ZF 8HP Transmission Oil Change - Land Rover Discovery 4 - LR4
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2022
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In this episone we change the oil of the ZF 8HP transmission installed in our 2013 SDV6 Discovery 4. This step-by-step procedure is for entertainment only. It may look like as we know what we are doing but be warned, we never did this before and you should think twice before you do this like we did. LR Time Vera&Christian is not reliable for any kind of "ever since we followed your advice" problems. Hope you enjoy the video and thanks for watching,
Vera & Christian
Our favourite source for Discovery 3 information:
www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic1...
Materials
ZF8 Lifeguard Fluid8 (6 Liters is enough)
Meetering cup
Filling Pump
A LR4
Your wife
Cold weather
Optional: GAP2D tool
Rags and brake cleaner
Discovery 4 or a similar vehicle with a ZF 8HP
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Both of you you are absolutely brilliant - informative and so so entertaining 😊
The best couple on RUclips, look forward LR Time every Sunday 👍🏻👍🏻
😊🙏🙋♀️Vera
Robin is so talented , the two of you must be so proud 🙂
That bottle opener was beautiful.💯👍
great episode u2, it's always fun to get bonus footage of your boys, you can be plenty proud of what they are doing. talent and motivation! cheers to all 4 of you...
Great video. You just have to love ZF. Changing the filter means replacing the entire pan. Increase cost, increase waste
I cant stop watching you both. Great info, good lr time with a smile. Thanks for the effort.
😊🙏🙋♀️Vera
Oh, you guys, there's that German precision again, even moving the snow off your driveway, such straight lines and right angle precision.
Apparently precision isn't practiced by my local Toyota dealer, had my new Toyota serviced midweek they've put about half a litre too much oil in the engine sump I'd estimate, so I guess, "near enough is good enough" here in Northern Australia, it's only a Toyota after all...
Good to see you're Matt's off road recovery fans too 👍.
Hey Vera and Christian, new subscriber here. I’ve been binge watching your vlogs since I found your channel. Loving your work - keep repairs and modifications coming :-)
Another wonderful video and always guaranteed to lighten my mood on Sundays. Thanks.
This is what Sundays about, late breakfast and LR time it would not be Sunday otherwise.
Keep up the good work.
I would love one of your patches when you get another delivery.
Who said German's don't have a sense of humour.... Another inspirational OCD video from the LR Time crew.
You guys got me in trouble with my wife ..I was watching full volume and after the OH my God, It's huge she came over to see what type of dirty film I was watching...LOL ..hahaha
😅👍🙋♀️Vera
I clicked the like button after the first few words were said! Great video and boy is your son talented,live the bottle opener. Thanks!🏴
I remember when I was a teenager I was helping my father change the oil in a manual transmission in his Mitsubishi. The transfer case as well. The method I settled upon in order to get the thick oil into those units, when you couldn't simply pour them in, was rather elaborate but it worked. Took each bottle and stuck it on a long flexible clear hose, put the other end inside the unit to fill. Inverted the oil bottle; cut hole in bottom of bottle, which was now the top, and inserted tip of blowgun from air compressor. Kept pressurizing the bottle which force the fluid down through the hose and into the transmission. It was slow but it worked
Sounds reasonable, absolutely. It’s not required that often anyhow. 👍 Christian
So here we go again Vera you have the patience of a saint plus you feed him!!! Just going to send my RAV4 in for auto box service it's only done 118000klm so maybe a bit early. Love the vids now retired and glad I don't have to work in the cold. Robin look after Vera as we say she is a keeper lol from NZ
Faced with the oil pan change , a not so warm garage, time running out, good choice 👍🏻 😁
Hi guys I love to watch you work on your Land Rover I look forward to seeing more best wishes phill&christine from England 🏴
I did a full transmission service 2 years ago on my LR3. Started having shift issues with 2nd gear. Took it to the LR dealer in town, they said there was nothing wrong with it🙄. Took it to an actual LR specialist shop, they said the transmission was going bad and plan on getting another vehicle 🙄. Did some research and decided to do a full service, changed the solenoids and sleeves. Total cost for parts, fluids and couple of cokes was $700. Took a couple of days because it was a big ass job. Finished up, reset the adaptations and it has been perfect. Many trips off-roading in Southern Utah and last summer a trip to Santa Cruz, CA and San Francisco, CA from Utah. Roughly 35,000 miles over last 2 years. Freaking Land Rover Dealer in Salt Lake City, don't bother.
