Think about this, the 185 grain 9mm is 160% heavier than the standard 115 grain variety. Given that same percentage, that’s a 288 vs 180 for .40 or an amazing 368 vs 230 for .45.
"velocity stable" LOL. No shart Shurlock, it's going to be seated really deep so you simply won't have the powder capacity to push it faster, you're all burned up in 4". Simple science there, tiny powder charge (even 147 gr 9mm is same or less powder charge than standard pressure .38 Special) + upwards of 35,000 PSI pressure is a recipe for a very very quick burn.
Well cuz of the harsh kickback that +P round gives you on pistols especially on compact and sub-compacts. So if this will give you more of a kick of that of a +P then it's not worth it since +P rounds already wear out pistol barrels a lot !
@@nightbreed141 I see stuff like this aiming more towards the PCC and rifle type pistols with braces and suppressors on the market. Obviously it works with handguns but it's subsonic ammo and you're likely going to use it suppressed even with a pistol, so subcompacts arent likely to be fed this ammo
@@nightbreed141 InRangeTV did a video on this. The sales rep guy said they use a slower burning powder to counteract the harsh recoil and instead turn it into a backwards push. Ian and Karl seemed to agree that it is very pleasant to shoot. I think besides the wear the slower burning powder may be more useful in full-sized pistols over subcompacts.
That is there own casing, the rim is steel and offers a machined cup allowing them more room for powder due to the longer bullet. I think we talked about it off camera.
I'm a bullet caster as are many other gun owner/shooters. I can cast and load 9mm cartridges to do basically what these guys want twenty-nine bucks for. My hand loads are pennies on the dollar compared to these. There are actually some of us who haven't bought store bought ammo in years. What's with the red bottomed cases? Are they reloadable?
@@borkwoof696 Short answer; yes I do cast hollow points. One of the first bullet molds I purchased was a 45 caliber Lyman Devastator mold. They also make 9mm mold. It's a mold that cast hollow pointed bullets. Google it. I also fabricated an adjustable hollow pointing spud that allows me to increase or decrease the depth of the hollow point in order to get the bullet to expand or penetrate as needed. Here is pic of what I'm talking about. instagram.com/p/Bgux527BdsO/
Yes, they are reloadable, but you need specific dies. It's a 2 part case that is both lighter & significantly stronger than brass. You can purchase these cases as reloading components on their own. You get A LOT of reloads out of them.
Does the cavity on the hollow point seem kinda shallow to anyone else? It’s possible that the lack of expansion may have nothing to do with the increased weight and everything to do with just having a bad hollowpoint design. It looks like when someone uses a philips head to make hollow points out of .22s, which doesn’t work.
Now I'm just worried of the kickback. The harsh kickback that +P round gives you on pistols especially on compact and sub-compacts. So if this will give you more of a kick of that of a +P then it's not worth it since +P rounds already wear out pistol barrels a lot !
+P doesn't wear out barrels. Pistol barrels are damn near impossible to wear out. Guns that aren't made for +P can have accelerated wear, but it's not the barrel that you have to worry about.
How about training with whatever you have so you can put shots where they need to go, and in my opinion the cheaper the ammo the better. 9mm is a no brainer in my eyes.
I'm sorry but I want a 25 grain 380 or 9mm that goes 2,600 fps out of glock barrel,easy to carry multiple mags,low recoil,velocity is king,better flatter trajectory,less material lower the price.
@@dcbp0025 grains in a 35 caliber projectile is too light, but the guy at least is right in principle. The way to increase energy is velocity, not mass.
9mm guys have severe identity issues. ".40 & .45 are too snappy" 😭 "9mm hits just as hard as .40 & .45" Now it will be "185gr 9mm hits as hard as .40 but with a few more rounds" ever thought maybe you should learn to shoot better?!?! 😂😂😂
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Think about this, the 185 grain 9mm is 160% heavier than the standard 115 grain variety. Given that same percentage, that’s a 288 vs 180 for .40 or an amazing 368 vs 230 for .45.
I think you meant 60% heavier
i dont think you mathed real good there
the state of us education
357 sig 🤔
But 115 is light for caliber in 9mm, 180 and 230 are heavy for caliber in .40 and .45
"velocity stable" LOL. No shart Shurlock, it's going to be seated really deep so you simply won't have the powder capacity to push it faster, you're all burned up in 4". Simple science there, tiny powder charge (even 147 gr 9mm is same or less powder charge than standard pressure .38 Special) + upwards of 35,000 PSI pressure is a recipe for a very very quick burn.
I don’t know for sure but to my knowledge they use a special slow burning powder at least that’s what I’ve heard
I never thought about it like that. Thanks.
So they made a slow 10mm or .40
Should have mentioned the NAS Shellshock cases which is what made this bullet happen.
Now what about the .45acp they are developing?? Any news about that yet?
and the 2 1/2 oz. 12 ga round.....
