I’m a woman, when iron man came out I fell in love with the MCU. I love Tony Stark, I loved how he changed from player to hero, I love his sarcasm and humor, I loved how even with his flaws he still learned and grew. I loved captain America, I was excited for Thor, then black widow, then Hulk. It never crossed my mind that I needed to be represented in this
Same! I can't understand why people need to see their race or gender on screen to be able to relate to a fictional character. I love most of the marvel heroes, and I'm an asian woman. Tbh, I don't really like shang chi and the awkward woman
Thing is, women have been pretty strong characters in the MCU all along. They're just being hamfisted about it now. Endgame showcased all the women in that cheesy scene toward the end, but it only proved that women have been an important component all along.
@therotten6152 amen! I would say it's a bad time to be a man right now, but honestly the media and internet aren't actually representing our actual reality IRL. I don't experience these problems out in the real world, and I think it's so strange that this agenda is trying to convince people otherwise. No one really gains anything from it. As long as people are around other physical human beings and leave the house to grocery shop or blow of steam on a regular basis, it's very apparent that the real world is not at all what they are trying to portay.
I'm a private English tutor - I literally teach kids how to write their own books. I use the MsheU, the star wars sequels and of course, pretty much all of modern Hollywood's storytelling skills frequently as an example of what NOT to do.
I very much hate the Sequel Trilogy so I'm wondering: as a private English tutor, what specifically do you not like about them? I just hate it because I think it ruins every story that came before it. I'm curious as to what you don't like.
Hawkeye was literally the only one that did female “torch passing” well. She was a very flawed character unlike all the other perfect females that make no mistakes and have no flaws
@Elijah Yes! I thought Kate was goofy but she was likable and understandable, (she honestly should have died in the last episode but I suppose I can give that a pass), and her and Yelena were amazing! I only made it through episode 1 of she-hulk....
What I also liked about Kate is that she tried her hardest to uplift Hawkeye who clearly needed help because of all the trauma he endured. She didn't verbally joust him on a daily basis just because he's a dude and she was never disappointed in him even though he was in on of the lowest points of his life. She simply loved Hawkeye/Clint and was a true fam of him.
I agree! But... i also think they did well with ms marvel lmao for me she is such a funny character and i can relate to her as im a muslim and a BIG fan of the mcu and she has her flaws i rlly think i saw that in the marvels when she realised she couldnt save everyone and i felt so bad Alsooooo shuri IS SUCH A GOOD CHARACTER OMFG I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE DISLIKE HER LIKE HER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IS SO GOOD IN WAKANDA FOREVER OMG HER LOSING HER ENTRIE FAMILY AND LEARNING SHE HAS TO BE THE BLACK PANTHER CMON YALL I do agree with she hulk and captain marvel and a few others tho
The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, and Mauler are great people to check out if you haven't yet. They talk out stuff like this, and are really smart in this field. The Critical Drinker is a writer himself and is making his first film based on his own books. They all tried to warn people this was happening, but people did not listen. One of the most annoying things about something like the M-SHE-U is that they are horrible written characters. Like at least write female characters that are good, but they tripped on that hurdle and face planted.
@@holyassasin5202yes I see your point I’m talking about how if you look at marvels original movies and how amusing they were and look at these movies that r focused on politics more than the people that’s what is sad
They force these awful characters down our throats when they already had awesome female characters. The Agent Carter show was incredible and is still my favorite MCU show, but they canceled it 🤨 My friends and I (teenage girls at the time) LOVED going to the theater and watching the latest Marvel movie. We would come up with theories and talked about it constantly. It's amazing how fast it all went downhill after Endgame. It's like they completely stopped caring about story and characters and just throw stuff out as fast as possible and hope it makes them a lot of money. It's sad.
Not an AoS fan? :) I know Hayley Atwell won dubsmash war, but still... AoS I consider the "most perfect" show that exists. I just hope those characters won't return to this train wreck of a cinematic universe. That would just leave me with everlasting depression. XD Here's the trailer if it's needed: ruclips.net/video/DiVvCnPia_E/видео.html
I'm so happy to see someone loved Agent Carter as much as me! That show deserved at the very least another season. It ended on a cliffhanger and never addressed it anywhere in the MCU again.
I loved Agent Carter. Peggy was a strong female character but was also feminine and wasent created at being the bestest ever. Plus they had really good female villains with Whitney and Dottie.
@@legacy756 Not meaning to start a fight, but I feel it started with the first Avenger, Captain America. :) (I'm talking timeline wise. Tony's movie did come first!)
01:07 "...It's just Marvel Heroes..." is how things used to be before Hollywood started forcing everyone to acknowledge that "these are the female heroes and that's the black hero and blah blah". When Avengers came out in 2012, Black Widow was one of the core 6 Avengers. She wasn't seen as representation, or just a political tool. She was a cool character that everyone loved along side the other Avengers. Apparently, us fans wanted to get a Black Widow movie more than Disney wanted to make one. I swear Hollywood haas their own prejudices that they try to project onto the rest of the world, and it irritates me. It's like they rob a bank, then lecture everyone else about why you shouldn't rob a bank. It wasn't until Black Panther became "the first black Marvel superhero" and Captain Marvel became "the first female superhero" that things started to get dumb. Not just because both claims were wrong: Blade existed in Hollywood long before Black Panther, and Wonder Woman came out not long before Captain Marvel. But things got dumb because we were clearly leaving the realm of good natured, fun movies... and entering the realm of MCU becoming another tool to push politics. The MCU officially became the M-SHE-U at the end of Endgame during that final battle scene where apparently only the women could get the gauntlet away from Thanos... literally every woman in the MCU and not a single man... the couldn't have been more in-your-face with it. They're the ones separating the heroes into "male hero" and "female hero".
just like the me too movement. Hollywood is full of sick people projecting their sick crap unto the rest of the world. I've got no doubt that Hollywood treats women poorly off camera. the thing is, the rest of America doesn't. I'm sick of those freaks that are perpetuating all this discrimination and grooming, lecturing the rest of us about it.
People like the Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic and us audience who are smart enough to see these things have tried to warn and tell people about this but no one listens to us. So this is what people will have to live with now.🤦♂️😓
YES! They are both brilliant! People may think it's childish to care about Marvel or Star Wars, but heroes matter, lessons matter, and stories are how a culture comes ro understand itself. Change the stories and you change the culture. If we want to take our country back, we need to take our stories back.
Yep i heard some person in the movie theater talking about it after they came out of the new Avatar movie they said it was "better than the stuff the MSheU has been putting out"
Brett should have Gary (Nerdrotic) on her show for an interview. This stuff has been Gary’s whole life. Brett is just kinda coming into this. Would just be an interesting conversation and I believe Gary deserves more exposure. He had an interview with Amala on Prager U and it was pretty good. Gary got the label of right wing extremist for saying things like… why can’t guys be cool in superhero movies anymore? And… Saying there’s a left wing bias in the film industry. P.S. for anyone who likes Gary you’d probably like Clownfish TV too. The husband and wife who do the channel are adamant moderates and cover things like Disney and all that stuff pretty fairly.
I like how all the women in the MCU are either just a copy of the original superhero such as captain America, iron man, Thor, etc, or just an “I’m better than you” character (captain marvel), which they all are to an extent.
A lot of heroes are like that though Batwoman, Batgirl, Robin, Superboy, Supergirl, Ms Martian, there was a female Green Lantern in the comics, Shazam also has female versions. Every hero has some type of copy cat
@@MogajiMohammed To the OPs point though how many characters go the reverse route of an amazing female character inspiring male offshoots? Not many, if any to my knowledge, for the simple reason that heroes, comics, etc. tends to be a space dominated by men. Not because of some stupid buzzword but just for the simple fact more men are drawn to those types of stories.