Fantastic
Hi! I have a 2007 LR3 and it gives me the P0730 code and also the code saying it has an issue shifting from 2-3 and 3-4th. It will then Fault and limit gears. However, I can drive it fine in manual mode (not sport, but actual manual shift through all the gears myself). I've changed fluid, 4 rubber tubes, and the figure 8 seal and cleaned solenoids, but not replaced the solenoids. I can't find the problem. I'm told that the tranny is probably shot if I get the P0730 code and to get another tranny. Do you think a new set of solenoids might fix it? Or does it sound like I need another transmission? any advice is appreciated. 🙂 thanks. Josh
@@JoshJuetten I would try the solenoids, that solved my problems. Worth taking them out and testing in the least. My experience is that these transmissions are not failing, rather it is the solenoids and and seals. My advice, replace the solenoids.
@@ZachBrimhall Thanks! I'll try it.
Great video as always love the bottle opener ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
you 2 are so funny,smart and entertaining. love your show. keep it up
The Walter Röhrl comment made by Vera made my day. I miss my Audi UR but love my L.R. Sport, hello from Colorado.
😅👍 So I hope you took your UR Quattro up to Pikes Peak. Sarah'n'Tuned igot herself an UR Quattro for her RUclips Channel. 🙋♀️Vera
Love the out takes at the end of the videos..could watch a whole episode of these 🤣👍
A mechanics LED strip that fits across the under side of the bonnet are handy 👍
Another brilliant video guys 👍 That ZF gear box is in almost every big suv so this is so helpful to a lot of car owners…. Well done, that was such a good judgment call on the Pan replacement. I’d love to hear the conversation when Christian wants to change a TV channel, analysis 😂😂😂 best regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
This is a great marriage counselling channel🤩🤩🏴🇬🇧
Spectacular and beautiful forest
Great video as usual guys. Cheers from Oz 🇦🇺
Love the channel guys, you are the best !
That beer bottle opener is fantastic!
A very talented and creative young man
Afternoon Christian & Vera 🤩Yet another fully entertaining video with great information on a ZF gear box oil change 👍🏻 Love the Robin bits at the end as he’s a real craftsman 😄 And of course a 😘 for Vera lol 😆 x
😃👍Happy Easter🙋♀️Vera
Good morgen Christian and Vera. A very happy Easter 🐣 to you both too 😍
Great video from you guys as always. 🇿🇦🤞🏾
Wonderful work of Robin's! And dressed as a journeyman.
Nice job Robin
Ha ha same procedure as last year OMG, bless you both.
Great video, big thanks 👍👍👍
Superb as usual..
I use a weed sprayer bottle of 5 or 6L to do the transmission fluid in my isuzu, can pump it up and fill alot easier then 1L bottles, only costs 10$ here in New Zealand
Loved it! Great video guys! Always top content! Shame you don’t have much mud to do offroading and have fun… we do have a lot here in Costa Rica in rainy season 🙌🏻
We looked for mud everywhere yesterday to check the DSC, couldn't find any. Sometimes, mud is very usefull. 😅🙋♀️Vera
Hello Vera and Christian, I'm afraid you have rendered commercial TV in Australia "Obsolete" (for a while now). Much respect for your humour and intelect.
😊😅👍🙋♀️Vera
I just discovered your channel. It came up as a match on RUclips & i am pleased to discover it.
BOTH of you speak English absolutely excellent.
What a performance just to change the Gearbox oil. You really simplify it though. Well done.
Thanks. Check out our other videos. Especially if you drive a Toyota. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian I am going through your videos as & when Buddy.
I drive a Landrover 90. I fitted a Nissan Engine in mine. They are much better than the original 12J Engines.
Good job 👍 Christian
Another great video. However, for those of us in the UK less brave than Christian and Vera, I would suggest taking your Automatic Disco to a proper Automatic transmission specialist to change and flush the transmission, such a 3D Transmissions in Reading. Many ordinary garages cannot do this properly.
