I trained for several years in about 5 WC lineages ....then in 1995 I met Master WSL.....and he tore away what I thought knew....I have studied his WAY OF ever since here in the UK and in Hong Kong ....he defined Wing Chun in so many ways RIP Sigung .....Great videos by the way ...logical and methodical ....refreshing to watch ..thanks for sharing practicality in motion😊
Good Sharing Adam. I never had the opportunity to meet Wong Shun Leung, but I met Gary Lam one of his students and meeting him changed everything for me, after 18yrs in TWC Wing chun and thinking I knew what WC was, after 1 Day with Gary I had to go back to square one lol, its a completely different system than most of the WC out there, a higher quality system I would say...since then I've researched other students of WSL, Philip Bayer and such is also different and high quality, but overall the idea of lat sau jik chung, developing structure and seeing it as a "skill set" rather than a fighting art is the big differences
Interesting I had the same experience. After 15 years in Leung Ting and W Cheung system I got my ass kicked at a Gary Lam seminar by a guy with a year of Wing Chun. Since then I studied and I keep studying with Gary Lam and Evangelos Vasilakis his master student in Europe.
NICE STORY! I MET HIS STUDENT WAN KAM IN HONG KONG. I WENT TO HIS SCHOOL. HE DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, BUT HE SPENT TIME TEACHING ME PRINCIPLES OF WING CHUN, BY DRAWING A SKETCH ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND THRU A TRANSLATOR. HE WAS VERY KIND TO ME AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE. I HUNG OUT FOR 3 NIGHTS, BUT THEN I HAD TO CATCH MY FLIGHT HOME.
@@brookatkins8111 Thanks Brook, that would be great! I would like to train with him and have his connection to the legends of the past. Maybe I should make plans to return to Hong Kong. Meeting him was a special moment for me. To me he is a living legend of WC.
Adam you are by far my favorite Wing Chun youtuber. I trained in Wing Chun 30 years ago with a couple of Instructors here in Canton Ohio area. I always had dreams of training with someone from WSL lineage but life got past me alot faster than I anticipated. I am 50 this year and I enjoy your content so much thank you for sharing all your knowledge and skills with us. I firmly believe that Sifu WSL was by far the best that ever walked the earth at Wing Chun. Anyone stupid enough to physically challenge him back in those days I'm sure learned the lesson in 10 seconds or less. Thank you so very much.
Keep on training if you can mate - I’m in my 50s & I still train in it & other art forms - age is just a number - but you’re right by saying life does get in the way !
Many here in Holland had the same experience as you did Adam. In 1974 the first Wing-Chun Kung Fu association was founded by a student of Wong Kiu. Wong Kiu I believe was one of the first five students of Ip man in Hong Kong, mostly did private lessons and actually had a hand in setting up and reffereeing the beimo matches. So this association spend many years under the guidance of Wong Kiu before meeting Wong Shun Leung in 1994/1995. They felt they had to re-learn everything they were taught and many left the association to join the association of Phillip Bayer. The founder of the association knew he had to also adapt and sent his son, who'd been training Wing-Chun since the age of six to learn the WSL method from phillip bayer and later on from Barry Lee, Wong Shun Leungs best student. My teacher always says he regards Barry Lee as his true teacher. With Barry as his teacher he had acces to the best Wing-Chun out there, but don't be mistaken. Barry's greatness came through persistence, hard work and the strong focus on basics. There's an article written about Barry Lee called "The Machine", which gives an impression of his training. The ability to explain every single detail and nuance of the forms is a key feature of Barry Lee Ving-Tsun. I've heard Bill Dowding say it would take Barry 5 to 6 hours to initially explain Siu Lim Tao. But as great as this acces to such a source is, it also has it downsides. This lineage is very different from most in the way they approach training, you are not allowed to progress further if not deemed ready. You could be an instructor in the school I train at and spend a whole day just punching the bag whenever you train with the more senior guys under Barry.