Sadly, I don't think this is likely. Such transformations are one direction only, and then when that fails it's not due to anything they did it's us darn misogynistic fans that just can't accept a "better" more enlightened story.
As someone who was an avid marvel from india i just stopped caring about the mcu and all my friends who were into it also stopped talking about it. And people who do watch it occasionally have poor opinion of their recent stuff.
I'm an older teen girl who mostly started watching the MCU so I'd have something to bond over/talk about with my younger brother. I think it's wild to try to get a larger teenage girl audience with what they're doing. This is anecdotal, but most of my girl friends were already way bigger fans of the MCU before they added all these female heroes. Since Marvel is apparently trying to appeal to my age group, here are some of my thoughts on some of the more recent female characters. I honestly liked Yelena and Kate Bishop in Hawkeye. She-hulk is perhaps the most insufferable show I've ever watched and imo only appeals to depressed millennials lol. Wanda was cool until the writers never let her grow out of her central problem/flaw. Female Loki and the Loki show were boring imo, Captain Marvel could've been better if they weren't so focused on making her be a girl boss, and I personally would rather get more Agent Carter than Captain Carter content. Lady Thor felt like it was just randomly added with no real purpose, but overall this latest Thor movie felt really unnecessary in the first place. Agent Carter was a great representation of a powerful woman and I loved her show. When I look for a good female qlead, they don't need big muscles or powers to show they're strong. Agent Carter had class and was competent all without powers. Plus it was set in a time where women still had to deal with a society that treated them as lesser in the workplace, not whatever "severe oppression" women are facing now. It's still possible to write good female characters, but to do that your focus must be to write good characters regardless of gender. Captain America will always be my favorite MCU character because I loved how he was written and what the character stood for. I think another problem for Marvel in general is they're flooding the market with too much content. Because of the wokeness plus too much content to keep up with, my brother and I are not as interested anymore. A bunch of my girl friends who used to be much bigger fans of the MCU have distanced themselves because we're becoming adults and don't have time to sit around watching the latest D+ show anymore. Sorry for all that writing lol.
It sounds to me like they are pushing wokeness for SJW reasons, but it doesn't sell, so they are trying to put out lots of movies to make up for low sales on each one. It's a losing strategy, but they are stubborn ideologues, and not likely to stop until disney completely crashes and burns, and goes out of business.
You know I think that may be another reason why marvel now is failing, us as teenagers saw all the films and now that we’re getting older and becoming adults, we’re not sitting around binging all 3 new marvel shows that come out every week. Plus the woke crap.
Your points are all very valid. I agree that Kate Bishop was written very well. She had an arc where she made mistakes, learned from them, and overcome personal obstacles to become a better 'hero', and she didn't have to ruin Clint's character to do it. She actually fought alongside him as equals. That said a lot about the creative team doing their job. I enjoyed Agent Carter as well, and I thought they could do a lot more by allowing that series to continue. They really have lost touch with what is good and flooded the market with lower quality productions. Their zeal, combined with a woke attitude, have gotten the better of them and have ruined enjoyment for their once fans.
To be fair on Black Panther, the story wasn’t supposed to be that way. Chadwick dying caused that pivot. Otherwise all of the other ones pictures are totally valid. I will say Captain Marvel catches too much flack because of Bri Larson and the writers lol
Yeah, I don't get as mad at Wakanda Forever because I really like Letitia Wright, and think the cast and crew truly wanted to make a good movie to honor Chadwick. His passing was a tragedy. Kate wasn't horrible either, pretty decent compared to some in fact. Maybe it's just the actors saving some of these, like Florence Pugh is gold and I'm a-ok with more of her in the future. Can it just be her and Kate and Shuri? XD
As a big fan, I’m still just happy with the Infinity Saga that we did get. It’s quite incredible that they put together a cohesive 20+ movie story. Yet they couldn’t take two steps forward in any one direction with the new Star Wars trilogy.
Based on the characters death, and Chadwick's passing, I don't Think or think anyone else should have a problem with shuri being the new black panther and wakanda forever confirmed that, but I agree there is an issue with captain Marvel and she Hulk are an issue
Can we also get over half of the characters in the current MCU to be well written too? I'm offended by the lack of representation of thoughtfully made characters!
This!! I loved the Infinity Saga Black Widow and Scarlet WItch(kind of disappointed with her solo film) and all of the bad ass women in Agents of Shield. Can we get some of those writers into these movies please?
There’s no problem with having a large female cast, but when the female cast is constantly talking about how trash men are… ect, ect, it gets pretty old very quickly.
Actually in the comics, tchalla's sister does become the new black panther so they were just following the comics with that one but that doesn't excuse everything else
What really surprised me today was Charlie Cox. The man who WE the fans pushed to continue to be Daredevil, sold us out and jumped on board of the “ If you don’t like it , don’t watch “ bandwagon. He’s true through , and boy how much he was true. She-Hulk was a disaster every week with its ratings. Nobody ( at least nobody of importance) is going to see her in anything anymore. Rumor has it she’s gonna be in the new Captain America film and people are already saying they’re not gonna watch it. Let’s hope Charlie Cox remembers what he says when Daredevil born again comes out because if we don’t like it , we’ll definitely not be watching. What a shame when actors go mad. Can’t believe he’s defending this train wreck that paycheck mus have been good.
Charlie and Chris Evans are huge disappointments in principled masculinity. They can both learn from Henry Cavill in not sacrificing artistic integrity for woke virtue signaling.
I have no issue with Charlie defending a show he was in. Anyone would Daredevil’s character was in line with that of the Netflix show. In DD he hooked up with Claire, Karen, and Elektra. Hooking up with Jen is typical of our favorite blind hero. We are 8 years later in his story, so who knows what has him happier at the moment. We’re yet to find out. From a conservative who watched DD for the first time in Dec of last year, and loves how Charlie portrayed him, I truly think this one comment is completely fine. I also think Charlie has the potential to be the next RDJ or Chris Evans of the MCU. With how many projects he’s been in and about to be in, he might recognize that possibility too, and I don’t mind one bit him playing it safe
@@fpgmatthew I have no problem either ( I under it may come across that way ) what I don’t like is that overused saying of “ don’t like don’t watch “ it’s like the equivalent to a student hanging in shoddy workmanship and saying “ at least I did It” . Whenever celebrities defend their product , I feel it should be done with grace and the ability to recognize what can be fixed on. Whenever you here a celebrity now say “ don’t like , don’t watch” it comes across as rude and feels as if the actor or director etc don’t want to acknowledge the faults that allowed people to not like it. Take a look at Matt Smith and the director of Morbius ( the movie flopped ) but at least they managed to say “ hey it didn’t make what we wanted it to make , we acknowledge the response and we’re just happy we got to have fun “ . Even Chris Hemsworth cheekily acknowledge the failure of Thor : love and thunder and agreed with fans that we need a more serious Thor. I liked Daredevils appearance in SH prior to his finale appearance in the finale ( I thought it was stupid but that’s just my personal opinion)
The MCU (she/her) It's not that they're women, it's that the characters have little back story and most never overcame anything significant. Black Widow was a terrific female role, strong, yet feminine.
Seeing Nerdrotic on a Comment Section video again always makes me laugh and smile. We’re one step closer to having Brett Cooper on Friday Night Tights. Hail the Fellowship!
I wouldn't have too big of a problem with the m she u if they actually wrote the characters well but after She-Hulk and knowing that black widow is gone is enough to know it ain't gonna be great
What most fans fail to notice is the fact that both female and LGBT characters are and are going to be hypersexualized in both appearance and presence. And that's not just M-She-U. It's happening everywhere.
For example Dahmer. These gays were impossible. A gay is dancing in a gay club and another gay starts dancing with him and after a minute he grabs his ass and then they fuck. Wtf.
Brie Larson is also salty because they promised her a sequel to her movie, but they down played it to "The Marvels" by making her one of the leads instead of it being solely her movie.