If you have a 6 speed Auto Disco 3 and it develops a vibration under acceleration between 2,000 and 3,000 engine revs and /or the rev counter needle starts to fluctuate up and down by +/- 250 RPM under load, the chances are that you transmission fluid desperately needs changing and maybe the control module on top of the gear box need replacing.
On early Disco 3’s the oil pan will be metal and needs replacing with the newer plastic one with the integral filter. It is vital that the transmission oil temperature is cold, therefore if you are waiting while the flush procedure is completed, you will need to take a good book to read. 3D will not start work on your vehicle for 2 hours, until the correct, cool oil temperature is achieved.
A flush is far better than an oil change, because the torque converter contains so much fluid that will remain in the system unless it is properly flushed.
This procedure will usually cure the vibration and fluctuating engine RPM issues, but it might take 50 miles of driving before it fully corrects itself.
It is not an expensive operation for a specialist to do and very well worth it being done.
An excellent program,Christian calls it the way it is,very accurate and informative.Neville,Toowoomba,Australia.
Great to see you back?
Nice..looks like a lot can go wrong : (. ..we have had this job done twice so far recently at around 190,000 miles in LR3 V8 4.4 Automatic Gasoline..God bless this car ..
OMG Christian! You just made Switzerland AND Greenwich redundant if we can now set our atomic clocks by when the mall crawler needs a transmission oil change - irrespective of weather and Vera’s protests. Next time, let us know far enough in advance and we send you some UK sunshine before next oil change 🌞😎
Thanks for the entertainment👊🏻🥳🤣
Gute Arbeit wie immer👌
Es wird empfohlen die original ölwanne mit integrierten Filter durch Wanne aus stahl und separate Filter zu verwenden. Nächste wechseln danach wesentlich einfacher ohne dass man Motor anheben muss möglich. Auch soll wegen kühlung vorteile bringen. Also bei LR3
OMG Well done for working on coldest day, I have some wiring to do ( putting an Anderson plug on front bumper for my viair mobile compressor for airing up tyres) but the garage floor is freezing and snow on the ground so will leave it for a few days.
😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Excelent vídeo as allways...🤙🤙💪👌👌😁😁😁
Good video guys.👍
I will be doing the transmission service on my 2012 LR4 v8. Was lucky finding a single owner rig who took care of it. The timing chain, guides and cover were done at 96k miles. Currently at 118k mikes. Just for piece of mine I think it's a good idea. Have watched your series on air suspension too. Want to get to that as well but it's cold out now😮. I think I can fit her in my garage in access height. Have a BajaRack and 23zero rtt. Will be tight but you've motivated me to get to work!
Edit. Scratch that. My wife wouldn't even try to help me do this lol
Check our latest video. We removed the oil pan on the 8HP and it is a walk in the park. Christian
Greetings from Florida!
30 degrees centigrade
Ooh your D4 mileage is getting into the ballpark of needing timing belt change. Looking forward to you guys doing the timed fuel pump belt in particular - in fact i am depending on it ;-) . Great videos as ever
😳I don't even want to think about that job, we have done it last year on Fabians Discovery 3, twice, because the first refurbished HPFP was just repainted. And he had to buy a brand new one, which was hard to come by, for a lot of money. Here is the video link ruclips.net/video/Q8Q1vnPbQRw/видео.html 👍🙋♀️Vera
Your son's Blacksmiths work is amazing, well done to him.
Great video again! Love to see Robin's forge work. Master craftsman!
My understanding is that if you fully lower the passenger window, this disables the air suspension from lowering. I use this trick to lock the Discovery into off road height when I clean the wheel arches. Mine is a 14MY D4 not sure if this works for earlier models???
I will check this out. Thanks for the hint. Christian
Wow.... That ZF is a real pain in the ass to do the fluid change compared to other transmissions, but that's normal for Land Rover to make things more complicated. 😄 Good job, guys!
We don't recommend an oil replacement on the transmission as all the millions of miles of road and off road testing we have done, says it not required, simple as that.
ZF automatic transmissions 5HP / 6HP / 8HP are converter automatic ... there is no other way for oil change
ZF is the leading company and build 3 million or even more transmissions 8HP per year,
there are up to 300 variants and special software adaptions depending on brand and model,
they know what they do
It’s not just Land Rover, my wife’s Ram 1500 also uses this transmission.
