Is AI threatening your art degree? - Art Commentary
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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Timestamps:
Intro - 0:00
Historical Roots - 3:43
The Modern Day - 10:20
Why Even Bother? - 17:31
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Resources:
'Did this Art School Really use AI Art?' by Whatchamarkallit: • Did this Art School Re...
Article on Mickey Mouse degrees: glasgowguardian.co.uk/2023/10...
Article on Gobelin's use of AI: thechainsaw.com/nft/ai-art-fr...
The History of Access to University: libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/blog...
Introduction: Higher Education in Britain since 1945: academic.oup.com/book/36295/c...
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1960’s Futurists: “Automation will free mankind from meaningless tedium to focus on creative pursuits only human beings can master.”
2020’s Techbros: “We’re building AI to write all your books, music, and TV so you can focus on the meaningless tedium of your cubicle job.”
well you won't even have that, that'll be replace by Machines/Ai. anything a human can do an advance machine or AI can do. after all all there of them are the same just made of diffrent materials and have diffrent orgins. Humans are bio machines and AI. that has been know for decades and only became more apparent over the years. much like the idea of humans being meat mechs for the brain.
So true, man!
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Lmaooo this
Literally this, it seems all so counterintuitive
I'm certain AI will never replace artists... but the fear of AI being used by dummies and hurting artist is a HUGE valid fear
When a producer absent mindedly shows you their AI 'art' for their pitches, you'll change your mind.
Obviously only idiots would let the cat out of the bag, but I've seen it, artists are already losing work, whether they realise it or not.
The thing is, artists always play nice. Artists could play dirty if they just photoshop existing work and noone be the wiser - but the AI bros never realized it.
Artists are irreplaceable because to improve the AI, it needs to be fed better data to begin with. But AI bros would never stop lying to keep the theft legal.
What sickens me the most is that people who support AI were never intend to pay artists to begin with - and have to keep the segregation act up so they can pretend being superior.
Its not a fear, it's a fact that people are losing work over things like midjourney.
You can use it. You can use it to improve line art, or to colour. Aka save some time, when you work. You can still do all by yourself in your free time. Doing something as your job is not like doing it like your hobby.
@@defaulted9485 you know that there are people who just can't afford to commision something, or had horrible experiences?
I seen people getting more commisions, because there people who wanted to commision something but were emberessed for not being good at discribing things, so now they send an AI imige as a refrenc.
And I seen a Graphic disgner who wanted to make a card game, he payd for twoother ilustrators to help. They took the money and never sent anything. He had to burry his idea for a time. But then AI become a thing, and now he menege to make the card game.
So no. Things are not black and white.
ugggh "artists having to focus on being marketing experts as opposed to just being artists" UGGGGHHH you have no idea how much the accuracy of this statement causes me physical pain... it's just so, so true
Music already went through this. That's why a lot of bands sign a contract. They write the music, someone else deals with everything else.
This is always been the case, I have no idea what people think this is a recent thing.
Not to be rude or anything but... hasn't that always been the case? Van Gogh's art was a commercial failure while he was alive and only became successful due to his sister telling his tragic story.
This is false lol@@doodlebug4360
@TheDemiGodDusk Definitely not a new thing, but there was a period where you didn't need to have a deep understanding of marketing, particularly because the algorithms were a lot simpler, less competition, and communities for which artists drew for were more tight knit so it was easier to get known via word of mouth.
Marketing at it's core is telling people about a product or service. But being able to do so requires a lot of knowledge and tinkering of the platforms to know how to do so. You have to understand the algoritms to play them to your advantage for each plaatform you post to. You have to get reaquainted with the algorithms everytime they change (cough cough Instagram). Posting at a time where people are most likely to view your work is a must for growth which can be less straightforward than it sounds. The milage may vary, but it's definitely a lot more complocated than it used to be.
I will say this as many times as needed: AI image generation isn't about making art. It's about avoiding making art.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4k That's a lot of text for saying you're jealous of actual artists lol
Also hate to break it to you, but one of the main reasons artists develope, get big and take part in group projects is through other artists and last time I checked we're very much against supporting any kind of AI work so tough luck. But sure keep believing your CEO tech gods who feed you with the false future that you're going to become ultra succesful by posting AI works, which recycles the same styles all the time, gets spotted as AI almost everytime and automatically looses its value and not to mention in a market that's already so flooded with AI works that it's impossible for you to stick out. Artists will always have their communities and the ones I have are getting stronger than ever exactly because of AI tech bros like yourself. Oh, and we'll see how obsolet we really are once you dont have any of your Digital Devices to work with. We can still draw traditionally with our skills if we want. Can you?
Also the fact you are spamming this comment section screams insecurity. Shouldnt you be too busy swimming in money since AI works are so succesful?
@@user-zh5lj1ec4kListen, I’m tired of seeing you in EVERY reply section saying the SAME argument over and over and over and over. Like, respectfully, stfu. I don’t care how amazing your AI can draw. Aww! Did you wittle AI learn how to draw anime eyes that don’t look lifeless as fuck?? That’s so cute 😍😍 I really don’t give a fuck if you care about art but at least show some dignity and respect for others. Your life must be pretty sad if that was the case and I’m actually starting to feel bad now. What made you love AI so much?? Like, was your childhood ok? Did you get enough attention from your parents?? You do understand that you’re advocating for something that will put many people in a position of financial stress or worse, suicide?? Have you TRIED thinking of others for once in your selfish little life? You know what? You’re probably doing this for attention because your parents didn’t supply enough it seems… Get therapy, log off social media and think a bit before you come back on here, and realize that AI is becoming a serious problem for us, Even non-creative people! If a human can do a job, while not as accurate and creative, an AI can do it more consistently without rest! Everyone is in danger of AI but humans are not known for their intelligence so I suggest you just keep quiet before you’re made redundant in your job.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4k What are you wittering on about
@@user-zh5lj1ec4kDamn man you really have nothing better to do than to come here and rage reply to every comment like a dip shite.