It's sad because most the Female Characters we've seen are legit long time characters from the comics who are really cool I've always loved She-Hulk and was initially thrilled she was getting a show. Then I saw it.....man talk about disappointment That's the current MCU in a nutshell
The biggest problem with the MCU has been its serialization. The MCU movies used to be an EVENT. They were few. They were rare. You HAD to see them because it was the only MCU content you'd be getting for the next six months. Every frame of footage was dissected for each little niblet of foreshadowing, hints, and future spoilers. Nowadays, there's so much MCU happening at any given time, it's being shoveled down our throats and we got tired of it and don't care as much any more. The plotlines don't go anywhere except down rabbit holes of preachiness about (THE MESSAGE), and there's no main through line to the entire thing that makes you feel it's building up to anything worthwhile. Endgame was the end of the MCU as we enjoyed it. Now we're just getting a pile of sludge served on a silver platter.
I believe it was Gary at Nerdrotic that coined the term M-SHE-U ... great to see it spreading, even into "mainstream" media! Edit: LOL...next time I will wait to watch the whole video before commenting... well, no I won't, but I might feel bad about it!
I hope when deadpool restarts the whole marvel franchise they do not repeat the whole thing. i dont discriminate between male and female but the clasic is always better if they dont like it they can make a different character and story like a different dimension not change what makes it what it is to something else hoping for the best.
People listened, it's the Industry that didn't listen. They responded to activist pressure and thought people would buy anything with the Marvel brand. On the other hand, it's done wonders for Doomcock's numbers. ("Aqua Teen Force" forever!)
Maybe it is just me, but I prefer when there are not an abundance of female superheroes. Black Widow in the earlier movies was enough for me. Don't take this the wrong way, but I do love watching the male heroes more. I don't need to be "represented" in order to enjoy a good story and cool superheroes.
Same here. I'd honestly prefer a superheroes group where 30-40% heroes are female, instead for going for 50-50. It'd just feel more realistic for me. Heroes kinda remind me of soldiers/police, and in these professions the majority are men.
Anyone remember the times you could have guessed a character’s identity was different from the norm but it wasnt their entire personality and wasnt shoved down your throat? ah good times
MCU Projects with a Male Lead: Iron Man The Incredible Hulk Iron Man 2 Thor Captain America: The First Avenger The Avengers Iron Man 3 Thor: The Dark World Captain America: The Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy Avengers: Age of Ultron Ant-Man Doctor Strange Captain America: Civil War Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2 Spider-Man: Homecoming Thor: Ragnarok Black Panther Avengers: Infinity War Ant-Man and the Wasp Avengers: Endgame Spider-Man: Far From Home The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Loki Shang-Chi Hawkeye Spider-Man: No Way Home Moon Knight Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness Thor: Love and Thunder Werewolf by Night MCU Projects with a Female Lead: Captain Marvel WandaVision Eternals Ms. Marvel She-Hulk Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Sadly it is, because while male characters are made to try to appeal to everyone, female characters are made to appeal to females...a. very specific type of female.
@@matityaloran9157 But it is, because those 2 things became 1 in current year. At least when it comes to major movies. Some have less, some have more...but all of them have the same issues.
Even if Hollywood hired the best writers to write the best script for the next female super hero, I think it's too late now for Hollywood now to redeem itself from its past sins because the viewers now have already equated "Strong Female Lead" equals bad writing and poorly written story. The damage has been done.
Anyone remember when Netflix was doing Marvel shows, I don't know...WELL?! Like it was so long ago when night nurse and Jessica Jones were written really good.
I disagree Wakanda forever was amazing. It seems like they did a good job honouring Chadwick, and the one part with the lesbian couple was like two seconds. I feel like there was something for everyone and I feel like things weren’t shoved down my throat. Yes, true a lot of the movies are very woke. But I think Chadwick would’ve been very proud of Letitia and I believe she did a good job regardless of what was directed or written.
Yeah I didn’t get the criticisms against that movie, there were more women than men in it but that’s not inherently a bad thing. It’s not like the movie was demonizing men or made them completely incompetent. I thought Namor was a pretty fascinating character, hell I thought he was the most interesting character in the movie and I liked his dynamic with Shuri, and Shuri herself wasn’t this tough, emotionless, Mary Sue and didn’t trash on men. She had flaws, she struggled with her grief, and learned to overcome it. And I loved the tribute to Chadwick, Marvel gave his memory the respect it deserved instead of trashing on his legacy which is more than enough for me.
@@gryffindorftw6198 Yes I believe it was something everyone could enjoy and it was relatable in the sense that we all go through hard and painful times. And I think the Black Panther movies and scenes in other movies held great respect for the men and women, it was their culture that the people around them were valuable and cared about .
@@jalita5601 Honestly it feels like these criticisms against Wakanda Forever are just knee-jerk reactions from the Right because of how obnoxious the Left has gotten over the years. They have become so used to seeing woke agendas in movies like this that they now look for it everywhere and inevitably interpret something as woke even when it’s not. If Wakanda Forever came out ten years ago I doubt most people would even care that the cast was predominantly brown and black people with most of them being women. It’s kind of sad upon thinking about it, that people from both sides can’t enjoy things anymore because they’re too busy looking for agendas.
I agree with someone of this but I feel like if you haven’t watched some of these projects go probably shouldn’t comment on them. Wakanda Forever had nothing to do with girl power, Shuri was literally next in line for the Black Panther mantle so why would another random man have it?
I love how Gary from Nerdrotics term "M-SHE-U" has gone viral! He's a great guy on RUclips, with a lot of passion for comics, superheroes and pop culture.
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I am sorry Bret, Wakanda Forever was not girl power movie, yes it had lot of female characters. You clearly haven't watch the movie well enough to say it was trash. It was a good movie.
I do think marvel had a problem with not having many female leads. But they went over board with phase 4. If you look back at some of the older female leads like black widow, scarlet witch are a few of the main ones that come to mind, which aren’t a lot of ppl. But those 2 are excellently written characters. The problem with the new leads is their awful writing, she hulk could have been a great and interesting counterpart but they ruined her character…
They do realize that the reason the Mouse bought Marvel Entertainment and Lucasfilm in the first place was because they were primarily boy/men brand entertainment, right? They very sensibly did that because they already cornered the family and girl/women market. Changing it from what it is to try to make it more of a girl brand is just going to kill that brand, because the women who do actually like it already and who could like it in the future do and will like it because they like what it already was. Changing it will not only drive any female fans away (because they can get their primarily girl brand stuff literally anywhere else from things that were actually meant to be that sort of thing), and they're going to lose the majority male audience who don't like it when non-fans mess with their things they enjoy too much. Stick to your core audience and expand with their interests in mind first, and things would continue to go well. The sad part is that the decline of the MCU didn't have to happen because they still jave a ton of great material to take inspiration from without having to draw from the terrible All-New, All-Different Marvel era that started in 2016 (although some replacement characters were introduced before that). I don't think they're destined for everything they do now to suck, but seriously, the progressive intersectional feminist rot runs deep. It needs to be cut out, but it probably won't be. A guy can hope, right?
Correction: while Captain Marvel as a character is not popular as her contemporaries, the movie actually made upwards of a billion so it did not flop commercially but it certainly was not received positively because of the idea that they want to spearhead her as the new lead in the Marvel cinematic universe.
This stuck out to me as well. Financially, Captain Marvel was absolutely not a flop, but it did receive one of the worst audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes among MCU movies. Even that isn't a great metric to go by because it was review bombed before the movie was released because of a Brie Larson speech months earlier. It was such a highly publicized campaign that Rotten Tomatoes ended up restricting user ratings before a movie's release date.