Hi guys another great and interesting video, love the banter between the both of you !, matter of interest what is the colour of your d4 please . Thanks mark
I recently did my L405 Range Rover ZF gearbox oil change and was recommended to add 2 sachets of DR Tranny Shudderfix.
We don‘t add anything to any liquid we put in our vehicles. 🙋♀️
Just when we'd run out of "Oh my God's!" 😁 Same gearbox in Jaguar, so, if you don't mind, I'll share with some there for info
👍🙏🙋♀️Vera
Robin should start a RUclips channel I love his work.
i would have left it until it was a bit warmer with my hands are cold in the house never mind out side take care both of you and thank you for the video and just another tip check the filler plug on the ird on the freelander 1 as they often are solid
Sold the Freelander last summer unfortunatly. 😥🙋♀️Vera
very good
Get olight swivel. It’s like the ultimate work light, cheap and you can get multiple. Has carabiner, magnets and torch as well as wide beam. Best light I have had to work on the car.
Forgot to mention it’s small but packs a punch in light.
A suggestion… Why not add a switch to save pulling the fuse every time you want to disable the suspension, either in the engine bay or cabin?
That's just what an English vehicle needs; aftermarket electrical work
@@kevinbarry71 😂😂😂😂
Great video. I have a VW Amarok in Australia with the same ZF8 gearbox. VW also do not say to change the oil but I will do it at 80,000km. I sometimes also tow a heavy caravan. Getting things hot here is not as big an issue as with you guys.
😅👍 🙋♀️Vera
The problem is ... the oil is lifetime (not only for ZF ... others as well)
but
lifetime is anything between 60.000 to 100.000 km depending to the brand
lifetime is mentioned but not the rest of it,
so if any problem will came ... the car is mostly out of any warranty
80% of defects are due to n.o.k. oil - better change always after some period
@@a___________r414 the auto box on my 2001 E39 diesel is supposed to "lifetime" filled according to BMW. What it really means is that it is filled for the lifetime of any manufacturers warranty.
Meilleurs mecano Land rover 🥇🥇🥇🌍🌎👍👍👍✊✊✊
I always like to cut saw an old bottle in half and use it like a trough to divert the fluid away from the exhaust pipe and into my bucket. That way I don't have oil spots on my driveway or the smell of burning oil as the exhaust heats it up. Not necessary but it's faster to saw a bottle in half than it is to scrub spots off white cement.
Best couple ever
Hi Vera and Christian, I strongly recommend you go for a proper flush when I see the condition of the oil you got out and the age of the car. I have a 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover with the ZF 8HP and initially my Land Rover dealer did what you do (3-4 litres change without changing the filter and pan), which didn’t really improve the behaviour of the gearbox. I went this year to a garage that has a transmission flush machine, which allows to flush all the gearbox including the torque converter and cooler. The gearbox is now super smooth when cold again and shifts much faster. As the oil wears slowly with time, we don’t realise the difference and a not maintained 8HP is still shifting better than a lot of other transmissions on the market. Go for the flush and pan change!
Maybe the garage did not reset the adaptation values and the 2nd place did. Mine shifted much faster after the work. I don’t think the shift speed had anything to do with the oil quality. The oil which came out looked clean and clear. I will do the next change with filter in two years but when it is warmer. One thing will never take place: one of our cars in a service shop. I rather push it of a cliff 😂 sure it is better to do a flush but a oil change is better than nothing. Thanks for your comment. Christian
hi Vera & Christian ,it well worth you changing the pan which has the intergral filter and partical magnets ,having see you skills this is no problem for you ,if you remove 2 bolts from one side engine mount and jack the engine it simple.
Yes, we will do this rather sooner than later. But was too cold last week. Christian
6mm aluminium bolts with a torque of 10nm are fun to work with. Unbelievable I’ve seen these taken out with an air gun, me they shear with a 1/4 racket and three fingers. Good call on the sump cover.