Great Story ! Not all teachers are great teacher's. Great teacher's want to make sure their students understand and comprehend everything they are being taught. And will patiently take the time necessary so the student understands. This applies to all subject matter as well as Wing Chun. I can count on one hand all the teacher's in my lifetime that took the time so I could learn what they were teaching me. But the door swings both ways and the student has to be eager to learn and want to understand what the teacher is explaining. Keep up your great videos !
As if I needed any more convincing of Adam's quality as a wing chun practitioner and sharer of the art - The way he categorically denies a lineage and explains things so simply and directly (despite the complexity of the concepts) marks him out as a genuine master. Way to side step the interminable politics of wing chun lineages, and yet be able to absorb the masters teachings. Thank you for sharing. Reminds me of the way Nino Bernardo speaks of Wong.
Greetings Sifu Chan, thank you for sharing that story. My 1st contact with WC I complained on stance work and was told STFU and Train. We laughed about it and years later found out it works.
Adam, I hope you get to meet one of Wong Shun Leung's senior students: Wan Kam Leung. He was with Wong Shun Leung when he back in 1973 did that screen test with Bruce Lee. I am kind of proud to say that I was one-inch punched by Wan Kam Leung a few years ago while holding a small focus mitt and I flew backwards - with a very unique experience of the force going backwards and then changing downwards. His Wing Chun structure is very unique compared to the "mainstream" Wing Chun.
@@axelstone3131 I don't speak Cantonese, so I was not able to communicate with him, but I got him to sign a few photos of him and Bruce to a couple of friends of mine and for myself. Every time I am in Hong Kong I go to see him.
It's no joke he, Grandmaster (yes my lineage) is the king of talking hands, his wing Chun is called Vingtsunology, in Chinese called 詠春拳學, Ving tsun kuen hok Cantonese, which means more than just a martial art style, it s beyond fighting, philosophy, science. When naming it 學, it's more of an academic subject. And he also picked up lots of fights to verify wing Chun techniques, and concepts, that s how the king of talking hands come
One disadvantage about kicking your opponent is that should he successfully block you with his arm/hand (very wing chun) you would be thrown off balance. Unless you can recover quickly enough as if the balance had not been disturbed - and then it becomes a lesser disadvantage. As soon as you kick one leg, you would be supported with only one leg. We are symmetrically supported by 2 legs. Hence Bruce does the flying kick to take down the opponent. Or he will kick low, so the opponent cannot block the low kick, and at the same time the opponent is disturbed by that kick. Chuck Norris said that he introduced the concept of kicking high to the body, popular in karate, and others arts, to Bruce Lee. But the kick would have to be very fast to readily reestablish stance, and very powerful to hopefully disable the opponent with the force close to the force of a flying kick. And it looks like Bruce had refined his attacking high kicks to the point of being as effective as his flying kicks. In an interview (in hong kong TVB some years ago) Wong Shun Leung was joking about how naughty Bruce Lee was in that he had tricked his classmates into not attending the lessons by telling them that Teacher Wong "is not in the classroom that day." Bruce Lee according to the interview with Wong had asked Teacher Wong if he can teach him only, and no one else. Teacher Wong thought that it seemed a bit selfish, and declined. That was why Bruce had to trick his classmates, so that he can have Teacher Wong all to himself for the lesson. I understand why he did that, since you said how much you had learned in just a few hours alone with Wong Shun Leung. Therefore, the verdict is that Bruce was not all that naughty or selfish. Perhaps just a little...like everyone else. He was indeed intelligent.
Great story. It is always an honor to meet someone from the inner circle of Ip Man's students. Have you ever met Mr. Duncan Leung? If not, I would strongly recommend that.