WHO WOULDNT WANT THE MOST POTENT SUBSONIC AMMO THEY CAN GET IF THEY ARE SHOOTING SUPPRESSED WEAPONS
Well cuz of the harsh kickback that +P round gives you on pistols especially on compact and sub-compacts. So if this will give you more of a kick of that of a +P then it's not worth it since +P rounds already wear out pistol barrels a lot !
@@nightbreed141 I see stuff like this aiming more towards the PCC and rifle type pistols with braces and suppressors on the market. Obviously it works with handguns but it's subsonic ammo and you're likely going to use it suppressed even with a pistol, so subcompacts arent likely to be fed this ammo
@@nightbreed141 InRangeTV did a video on this. The sales rep guy said they use a slower burning powder to counteract the harsh recoil and instead turn it into a backwards push. Ian and Karl seemed to agree that it is very pleasant to shoot. I think besides the wear the slower burning powder may be more useful in full-sized pistols over subcompacts.
How about the elephant in the room the red rim piece?
That is there own casing, the rim is steel and offers a machined cup allowing them more room for powder due to the longer bullet. I think we talked about it off camera.
The sig ngsw rifle uses a similar case, i think we will see these become more and more popular in premium ammo if no issues occur
I'm a bullet caster as are many other gun owner/shooters. I can cast and load 9mm cartridges to do basically what these guys want twenty-nine bucks for. My hand loads are pennies on the dollar compared to these. There are actually some of us who haven't bought store bought ammo in years.
What's with the red bottomed cases? Are they reloadable?
Do you cast hollow points?
@@borkwoof696 Short answer; yes I do cast hollow points. One of the first bullet molds I purchased was a 45 caliber Lyman Devastator mold. They also make 9mm mold. It's a mold that cast hollow pointed bullets. Google it.
I also fabricated an adjustable hollow pointing spud that allows me to increase or decrease the depth of the hollow point in order to get the bullet to expand or penetrate as needed.
Here is pic of what I'm talking about. instagram.com/p/Bgux527BdsO/
Yes, they are reloadable, but you need specific dies.
It's a 2 part case that is both lighter & significantly stronger than brass.
You can purchase these cases as reloading components on their own.
You get A LOT of reloads out of them.
Best ammo for the MP5
I picked up 21 rounds today for $22. 7/6/2020
shit where lol
heavier doesn't hit harder if it's moving slower. Stupid idea.... Notice they don't mention the ft lbs energy.
Incredible this could change a lot
I loaded this stuff into my Glock 19x and it’s heavy af. Slide had some
Trouble loading into the chamber too. Anyone else have that issue?
I've seen the pcc only stuff for sale, what happens if you shoot it through a pistol?
it goes BOOM!
In most pistols, nothing will happen besides more recoil than you're used to.
If you use it in a cheaper pistol, it could fail.
Does the cavity on the hollow point seem kinda shallow to anyone else? It’s possible that the lack of expansion may have nothing to do with the increased weight and everything to do with just having a bad hollowpoint design. It looks like when someone uses a philips head to make hollow points out of .22s, which doesn’t work.
might be a trick of the camera, my buddy has these and theyre about as deep as the sig hollow points
Now I'm just worried of the kickback. The harsh kickback that +P round gives you on pistols especially on compact and sub-compacts. So if this will give you more of a kick of that of a +P then it's not worth it since +P rounds already wear out pistol barrels a lot !
+p Dosent recoil that much at all
+P doesn't wear out barrels.
Pistol barrels are damn near impossible to wear out.
Guns that aren't made for +P can have accelerated wear, but it's not the barrel that you have to worry about.
if your saying "Heavier hits harder" just go with a .40 or even better a .45acp that will hit a lot harder...
Doing that lowers your capacity ;-)
@@wadewilson6135 ...while adding weight and size of the firearm its self.
How about training with whatever you have so you can put shots where they need to go, and in my opinion the cheaper the ammo the better. 9mm is a no brainer in my eyes.
.40 hurdurrr
I'm sorry but I want a 25 grain 380 or 9mm that goes 2,600 fps out of glock barrel,easy to carry multiple mags,low recoil,velocity is king,better flatter trajectory,less material lower the price.
a 9mm 25 grain would be made of aluminum foil and wont pierce a papertowel roll...
@@dcbp00 lol wouldn’t even pierce a single sheet
@@dcbp0025 grains in a 35 caliber projectile is too light, but the guy at least is right in principle.
The way to increase energy is velocity, not mass.
Heavier does hit harder
Can you guys make videos on TACTICS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
NewGunGuy sure any requests
3 bundles of fleece will stop it
Forreal?
@@ant5747 paul harrell
If it's not exceptional why not just get a 40 if it means that much.
Carry these everyday im my ruger american compact 9🔥💥
9mm guys have severe identity issues.
".40 & .45 are too snappy" 😭
"9mm hits just as hard as .40 & .45"
Now it will be "185gr 9mm hits as hard as .40 but with a few more rounds" ever thought maybe you should learn to shoot better?!?! 😂😂😂