s an entirely different experience. I barely put 75 miles in my first pair, but I ran up 200 miles on the second pair real fast. Still going.
u end up loving it too?
Maybe that makes this review even more needed then. Seems Saucony has a QA issue that is more prevalent than they think. With how many shoes Kafuzi has to review it's most likely this will never be re reviewed because there are only so many miles one can put down in a week.
I’ve had all three versions of the Speed & have found this one to be the best yet. Great to have so many choices in the run realm.
I had similar issues with this shoe, recurring nerve pain that I have in my right foot. It comes and goes, but this shoe just agitated it. The thing that helped, was i changed the insole! Works so much better 😊 no problem now with nerve pain
Everyone is different. what works for one doesn't work for another. I happen to love this shoe but thats me. Thanks for the honest review and your true thoughts.
I've taken the Speed 3 on a 20 miler with no issues. Definitely more stable than past versions. I'm also around 190lbs. I typically like to wear smart wool socks with these. My feet seem to bounce around in a shoe with thin socks giving me issues in the toe nail area
I must try using those socks next time I have that issue. Good idea.
This is how felt in the Bondi 7. Everyone that I knew loved it but it gave me blisters on the inside of my arch. Sucks when a shoe works for everyone but you. Anyone, great review.
Same here, I switched up the insoles and it helped a lot. But those hot spots and then blisters are always a blower, hate it!’
I’m so glad you mentioned the toe off issue. I returned mine because I just felt like my left big toe was on the ground when I tried them on.
Same! This shoe maybe a crowd pleaser but not me.
@@fayecooper4277 Seems better for midsole and especially heel strikers.
If you land more laterally on your forefoot then the plate in the Pro 3 will help you land squarely across the forefoot and use the full rocker, whereas the flexibility of the speed is probably resulting in a thin line of foam compressing under the lateral side or the foot and the rocker being essentially bypassed because the foam has compressed too far
100% the shoe of the year. It can do absolutely anything you want. Near perfection
No way man, Novablast 3 is the shoe of the year! It is flawless
I’ve purchased many of the shoes you have reviewed and I have to say, the Endorphin Speed 3 are by far my favorite. I hope they don’t mess this up when Speed 4 comes out. Thanks again for reviewing these!
Glad you’re enjoying them!
The Endorphin Pro 3 is hands down far superior this year, I made the decision not to get the Speed 3 but to get another pair of the Speed 2 just because of how it performed for me and how much I loved running in it during my training runs. “If it ain’t broke!”
I'm confused, if it's far superior why didn't you get it?
@@Kaisersozze I was referring to the Pro 3. I wore both Endorphins, the Speed 2’s and Pro 2’s and loved them. But when I tried on the Speed 3’s in store, just running around the block didn’t blow me away and stayed with the speed 2. When I tried on the Pro 3’s and ran outside the store, it was a huge upgrade I felt from the Pro 2 model and since the purchase I have been so happy to be using them and happy staying with the Speed 2 for training.
@@WhatKeepsMeRunning I see okay. They let you try the shoes outside? Nice.
@@Kaisersozze yeah, Fleet Feet is my go to for trying out new shoes, and the one I typically shop at also will price match if I can find it cheaper online.
Put 500 miles on my pair on my Speed 3’s and I have to say. I feel like the Endorphin Speed 3 is my favorite running shoe I’ve owned. It’s such a top notch “this shoe does whatever you want it to”. Jack of all trades shoe. Tempo, long run (for me that’s a half marathon), short run (any garden variety of 5 or 10k), sprints. I’ve used the Speed 3’s for it all and they have felt great and served me exceedingly well. Enough cushion to be your daily trainer yet lightweight and fast enough to push on your faster/tempo runs. It can do it all. Not tryna sell the damn shoe but I’ve been that impressed by it.
Thanks for the update!
For me works fine, better than the speed 2 . Last Sunday run an half marathon on them and i already did some long runs in them and for now,no issues.