It definitely didn’t flop financially, but I attribute it’s success more to the fact that it came out between infinity war and endgame rather than quality
Only Marvel Content I Liked After Endgame Were Spider-Man NWH Because Of Nostalgia And Moon Knight Because Of Oscar Issac's Incredible Performance. Agent Carter Was The Best Female Character In Marvel She Was Strong Without Being Woke, She Was Also Very Wise And Kind Hearted...
I saw what was about to happen in Endgame..... It was the last Marvel film I watched. I waited for the reviews of the films after, already guessing what was going to happen. As has been said many time before , superiority disguised as equality.
As meh as some of the new films are, remember that Evangeline Lilly (The Wasp) stood up for the people who didn't want vaccines and that people are still trying to cancel her for it. In my mind she's not a bad actor and is worthy of support. Paul Rudd also kills it as Antman. So I will be seeing Antman and The Wasp Quantumania.
I'm Gen-z and obsessed with marvel. I half agree with this. 1 black panther was really good, you just need to know the background and other stories. No one has an open mind going into marvel because they think all of them are bad. And if you go in thinking it will be bad, even if it is good, you will think its bad. I really miss the old MCU and the fandom back then. I miss the og 6 and the old villains, but I think marvel is going to go downhill now that they can't do avengers movies anymore.
I think she’s a good actress I don’t understand the hate on her, other than that interview she did with Don Cheadle and Hemsworth, where she went on that her superhero is better than them, that was mildly annoying.
I know Brett is pointing more towards the movie as hurting Brie Larson's career, but Brie Larson is part of the reason there was such a backlash to that movie. All of her comments trashing the MCU audience and essentially saying guys suck and aren't allowed to review her movie...YIKES!
[1] Disney/MCU: We are going to produce, write, and direct movies that are woke, even though it will alienate millions of potential ticket-buyers. [2] Sales tank. [3] Disney/MCU: We will keep doing the same thing the same way and expect different results.
What sucks is ALL of those female heroes play awesome roles in the comics! Captain Marvel should be leading teams of heroes into battle! You can't have the MCU without these characters, but Marvel has turned this into an opportunity for new agendas. So sad.
The problem I see is the main audience wants what has been happening before. The company goes woke and tries to introduce characters to get an audience that doesn't give an F about their product. Since the new characters are aimed at a different audience, the original audience stops watching and their new audience still mostly doesn't give an F. The other big issue is basically copy/pasteing characters but changing their sex from male to female. In doing this they look lazy as F, show no original thought processing available and give people an unoriginal character that has 0 history (or was possibly forgotten for a reason aka done before but failed horribly so never done again... until now). As usual if people want new "strong" female characters don't just copy/paste already written (or basically the same) characters and "strong" doesn't need to be physical strength. I stopped watching all TV/movies because A) I don't have time and B) they've ruined everything with wokeness and boring characters/stories.
I feel that, I haven't seen many shows or movies recently that truly tell good story. If you were to watch one more show though, I would recommend Arcane. It was created by an in-house team and independent studio and it literally felt like finding an oasis in a desert. Amazing world building, beautiful outwork, outstanding voice acting and music, and a masterclass of writing human, flawed, and understandable characters.
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I’m a woman, when iron man came out I fell in love with the MCU. I love Tony Stark, I loved how he changed from player to hero, I love his sarcasm and humor, I loved how even with his flaws he still learned and grew. I loved captain America, I was excited for Thor, then black widow, then Hulk. It never crossed my mind that I needed to be represented in this
So what? 50% of the population are women. Why shouldn't they be represented?
Same! I can't understand why people need to see their race or gender on screen to be able to relate to a fictional character. I love most of the marvel heroes, and I'm an asian woman. Tbh, I don't really like shang chi and the awkward woman
Thing is, women have been pretty strong characters in the MCU all along. They're just being hamfisted about it now. Endgame showcased all the women in that cheesy scene toward the end, but it only proved that women have been an important component all along.
@therotten6152 amen! I would say it's a bad time to be a man right now, but honestly the media and internet aren't actually representing our actual reality IRL. I don't experience these problems out in the real world, and I think it's so strange that this agenda is trying to convince people otherwise. No one really gains anything from it. As long as people are around other physical human beings and leave the house to grocery shop or blow of steam on a regular basis, it's very apparent that the real world is not at all what they are trying to portay.
Soon enough it’ll be the M-They-U
I'm a private English tutor - I literally teach kids how to write their own books. I use the MsheU, the star wars sequels and of course, pretty much all of modern Hollywood's storytelling skills frequently as an example of what NOT to do.
I very much hate the Sequel Trilogy so I'm wondering: as a private English tutor, what specifically do you not like about them? I just hate it because I think it ruins every story that came before it. I'm curious as to what you don't like.
All those women should remember to thank Jennifer Lawrence, for paving the way for strong female leads
Shut up
Cold😂
Lol
What is a Jennifer Lawrence?
@@slappt311
Apparently she was Mystique at one time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hawkeye was literally the only one that did female “torch passing” well. She was a very flawed character unlike all the other perfect females that make no mistakes and have no flaws
@Elijah Yes! I thought Kate was goofy but she was likable and understandable, (she honestly should have died in the last episode but I suppose I can give that a pass), and her and Yelena were amazing!
I only made it through episode 1 of she-hulk....
True, Kate Bishop was actually likable
omg yes
i love kate so much
What I also liked about Kate is that she tried her hardest to uplift Hawkeye who clearly needed help because of all the trauma he endured. She didn't verbally joust him on a daily basis just because he's a dude and she was never disappointed in him even though he was in on of the lowest points of his life. She simply loved Hawkeye/Clint and was a true fam of him.
I agree! But... i also think they did well with ms marvel lmao for me she is such a funny character and i can relate to her as im a muslim and a BIG fan of the mcu and she has her flaws i rlly think i saw that in the marvels when she realised she couldnt save everyone and i felt so bad
Alsooooo shuri IS SUCH A GOOD CHARACTER OMFG I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE DISLIKE HER LIKE HER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IS SO GOOD IN WAKANDA FOREVER OMG HER LOSING HER ENTRIE FAMILY AND LEARNING SHE HAS TO BE THE BLACK PANTHER CMON YALL
I do agree with she hulk and captain marvel and a few others tho
As a teen girl, I preferred the old MCU.
The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, and Mauler are great people to check out if you haven't yet. They talk out stuff like this, and are really smart in this field. The Critical Drinker is a writer himself and is making his first film based on his own books. They all tried to warn people this was happening, but people did not listen. One of the most annoying things about something like the M-SHE-U is that they are horrible written characters. Like at least write female characters that are good, but they tripped on that hurdle and face planted.
>Cis white men discuss while female leads are terrible, the show
So brave
@@kajamatousek247 They praise films with a white woman lead. Ripely is a character they have praised.
So the characters are bad, I don’t know why we are bringing up their gender?
@@blackdeku8917 literally almost all the female characters these days are overpowered and perfect🙄
This is so sad on how much the mcu has gone liberal and not the quality movies it started as
Exactlly
To be fair, those things aren't exclusive, something can be good, even though you dissagree with it. Sad it isn't the case.
I wouldn't even mind the liberal aspect, if the quality was the most important part
@@holyassasin5202yes I see your point
I’m talking about how if you look at marvels original movies and how amusing they were and look at these movies that r focused on politics more than the people that’s what is sad
comics has always been super liberal lol. xmen were supposed to be an allegory for the civil rights movement and mutants for gay ppl
The Drinker first got the term "THE MESSAGE" into the cultural zeitgeist, and now Nerdrotic has gotten the term M-She-U into the cultural zeitgeist.
I also like The Drinker's "UPDATED FOR MODERN AUDIENCES," and "Reflecting the world we live in today." The man doesn't miss with the phases lol
reverse those, but yeah
for soft modern standards
Those guys are pioneers!!!