Unfortunately the demand to avoid it is stupidly high. Money kills so many things.
I also realize I say this with a AI generated bird on my Profile Pic.
To me, AI is kind of a slap in the face to experienced analysts. Like what's there to analyze if there's literally no thought behind it? I'm not a great artist, but I am a decent composer and I love to analyze songs and see how they did certain things. But AI just completely ruins the fun.
And yet, laymen often ridicule and parody people who analyze and claim to see whatever in art. Is it really there because you say so? I actually think it is, because postmodern way says experience is how art exists. It isn't objectively anything. Art ALWAYS needs an experiencer to be, well, anything at all.
For those of you afraid of AI continuing to eat into the market, the U.S. has a bill in the works that will require generative AI operations to credit every source that is used in feeding their algorithms. Put that up next to the S.C. ruling that copyright does not protect any works not actively created by a human being (via the monkey selfie ruling) and any potential monetary incentive for AI-generated works evaporates.
I hope that passes and also Canada and other countries adopt those policies…
@@potatoes-fjlafjlaif it passes in the us, that’s already enough to discourage companies from using it too often, the us is one of if not the biggest markets that the mainstream business world cares about.
And the US is pretty influential enough to convince other countries to adopt similar regulations like you suggest, if the EU adopts it too, then that sends a message to other countries that it’s the right thing to do
I think places like midjourney are gonna run into trouble when someone rich and influential enough is ready to sue, which is only a matter of time. If they've scraped the whole web for images, credited and compensated no one, technically anyone who has ever uploaded an image online have grounds to sue and might even have a right to apply for compensation if midjourney loses the case.
@@Elvira_Axen mid journey is already facing a class action suit from dozens of artists, and have admitted in court that their software isn't viable if they have to give every artist they plagiarize proper credit and royalties. I hope it sticks, since even Disney might give AI a pass if it means they can use it to pump out more garbage without fear of another writer strike.
@@MajorHickE oh yeah I forgot, I heard of this before I left Twitter. Here's to hoping it goes well for the artists 🙏
AI is a TOOL and should NEVER be relied on as a replacement.
I even TRIED ChatGPT a while ago to write a sample script and it OBVIOUSLY doesn't hold a candle to someone who can actually PLAN a story.
From what I heard, animators developed their own AI tools for the Spiderverse movie to make certain effects easier to animate. So yes, it's a tool to help make the movie look better and reduce costs!
I mean just about everything is being called ai when it’s a lot closer to cgi in reality.
Yeah, and that's fine. But that's not what most companies are going to use it for though, is it? In a few years when AI is good enough to produce an entire movie by itself, do you think movie studios are going to continue hiring actual artists, writers and musicians? I'm not against AI when used as a tool. I'm against it when used to replace human creativity entirely.
@@SurvivalHorror100 Absolutely not. Like NFT's, these AI Bros are going to die off because most people are smarter than that.
@@FloofPuppy I hope so.
@@cosmicspacething3474 Ai is basically literally just cgi and people have been editing and splicing things for decades much better than any ai bro can do, I just wish it wasn’t used for the wrong reasons but that always happens whenever something new comes out.
I am considering getting a degree in creative writing after I finish highschool, with art as a possible side hustle. My biggest fear is that with time people who don't understand art will turn from supporting real artist to enjoying AI as a quick, shiny, souless slob. Hopefully it's just a phase like NFTs
I wouldn't worry too much. Art has no definite result like other products do. A T-Shirt has a definite, standardized result because it is required in great amounts. But we see the Marvel-Effect, much of the same quickly displeases the audience. When it comes to art, quality is always the most important factor.
And frankly random human, I trust you to write better than any AI, because that's not so hard.
Don't worry about the so called "AIs" the way these systems work is unsustainable (due to the power consumption) and "AI" companies have yet to make profits and likely won't for the foreseeable future. With out profit they can't pay back investors and investors are only willing to throw throw so much money at something that is loosing money.
@@clwho4652 uhhh what?
You know you can run an AI image generator on your personal computer right? What power consumption are you talking about?
it's as much a phase as when camera were inveted taking away landscape and portirt artists jobs, the same with photoshop.
As laws become better, like what the EU has started, the fervor will die down. However part of me is somewhat glad that it might hold onto the kid of customers that nobody wants. The ones who don't want to pay, who will short change, chargeback...
asshats.
And be really gross the whole time.
I think the worst part of it all is how art institutions THEMSELVE are using AI art now when they could literally ask for some huge ass illustration/animation/whatever and at least a few dozen people would gladly volunteer for free and produce much better artworks than AI could ever achieve ; i just don't get the appeal.
I don't condone what the institutions are doing, but I can see why they go that path. Volunteers may end up suing if they seek some form of compensation for a perceived ill. Hiring people is a messy business, a reason why HR is a thing. It also doesn't help that AI art is a bandwagon now, and a lot of advertisements are using AI art. I think I've caught at least 20 different ads on twitter that utilize AI art.