I found the Triumph 20 to be a over all better shoe. I returned the speed 3 as I found the upper wasen't plush enough for my liking and I also found the plate didn't do much in terms of purpulsion but rather just botherd my foot. The Triumph hugs my foot in all the right places and is much more comfortable while maintaining breathability. The midsole is almost identical this iteration between power run + and PB and with the weight loss of the Triumph the ride is very very similar.
This is definitely my new favorite shoe, I think they took a great pace shoe that had some stability issues and turned it into a more stable daily trainer that can go fast and go for long distances. I think this will go down as one of the most versatile shoes in history.
That said I also had some weird feelings in only my right foot at first. That said, I just passed 50 miles this weekend after completing a 10 mile race in which I ran at my HM pace and didn’t have a single issue with hot spots.
For me the hot spot actually is only for the first mile or two then works it’s way out. It’s also gotten better and better with each run, I think it just has a looooong break in period.
I know you may not use it more, but I would be curious to see if the hot spot subsided after 50 to 100 miles in them.
I’ve got around 40 miles on my pair and I also have a strange feeling around the arch on my right foot. Is the same for you? It doesn’t bother me once I start running but I notice it when static
@@lewismckane3672 yes! It’s right around the arch of only my right foot and same thing it feels weird as soon as I put it on, but it quickly goes away and as never caused any “pain.”
It has also gotten quicker at going away the more I use it.
@@gordonsmith6896 I get that on my left foot on adidas pro3 and Adidas Takumi 8. It is freaky. I thought it might be the insoles and when you run you compress them down. Strange it's one foot though.
Full and honest review Kofuzi thank you. I sent my Speed 3’s back after a couple of runs as I just didn’t get that same feel as I did in V2 so bought another pair of them at discount price and paired them up with the new triumph 20 which are fantastic and my shoe of 2022. Hope you get to review them soon? Ian 🇬🇧
I don't think they release over here for another month or so
Great insights. Very unfortunate it didn’t work out for the ES3 for you. Had a totally different experience as I’ve had a very pleasant one for ES3. It got better in terms of cushioning and stability compared to the ES2 and ES1… and I really liked both previous versions. I’d probably pick up the NB3 next year, but for this year… it’s just Saucony combo (Pro3, Speed3 and Triumph20) for me. Good luck on the marathons!✌🏻
Kofusi, I have 365km in my pair of Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 and have noticed the hot spot issue, although not to the extent that you have felt. I originally started using them for my long runs, but they didn't work out. I still use them for my easy runs and they are fine, but the insole is just awful. I have had issues with the insoles on other Endorphin shoes, but nothing like with the Speed 3. I ended up cutting a significant part of the toe of the insole, so the arch support lines up with my foot and then have to push it forward everytime I put the shoe on. I now do my long runs in a pair of Saucony Triumph 20, and this is simply not an issue, as it is with the Speed 3. I have over 650km in a pair of Speed 2s and 1096km and 860km in 2 pair of the original Speeds. My honest opinion is the Speed 3 are similar, but definitely not the same shoe as the earlier versions and I doubt I will buy another pair. As you can see, I am not a casual user of the Endorphin Speed, with over 2600km combined in 3 pair of the 1 and 2, but my greatest fear was realised when I got the Speed 3, that is Saucony ruined them in an attempt to differentiate them from the Pro 3. I turn 64 yo in a week and a half and I am getting a pair of pink Pro 3, so I'm not off the Endorphin range, just disappointed with what Saucony did to the Speed 3. Thanks for the video.
Refreshing to see an honest review 💯
That's sad, such a great shoe. I took the Novablast 3 out for a first run yesterday and that seems comparable to the Endorphin Speed 3. Need another run or two in the Novablast 3 but, after my first run, I would still pick the Endorphin Speed 3.
I don't think there is any stability in the Novablast 3.
So are you returning the Novablast and getting the Speed?
@@Kaisersozze No, I have both and I'm keeping them to rotate.
which one is better? at the moment
@@venkateshwarang5812 endorphin speed 3 is better than the Novablast 3, but I like the Boston 12 over both at the moment.