They force these awful characters down our throats when they already had awesome female characters. The Agent Carter show was incredible and is still my favorite MCU show, but they canceled it 🤨 My friends and I (teenage girls at the time) LOVED going to the theater and watching the latest Marvel movie. We would come up with theories and talked about it constantly. It's amazing how fast it all went downhill after Endgame. It's like they completely stopped caring about story and characters and just throw stuff out as fast as possible and hope it makes them a lot of money. It's sad.
Not an AoS fan? :) I know Hayley Atwell won dubsmash war, but still...
AoS I consider the "most perfect" show that exists. I just hope those characters won't return to this train wreck of a cinematic universe. That would just leave me with everlasting depression. XD
Here's the trailer if it's needed: ruclips.net/video/DiVvCnPia_E/видео.html
I'm so happy to see someone loved Agent Carter as much as me! That show deserved at the very least another season. It ended on a cliffhanger and never addressed it anywhere in the MCU again.
@@jerrencartercrittersandfri3733 *Except for the Sousa storyline. ;)
But yeah the patriarchy's they would mock Charlie's angels because a man in charge even tho women are heroes
I loved Agent Carter. Peggy was a strong female character but was also feminine and wasent created at being the bestest ever. Plus they had really good female villains with Whitney and Dottie.
It's encouraging to hear from a women that see's through all the bs Disney is pushing on everybody!
The MCU started and ended with the line, "I am Ironman."
it all started and ended with Tony Stark
@@legacy756 it also started and ended with a bald villain
C’mon! Ozzy Osborne is Ironman harumph
With all respect, I'll never go out of my way to watch Infinity War or Endgame. Or anything after those movies.
@@legacy756 Not meaning to start a fight, but I feel it started with the first Avenger, Captain America. :) (I'm talking timeline wise. Tony's movie did come first!)
01:07 "...It's just Marvel Heroes..." is how things used to be before Hollywood started forcing everyone to acknowledge that "these are the female heroes and that's the black hero and blah blah". When Avengers came out in 2012, Black Widow was one of the core 6 Avengers. She wasn't seen as representation, or just a political tool. She was a cool character that everyone loved along side the other Avengers. Apparently, us fans wanted to get a Black Widow movie more than Disney wanted to make one. I swear Hollywood haas their own prejudices that they try to project onto the rest of the world, and it irritates me. It's like they rob a bank, then lecture everyone else about why you shouldn't rob a bank.
It wasn't until Black Panther became "the first black Marvel superhero" and Captain Marvel became "the first female superhero" that things started to get dumb. Not just because both claims were wrong: Blade existed in Hollywood long before Black Panther, and Wonder Woman came out not long before Captain Marvel. But things got dumb because we were clearly leaving the realm of good natured, fun movies... and entering the realm of MCU becoming another tool to push politics.
The MCU officially became the M-SHE-U at the end of Endgame during that final battle scene where apparently only the women could get the gauntlet away from Thanos... literally every woman in the MCU and not a single man... the couldn't have been more in-your-face with it. They're the ones separating the heroes into "male hero" and "female hero".
just like the me too movement. Hollywood is full of sick people projecting their sick crap unto the rest of the world. I've got no doubt that Hollywood treats women poorly off camera. the thing is, the rest of America doesn't. I'm sick of those freaks that are perpetuating all this discrimination and grooming, lecturing the rest of us about it.
You are not wrong about the prejudice part; they are all about accusing others of what they are doing.
Yes. Blade came out in 1998, I think. In 2005 we had Elektra. How were Black Panther and Captain Space Karen the first?
@@GingerZombie29 "captain space karen"🤣🤣
People like the Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic and us audience who are smart enough to see these things have tried to warn and tell people about this but no one listens to us. So this is what people will have to live with now.🤦♂️😓
YES! They are both brilliant! People may think it's childish to care about Marvel or Star Wars, but heroes matter, lessons matter, and stories are how a culture comes ro understand itself. Change the stories and you change the culture. If we want to take our country back, we need to take our stories back.
Critical Drinker... my primary source for movie reviews.
Cringe
I'm not living with it, I stopped watching the MCU after endgame. And I'm sure there's plenty of other people that have done the same.
Haha, I'd like to ad Disparu to that list
Hail G&G, Nerdrotic and his crew, and a hearty welcome and "Hail" to Brett Cooper! Welcome to the Fellowship and Welcome to the Rebellion!
I love how widespread the term MSheU has become
Yep i heard some person in the movie theater talking about it after they came out of the new Avatar movie they said it was "better than the stuff the MSheU has been putting out"
That chick from Beyond the Trailer hates it, which only makes it more fun to use.
Careful Brett,
Remember Jennifer Lawrence was the first woman ever to lead an action movie so really the push towards the m she u started with her
@@McMahonHater grace Randolph. ( that chick
@@shanenolan5625 I don't care about her real name, she's a shrill hag who likes Thor: Love and Thunder.
Stan Lee is probably blowing a fuse in the spirit world
Thumbs up for Gary, Nerdrotic, and the G&G gang! 👍
Quarter-black is awesoe
All Hail The Fellowship!
All hail Friday Night Tights!!
Brett should have Gary (Nerdrotic) on her show for an interview. This stuff has been Gary’s whole life. Brett is just kinda coming into this. Would just be an interesting conversation and I believe Gary deserves more exposure.
He had an interview with Amala on Prager U and it was pretty good. Gary got the label of right wing extremist for saying things like… why can’t guys be cool in superhero movies anymore? And… Saying there’s a left wing bias in the film industry.
P.S. for anyone who likes Gary you’d probably like Clownfish TV too. The husband and wife who do the channel are adamant moderates and cover things like Disney and all that stuff pretty fairly.
ive herd of nerdrotic but havent watched him yet so ill check him out
I liked the part of the video where Brett said “It’s brettin’ time” and bretted all over the MCU.
Underrated comment
*gulps*
It’s Morbin time?!
Bret mode
That gave me goosebumps.
I like how all the women in the MCU are either just a copy of the original superhero such as captain America, iron man, Thor, etc, or just an “I’m better than you” character (captain marvel), which they all are to an extent.
A lot of heroes are like that though Batwoman, Batgirl, Robin, Superboy, Supergirl, Ms Martian, there was a female Green Lantern in the comics, Shazam also has female versions. Every hero has some type of copy cat
@@MogajiMohammed To the OPs point though how many characters go the reverse route of an amazing female character inspiring male offshoots? Not many, if any to my knowledge, for the simple reason that heroes, comics, etc. tends to be a space dominated by men. Not because of some stupid buzzword but just for the simple fact more men are drawn to those types of stories.
Nerdrotic, Mauler, Critical Drinker, Az from HeelvsBabyface all do a fantastic job of tearing this woke shit apart!
Hail the fellowship!!
Don't forget Yellowflash 2
@@naomiInkwell199 Hail FNT!
Don't forget Xray girls feet.
Ryan Kinel, Yellowflash and hypnotic too
As a big Marvel fan it's such a shame they've gone woke. I hope they can turn around before it's too late.
idk i think its too late already 😭 they ruined their reputation
Sadly, I don't think this is likely. Such transformations are one direction only, and then when that fails it's not due to anything they did it's us darn misogynistic fans that just can't accept a "better" more enlightened story.
She Hulk Twerking sealed the deal unfortunately 😂
As someone who was an avid marvel from india i just stopped caring about the mcu and all my friends who were into it also stopped talking about it. And people who do watch it occasionally have poor opinion of their recent stuff.
I'm an older teen girl who mostly started watching the MCU so I'd have something to bond over/talk about with my younger brother. I think it's wild to try to get a larger teenage girl audience with what they're doing. This is anecdotal, but most of my girl friends were already way bigger fans of the MCU before they added all these female heroes.
Since Marvel is apparently trying to appeal to my age group, here are some of my thoughts on some of the more recent female characters.