Whenever i see wing chun haters online and ive seen and argued with a LOT of them, their interpretation of wing chun is what they see in the films (Ip Man etc) I always get down to the bottom line that is, application!! personally I dont remain static i personally dont enter into a situation where i intend to "block & counter im aggressive and i blast forwards straight down the line giving them no time to settle putting them on the back foot. This is seen time and time again in real fights where an aggressor does exactly that and more often than not, wins the day. We naturally step back out of danger to avoid whatever threat is in front of us. its called "fight or flight" This is physics and if you understand the nature of who we are, what makes us tick and how we act given certain stimulus then you can dictate Ive seen Wong many times on You tube and the concepts he uses are sound. He continually presses forward like a steam train you wont ever see him (nor others of his capacity) just waiting to be attacked . . ."attack is the best form of defence" and nobody does it better than Wong Ive just finnished mathew Polly's book on Bruce and the insights to how it was back in those days in Hong Kong are a fascinating read especially the dynamic between Bruce, Ip Man and Wong.
Out of all of WSL students, people choose Phillip Bayer or Gary Lam. I choose Philip Ng. His chi sao in my opinion is the most straightforward, fast, and no wasted movements.
That was cool. I do almost all GARY LAM WING CHUN. That is most definitely the closest thing you can get to #wongsheungleung because Gary personifies the HONK KONG FIGHTING STYLE and CHI SAO being the spirit and soul, is most important. How does your stuff face off against other SKILLED FIGHTERS. 😉💥☮️that brand, and lineage is the best. 1 day is enough for me. 1. WE TAKE 2. WE HIT 3. WE LET GO 4. WE PUSH 5. WE TAN 6. WE PAK 7. WE BONG 8. WE COVER 8. WE QUAN. To use. Not to copy. ☺️💥
Adam hi" I've been watching your videos quite a while . I've also been recently watching a practitioner in France performing pakmei. His strikes are lighting fast. " this system looks brutal and it's traditional. What is your take on this system compare to wingchun. Thank you
3 wing chun masters. W c m 1 had a problem with w c m 2 who was a bully. W c m 1 asked w c m 3 to check w c m 2. W c m 3 clearly changed w c m 2 mind on picking on w c m 1. W c m 3 is my Sigung. My Sifu always said. You are only as good as your Sifu. My Sibaak or uncle was a student of w c m 1. He had a great center. Firm hands. Clean forms. But when it came to footwork, off hand fighting, or any type of sparring. It was a non factor. When students didn't follow the chi sao recipe he would get upset. His routine was keep center, lop sao, or tan da. Nothing more. He never wanted to learn my Sifu's way and his stubbornness was his downfall. My Sifu always emphasized the importance of footwork. On RUclips there is a video of my Sigung, Wong Shun Leung, and Chu Shong Tin doing Siu Lim Tao. My Wing Chun is Jiu Wan lineage. But we have very close ties with the Yip Man Tong.
This is one of the major flaws of traditional martial arts, is not enough sparring imo. Imagine if you have 6 years of training in boxing, you would be a pretty good fighter at that point. But with 6 years training in wc, Adam still seemed like he wasn't a competant fighter.
Awesome story - Wong was very gracious to teach you as a kid for that day, and he really planted those seeds in that one day!
I am not a Wing Chun student, but what you said I can relate to. When you meet someone of that calibre, it opens up an entirely new world.
I trained for several years in about 5 WC lineages ....then in 1995 I met Master
WSL.....and he tore away what I thought knew....I have studied his WAY OF ever since here in the UK and in Hong Kong ....he defined Wing Chun in so many ways RIP Sigung .....Great videos by the way ...logical and methodical ....refreshing to watch ..thanks for sharing practicality in motion😊
@jin-outlook up WSLVT UK Chinese close boxing. Based midlands/Staffs area. Training Wong shun Leung method.
Good Sharing Adam. I never had the opportunity to meet Wong Shun Leung, but I met Gary Lam one of his students and meeting him changed everything for me, after 18yrs in TWC Wing chun and thinking I knew what WC was, after 1 Day with Gary I had to go back to square one lol, its a completely different system than most of the WC out there, a higher quality system I would say...since then I've researched other students of WSL, Philip Bayer and such is also different and high quality, but overall the idea of lat sau jik chung, developing structure and seeing it as a "skill set" rather than a fighting art is the big differences
Interesting I had the same experience. After 15 years in Leung Ting and W Cheung system I got my ass kicked at a Gary Lam seminar by a guy with a year of Wing Chun. Since then I studied and I keep studying with Gary Lam and Evangelos Vasilakis his master student in Europe.