I've had hot spots in my Vaporfly Next% more than once during training runs, and in the Next% v2 I even developed a huge nasty chafing wound on my achilles heel after only 10K of running, that took 2 weeks to heal. On the other hand, I've also set 3 of my 4 fastest marathon times in them (v1). Sometimes that foot-to-shoe compatibility can be like a roller coaster relationship.
I'm still a fan of the Speed one. it worked, it was light, and fast as almost anything, the cushioning was really adequate for me, never had stability trouble, it just dominated it's price point imo and I got the most out of it.
Title is 👌🏼
I love the Speed 2 but would like a little more stability so I'm excited to grab these once my two pairs of twos wear out. 400 miles on my first pair and they really don't feel much different from my second with 20 miles! Awesome durability
I've bought a bunch of shoes this year and the Speed 3 (to me) is the shoe of the year. Best version of the Speed yet...more stable than the previous versions but still has great pop and turnover. I love it. Beat the NovaBlast 3 for Shoe of the Year
I recognize that a lot of people will feel that way
I just bought these shoes & like them. Def toe box is too narrow for my feet. Love your content! Been binging recently
There's a wide version of the Speed 3
Switch out the insoles Mike. I believe those smooth foam insoles don’t do the shoe any justice. 👍🏼
What sole are you putting back in?
@@someone_in_the_comments.I put the insoles from my Triumphs in. Great insole.
Why have you put the triumphs insole into the speeds? What are the benefits ?
I put the Triumph 20 insoles in all my training shoes. The pbax insole is amazing!
My brother your reviews are crisp and have great shots of your foot-strike. Keep it up 👍
It sounds like the geometry of the speedroll on this version doesn’t match your toe off or some other part of your gait if the hot spot is on the bottom of your foot as you imply (as opposed to a fit issue). I’m more interested in the Endo Pro3 this time around. Tried it on the other day and really liked it. Great colorway too-a deep orange and dark blue combo.
I had exactly the same problem you were describing in the Asics Novablast 2. The shoe feels great for shorter runs, but anything longer and/or faster, I feel like my toes are almost directly on the ground with only minimal cushioning underneath. Anyone else got the same problem on the Nova2?
Found this in the speed 2, opted for a half size down as the larger size didn’t quite find the speed roll quite as smooth.
The speed is a big letdown…. It’s a shame because the pro 3 is AMAZING … and the speed has almost a identical midsole but it’s almost a crime to not put a carbon plate in it.
Shoe of the year for me
Similar issue here with 100mi in them… they’re almost a perfect marathon racer for me other than the ball of left foot hot spot. Replacing the insole which had already flattened out, and changing out the laces and lacing pattern to loosen the forefoot, have helped but not eliminated the issue.
I loved the Speed 2 - The only change I was hoping for in v3 was that the toe box would be slightly roomier. I started to take my new 3's out for a threshold workout yesterday and right away they felt WAY squishier than the 2's. I also have the Tempus so I'm familiar with the PB foam but for some reason this shoe was so marshmallowy. I also have been trying to keep an insertional achilles tendonitis and PF at bay through my marathon training - it's finally subsided but I felt an immediate pain in my right heel so I turned around and switched them out for my Guides. I would have put my 2's on for this workout but they're pretty much worn out. I also felt like the speedroll was a little more forward than the 2's (late stage being the term I guess) but I wonder if that's just my imagination. I'm taking them to the treadmill today for a short optional run just to feel them out without a specific workout on the books to see if they start making more sense for me. Otherwise, I'm almost wishing I had picked up a pair of 2's on sale but maybe in a half-size up to fix the toe box issue.
The toebox issue will never be fixed, as it makes the shoe look ugly, i.e. unfashionable. I cut holes in the toebox, but they only help on short distances. The other day I did a 10k race (that's very short for me), but then spent half a day walking in the shoes and I got beautiful blisters (as I normally do in torpedo-shaped shoes). Unfortunately, I don't have torpedo-shaped feet, so pointy shoes don't fit me.