I honestly liked Yelena and Kate Bishop in Hawkeye. She-hulk is perhaps the most insufferable show I've ever watched and imo only appeals to depressed millennials lol. Wanda was cool until the writers never let her grow out of her central problem/flaw. Female Loki and the Loki show were boring imo, Captain Marvel could've been better if they weren't so focused on making her be a girl boss, and I personally would rather get more Agent Carter than Captain Carter content. Lady Thor felt like it was just randomly added with no real purpose, but overall this latest Thor movie felt really unnecessary in the first place.
Agent Carter was a great representation of a powerful woman and I loved her show. When I look for a good female qlead, they don't need big muscles or powers to show they're strong. Agent Carter had class and was competent all without powers. Plus it was set in a time where women still had to deal with a society that treated them as lesser in the workplace, not whatever "severe oppression" women are facing now.
It's still possible to write good female characters, but to do that your focus must be to write good characters regardless of gender. Captain America will always be my favorite MCU character because I loved how he was written and what the character stood for.
I think another problem for Marvel in general is they're flooding the market with too much content. Because of the wokeness plus too much content to keep up with, my brother and I are not as interested anymore. A bunch of my girl friends who used to be much bigger fans of the MCU have distanced themselves because we're becoming adults and don't have time to sit around watching the latest D+ show anymore.
Sorry for all that writing lol.
It sounds to me like they are pushing wokeness for SJW reasons, but it doesn't sell, so they are trying to put out lots of movies to make up for low sales on each one.
It's a losing strategy, but they are stubborn ideologues, and not likely to stop until disney completely crashes and burns, and goes out of business.
Yup 👍
You know I think that may be another reason why marvel now is failing, us as teenagers saw all the films and now that we’re getting older and becoming adults, we’re not sitting around binging all 3 new marvel shows that come out every week. Plus the woke crap.
It was good writing
Your points are all very valid. I agree that Kate Bishop was written very well. She had an arc where she made mistakes, learned from them, and overcome personal obstacles to become a better 'hero', and she didn't have to ruin Clint's character to do it. She actually fought alongside him as equals. That said a lot about the creative team doing their job. I enjoyed Agent Carter as well, and I thought they could do a lot more by allowing that series to continue. They really have lost touch with what is good and flooded the market with lower quality productions. Their zeal, combined with a woke attitude, have gotten the better of them and have ruined enjoyment for their once fans.
Brett we once did have “45 year old white men” write teens girls, it was called Buffy and it was amazing!
Thank nerdrotic for the "M-she-U" label.
And critical drinker made up THE MESSAGE brand
Came to say the same
yeah... like is stated in the video!
@@TheNivalf well I didn't watch the video, just saw the title 😀
Thanks to him, people have realized that the anti woke people have become just as whiny and unbearable as the woke people.
To be fair on Black Panther, the story wasn’t supposed to be that way. Chadwick dying caused that pivot. Otherwise all of the other ones pictures are totally valid. I will say Captain Marvel catches too much flack because of Bri Larson and the writers lol
Yeah, I don't get as mad at Wakanda Forever because I really like Letitia Wright, and think the cast and crew truly wanted to make a good movie to honor Chadwick. His passing was a tragedy. Kate wasn't horrible either, pretty decent compared to some in fact. Maybe it's just the actors saving some of these, like Florence Pugh is gold and I'm a-ok with more of her in the future. Can it just be her and Kate and Shuri? XD
I was hoping to read this from the comments. Chad died. Plans changed.
As a big fan, I’m still just happy with the Infinity Saga that we did get. It’s quite incredible that they put together a cohesive 20+ movie story. Yet they couldn’t take two steps forward in any one direction with the new Star Wars trilogy.
Based on the characters death, and Chadwick's passing, I don't Think or think anyone else should have a problem with shuri being the new black panther and wakanda forever confirmed that, but I agree there is an issue with captain Marvel and she Hulk are an issue
The main problem I have with Captain Marvel is when Bree Larson mouthed off before its release
@@benengle9621 yeah that too was very rude and annoying and made her reputation a bit low
Can we also get over half of the characters in the current MCU to be well written too? I'm offended by the lack of representation of thoughtfully made characters!
Disney+ is now all about hiring check marks instead of qualified actual talent. THAT IS WHY.
Agreed.
This!! I loved the Infinity Saga Black Widow and Scarlet WItch(kind of disappointed with her solo film) and all of the bad ass women in Agents of Shield. Can we get some of those writers into these movies please?
@@silver9wolf6 when did Scarlett witch get her solo film??
@@aaditkhan728 oops! I mean Black Widow's :P
There’s no problem with having a large female cast, but when the female cast is constantly talking about how trash men are… ect, ect, it gets pretty old very quickly.
The fact that you showed nerdrotic's video is amazing
Actually in the comics, tchalla's sister does become the new black panther so they were just following the comics with that one but that doesn't excuse everything else
What really surprised me today was Charlie Cox. The man who WE the fans pushed to continue to be Daredevil, sold us out and jumped on board of the “ If you don’t like it , don’t watch “ bandwagon. He’s true through , and boy how much he was true. She-Hulk was a disaster every week with its ratings. Nobody ( at least nobody of importance) is going to see her in anything anymore. Rumor has it she’s gonna be in the new Captain America film and people are already saying they’re not gonna watch it. Let’s hope Charlie Cox remembers what he says when Daredevil born again comes out because if we don’t like it , we’ll definitely not be watching. What a shame when actors go mad. Can’t believe he’s defending this train wreck that paycheck mus have been good.
Charlie and Chris Evans are huge disappointments in principled masculinity. They can both learn from Henry Cavill in not sacrificing artistic integrity for woke virtue signaling.
I have no issue with Charlie defending a show he was in. Anyone would
Daredevil’s character was in line with that of the Netflix show. In DD he hooked up with Claire, Karen, and Elektra. Hooking up with Jen is typical of our favorite blind hero. We are 8 years later in his story, so who knows what has him happier at the moment. We’re yet to find out.
From a conservative who watched DD for the first time in Dec of last year, and loves how Charlie portrayed him, I truly think this one comment is completely fine. I also think Charlie has the potential to be the next RDJ or Chris Evans of the MCU. With how many projects he’s been in and about to be in, he might recognize that possibility too, and I don’t mind one bit him playing it safe
@@fpgmatthew I have no problem either ( I under it may come across that way ) what I don’t like is that overused saying of “ don’t like don’t watch “ it’s like the equivalent to a student hanging in shoddy workmanship and saying “ at least I did It” . Whenever celebrities defend their product , I feel it should be done with grace and the ability to recognize what can be fixed on. Whenever you here a celebrity now say “ don’t like , don’t watch” it comes across as rude and feels as if the actor or director etc don’t want to acknowledge the faults that allowed people to not like it.
Take a look at Matt Smith and the director of Morbius ( the movie flopped ) but at least they managed to say “ hey it didn’t make what we wanted it to make , we acknowledge the response and we’re just happy we got to have fun “ .
Even Chris Hemsworth cheekily acknowledge the failure of Thor : love and thunder and agreed with fans that we need a more serious Thor. I liked Daredevils appearance in SH prior to his finale appearance in the finale ( I thought it was stupid but that’s just my personal opinion)
@@762x69 Henry Cavill is everything a majority of men in Hollywood NEED to be. Especially Captain Dumbass
This is what my writing sounds like when people read it
The MCU (she/her)
It's not that they're women, it's that the characters have little back story and most never overcame anything significant. Black Widow was a terrific female role, strong, yet feminine.
I’m thankful everyone is acknowledging M-she-U. I REALLY hope marvel will come back to its old ways
How long is it goijng to take for Disney to finally acknowledge that M-She-U = crap?
Probably when they're going down the financial toilet!