NICE STORY! I MET HIS STUDENT WAN KAM IN HONG KONG. I WENT TO HIS SCHOOL. HE DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, BUT HE SPENT TIME TEACHING ME PRINCIPLES OF WING CHUN, BY DRAWING A SKETCH ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND THRU A TRANSLATOR. HE WAS VERY KIND TO ME AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE. I HUNG OUT FOR 3 NIGHTS, BUT THEN I HAD TO CATCH MY FLIGHT HOME.
He’s an awesome instructor & still my Sifu - even if you can’t get back to him he has schools all over the world
@@brookatkins8111 Thanks Brook, that would be great! I would like to train with him and have his connection to the legends of the past. Maybe I should make plans to return to Hong Kong. Meeting him was a special moment for me. To me he is a living legend of WC.
@@zminvestllc9919 you absolutely should ! He is a living legend. It’s always a pleasure to learn from someone like him.
Adam you are by far my favorite Wing Chun youtuber. I trained in Wing Chun 30 years ago with a couple of Instructors here in Canton Ohio area. I always had dreams of training with someone from WSL lineage but life got past me alot faster than I anticipated. I am 50 this year and I enjoy your content so much thank you for sharing all your knowledge and skills with us. I firmly believe that Sifu WSL was by far the best that ever walked the earth at Wing Chun. Anyone stupid enough to physically challenge him back in those days I'm sure learned the lesson in 10 seconds or less. Thank you so very much.
Keep on training if you can mate - I’m in my 50s & I still train in it & other art forms - age is just a number - but you’re right by saying life does get in the way !
@mat2746,
What part of LA ?
Do you know of any contact or website he has ?
Sigung has unfortunately passed away. There will never be his like again 🙏
@@MrStClair247 Alambera in his Back yard
@@Samman319 ,
Who ?
Many here in Holland had the same experience as you did Adam. In 1974 the first Wing-Chun Kung Fu association was founded by a student of Wong Kiu. Wong Kiu I believe was one of the first five students of Ip man in Hong Kong, mostly did private lessons and actually had a hand in setting up and reffereeing the beimo matches. So this association spend many years under the guidance of Wong Kiu before meeting Wong Shun Leung in 1994/1995. They felt they had to re-learn everything they were taught and many left the association to join the association of Phillip Bayer. The founder of the association knew he had to also adapt and sent his son, who'd been training Wing-Chun since the age of six to learn the WSL method from phillip bayer and later on from Barry Lee, Wong Shun Leungs best student. My teacher always says he regards Barry Lee as his true teacher. With Barry as his teacher he had acces to the best Wing-Chun out there, but don't be mistaken. Barry's greatness came through persistence, hard work and the strong focus on basics. There's an article written about Barry Lee called "The Machine", which gives an impression of his training.
The ability to explain every single detail and nuance of the forms is a key feature of Barry Lee Ving-Tsun. I've heard Bill Dowding say it would take Barry 5 to 6 hours to initially explain Siu Lim Tao. But as great as this acces to such a source is, it also has it downsides. This lineage is very different from most in the way they approach training, you are not allowed to progress further if not deemed ready. You could be an instructor in the school I train at and spend a whole day just punching the bag whenever you train with the more senior guys under Barry.
Very interesting...thanks for sharing Mr. Floris
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Great Story ! Not all teachers are great teacher's. Great teacher's want to make sure their students understand and comprehend everything they are being taught. And will patiently take the time necessary so the student understands. This applies to all subject matter as well as Wing Chun. I can count on one hand all the teacher's in my lifetime that took the time so I could learn what they were teaching me. But the door swings both ways and the student has to be eager to learn and want to understand what the teacher is explaining. Keep up your great videos !