Thanks for the review! I’m with you on this one . This one went to “retirement” after 26 miles. Hate it.
I’m also a forefoot runner with a clean stride. There’s very little cushion not stability where I land. It runs hot and insane R forefoot pain!! While the mid foot stability is good, the forefoot stability sucks. Anyhow… this one is a write off.
Which shoes do you like?
Love the light stability in this guy, I’ve been taking it on my 20 milers the past two weekends with no ankle issues-something I sadly couldn’t say with the Novablast 2’s 😕 Forefoot of the Speed 3’s is definitely firmer than that of the Novablasts, sad to hear it gave you hot spots!
Glad to hear they added some stability, I thought the speed 1 was okay but needed some stability, quick shoe though.
I'm a huge fan of the Endorphin series so I'm completely bias on these. I fell into the same predicament as you when it came to the Hoka mach 4's. Everyone loved the Mach 4's and I was not a fan. Different shoes for different people. Have a great day!
Glad to finally see other people having issues with this shoe. It just doesn't work for me. No spring no toe off but feels flat and unresponsive. I think it's the plate just not fitting with my foot geometry. My feet feel beaten up when wearing these. Completely different feel to the speed 1+2.
I have a love/hate with this shoe. I did a 20 mile long run in it last week and my feet felt great. however, it is a bit unstable for me and I definitely felt like I was compensating with my ankle strength to avoid pronation (which I normally have no issues with)
You have some of THE BEST produced videos out there, Kofuzi, so much so that I sometimes get distracted from the review content itself as I go, “damn, that bit was so professionally done!!” while
I focus on some production detail…
Haha 😆
Great stuff!! Thank you and keep up the good (and very polished work). Happy running 😊
I experienced the same issue on a 16K@MP. My right foot was fine, but my left foot was hot at the bottom of the foot at position where the metatarsals meet the phalanges. I have a Morton's Neuroma, on my right foot, which necessitates that I find a lockdown without overtightening the front-most part of the lacing. The toe box is a little larger in the Speed 3, which encouraged me to cinch down the front of my left foot, which caused the issue. The following run, I tightened the left foot less, similar to my right foot, and the hot spot vanished.
Love this shoe, however found that I needed to land further back in it. Just completed the Sydney Marathon in it and found it great
Going from Endo Speed 1 to the 3, the main thing I have noticed is the play/give in the upper. And I think this could explain the hotspot issue. If one of your feet is slightly smaller or not as tall as the other, the upper is allowing that foot to move around just a bit more than that foot would like. I experienced this in the V1 in the heel, where if I didn't really lock the shoes down, I get a rubbing on my left heel. Overtime it finally wore a hole in the heel padding in the left shoe, so I retired them at 530KM. I have about 10KM in the Speed 3 so far as easy KMs, but I plan to tighten the shoe just a bit more than I normally would and hope that the upper doesn't start to cause too much play as I start to use it on 20KM+ long runs.
My favorite shoe ever is the ES2. I recently got the Triumph19 and love those as well. I might get the ES3 next.
I have the pressure spot issue with the novablast 3. I Feel like on really long runs, the cushioning would disappeared and felt like I was running barefoot on concrete.
Glad I caught this comment because I'm experiencing the same thing you described here regarding the Novablast 3. My first runs in them were excellent and they felt quite springy. Now I'm about 100 miles in with them and on long runs they feel a bit flat now and the energy return is lost. I'm kinda disappointed.
I have to agree with a few comments here, firstly very expensive, secondly toe issues and thirdly hot spots causing skin calus and blistering, where all issues in Speed 2 for me, no-one seemed to care when it was mentioned, people just shut it down or removed the comments from YT, which is a shame. Even Saucony did not reply to my issues. I have a pair of Speed 2's with over 500 miles in them, many of which where painful, I thought it was my fault ie running form etc, until I saw a specialist & he did gait checks, looked at the my running style and form and he was brutal about the Saucony Shoes, have not used them since. I still do not have my toe nails back yet, it has been several months since I lost 2 of them. I have other shoe manufacture now, no issues at all, 15 miles at the weekend, fairly tired legs, however next morning absolutely fine, Saucony I would be off for 3 days light duties calf issues, ankle issues, blisters etc...This is as real as it gets
Think it's a runner-centric problem as most people I know have had no issues at all with them, definitely number 1 shoe of the year for me!