Are you real
@@micobama2973 its not homie, dont do it
@@Onion_Lover Thank you bro
Don't hold your breath dude
I don't know why, but that line from Tony, "not a great plan", immediately cracked me up. Can't stop laughing. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Seeing Nerdrotic on a Comment Section video again always makes me laugh and smile. We’re one step closer to having Brett Cooper on Friday Night Tights. Hail the Fellowship!
Man I'd love to see that!
Hail!
Yes plz
It not her that comes up with this but her producer he’s really into nerd culture, Brett just tells us she’s not really into it
@@letstacobout there are plenty of normie guests on FNT.
Brett, your producer needs to get you a guest spot on Nerdrotic's Friday Night Tights!
Why? So they cant repeat the same drival all over again?
A Force was a thing in the books as a spin off. When they tried to make an ongoing it failed almost instantaneously
I wouldn't have too big of a problem with the m she u if they actually wrote the characters well but after She-Hulk and knowing that black widow is gone is enough to know it ain't gonna be great
Bro, who is the editor(s) for this channel? They do10/10 work, seriously.
I love how critical drinker and nerdrodic are getting shout outs on this channel
Nerdrotic created the term “M-She-U”. Look at his channel.
she did gave him a shoutout
Watch the whole video before the comment brotha
What most fans fail to notice is the fact that both female and LGBT characters are and are going to be hypersexualized in both appearance and presence. And that's not just M-She-U. It's happening everywhere.
For example Dahmer. These gays were impossible. A gay is dancing in a gay club and another gay starts dancing with him and after a minute he grabs his ass and then they fuck.
Wtf.
They are n o t
@@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme They will.
@@ScorpioArmegedon how
@@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme Even more extremely provocative outfits and constant gender/relationships statuses.
Love that marvel is following the absolute powerhouse model the WNBA has
3:52 "She worked her ass off." I legit laughed because of that Brie Larson/ Tom Holland meme.
The best way to describe phase 3 is like the campaign of a video game ended and now all phase 4 has been are side quests.
Accurate
I totally disagree about the Black panther take. Wakanda Forever was a love letter to Chadwick Boseman and it was incredible.
Brie Larson is also salty because they promised her a sequel to her movie, but they down played it to "The Marvels" by making her one of the leads instead of it being solely her movie.
It's sad because most the Female Characters we've seen are legit long time characters from the comics who are really cool
I've always loved She-Hulk and was initially thrilled she was getting a show.
Then I saw it.....man talk about disappointment
That's the current MCU in a nutshell
I used to LOVE going to MCU movies on opening weekend. I haven't since the last Spiderman and I haven't missed anything.
Same
The biggest problem with the MCU has been its serialization. The MCU movies used to be an EVENT. They were few. They were rare. You HAD to see them because it was the only MCU content you'd be getting for the next six months. Every frame of footage was dissected for each little niblet of foreshadowing, hints, and future spoilers.
Nowadays, there's so much MCU happening at any given time, it's being shoveled down our throats and we got tired of it and don't care as much any more. The plotlines don't go anywhere except down rabbit holes of preachiness about (THE MESSAGE), and there's no main through line to the entire thing that makes you feel it's building up to anything worthwhile.
Endgame was the end of the MCU as we enjoyed it. Now we're just getting a pile of sludge served on a silver platter.
I believe it was Gary at Nerdrotic that coined the term M-SHE-U ... great to see it spreading, even into "mainstream" media!
Edit: LOL...next time I will wait to watch the whole video before commenting... well, no I won't, but I might feel bad about it!
I hope when deadpool restarts the whole marvel franchise they do not repeat the whole thing. i dont discriminate between male and female but the clasic is always better if they dont like it they can make a different character and story like a different dimension not change what makes it what it is to something else hoping for the best.
Brett needs to get nerdotic on with her
Honestly, the only new female characters of the M-SHE-U I actually care about are Kate Bishop and Yelena Belova. The Hawkeye Show was amazing.
You're doing a good job, CS w/ BC.
You guys are doing some important and topnotch stuff for the culture
I personally disagree with your points on the mcu I am a huge fan but I think that women deserve to lead such a big franchise but that's my opinion
People listened, it's the Industry that didn't listen. They responded to activist pressure and thought people would buy anything with the Marvel brand. On the other hand, it's done wonders for Doomcock's numbers. ("Aqua Teen Force" forever!)
I loved that Brett referenced Nerdrotic. As glad as I am Nerdrotic brought this to our attention. It is good women like Brett speaking up about this.
Maybe it is just me, but I prefer when there are not an abundance of female superheroes. Black Widow in the earlier movies was enough for me. Don't take this the wrong way, but I do love watching the male heroes more. I don't need to be "represented" in order to enjoy a good story and cool superheroes.
Same here. I'd honestly prefer a superheroes group where 30-40% heroes are female, instead for going for 50-50. It'd just feel more realistic for me. Heroes kinda remind me of soldiers/police, and in these professions the majority are men.
Brett is a superheroine with that magic chair. She exposes liberal nonsense for all mankind.
It’s because of You Brett that I subscribed to The Critical Drinker and just now, Nerdrotic.
Anyone remember the times you could have guessed a character’s identity was different from the norm but it wasnt their entire personality and wasnt shoved down your throat? ah good times
Yep, and I no longer pay attention to the MCU. Merry Christmas to everyone.
MCU Projects with a Male Lead:
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
Captain America: Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor: Ragnarok
Black Panther
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Avengers: Endgame
Spider-Man: Far From Home
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki
Shang-Chi
Hawkeye
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Moon Knight
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Thor: Love and Thunder
Werewolf by Night
MCU Projects with a Female Lead:
Captain Marvel
WandaVision
Eternals
Ms. Marvel
She-Hulk
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Didn’t expect a Nerdrotic clip to show up in a Brett video, but it’s great! Possible FNT appearance in the future?
Brett, please do a livestream from Idaho! Maybe your mom could do a guest appearance as well since you speak so highly of her.
It’s not a bad thing on its own that there are more females than males, the bad thing is when having more is put ahead of having a good story
Exactly
Sadly it is, because while male characters are made to try to appeal to everyone, female characters are made to appeal to females...a. very specific type of female.
@@ricardokojin7 hence the “on its own” in the OP’s comment
@@matityaloran9157 But it is, because those 2 things became 1 in current year. At least when it comes to major movies. Some have less, some have more...but all of them have the same issues.
I wish The MCU could just focus on the art and the production and the storyline of the movie instead of the Politics
I mean civil war and caption America where political
Even if Hollywood hired the best writers to write the best script for the next female super hero, I think it's too late now for Hollywood now to redeem itself from its past sins because the viewers now have already equated "Strong Female Lead" equals bad writing and poorly written story. The damage has been done.
I love this for the title alone, top job Brett
Anyone remember when Netflix was doing Marvel shows, I don't know...WELL?! Like it was so long ago when night nurse and Jessica Jones were written really good.
I disagree Wakanda forever was amazing. It seems like they did a good job honouring Chadwick, and the one part with the lesbian couple was like two seconds. I feel like there was something for everyone and I feel like things weren’t shoved down my throat.
Yes, true a lot of the movies are very woke. But I think Chadwick would’ve been very proud of Letitia and I believe she did a good job regardless of what was directed or written.
Yeah I didn’t get the criticisms against that movie, there were more women than men in it but that’s not inherently a bad thing. It’s not like the movie was demonizing men or made them completely incompetent. I thought Namor was a pretty fascinating character, hell I thought he was the most interesting character in the movie and I liked his dynamic with Shuri, and Shuri herself wasn’t this tough, emotionless, Mary Sue and didn’t trash on men. She had flaws, she struggled with her grief, and learned to overcome it. And I loved the tribute to Chadwick, Marvel gave his memory the respect it deserved instead of trashing on his legacy which is more than enough for me.
@@gryffindorftw6198 Yes I believe it was something everyone could enjoy and it was relatable in the sense that we all go through hard and painful times.