We must take control of AI before people use it to exploit others. But it can never replace true artistic work, because a machine cannot evoke emotion.
What is especially comforting to see is that everyone who uses AI instantly loses all credibility and respect, no matter the industry.
they don't actally, they just fill a new niche. AI art is pretty big with many artist using it in a number of diffrent ways, from insperation, doing rough drafts of their work from them to linework and color, to backgrouds and small details on the image.
and the whole it doesn't have emotions logic is weak, it's only time before we figure out how to simulate emotions and give it to an AI, after all emotion develmped in the bio AI that is humans and easly be done for a silicon/digital AI.
@@elysainempire4628 It's easily visible, when you look at a real drawing you can see intention, thought and planning behind it. When I look at an AI image I see nothing, a cheap copy of better people. You can't teach a program based on pure logic emotion, because emotion by default is illogical.
To be honest, I think you can find inspiration in the real world or in other people, but if you need a machine to give you ideas then perhaps you should probably start over from the beginning.
@Mediados many successful artists have already made some great art using the art that AI produces as inspiration( whether it be for background, color scheme, poses, or theme). And people has been taking inspiration from machines since their inception for many works of art or other creative fields. And there's rel no difference between biology life and machines/digital. All living things are machines made of organic materials with the brain just being an incredibly advanced computer.
As for emotions argument, sure, currently AI can't have emotions, do them not reaching the tipping point to either develop them by themselves or for humanity to discover how to grant them emotions. After all, the first life didn't have emotions(at least not the ones humans and other current day animals have shown) being more logical or less intellectual complex. Heck, many insects of current down haven't shown signs of emotions and can create inspiring, beautiful things.
Inspiration is very much subjective, with a plain yellow square on a canvas being inspirational to someone. Which is why modern and abstract art came to be. Heck, a lot of images from distance planets images are computer created based on raw data it received. Which you can say that what a camera on a similar scale. You can say that photography isn't like that and has emotions and intent, but that technically wrong. The person using the camera has the intent and emotions but not the tool(camera) itself. Which is the same for AI art. The AI is just a tool that the user uses to make their intentions and emotions known through the art, much like with photography and Photoshop.
There's also artist that are unable to feel emotions that can create incredible art. So emotions aren't need for any form of creativity. That's just the brain/ego saying it is, like the selfish thing it is.
@@elysainempire4628 About the part of " AI cannot evoke emtions". What are your thoughts about artist who redraw AI art? I’ve seen an artist who uses AI to generate her preferences and then draws almost like it but in traditional mediums
@parleymanderson7527 I see it as the artist using it for a reference in that case. But AI is a tool like a camera or photoshop, the user's intent and emotions are still felt through the end product. The same applies to Ai. You can veiw Ai as a more complex form of photoshop really.
The point is that it requires no talent to use AI. I’m not doing a degree but frankly, I won’t use AI in my art, as mediocre as it may be, because then it’s not my art
I'd much rather pay for a drawing that is technically inferior but has someone's passion in it than to get an AI image for free that gives me nothing but color on paper.
Exactly. Like at this point I think part of the reason I’m not using AI is out of spite for the kind of people who don’t wanna put in the effort. Like I ain’t good at all but I know I try, and when I get something I like, I know it’s cus I tried
I've seen a tweet floating around saying something to the effect that the output of AI image generators is proof that humans do in fact have souls, and I've never seen such a convincing argument in my life
A lot of art takes no artistic talent. Someone taped a banana to a wall and called it art.
It wasn't art because it took any artistic talent or skill, it was art because they rolled a 20 on their persuasion check to a group of people with money to launder.
The shitheads that types in input to generate any illustrations pretend like they did the meticulous work of drawing/painting it and then they strut around like they're a genius
As I learned from JoshScorcher, AI should be used as an ethical tool to lighten the workload. It should not be used as an excuse to cut corners or steal!
I feel like AI is going to suffer a catastrophic backfire effect. That is, it will massively boost the value of things that are known to be actually man-made, not machine-made. Art's value is derived from abstractions. And not just monetary value, but social value. Cultural value. AI art is currently looked down upon by most people, and for good reason: It's soulless. People do not experience art nihilistically for the fact that it exists, but rather to understand its intention. AI cannot intend things, therefore its art holds no value. It is worthless junk. Everyone subconsciously understands this, as it is apparent purely through the result. Therefore, I believe human art will become more valuable due to how the market is currently oversaturated with garbage. This may also lower the bar for entry and make people appreciate less technically skilled artists because their art will hold more character and be more obviously genuine than anything AI can make.
In that way, the intention of AI "artists" (that AI will replace human artists) will backfire and instead negate itself. The only type of art I worry about is the utilitarian variety, especially NSFW. Which is a problem given that utilitarian art is by far the most profitable, and we have no transitioned to communism yet, so people still need to work for a living.
I wish that it was illegal to use ai in a professional context because it is stealing art. It would be impossible to stop random people on the internet using ai but it could probably stop professionals.
Ai art is not stealing.