As if I needed any more convincing of Adam's quality as a wing chun practitioner and sharer of the art - The way he categorically denies a lineage and explains things so simply and directly (despite the complexity of the concepts) marks him out as a genuine master. Way to side step the interminable politics of wing chun lineages, and yet be able to absorb the masters teachings. Thank you for sharing. Reminds me of the way Nino Bernardo speaks of Wong.
Like a my Sifu Franco Regalzi, thanx for your testimoniance Sifu Adam Chan
Greetings Sifu Chan, thank you for sharing that story.
My 1st contact with WC I complained on stance work and was told STFU and Train. We laughed about it and years later found out it works.
Thank you Adam, great story.
Adam, I hope you get to meet one of Wong Shun Leung's senior students: Wan Kam Leung. He was with Wong Shun Leung when he back in 1973 did that screen test with Bruce Lee. I am kind of proud to say that I was one-inch punched by Wan Kam Leung a few years ago while holding a small focus mitt and I flew backwards - with a very unique experience of the force going backwards and then changing downwards. His Wing Chun structure is very unique compared to the "mainstream" Wing Chun.
He did the same to me !! He’s power is awesome & quite an eye opener
WKL is an exceptionally talented martial artist, he's really really good, I love how he moves.
Did he talk about Bruce with you?
@@axelstone3131 I don't speak Cantonese, so I was not able to communicate with him, but I got him to sign a few photos of him and Bruce to a couple of friends of mine and for myself. Every time I am in Hong Kong I go to see him.
@@GungFuIsGungFu very cool 👍🏻
It's no joke he, Grandmaster (yes my lineage) is the king of talking hands, his wing Chun is called Vingtsunology, in Chinese called 詠春拳學, Ving tsun kuen hok Cantonese, which means more than just a martial art style, it s beyond fighting, philosophy, science. When naming it 學, it's more of an academic subject. And he also picked up lots of fights to verify wing Chun techniques, and concepts, that s how the king of talking hands come
Would to hear more about this - Wong Shung Leung - sorry if I misspelled
One disadvantage about kicking your opponent is that should he successfully block you with his arm/hand (very wing chun) you would be thrown off balance. Unless you can recover quickly enough as if the balance had not been disturbed - and then it becomes a lesser disadvantage. As soon as you kick one leg, you would be supported with only one leg. We are symmetrically supported by 2 legs. Hence Bruce does the flying kick to take down the opponent. Or he will kick low, so the opponent cannot block the low kick, and at the same time the opponent is disturbed by that kick. Chuck Norris said that he introduced the concept of kicking high to the body, popular in karate, and others arts, to Bruce Lee. But the kick would have to be very fast to readily reestablish stance, and very powerful to hopefully disable the opponent with the force close to the force of a flying kick.
And it looks like Bruce had refined his attacking high kicks to the point of being as effective as his flying kicks.
In an interview (in hong kong TVB some years ago) Wong Shun Leung was joking about how naughty Bruce Lee was in that he had tricked his classmates into not attending the lessons by telling them that Teacher Wong "is not in the classroom that day." Bruce Lee according to the interview with Wong had asked Teacher Wong if he can teach him only, and no one else. Teacher Wong thought that it seemed a bit selfish, and declined. That was why Bruce had to trick his classmates, so that he can have Teacher Wong all to himself for the lesson. I understand why he did that, since you said how much you had learned in just a few hours alone with Wong Shun Leung.
Therefore, the verdict is that Bruce was not all that naughty or selfish. Perhaps just a little...like everyone else. He was indeed intelligent.
Great story. It is always an honor to meet someone from the inner circle of Ip Man's students. Have you ever met Mr. Duncan Leung? If not, I would strongly recommend that.
Duncan is absolutely amazing! He has trained many great Sifus and fighters. I second this recommendation.
Duncan Leung is the main man, to be sure 👌
Whenever i see wing chun haters online and ive seen and argued with a LOT of them, their interpretation of wing chun is what they see in the films (Ip Man etc)
I always get down to the bottom line that is, application!! personally I dont remain static i personally dont enter into a situation where i intend to "block & counter im aggressive and i blast forwards straight down the line giving them no time to settle putting them on the back foot.
