This is just amazing. Everyone who suffers from OCD should have opportunity to hear this man's theory! I've been suffering for OCD (rumination based) my whole life, was medicated for it 13 years, went to many psychiatrist and even more psychologists. Nothing worked. Thank you dr Michael J. Greenberg 🙏 You are revolutionary.
I have been watching videos that feature him. Initially i was a bit sceptical and also didn’t like his criticisms of ACT as it helped me. I did traditional ERP for my OCD and got much better than I had in years and kind of resigned myself to living with a sort of background anxiety as I was living a normal life etc. But i checked out his website and thought I’ll tryout his approach from the material he has available. Oh my life! wow - literally within days i got down to zero anxiety which I hadn’t felt in years!! It was really quite simple and makes absolute complete logical sense. Rumination is the problem, rumination is a compulsion (a safety behaviour) and therefore a choice and I can choose to not ruminate. Nothing else, I had a lot of tools etc - but I can now see this doesn’t have to be life long you really can get all the way better. I was not starting from scratch and have a good understanding of my OCD and CBT approaches, but to be able to do this at home on my own and quickly, its amazing. Yes rumination is the problem and we can not do it, not replace it, or avoid it, or push it away - we just stop doing it. Amazing, can’t be more thankful 🙏🙏
Thank you so much Michael I feel like my compulsive rumination is finally gone after hearing this! First heard of you 2 years ago but didn't really grasp the theory until the new material you've recently posted. Cheers to an OCD free life!
Karl Friston and other researchers within Active Inference and the Free Energy Principle have been publishing research for a while looking at the mathematical / computational evidence supporting psychoanalytic structure. It's worth looking into if you're attempting to separate the woo woo from the more rigorous elements of that field.
In my case it's fear of making a mistake that will lead to punishment. I realized this cause I had intrusive thoughts about my boss critizing me and what was crucial to realizing the fear was connecting those intrusions to critcism in my childhood by my parents
Yes, my core fear is simply a fear of letting go, of allowing myself to be happy or be open to happiness - it was a fear that if I did something truly awful would happen that i can only describe as disintegrating. I grew up in an alchoholic family and to deal with the chaos of everyday I basically accepted not to be hopeful or that things could change to as this was easier than constant let downs and disappointment- i always just accepted the worse. I also would rage internally and never let it go and instead imagine smashing things up or screaming at my parents. I had tradition al psychodynamic therapy years ago so had good insight into this. But it was seeing that i wouldn’t allow myself to be happy, or hopeful and i did this by ruminating on all the things that could or would go wrong. I then allowed myself not to ruminate!
My core fear is likely death. I can even remember asking my parents as a scared 4-year old if i'll die. I even wrote a "letter to God" when I was 8 to never kill me. My compulsion to be rich comes from this.
I understand ocd very well from a intellectual and scientific point of view but it actually does very little to help me stop any part of the ocd I suffer from and it been 26 years.
For me understanding some of the emotions that were driving my OCD was the key part. Learning to feel and acknowledge them without feeling a threat to attachment in my relationships with others was the key
@@nicknorizadeh4336 i kinda understood but not %100 would you mind explaining it more? i 'd really appreciate it. im having trouble with my relationship with my gf sort of..
@Fratsenay ROCD is a subset of OCD and the mechanisms are pretty similar across the board, until you start getting more deep into it. Roughly speaking though you need to get treated in the right order. ERP and the behavioural side first. That means learning how to stop doing compulsions and stop avoiding. From this point, the more conceptual, theoretical, analytic approaches become more useful. Looking at where your emotional conflicts arise, your beliefs, culture, etc. A lot of people who are into Greenberg are people who have gotten like 60% better through ERP alone, and find it very interesting suddenly to have this more sophisticated angle which allows symptoms to further diminish.