1- you cannot "steal" art since stealing is expropriation of private property, and intellectual property is not property because its not a scarce resource, copying a piece of art is not stealing since you are not taking anything away from the artist
2- image models do not work by copying images, they work by filling in noise which is pretty analogous to the way that humans learn and they do not even store the images that they are trained on
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@@rafaelflores448 using an image that isn't public domain for profit is copyright infringement, which is a form of theft. You couldn't train an AI on a copy of an image either, because the motif itself is copyrighted by whoever made it first. Artists, unlike AI developers, are already aware of copyright protection laws which is part of why the pushback has been so loud, we spent centuries respecting each others copyright and likeness, only for AI developers to do exactly the opposite only for their profit. If it was for the greater good of society they would've compensated artists from the very beginning, but because they care more about money than they respect our work, they are doing the absolute most to disguise their blatant copyright infringement as anything but that, even going as far as to argue that AI is so smart that it doesn't objectively copy, as if there wasn't a list of thousands of artists that Midjourney had collected with the objective to train their AI, with what prompts to use in order for the program to accurately copy their likeness, none of which were contacted, none of which have consented, some of which are dead.
@@Elvira_Axen first, it seems like you didnt watch the video that i linked because your argument is already adressed in it
second,your missing the point, my argument is that YOU CANT STEAL SOMETHING THAT ISNT SCARCE. intellectual property is not property, you can only own something that is a scarce resource, you do not hold any type of property right over the artistic work you produce, if you make a piece of art and somebody copies it its not theft, because the person didnt take anything away from you, they simply multiplied something that already exists, now if they grab your car, it is indeed stealing because, unlike art, cars cannot be infinitly multiplied, they are scarce, if you simply copy the design of the car and then use it to make your own car with your own resources then its not theft
if you still dont understand then watch this video:
ruclips.net/video/4xKjHHzLUQQ/видео.htmlsi=qjj7dQLVem5ZFfzl
@@rafaelflores448 in what world is the definition of theft based on scarcity? Intellectual property is property whether you like it or not, it always has been. Just because you think it shouldn't be doesn't mean you can make things up to justify doing it anyway. I could make the argument that money isn't scarce because we have billionaires and therefore I should be allowed to rob banks, but unlike you I'm not dumb so.
AI as its used right now should be banned for any kind of use. It's theft, nothing else.
3:38 I'm working on a film degree and developing a comic. Yes, it is worth it.
Based 😎
Sorry you got targeted by a troll
@aliceh5289 Thank you. But I kinda pity them more than anything since they wish to live life like an Eloi.
@@joeblaster8770 98% of all film students regret their decision… lol. And only 10% make it to the industry. I pity the fool that doesn’t look at statistics and lives in idealism.
Comics are always worth it.
Un creatives are desperate to turn art into something they can put into a machine. Because then they don’t have to feel bad about not being able to make art, and so they don’t have to pay artists.
That's basic economics and the industrial revolution.
@@stephanreiken9912(insert that one quote about the industrial revolution and conequences here)
I will be honest, as someone who is from North West England and who also studied animation too, (with illustration) I predicted your issue with employment as a 2D animator at the start of the video. You're very right. Most animation jobs in the UK have a focus on stop motion, and if not that, it's now CGI. So unless you know Blender (which most uni courses don't teach), you're out of luck. I mean jesus, I went to uni in 2013 and they taught us animation in Adobe Flash. Adobe discontinued that software in 2016, the YEAR I graduated ffs...unless the courses modernise/diversify, I'm afraid it will become just another one of those 'Mickey Mouse degrees' because even though the skills are legit, the demand is so low...so it's a catch 22. One of my uni tutors even worked on the BFG and Danger Mouse and it was so demoralising to know that the UK's 2D animation industry is all but non-existent now...unless you wanna eff off to LA (which is monetarily impossible for most working class people) or another leading expensive city and do an apprenticeship for peanuts, to train to animate in the UK is just pissing money away. It's why I changed my focus onto storytelling and novel writing.
Ah this is such a negative way to look at the industry here, when it's doing better than the US right now. Studios use Maya not Blender. Blender is not as widely used as Maya is. There are also alot of studios in the UK that still do 2D however it is cut out animation and can be expensive to train in out of a studio because they use toon boom. It's not a waste of money to train if you are open to anything other than animating 2D frame by frame.
In the US, getting an art degree is really frowned upon. Mine, in particular, was so much of an actual scam that my $75k student loan debt was forgiven due to the school's predatory practices.
If you're in the US and wanna be a pro artist, degrees are _worthless_ to most employers. It's all about your portfolio. Don't waste your money. Don't go into debt.
To be honest when I went to art school, none of my teachers had an Art Degree, they were just, really good artist of culture. So I don't think we should worry about that
the ONLY THING i use AI for is punctuation and grammar checker I PAY MY ARTISTS GOOD MONEY FOR MY COMIC! AND CHARACTER ART
Yeah, I hate how AI is trying (and sadly succeeding in some cases) to steal artists jobs. It’s turning me off from it at all in any creative field, even if it’s an ethical use of it
@@mangledfoxy2052 yeah the show Pantheon all about the AI and tech empire
Same here. Artists have great stylization. I've paid at least a hundred for good art comms in the past.
I don't see a use for AI in my art. It has too many imperfections in my eyes and it can't produce the exact results that I want
i enjoy creating my own imperfections in my art 😊
Sooo you would use it if it did give you the results you wanted
I'm currently in my final year of my art degree and despite the growing loom of AI throughout each year, I can never say I regret it! It taught me so much more than just improve on my practice. AI is going to consume some creative jobs yes, but AI will never have the heart that goes into art made by real people ❤ People need to not forget that your art more than just a pretty picture! It has your personality behind it too!