Aw c’mon!!!! Lol, I here you. Took mine out on a 15 mile run and my feet felt it afterwards. I did however enjoy my brand new New Balance Fresh Foam 1080 v11 and loved the comfort! To heavy for speed/race days.
Great work on the review Ko ! I had a pair of Speed V1's and loved them, everything worked so well, true to size UK6. I then bought a Pair of V2's on sale and some V3's when they released. I ran a couple of half marathons in the V2's and had exactly the same issue. I don't know what the problem was but after around 10k's my right foot started to ache, hotspots, to then point where I was adjusting my gait and landed up with a bruised nail and painful all across the metatarsals. I figured it was just the upper/lockdown/width ?? and because i'm a believer, bought the V3's in the hope they would just work, be more plush - but alas, this was not the case. Really gutted that this happened to me and landed up switching to my Vaporfly's for the remainder of my summer races and training in my Mach4's. I thought it was just me and wanted that same V1 feeling, but interesting that it is not only me.
WHAT? 😵 I adore the past versions of the ES (minus the durability factor, which still is very poor & should be addressed) Nonetheless your comments are always appreciated Kofusi 👌
Much nicer colourway than the all blue version, very honest review, first setback for the endorphin speed line up
I think I prefer the 2 .. finding a little too much heel in the 3 but nothing you can't adapt to (that is why it is called "training").. nothing wrong with the foam .. the stretchy laces - but the room on the forefoot is perfect
I love love this shoe…. I first broke the 20 min mark in the 5km in this shoe… run 19min something every PR now and I’m looking to do 18 something before Christmas… sorry my comments are for Pro 3.
I was just about to decide endorphin speed 3 or Novablast 3. Thank you for the review. ASICS shoe never gave me hotspot or any injuries in my daily mileage. I ran in nimbus series. It was fantastic for daily mileage. I ran in glideride series and metaspeed sky for the race. It never occurred any hotspot. But I was just thinking to change to other brand to know how it feels in other foam formulation. But I don't think I would cause marathon race is just around the corner. After hearing this I just stick to flytefoam formula as it works best to my foot. Nimbus/glideride for daily mileage n metaspeed for the race
I don't have any hotspots or discomfort, but I will say that I like v1 and v2 better. I feel like Saucony removed the magic from this shoe by trying to make it more for the masses. It doesn't have the same pop and the added width and weight just isn't necessary for neutral runners. Oh, and the laces are terrible! Don't get me wrong, still a good shoe, just a step back in my opinion.
I like the laces on the 3. My 2s only have 100mi on them but look like they've done 500. The flat laces have frayed due to all the friction, the color way has all bled together and the upper just looks all misshapen. The 3s feel like putting on a luxury car instead of a warn out beater, I've already put more miles in them than the 2s.
I do think I preferred the ride in the 1s, but I definitely like the 3s over the 2s personally.
I love my two pairs of speed twos. My pro Twos have a hot spot under the left ball of my foot on longer runs every single time. I cannot use them without two socks on my left foot.
I have all 3 versions and by far this is the best speed yet ..hands down
Clocked so many miles in the endorphin speed 2 can't wait to try the 3s hope I'm not let down
I never have a problem with going against the popular opinion. Everyone's feet are very different so what works for some maybe a train wreck for others. The key for me is to find a reviewer with a similar sized foot length and width then try a shoe they reccomend. If I have similar results to what they found then I know it's a reviewer that works for my foot type.
Love this shoe. Really fast. I’m a 270lb runner and speed 3 is comfortable.
That’s great to hear!