Hi Vera & Christian, important feedback from the TOYOTA owners down under. I just measured this with my German Holzgliedermaßstab (wrongly called a Zollstock): We TOYOTA Whatscruiser drivers don't need necessarily a Skidplate as my ground clearance is 500mm to under the engine. We just have them for fun or when daily driving over the crocs and roos here. And we also don't need this not council approved "Grube" as we can just roll underneath our Whatscruiser without lifting it. No fuse to remove either. Btw. good news, after 12 years our Whatscruiser Denso alternator started to make some minor noise. Finally something to fix. Two new bearings and a brush set should do it. I will also change out all V-belts, I think they are about 10 years in, still look good. But it's so boring that I will just change them. Thanks for the oil change video anyway, I've got the same gearbox in my X3 here. Best regards from Perth
Hello Alex, I posted early today, hoping to still catch some clicks from Australia before bed time. The closest we come to drive over a crock is, if our marten (Marder) eats his lunch sitting on the engine block. In fact, what Vera calls a skid plate keeps the critters out of the engine bay. Our Freelander was all open and there was often leftover bird remains rotten in the engine bay. The curb stones at the mall are only 25cm high and allow passage in regular height. What a well designed vehicle. Talk to you soon. Christian
Oh, you can sell those V belts on eBay as slightly used in 1A condition 😂
For a quick second I forgot I was watching a video!! O my God
In the old days we had a thing called a dipstick that worked really well but that term was also used to name a stupid person.
Lol.
I paid a garage to to change the gear box oil on my d4 ,and they failed to put the oil back in , when we checked it and drianed it we only got 2 litres out of it
Vera, I feel your stress. I am sure this would not happen to you but often when doing jobs with a partner it is a recipe for disaster. When something goes wrong it will inevitably be the fault of the least experience partner no matter what has happened.
You're early! Yay!
Oil comes out from drain plug because the right fill-up must be checked with the engine running at idle and transmission oil temp at 35 degrees 😜
Great fun video you two, Vera's voice over is the best - oh my God! Ok so one point, when first opening the oil level/filler plug a lot of oil discharged. Was it over-filled previously? ZF boxes are the best by a mile, but need their "regular" oil change or else failure. Service pits are frowned on but sum wheel chocks would be an essential safety item, Dyno straps are probably out of the question. Warm the garage first with a propane space heater, will help in your very chilly climate. I would have liked to see the filter go in but your vehicles receive more TLC than virtually any other. Just one more point, would you recommend a manual over an automatic when buying a Discovery 3/4? Cheered up my start to the day now on with my Sunday chores!
Hello Bob, Without the engine running, the oil flows into the pan and this is why there was oil comming out of the fill plug when I opened it first. I think this is normal. This is why the level check is done with the engine running. The LR4 is not available with a manual transmission. Only the LR3 up to 2009 is. I think the manual transmission suits the "weak" 190 hp Diesel very well and it makes it fun to drive. But the automatic is also really nice, especially in traffic. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Thanks Christian, slightly strange engine running requirement, but dry sumps are the same, it's all a case of packaging I guess. Is the 3 manual significantly more economic that the auto? I read somewhere that the 3litre was better thermally than the 2.7... i.e. more efficient.
I was doing that alone and that was one of the most stresfull service of my L319 I ever made.
I made one flush, and changed oil pan also. It's pain in the a.. especially when you do it from the garage floor.
I bet it is. Good job if you got this done. Christian
It is not clear to me why they used less ATF than what is indicated in the workshop manual? excellent channel!
Great entertainment as always .
A lot of time and money wasted i think , it's better just to have the transmission Flushed . But changing some of the gearbox oil ( diluting old oil ) is better than doing nothing ( like Toyota owners ) i suppose .
Nice to see the Mall Crawler getting some Love 🔧👍😎
I enjoyed the video as always, where can I order the patches? Funny you should mention mud in Australia, ,my home town of Melbourne is often referred to as " Mudbourne" cheers, Damo
The whole East coast too I'd think at the moment, been pretty wet.
You're wearing a dress in my pit!!! Classic! T-shirt worthy!
Christian, I recommend just removing the negative battery cable instead of pulling the fuse because they are not designed for frequent removal and therefore might weaken the connection at the fuse box thereby causing erratic behavior which then might necessitate the complicated and expensive task of replacing the fuse box.