In my days of being an artist, I've only sought out to seek improvement through practice and gain the artstyle I have today, all without an education in my field as I'm self taught.
However, trying to make a living out of it is slow going and the rise of AI art definitely puts me in the realm of uncertainty because why would anyone pay me to draw something for them when they can just turn to AI for free?
I guess the only good that comes out of it is push me to improve more somehow to become better then AI? Can't say I'll ever be as fast though
But as Geri (The Cleaner) said in Toy Story 2, "you can't rush art"
I would personally try the route of marketing authenticity. The AI may be free, but it is soulless and can't make anything truly creative. Normies aren't going to be able to properly utilize an AI well enough to make exactly what they want for free because that requires more effort than just directing a commission and paying out of pocket.
I'm not planning on ever getting higher education, my mom's nearly 50 and she's STILL paying off her student loans, I don't even have enough money to buy a new dishwasher let alone a degree in ANYTHING 😬
Art degrees are useless anyways. A portfolio is stronger than going in debt for a Volatile field.
It seems a lot of the dislike of art degrees comes from people who hate the arts and artists. It was visible in the NFT space and now in the "AI" (it is not AI there is no intelligence involved) space. There seems to be a lot of it in the tech industry (though that may be because of crypto and so called "AI"), in the US there seems to be a lot of it on the right. Though in some places it came from the left and it seems to be associated with authoritarianism.
I don't get the hatred, I'm not a good artist, I'm only an artist in the sense that I've made some art, but I don't have the passion for it so I'm not going to make enough art to be good at it. I still enjoy art, I enjoy looking at what other people have made. I'm not going to throw some prompts in some use some algorithm (and hope the RNG is on my side) just as I wouldn't put on an Iron Man suit, go to the gym, and lift weights. There is no point in it then.
Gotta agree. There have always been people who felt this way. Now that AI art has dealt a body blow to artists, they've scented blood and are out with their hatred on full display. It's not really surprising. Something I find interesting is how suddenly AI art erupted into the public awareness, and how quickly people in every camp showed their true colours - good and ugly alike. At the very least, it's illuminating to see how things stand.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4k empty joy..
I think a lot of the hatred comes down to two things. The image of what an artist is and what art now is.
When the common person thinks about what an artist might be (in particular high art), they won't think about the small time creatives but rather Ongo Gablogian (from always sunny in Philadelphia). The pretentious, arrogant, and rude stereotype of an artist.
The second is what modern art is. A lot of these people have an issue with the seemingly lack of skill in modern art.
Combining the two crates an ugly image of arrogant snobs who think their turds are gold. Is this in any way accurate? No. But that's the image that a lot of these people have.
I’m not an artist, but to me there’s only two real reasons to ever use AI art:
1. As a gag for visualization funny stuff with friends
2. To serve as a basis for inspiration (not actually using what’s generated directly) for an actual artist to use in the event of something like having a mental block
As someone interested in techy and nerdy stuff, I am actually open towards the idea of what marketing labels as A.I.
What I think however - after hearing your words, reading from people who for instance left deviantART because they started to scrape people's works for LLM training and also from software developers who are responsible for quality control - is that the way this technology is widely in use now for media creation isn't exactly how it benefits mankind.
Even worse, stories of fake news (yea, yea, a term people love to use now but it nails the point) and people falling for these raise.
You and all the other creative minds out there do fantastic work which has always been part of human history and identity and that hopefully never changes.
What I could think of and hope for is that _A.I._ tools get used to help you people making even better stuff.
Adobe recently showed off what their newest suite of video creation tools can do, removing entire objects from video recordings or changing what's there.
While this is something that indeed can and probably will be used at some point to threatening others, I too can see how it makes the whole concept of making movies easier.
All that said, no, artists of all kind are probably fine but as we are a society of progress and changes, you will most likely have to adopt and deal with this new stuff much more so than you would ever have to with silly things like NFTs (a technology that is actually interesting under the hood but that was also awfully wrong executed).
Should be outright banned.
Oh, thank you for tackling the important topic of what will become of art careers in light of this. 😮
AI will replace artists for many tasks. Just as a test, I have used it to do a rough terrible sketch of an idea and it no time, had AI have it come to realization. No need to pay anyone. Also AI is becoming more and more human with the ability to generate ideas and come up with creative input to add to an artistic idea. With the advancements being made, any layperson will see their ideas not only come to fruition but work with AI to generate almost as a consultant. And remember, the algorithm will have the knowledge and input of every art study out there and field. That’s what you get for being a creative and having an art degree. It’s historically laughed at as a degree. If you wanna watch your college tuition go down the drain, you should know having an art degree will not merit financial benefits. If your smart, you can use AI, upload your work and have it dynamically give you input on it and alter it, maybe help you understand you work better. Give you different versions of your work. But most importantly, it will eliminate the jobs everyday businesses need when they want artistic input. AI is advancing rapidly, imagine how worthless the degree will be in a couple of years. That’s what you get for choosing your path. Your sadness brings me joy.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4klmao why are you being so emotional. it’s not that deep. 💀
@@kiwihair5939 I’m just stating facts bruh. There was no emotion put in this statement. Of course a weak westerner would read everything with emotion, y’all go to therapy for every first world problem.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4k”There was no emotion put in this statement,” -> “Your sadness brings me joy.” Last time I checked joy is an emotional response.
You need to get that in check, emotion is weak and you need to stop expressing it.