I absolutely love my endorphins speed 2. The pro -3; Sat Ran 8 treadmill miles and they were okay. Sun ran 16 road miles. They were awful. I felt pings & pains all over my legs & feet. Legs didn’t feel fresh. Not my favorite. Love the color.
I don't understand why other people aren't bothered by how lumpy the Endorphin series is. Thanks for bringing it up
It's got lumps like I've got marbles lodged under my heel on either side and then under the ball of the foot. Maybe the uncomfortableness goes away after so many miles? I've tried ordered multiple shoes of the Speed 2 and Speed 3 and they all end up feeling really off. I really wanted to be able to use this shoe since it has such great reviews and love from everyone it seems
Boston? I'm part of the Zoom Fly 3/4 cult faithful who need a replacement. They still sound too soft but maybe split duties with the Kinvara (shorter, faster). We'll see. Only got about 500 miles left on my 4 Zoom Fly's so we have time to see how stable they are over time. #bigbonedflatfootedrunner
I think the worst part about the speed 3 is that it almost has a identical midsole to the pro 3 yet it feels dead because of no carbon fiber plate… it should be a crime to not put that kind of plate in the midsole the speed 3 has… also the pro 3 has waaay more rubber. The pro 3 has a waaay more lively of a ride. More breathable,better laces… and one of the most important things is the back ankle fits more secure imo then the speed 3 does. I wouldn’t recommend the speed 3 to anybody. I know people are going to “not want a super shoe” but seriously just buy the pro 3… even for your non hardcore miles. I run in the pro 3 a couple miles a day … even walk. It’s better in every way then the speed 3. The speed 3 has a major identity crisis because there’s just too much foam to not NOT have a carbon plate
It really does feel close to the pavement as you roll through the toes. Fine with me as long it doesn't pack down over the miles.
Nylon plate seems to go unnoticed, as you mention.
Overall, I enjoy as an occassional trainer. Pretty cool
it's a great shoe. I just wish it didn't give me that foot pain. I'll be testing to see what kind of runs I can get away with in them, as I do enjoy the shoe when it's not hurting my foot
@@kofuzi Yup. It took me some time to get used to the used to the wings on the nylon plate. Slowly endearing itself to me😄. Cheers, Mate
Ever considered you might have some metatarsalgia from running so much on the forefoot?
I tend to have hot spots with pretty much all shoes till my feed adjust to the shoe, with Speed 3 this process was quite quick compared to other shoes in the past. p.s. I remember having this issue for the first time with Altra Torin 2.5 and you also got that.
I love this shoe… I even love the Speed 2…. Ordered Nova Blast 3…. Waiting to see if there will be a huge difference
I love this shoe at up to the 10k, at about 15k I also had a hot spot in the right foot. I pushed to 20k and that was the limit that could physically handle, but oh my what a great shoe at up 10k.
Finally some one with the same issue like me…..first time i hear some negatives….but thats the reality in my case aswell…..
You’re predominantly a forefoot striker (noticeable in video and I believe you have reported this yourself in previous vids).
Would you say your experience in running shoes would vary greatly from the general running community (midfoot/heel strikers)?
I take your reviews with a grain of salt because of this but still love your channel man.
I agree with you here....his running technique seems flawed and very if not too much on the forefront and to utilize a rocker system would demand a more gradual rear mid landing before any forefront toe off....I have noticed this a lot in his vids and it looks very demanding and injury inducing to run with this technique.
I’m finding heel counter is digging into my left heel & achilles but not my right (when I walk in it not while running). Didn’t have any issues w prev models but lockdown is better in this version. Overall, I prefer the v3 ride over v2 but the v3 upper and tongue material feel warmer IMO. That’s fine for fall but prefer material they used in v1 and even v2 for breathability.