And I think the Black Panther movies and scenes in other movies held great respect for the men and women, it was their culture that the people around them were valuable and cared about .
@@jalita5601 Honestly it feels like these criticisms against Wakanda Forever are just knee-jerk reactions from the Right because of how obnoxious the Left has gotten over the years. They have become so used to seeing woke agendas in movies like this that they now look for it everywhere and inevitably interpret something as woke even when it’s not. If Wakanda Forever came out ten years ago I doubt most people would even care that the cast was predominantly brown and black people with most of them being women. It’s kind of sad upon thinking about it, that people from both sides can’t enjoy things anymore because they’re too busy looking for agendas.
I agree with someone of this but I feel like if you haven’t watched some of these projects go probably shouldn’t comment on them. Wakanda Forever had nothing to do with girl power, Shuri was literally next in line for the Black Panther mantle so why would another random man have it?
Also not people saying Yelena is a female verison or Natasha 💀
Shoutout to Evangeline Lily for standing true to her anti Vax beliefs even when it got her canceled
I love how Gary from Nerdrotics term "M-SHE-U" has gone viral! He's a great guy on RUclips, with a lot of passion for comics, superheroes and pop culture.
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I am sorry Bret, Wakanda Forever was not girl power movie, yes it had lot of female characters. You clearly haven't watch the movie well enough to say it was trash. It was a good movie.
Your word for word reading of Feige’s quote was gold😂
I do think marvel had a problem with not having many female leads. But they went over board with phase 4. If you look back at some of the older female leads like black widow, scarlet witch are a few of the main ones that come to mind, which aren’t a lot of ppl. But those 2 are excellently written characters. The problem with the new leads is their awful writing, she hulk could have been a great and interesting counterpart but they ruined her character…
Captain Marvel was ok too
They do realize that the reason the Mouse bought Marvel Entertainment and Lucasfilm in the first place was because they were primarily boy/men brand entertainment, right? They very sensibly did that because they already cornered the family and girl/women market. Changing it from what it is to try to make it more of a girl brand is just going to kill that brand, because the women who do actually like it already and who could like it in the future do and will like it because they like what it already was. Changing it will not only drive any female fans away (because they can get their primarily girl brand stuff literally anywhere else from things that were actually meant to be that sort of thing), and they're going to lose the majority male audience who don't like it when non-fans mess with their things they enjoy too much. Stick to your core audience and expand with their interests in mind first, and things would continue to go well. The sad part is that the decline of the MCU didn't have to happen because they still jave a ton of great material to take inspiration from without having to draw from the terrible All-New, All-Different Marvel era that started in 2016 (although some replacement characters were introduced before that). I don't think they're destined for everything they do now to suck, but seriously, the progressive intersectional feminist rot runs deep. It needs to be cut out, but it probably won't be. A guy can hope, right?
Always spot on commentary.
6:19 Gary from Nerdrotic! Nice to see him on the channel.
Correction: while Captain Marvel as a character is not popular as her contemporaries, the movie actually made upwards of a billion so it did not flop commercially but it certainly was not received positively because of the idea that they want to spearhead her as the new lead in the Marvel cinematic universe.
This stuck out to me as well. Financially, Captain Marvel was absolutely not a flop, but it did receive one of the worst audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes among MCU movies. Even that isn't a great metric to go by because it was review bombed before the movie was released because of a Brie Larson speech months earlier. It was such a highly publicized campaign that Rotten Tomatoes ended up restricting user ratings before a movie's release date.
Carol Danvers wasn't even the first female Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau (Teyona Paris from WandaVision) was.
It definitely didn’t flop financially, but I attribute it’s success more to the fact that it came out between infinity war and endgame rather than quality
Only Marvel Content I Liked After Endgame Were Spider-Man NWH Because Of Nostalgia And Moon Knight Because Of Oscar Issac's Incredible Performance. Agent Carter Was The Best Female Character In Marvel She Was Strong Without Being Woke, She Was Also Very Wise And Kind Hearted...
I saw what was about to happen in Endgame..... It was the last Marvel film I watched.
I waited for the reviews of the films after, already guessing what was going to happen.
As has been said many time before , superiority disguised as equality.
No way home is worth watching
@@crb4059 I got told all the good parts were in the trailer. Worth a watch anyway?
@@shandorunia yes
As meh as some of the new films are, remember that Evangeline Lilly (The Wasp) stood up for the people who didn't want vaccines and that people are still trying to cancel her for it. In my mind she's not a bad actor and is worthy of support. Paul Rudd also kills it as Antman. So I will be seeing Antman and The Wasp Quantumania.
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Her team did, brett doesn't follow this stuff, probably scrambled at the last minute to put this together
I'm Gen-z and obsessed with marvel. I half agree with this. 1 black panther was really good, you just need to know the background and other stories. No one has an open mind going into marvel because they think all of them are bad. And if you go in thinking it will be bad, even if it is good, you will think its bad. I really miss the old MCU and the fandom back then. I miss the og 6 and the old villains, but I think marvel is going to go downhill now that they can't do avengers movies anymore.
I didn't know there existed somebody who likes Brie Larson. I'm genuinely shocked.
I think she’s a good actress I don’t understand the hate on her, other than that interview she did with Don Cheadle and Hemsworth, where she went on that her superhero is better than them, that was mildly annoying.
@@anthonypita1451 there was no acting in captain Marvel movie .
@@Doc-hp5wf thats subjective
Captain Marvel's comic has been cancelled (due to no sells) and restarted so many times the Character of Carol Danvers has killed half the rainforest.
MCU: "We have gender imbalance. Too much MAN!"
Also MCU: "We need gender imbalance. MOAR WOman, less man!"
💯 true 1000000 percent true
The only reason Captain Marvel made all that money is because it was coming in between Infinity War and Endgame.
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Brett should do a Kate cosplay
hawkeye was such a good show. great way of “including” a female character without shoving the feminism down our throats
Wakanda Forever was an objectively good movie and succeeded at the box office. Not to mention Shuri bring the black panther is in the comics
@Life with Rob that's just not true but ok
BRETT! Go on Friday Night Tights, would be really fun
I know Brett is pointing more towards the movie as hurting Brie Larson's career, but Brie Larson is part of the reason there was such a backlash to that movie. All of her comments trashing the MCU audience and essentially saying guys suck and aren't allowed to review her movie...YIKES!
[1] Disney/MCU: We are going to produce, write, and direct movies that are woke, even though it will alienate millions of potential ticket-buyers.
[2] Sales tank.
[3] Disney/MCU: We will keep doing the same thing the same way and expect different results.
What sucks is ALL of those female heroes play awesome roles in the comics! Captain Marvel should be leading teams of heroes into battle! You can't have the MCU without these characters, but Marvel has turned this into an opportunity for new agendas. So sad.
The problem I see is the main audience wants what has been happening before. The company goes woke and tries to introduce characters to get an audience that doesn't give an F about their product. Since the new characters are aimed at a different audience, the original audience stops watching and their new audience still mostly doesn't give an F. The other big issue is basically copy/pasteing characters but changing their sex from male to female. In doing this they look lazy as F, show no original thought processing available and give people an unoriginal character that has 0 history (or was possibly forgotten for a reason aka done before but failed horribly so never done again... until now).
As usual if people want new "strong" female characters don't just copy/paste already written (or basically the same) characters and "strong" doesn't need to be physical strength.
I stopped watching all TV/movies because A) I don't have time and B) they've ruined everything with wokeness and boring characters/stories.
I feel that, I haven't seen many shows or movies recently that truly tell good story. If you were to watch one more show though, I would recommend Arcane. It was created by an in-house team and independent studio and it literally felt like finding an oasis in a desert. Amazing world building, beautiful outwork, outstanding voice acting and music, and a masterclass of writing human, flawed, and understandable characters.