Hope this helps. 👍
@@kiwihair5939 imagine a robot saying your sadness brings me joy in the most apathetic way possible 👍🏻
The only good thing about this is that not many people will be rejected from art school which if you know,you know.
I have nothing against AI art, the same can't be said for the companies that are using it.
I'm still in high school and about to finish this year. I plan to go to Community college as there thing that for the first 2 years are free ( I live in California by the way ) After that am not transferring to higher education as I don't want to end up in debt. I plan to study writing as am a Self-taught screenwriter and plan on starting an indie animation studio, but I do want to get an associates degree in writing or English literature or something.
Personally, I’m questioning if it’s worth it; that’s why I’m taking a break after this semester. I’m a book publishing student who’s studying business marketing and book design specifically. I hope to make the webcomic industry specifically a better place because it’s currently not in the publishing industry but in marketing.
Edit: we’ve been suggested and advised that we should start considering to use ai because it may start to be used; not because they want to but because others will probably use them…
Ah, so it is going to become a Cold War nuclear arms race where everyone wants to have a nuclear option.
Others will use the so called "AI", so? That doesn't mean what they are creating is good or worth it. So far the so called "AI" can't match the skills of a good artist and because of how it works it can't.
@@clwho4652 As an amateur self-taught artist, I'll give my five cents on this topic.
In my opinion, AI art may be used to speed up the creative process by giving inspiration for the artist to draw from, to allow him to whip up raw sketches and set up primary environment design based on AI art. But it can NEVER be used as a final work, simply because it's too flawed and incoherent to be usable fresh out the oven.
AI art should ALWAYS be used in tandem with a good human artist. Otherwise it feels cheap and soulless. Unfortunately, many people (and companies) don't get it and instead prefer to cut corners or outright fool people by using AI art as the final work, and not as inspiration.
@@DansuB4nsu03 I fully agree. It has its uses. Like a scene of a crowd, the artist can draw the people in the in the foreground and the buildings then AI the people in the background, or an image of Godzilla rising out of the ocean in the back ground while someone is taking a selfie, the person taking the selfie doesn't matter and can be AId while the artist focuses on the background and Godzilla. In game development is it can be used to create procedural generated assets so the artists don't have to make every little thing and can focus the important assets.
The tech bros think they can replace artists but they can't. There seems to be this undercurrent of hatred for art and artists amongst tech bros. It's not all of them or even most of them but it is enough of them that it effects their culture and attitude even if they don't hate art and artists. I don't get it or know where its coming from it seems to be there.
@@clwho4652 AI as a small tool can work, and People can chose if they want to use it, I just hate that Braindead people and Corps are pushing for a Replacement, and its one of the reasons I hate AI and the AI/Tech bros in Comments and in General, they're trying to push a False Unfair Future when you can actually have a good Future that works, people in the 90s hoped they could have these things that give them time to actually do stuff like art, but instead its being used in the wrong way and the ideas of AI from those times have been Twisted By Greed and Envy I believe, the worlds is just Sad and Money Hungry its Unfair
Makes me quite glad I had my education years before AI is becoming an annoyance in the academic field. Although, it does open an old wound of how I was rejected to do any form art solely due to my style, not because of the quality, but as they said, my style was too cartoon-ish and abstract to be considered 'viable' in the culture of art.
It made me realise how constantly changing but also how biased the art ( and other similar ) sectors can really be...
same people who would joyfully sully their pants over a painting of a square btw
AI doing art just feels wrong. If you make it just write sentences I think it's fine. AI art is going to steal a lot of jobs in the future is sad, it doesn't even look that good anyway.
In the discussion of college, I'm mixed on it.
I went and dropped out due to health issues back in 2015 and 2016, but while there, I didn't like the atmosphere.
As you were saying with your friends, going to college and making connections, especially in a creative field, is a huge part of going but the college I went to at least created a sort of you verses everyone which made everyone less friendly and the experience more lonely.
As for AI, I do dislike how many industries are trying to replace actual people to the extent of firing people in favor of AI.
Though I don't use ai in my work, I could see ai as being a decent tool for generating ideas. I know for me, I have aphantasia (can't see stuff in my mind) but how I create is by writing down all the details of the art piece I want to make, such as characters, feeling/emotions, the colours I want to use, other elements, the composition, etc.
This is very similar to an ai prompt, so I could see a world where ai is used to assist with making references.
But as is, it's hard to ignore the damage it's created, and the flood of ai art and the uncertainty it's brought.
Given the backlash to a lot of instances of it's usage in pop media, I'd say that it won't be as cut and dry as "A.I. is the future" like the techbros want it to be.
I miss how the animation industry was when I was a kid animation was about putting passion on the paige and not about profit in the expense of the creators
Nobody needs an art degree unless they are an architect or making something with others' interests in mind vs your own and you make squiggles... But yeah calling yourself an artist for prompting AI art is wrong. All you did was type shit.
i agree. the images from ai are never art.
a very complex and elegantly written prompt, basicly a short story or introduction, could maybe be considered creative writing.
lining up a few self evident words is not.
making an ai model by hand ( not automated scraping) and training it specificaly could be considered an artwork as code design similar to programing deliberate visual demonstrations.
automated scraping is not
I still immensely dislike ai artwork because I feel it is marketed as ai to sound interesting so people will use it but on top of that it’s used other artists works without permission including work that might be posted with watermark and was commissioned by another person.
by law any art in the google image section is free to used as refrences and other projects as long as you don't claim the image itself. so AI can use any of those images for refrences. and no AI doesn't steal art, the person using it has to make it so it steal art. So it the use that stealing and not the tool. AI uses Art to learn off of, like humans do. 99% of all human creations are nt original ideas but several ideas/parts from a multitude of other people's works, with only 1% coming from yourself
@@elysainempire4628 actually it’s not by law only images on google that have in the tools section of the search for either “Creative Commons” or “Commercial & Other Licenses” because you can get sued taking those images that are just on google (this is both for academic use and non academic use; you will likely get in trouble if not Commercially licensed in university. It can even cost you your degree.)