That pain in the toes is something that’s existed for me in the original speed too. Love the shoe but I’ll get the same pain every run
I was deciding between this shoe and the Novablast 3. And I’ll be ordering the Novablast 3, thanks for the honest review and consistently great content 😎🤘
I got both and been rotating them- if you have already done a lot of running get the speed 3. If you just building your base get the nova. But do tempo but the speed is more peppy/fast and nova more easy
I never could use the earlier versions and started getting same issue in the 3rd version of the endorphin pro..I changed to a regular saucony insole and that seems to have cured it..but I felt like the endorphin pro 3 didn't roll as well as I hoped..it is very comfortable but seems like it takes more energy to push the pace..almost identical to the NB elite V2 with more stack..in my experience these new foams are really finicky about the weight and running form of the individual runner..too soft wears you out and too hard beats you up..so far only the alphafly V1 (with a heel pad) works the best for me when the mileage gets over 10mi or so..I was able make the vaporfly work for me up to 10k by putting a forefoot pad under the insole ..it changes the drop and stops that pain you are getting under the metatarsal area of your foot..if they put 3mm under the forefoot and use the upper and outsole from the alphafly it might be nearly perfect..the changes I made make it my best 5-10k race shoe..
The nylon plate provides stability for the high stack.
I had the exact problem while training for marathon around 18-20 mile point the hotspot developed on the right foot, I was close to date of houston marathon and tried different shoes as well as I was dreading to run in these for the entire marathon. Don’t get me wrong they are fabulous and my favorite for 10mile run, anyways in the end I deformed not to change shoes right before marathon and ended up running in same shoes, there was hot spot developed again but I pushed through.
I see ppl are suggesting to change insole, I’d like to try that, any recommendations on type or brand of insole?
Sauconys insole is pretty slick.. that is the reason for the hotspots. I really love their insoles but cant use them for everything. Try something a bit more coarse.. like novablast 3 insole or nimbus 24, super heavy the nimbus one though.. but both will give you less glide and will probably resolve the hotspot.
Uh oh...get the pitchforks ready! Mike's in trouble haha!
Because it is a direct competition to novablast 3?
I've never had anything but several pairs of V1 and they are kid dynamite! Gave up waiting on Novoblast 3 and decided to try zero drop Altra Rivera 2's. :-)
The same thing happened to me with Speed v2, at around mile 9. Very painful around the ball of my foot. I tried again, and the same thing happened. However, I also bought a half-sized-down version, and it worked perfectly with no issues. With Speed v3, I went back to my original size and so far no problem. Maybe try different sizes and see...?
the first generation of the Speeds were my favorite. i went through 3 pairs of them then decided to get the 2nd generation.... they didn't feel at all the same
I think a totally valid thing for people to do is to buy multiple pairs of a shoe that works for them
Training questions: Do you have a coach? What marathon training schedules do you follow?
I love the way this feels underfoot, but the way the heel curves slightly inward puts pressure on both of my Achilles tendons, so, unfortunately, I don’t think I’ll be able to use it either! Never had this problem with a Saucony shoe before.
A few of my friends who are long-time runners initially loved the 3's but they all are getting blisters on their Achilles and one also is having the hot spot issue you mentioned. They all are buying up the 2's on clearance when given the chance and regret buying the 3's.
I prefer v1 to v2
@@kofuzi They're getting set up to run Boston again and have completely just gone back to the 2's and regret buying the 3's. We ran a 1k elevation gain 10-mile run today and everyone had their V2's on. Seems everyone has checked out on the 3's.
I like the Puma Deviate NITRO Elite 2 better. They are faster and you can get them cheaper and they have better grip
It’s nice that they exist (they didn’t at the time I made this video)
I had a similar issue during a recent half marathon race I ran as a tune-up for the upcoming Philly Marathon. The course had a series of rolling hills too, so I don't know if that affected anything. It's definitely more stable than previous versions, but I don't think it's an option for my first marathon, looking hard at the Adios Pro 3s now.
first pair the rubber on the right foot wasn't adhered properly and was coming apart from the shoe before I even wore it. second pair same thing but on the opposite foot. third pair no defects but there was no padding between the fabric and the heel cup and got a heel blister. the other two defective pairs both had a very tiny amount of padding between the fabric and heel cup. the third pair was literally fabric glued to plastic. so I'm done with this shoe. edit-btw saucony returns process and customer service is terrible
Only person on the planet that thought the Speed V1/V2 were just meh and overpriced. Definitely to tight in the toebox and I had traction issues on my morning runs with the humidity so high in South GA. Shoes were always slipping on the roads. I am loving the Pro 3 but think I'll just keep using the Prime X for longer marathon mile runs/workouts.