This is seen time and time again in real fights where an aggressor does exactly that and more often than not, wins the day. We naturally step back out of danger to avoid whatever threat is in front of us. its called "fight or flight"
This is physics and if you understand the nature of who we are, what makes us tick and how we act given certain stimulus then you can dictate
Ive seen Wong many times on You tube and the concepts he uses are sound. He continually presses forward like a steam train you wont ever see him (nor others of his capacity) just waiting to be attacked . . ."attack is the best form of defence" and nobody does it better than Wong
Ive just finnished mathew Polly's book on Bruce and the insights to how it was back in those days in Hong Kong are a fascinating read especially the dynamic between Bruce, Ip Man and Wong.
Great story! So inspiring!
Out of all of WSL students, people choose Phillip Bayer or Gary Lam. I choose Philip Ng. His chi sao in my opinion is the most straightforward, fast, and no wasted movements.
how about Wan Kam Leung and Jerry Yeung？
That was cool. I do almost all GARY LAM WING CHUN. That is most definitely the closest thing you can get to #wongsheungleung because Gary personifies the HONK KONG FIGHTING STYLE and CHI SAO being the spirit and soul, is most important. How does your stuff face off against other SKILLED FIGHTERS. 😉💥☮️that brand, and lineage is the best. 1 day is enough for me. 1. WE TAKE 2. WE HIT 3. WE LET GO 4. WE PUSH 5. WE TAN 6. WE PAK 7. WE BONG 8. WE COVER 8. WE QUAN. To use. Not to copy. ☺️💥
Quick question Mr. Chen. Does your Sil Lim Tau Ebook go over some of these details?
Awesome story....
I toooold you guys. Stay tuned, you never know what stories this guy will share!
Adam hi" I've been watching your videos quite a while . I've also been recently watching a practitioner in France performing pakmei. His strikes are lighting fast. " this system looks brutal and it's traditional. What is your take on this system compare to wingchun. Thank you
Whats the name of the practitioner ?
Are there any videos of him or does he have a channel ?
It’s cool because Wong is portrayed in Ip Man 2
Good story and statements
Wong Shun Leung is my grandmaster。My master is Chiu Hok Yin
3 wing chun masters. W c m 1 had a problem with w c m 2 who was a bully. W c m 1 asked w c m 3 to check w c m 2. W c m 3 clearly changed w c m 2 mind on picking on w c m 1. W c m 3 is my Sigung. My Sifu always said. You are only as good as your Sifu. My Sibaak or uncle was a student of w c m 1. He had a great center. Firm hands. Clean forms. But when it came to footwork, off hand fighting, or any type of sparring. It was a non factor. When students didn't follow the chi sao recipe he would get upset. His routine was keep center, lop sao, or tan da. Nothing more. He never wanted to learn my Sifu's way and his stubbornness was his downfall. My Sifu always emphasized the importance of footwork. On RUclips there is a video of my Sigung, Wong Shun Leung, and Chu Shong Tin doing Siu Lim Tao. My Wing Chun is Jiu Wan lineage. But we have very close ties with the Yip Man Tong.
Muito bom parabéns gostei muito
I know you can't learn kung fu from a book but didn't Wong Shun Leung write a book or someone wrote a book about him years ago?
This is gold
This is one of the major flaws of traditional martial arts, is not enough sparring imo. Imagine if you have 6 years of training in boxing, you would be a pretty good fighter at that point. But with 6 years training in wc, Adam still seemed like he wasn't a competant fighter.
Sifu, how can i learn from you
Wing chun gets a bad rap. But im.sure if you know it properly it is great
We need movies of him not Ip Man, considering he was Bruce Lee's true teacher.
First
So Master Wong changed your kung fu because he showed you a lot of cool stuff. Well how about showing us some of it...
Sure thing, just watch the videos on this channel..
He probably already has
Chinese/ Hakka people like to hide things right in front of you, it's a Confucius thing my grandmaster said to me