Listened to the whole thing and here is the problem. Michael Greenberg does not resonantly know OCD. I honestly do not think he's had it.. Ruminating, once done for a period of time can and will not be stopped. The habit will be embedded. One has to ACCEPT the rumination/ AND occurring thoughts and go about their day.... both these happenings are automatic by definition. Saying to just STOP ruminating is downright offensive and disrespectful to an actual sufferer...
Here's my experience as a chronic, lifelong ruminator (just look at this essay i typed) - it does work, and was a lifesaver for me. However imo, one has to 1. Go through the essays on his website thoroughly, digest them fully, before giving the techniques a genuine shot... and 2. Have conviction in his method and to a certain degree, in Dr Greenberg as a person, which I do. What he says rings true to me, and my own experience, and I strongly believe he speaks from personal experience. A 'bad faith' or half-hearted attempt won't get one very far. That said no two OCD patients are alike so the standard YMMV disclaimer applies.
I completely disagree, I had OCD for years. Lots of CBT and ERP improved but it was still an issue. I read his work and although sceptical I put it into practice - wow, within days I was free of all anxiety I hadn’t experienced that for years! You can stop ruminating, its a safety behaviour you do it to protect yourself, understanding this and understanding there is no need it is the problem i stepped away from rumination without doing anything else. I took his example of stopping trying to fix a math problem in my head - i am completely capable of doing this and it worked. Over a period of days I would go into rumination and then remember this is a safety behaviour, I don’t need to answer these questions I can leave them unanswered and I did, within 3 or 4 days completely 99.9% better! I still can’t believe it.
@@AnnHelle I did exactly the same thing and yes it worked, once it filters in. I would realise I was ruminating then use the 5 types he gives, then i would be like ohhh yes. Bingo - best I’ve felt in years 😀
This is just amazing. Everyone who suffers from OCD should have opportunity to hear this man's theory!
I've been suffering for OCD (rumination based) my whole life, was medicated for it 13 years, went to many psychiatrist and even more psychologists. Nothing worked.
Thank you dr Michael J. Greenberg 🙏 You are revolutionary.
It really is amazing right, logical and makes total sense - i’m amazed at the difference
yesss!!!
I have been watching videos that feature him. Initially i was a bit sceptical and also didn’t like his criticisms of ACT as it helped me. I did traditional ERP for my OCD and got much better than I had in years and kind of resigned myself to living with a sort of background anxiety as I was living a normal life etc. But i checked out his website and thought I’ll tryout his approach from the material he has available. Oh my life! wow - literally within days i got down to zero anxiety which I hadn’t felt in years!! It was really quite simple and makes absolute complete logical sense. Rumination is the problem, rumination is a compulsion (a safety behaviour) and therefore a choice and I can choose to not ruminate. Nothing else, I had a lot of tools etc - but I can now see this doesn’t have to be life long you really can get all the way better. I was not starting from scratch and have a good understanding of my OCD and CBT approaches, but to be able to do this at home on my own and quickly, its amazing. Yes rumination is the problem and we can not do it, not replace it, or avoid it, or push it away - we just stop doing it. Amazing, can’t be more thankful 🙏🙏
Thank you so much Michael I feel like my compulsive rumination is finally gone after hearing this! First heard of you 2 years ago but didn't really grasp the theory until the new material you've recently posted. Cheers to an OCD free life!
Karl Friston and other researchers within Active Inference and the Free Energy Principle have been publishing research for a while looking at the mathematical / computational evidence supporting psychoanalytic structure. It's worth looking into if you're attempting to separate the woo woo from the more rigorous elements of that field.
+1. Imo for anyone getting into this the best thing to read is Solms, Solms and Friston and Panksepp and Solms.
I really really hope he starts treating people online! I am in India and nobody here can help me with my sensorimotor OCD
How are you now ?
THANK YOU SO MUCH
I am still working on discovering my true Core Fear. Anyone able to figure this out for themselves?
In my case it's fear of making a mistake that will lead to punishment.
I realized this cause I had intrusive thoughts about my boss critizing me and what was crucial to realizing the fear was connecting those intrusions to critcism in my childhood by my parents
I uncovered mine through psychodynamic therapy. It might be difficult to do this on your own, but insight meditation (vipassana) helps.