Think you’ve just been unlucky. I did a very undulating half marathon a couple of weeks ago in my speed 3’s and they were excellent even getting me a pb. Prior to this my longest run in them was 7 miles so it was a bit of a gamble going to 13.1 but one I don’t regret.
Maybe a slightly thicker sock might help Steve? I regularly use the Balega mohair quarter sock, love them and have never had a hot spot or blister while wearing them.
Not to alarm anyone. But I think Sketchers just out Cloud' On Cloud shoes. Wait for it (deep breath) the Sketchers Go Run Swirl Tech, made with hyperburst foam is a better shoe than the On Cloud Monster. Change my mind.
I'm wondering about the source of the hot spots: snug fit? shape? I'd like to see a shoe battle though: Novablast 3 vs. Speed 3. :)
I'm running in both- both does daily speeds great. The nova is more on the easy/recovery side of the spectrum and the speed more on the snappy tempo side. Same, but different in strengths:-)
@@palmyarmyswim How does the fit compare? Is the Speed 3 more snug in the toe box?
Bummer! I had the same issue with the V1. Hot spot on the left by the pinky toe. I did still logged in over 250 miles on them, but mostly easy stuff or track workouts.
I had the same problem with Asics Novablast 3. I gave this one completely up. It was even worse than your experience with E. speed 3. I couldn't finish my 5 km run in these shoes for the same reason. Something was hurting my forefoot in the left shoe. I got rid of it. I don't think I will purchase a new pair.
Looking at adding the Speed 3 as a training shoe for Olympic Triathlon (10K) & 70.3 Tri (21.1K) to accompany my Pro’s as race day shoe, currently have the speed 2 (runshield, to hot in summer) thinking this will be a good option with a bit more cushioning than the Speed 2.
It didn't seem you had similar issues in either the Endorphin Speed 2 or the Endorphin Pro 3, correct? What are you using for your marathon training and speed training? Are you planning on the Asics Metaspeed again for Chicago? Thanks for all your great videos!
I had the same issue at 3 miles. 2 runs the same hot spots returned them. Went to the speed 2 no hot spots.
first encountered the hot spot on my left forefoot in a 10k run, it started around the 7k mark. other than that while doing 5k its fine.
Good info on the Speed 3. Thanks for sharing your experience. Can I ask what singlet you're wearing in this video? (Timestamp 10:37) Thanks!
Shoe felt great for short tempo runs ( up to 6/8 k) but after 10 k plus I get really bad heel rub on the right foot - my heel is literally numb - plus it takes on a lot of water and I’ve only had it out 7/8 times - looking at replacing it with the Boston 12 as I’m afraid I’ll injure myself if I run past 10k - still gonna keep It for short fast sessions tho
I haven't tried the 3 but the 2 was a nightmare for my feet. I was taken back because I had heard/read so many positive things about that shoe. Started out with some minor hot spots on both feet. I thought maybe they needed a short break in period, but was wrong. The hotspots turned into my feet going numb after 5 miles in those shoes. I have never had this problem with any other shoes. Definitely will pass on the 3, and kind of avoiding Saucony alltogether now. I was relieved a little to hear that I wasn't the only one not getting along with the E Speeds. Have you tried the ASICS Magic Speed 2 yet? I liked the 1.
I had a similar experience with Clifton 8. everyone raves about them, but just shocking for me personally - caused blisters, rubbed my arch painfully, and gave me extensor tendonitis. Meanwhile, the Endorphin Speed 3 (and 1 and 2) is amazing. I think some shoes just suit certain feet and running styles and not others.