For example, I can’t take the apple logo and use it even as a reference image unless I’m directly referencing apple in the notation and from that apple can be notified by SEO of my design; most ai people do not do this with images and are irresponsible with correct use for legal matters
Google images aren’t all free for use, they have tools for advance searches for commercial and other uses for free to be used as a reference but not all images on google, google could be sued if all images were free for use especially pictures from works that are copyrighted by big conglomerates.
Ai is still gonna be around for a long time, but that doesn't mean we gonna give up on art, graphic design or animation. We can still do better than this and continue doing art for a hobby or professional dreams!
As a person who's passionate about animation and pursuing multimedia arts in university. I really do hope that AI will not be overused by companies in the future because what's the point of expressing something if it's made by a robot. I may or may not afford to go to my desired university and take my course but I'll try my best to get in because I really want to further my time management and my artworks
Companies are pushing harder and harder for content that is politically correct bland oatmeal.
Of course they will abuse AI
People still knit sweaters, despite sweaters being mass produced. Artists are not going anywhere.
Exactly! "That knitting machine is using a pattern thought of by a human! It's going to put knitters out of business!" Maybe art should be less of a business, profit motives suck the life out of art, and artists.
@@botarakutabi1199indeed for most artists its less about profit intrest but about survival. If you want to make a living with that skills it is already super hard.
and some make Pots from clay even though Glass Plates exist, so that backs it up too, there will always be more love in a Human Made thing then a Mass produced Object
With this video you hit it on the nail, i feel that so much, not only the subjects of the video but that quote you said "maybe if i was better" and that whole "if i did this back them" quotes, these are thing me and my brother has said many times, and i want to add to the video by saying that 3d printing has made me feel this way too, i make fnaf custom action figures and i always feel the need to be better but then a machine can instantly make it better, making me and my experience feels outdated and useless, i love it so much, but then i get in my head, i still hand sculpt but i do time to time wonder if i would have more success by just using 3d printing (hope not tho)
I want to end my tangent by saying thanks, the video spoke to me
I'm actually a graduate of the now defunct Art Institute in the US who had a pretty good job working under a niche animation studio upon getting out of college with my Bachelor's degree a year before covid-19.
I admit it was not a waste of time because of how much my skills have grown as well as the many connections I've met! Sadly, I only was able to hold onto my studio job for a year until it's and other's closure.
Though after Covid times and onward till today, the art industry wherever they may lie has become INCREASINGLY difficult if you do not know anyone in the up and up.
It's not impossible to get work, but it sure is daunting for those who has a hard time advertising themselves or keeping up with certain trends or company's working processes.
It may be best for those with a creative mindset to rely off their skills to work in a small group or on your own and making a bit of a living from it. Commission artists I've seen has been on the rise cause as you've said in the video, there *are* alternatives!
(Note: Sorry for the large paragraphs, just had to get this out there! Please keep your creativity alive if it's what you love!)
I have nothing clever to say, but the algorithm needs a comment to be fed so take this one. Don't worry kids, an art degree is useless even without AI! :DDD (mostly kidding) Love ya Fi!
Let me add I am saying this as someone with an honours degree, a double diploma and soon to be masters. Degrees ain't shit and I regret everything. (again MOSTLY kidding)
Nah ur def not kidding don’t lie aghdbxvdk
Love ya too Maaaal! 💚
YAYYYY APOLLO POSTED!!!
In the 6-7 years of working in the creative field no one has ever asked to see my bachelor's diplomma. Frankly, I'm not even sure where I put it. Cheers!
As someone who wants to be a game developer it’s fucking terrible seeing the two halves of my passions tearing at each other to make this abomination of a situation…
Interesting. True, there is no game mechanic without AI.
Even when I was young, and wanted to take art classes, I was always of the opinion. No amount of training in technical skill will give somebody the drive to do art. Any kind of art. A degree helps with technical skill, but so do classes at a local community centre, or online.
I know because my mother's got some art training and technical skill, but she is the least creative person I know. She can draw the same thing over and over again.
Meanwhile I'm still shaking off the bullshit my art teachers put on me and just creating for the love of it. I'm fortuante to be in a safe place where I can create.
I think I should let everyone know this but there’s a user going around and spouting pro-AI propaganda in the comments of this video. Please ignore them, they’re ragebaiting and probably doing it for attention because their parents didn’t give them enough it seems. But on a more lighter note, please don’t give up, artists! As an artist that lost their passion, the art you all make will always look better at least in my eyes. I love you all and would give you all as much money as I can if I could! Seriously, I love you!!
I really want to start drawing my own digital art for fanart and t-shirts but I'm finding it difficult to get good at it. I haven't drawn in years and even then it was pencil and paper. I feel like I've gotten really out of practice.
I have a good tablet and clip studio paint. But I need some really really basic art lessons.