I will keep a eye on this. Thanks. Christian
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Poor Vera. Christian I hope you gave Vera a hug after all the stress. 😉 All those commands & she has to make lunch. Had I tried that I think I’d needed a divorce lawyer. 😆
😅👍 No worries here from our side.🙋♀️Vera
I am surprised that software you install in your mobile phone as a diagnostic tool for Discovery 3/4. What is its name? And how the LR4 communicate with your mobile? Is it from Land Rover? How accurate is it? Will it cover all features on LR4? Finally, I appreciate very much each program you and your partner have uploaded so far. I really love the program on the LR3 engine recondition. You have explained to me many details I looked for but only found in LR manuals - hard to understand.
Hello Phu, we use the GAP diagnostic tool. It is expensive, around 600€, but really useful. Here is a link to their website. www.gap-diagnostic.com/shop/iidtool-bt/ 🙋♀Vera
Hi ?...'nice work its impressive an James um Kenya just asking can i use the dipstick tube to fill in gear transmission?
The gear box does not have a dip stick. Christian
Again guys, great video ...can I ask where you got the hand pump from? I've just bought a draper one, when you pump it leaks from the plunger shaft, probably the seal has broken or not built right, and being a sealed unit! ...Regards Norm's
I can't find the link anymore unfortunatley. But appearantly not from Amazon. 🙋♀️Vera
Personally I would have compared Vera with Lizzy instead of Ed !
She brought up Ed 😂 not me. We love Lizzy too. Christian
Another great video. I have a D3 and I'm getting transmission faults and limited gears only ( F on dash) it's going into the garage next week but I feel it's going to be expensive so I think I will be selling my D3. Would low transmission oil put up the fault I'm getting.
It could be, but the most likely cause on the ZF6HP26 is solenoid/seals failure on the Mechatronics unit. These transmissions also blow bushings, but it is less frequent. You can search for ZF6HP26 transmission problems on RUclips and you will find a lot of good info. If you take it to a shop they will most likely tell you that the transmission is bad and needs to be replaced which is a $5000+ job. Best to take it to a transmission specialist that knows these transmissions (BMW specialists do) if you are not comfortable wrenching on it yourself.
It doesn't help that Land Rover tells their customers that the transmission is a sealed unit. These transmissions need their fluids changed every 60K Miles.
Have you watched this video? ruclips.net/video/fy_0ym793-8/видео.html Do you have a diagnostic tool? 🙋♀️ Vera
What kind of scan tool do you use? Helpfull movie as always!
We have a GAPIID and a Icarsoft 930i. Christian
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Christian and Vera - a question if you don't mind? I'm on holiday in Belgium in my Disco 3 with my caravan, driving to Liverpool on Tuesday. I am occasionally experiencing slipping revs and shudder. I think that maybe my gearbox oil needs changing. I don't know if the torque converter is already damaged. I have 2 tubes of Dr. Tranny. Should I find a garage and ask them to put the Dr Tranny in my gearbox or ask them the change the oil before putting the Dr Tranny in it.
Avoid resetting the adaptation unless you have done at least a partial rebuilt to fix excessive correction values. The adaptation gets updates all the time, but you essentially reset it to make the gearbox run outside of optimal pressure and time delays until it re-learns what it already knows. That may trigger mechanical problems on worn transmissions.
Hmm, that’s not what the manual says. Too late anyhow. Thanks. Christian
Lunch is going to be late friends , their occupied with an oil slick . Magic all the way .😉
Hi.i did mine a little while ago and it took 7 litres of oil and filter.
Great video guys, I have a D4 how do you know which box 6/8 is in thanks also how do I go about getting a patch and stickers
Sorry, but you have to watch this video first before I answer that question. ruclips.net/video/fy_0ym793-8/видео.html Then I'll be very happy to send you the info to our stickers, but you need to send me an email. I can't give out that information, especially the email, here in the comment section. 👍🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I’ve watched the video and got the message lol know your land rover 👍 so mines the early 6speed box .another question ,I have a td5 defender and the discovery 4 which gap tool will cater for both ? Thanks Simon
I think the GAP IiD as well as the Icarsoft LR tools work. The gap requires a license for each vin which is 75$ I think. Christian