Yes, my core fear is simply a fear of letting go, of allowing myself to be happy or be open to happiness - it was a fear that if I did something truly awful would happen that i can only describe as disintegrating. I grew up in an alchoholic family and to deal with the chaos of everyday I basically accepted not to be hopeful or that things could change to as this was easier than constant let downs and disappointment- i always just accepted the worse. I also would rage internally and never let it go and instead imagine smashing things up or screaming at my parents. I had tradition al psychodynamic therapy years ago so had good insight into this. But it was seeing that i wouldn’t allow myself to be happy, or hopeful and i did this by ruminating on all the things that could or would go wrong. I then allowed myself not to ruminate!
My core fear is likely death. I can even remember asking my parents as a scared 4-year old if i'll die. I even wrote a "letter to God" when I was 8 to never kill me. My compulsion to be rich comes from this.
I understand ocd very well from a intellectual and scientific point of view but it actually does very little to help me stop any part of the ocd I suffer from and it been 26 years.
For me understanding some of the emotions that were driving my OCD was the key part. Learning to feel and acknowledge them without feeling a threat to attachment in my relationships with others was the key
Don't know if that made sense but I would love to help more if I can
@@nicknorizadeh4336 i kinda understood but not %100 would you mind explaining it more? i 'd really appreciate it. im having trouble with my relationship with my gf sort of..
@Fratsenay ROCD is a subset of OCD and the mechanisms are pretty similar across the board, until you start getting more deep into it. Roughly speaking though you need to get treated in the right order. ERP and the behavioural side first. That means learning how to stop doing compulsions and stop avoiding. From this point, the more conceptual, theoretical, analytic approaches become more useful. Looking at where your emotional conflicts arise, your beliefs, culture, etc. A lot of people who are into Greenberg are people who have gotten like 60% better through ERP alone, and find it very interesting suddenly to have this more sophisticated angle which allows symptoms to further diminish.
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Listened to the whole thing and here is the problem. Michael Greenberg does not resonantly know OCD. I honestly do not think he's had it.. Ruminating, once done for a period of time can and will not be stopped. The habit will be embedded. One has to ACCEPT the rumination/ AND occurring thoughts and go about their day.... both these happenings are automatic by definition. Saying to just STOP ruminating is downright offensive and disrespectful to an actual sufferer...
Here's my experience as a chronic, lifelong ruminator (just look at this essay i typed) - it does work, and was a lifesaver for me. However imo, one has to 1. Go through the essays on his website thoroughly, digest them fully, before giving the techniques a genuine shot... and 2. Have conviction in his method and to a certain degree, in Dr Greenberg as a person, which I do.
What he says rings true to me, and my own experience, and I strongly believe he speaks from personal experience. A 'bad faith' or half-hearted attempt won't get one very far.
That said no two OCD patients are alike so the standard YMMV disclaimer applies.
@@AnnHelle I respect your perspective and I'm glad it worked for you!
I completely disagree, I had OCD for years. Lots of CBT and ERP improved but it was still an issue. I read his work and although sceptical I put it into practice - wow, within days I was free of all anxiety I hadn’t experienced that for years! You can stop ruminating, its a safety behaviour you do it to protect yourself, understanding this and understanding there is no need it is the problem i stepped away from rumination without doing anything else. I took his example of stopping trying to fix a math problem in my head - i am completely capable of doing this and it worked. Over a period of days I would go into rumination and then remember this is a safety behaviour, I don’t need to answer these questions I can leave them unanswered and I did, within 3 or 4 days completely 99.9% better! I still can’t believe it.
@@AnnHelle I did exactly the same thing and yes it worked, once it filters in. I would realise I was ruminating then use the 5 types he gives, then i would be like ohhh yes. Bingo - best I’ve felt in years 😀
@@55tranquility here's a question for you. How long ago was that?