Any suggestions?
For drawing humans in general, I recommend Proko. It's a channel on RUclips. Proko's videos are concise and he's an excellent teacher. Start from the oldest videos and work your way from there.
I was going to say Proko, but someone beat me to it. I will secodn that recommendation.
It isn't "art' in any shape or form if it's generated by ai. In fact, we should call ai art "images" because that's what they are. Not art, just something visual for your eyes to process.
You can say that about most art too.
The only thing a nature photographer has done is taken a picture.
The only thing they did was took a picture of was already there anybody with a camera can do the same.
I’m doing community college right now, and honestly it’s been a pretty great experience. If not because I’m learning skills I wouldn’t have even thought to pick up before, and it’s helped a lot with my growth as an artist and a designer. Like I’ve never been big on photography, but now I love the stuff.
I’m pretty worried my degree won’t be worth much in the end though. We’re already seeing graphic designers losing their jobs to ai trained off their previous work. The ai can’t really make new designs so easily, but it doesn’t really matter since a lot of these designs are meant to be samey. Any field that follows a template would be at threat. I guess I’m glad I’m getting so into a variety of art forms that could be potential escape routes. AI can try and replace digital art, but it can’t replace somebody’s personal family photo, right? And even if big companies are fine with making template products, I suppose there will always be indie projects to work on.
I'm currently stuck because idk if I should pursue a art career or find a job in stem field. I'm doing fine with learning biology and chemistry but it's doesn't bring me the same amount of joy as doing art. I have many ideas for creative projects and need to improve and learn but I'm REALLY worried about my financial situation in future. I don't want to be in a place where I would have to worry about my financial situation.
I know I wouldn't be happy if I dropped being a professional artist because I love it so much..
Short answer: yes
I'm an American who earned a BFA in the mid-2010s (the peak barista art graduate years when that joke was mainstream in the US). I don't think that art school is a useless pursuit, BUT it should only be the decision if you know EXACTLY how you want to use those four years.
I majored in Illustration, but I also took electives in graphic design, typography, motion graphics, InDesign, and basically all of the boring vegetables of art school. Not only did that improve my illustration, but it also made me more versatile in the job market. I'm not saying it's a proven method, but most creative positions now are looking for a jack of multiple trades because you can become master in all with enough time and practice. If I had any advice, it would be to go to art school with a real purpose and not just for the dream job. The dream job probably won't happen, and if you see popular threads on social media, most dream jobs are actually nightmares.
Build a community in college, build versatility, acquire as many basic skills as possible, and think from a problem solving perspective.
That's why stories are coming out of these AI consultants going ballistic during critiques. They don't solve problems. They promp and prompt and prompt. Art is antithetical to capitalism, and the way to work in the market is to be a problem solver. AI can create end products, but it can never solve problems.
yeah it seems kind of weird that we were the less demanding job, with less priority and less essential work and now everyone wants to be one
Funny how society mocks anything related to art as being a profession yet this AI nonsense is attacking the art industry the most..
I may not currently be someone who is studying an "art" degree more so a "design degree" but I agree with a lot of the points made within this video. Putting this video into other contexts like design and fashion (as mentioned in the video) I can relate to the "why even bother" section and "modern day" sections of this video. I have just started my bachelors degree in fashion and fashion design and sometimes i do wonder why i am even trying when fast fashion dominates such a large percent of the industry. I do sometimes think "why do i even try, i most liekly will never be successful" but then i look at fast fashion dominating the industry and remember why i want to get into the industry in the first place. My goal (being ambitious as it is) is to change peoples perceptions on slow fashion and to recreate the individuality and originality that slow fashion is about. its the same thing with AI art and how it is needed to be challenged by us human artists and to change the perception, showing people the individuality and originality of human made art.
I do sometimes belive that fast fashion challenges those who want to pursue fashion as a degree/career but we can just look at those like Teuta & Lirika Matoshi, or haute couture designers like Gou Pei who create individuality and originality and put the effort and time to create those pieces. Thats what makes slow fashion so special to me and why I really resonate with this video. I may not like fast fashion and want to change the perception of slow fashion within the industry but i also have to study the concepts of fast fashion and study fast fashion garments in order to properly understand why it is such a phenomenon in order to challenge its idea.
When I was young, I would opt off learning to draw things I was intimidated by or found tedious, and I used to wonder if there were tools and shortcuts that would save me. Thankfully, there were no such shortcuts, so I eventually buckled down and learned to draw.
Because AI generation exists now, how much longer is it going to take for young artists to sit down and learn to do the things they're put off by? How much more stunted will their growth be?
Hey there Fiona, I found your essay to be very insightful in terms of assessing the status quo and the importance of establishing yourself as an competing artist/animator and wanted to thank you for setting our perspectives straight.
I'm a graduate from University of Northampton who achieved a First class in BA Illustration and already feeling the Post University Angst due to AI, Unemployment and the passing of Cartoon Network studios (1992-2022).
At times I feel pretty pretentious as an artist when I'm not making money, but glad to say at least that I haven't regretted going to Uni anyway due to how much it impacted not just my skillset alone but also the reputation, friendships and even my professionalism. It also represents a milestone of my life; coming a long way to earn the degree despite everything and already started to miss it due to fond memories I had there.
For those considering to go to higher education, the advice I would even give to my first year self is:
1. Identify your genres that you like, because they're going to help establish who you are as an artist.
2. ARTICULATION is an essential keyword for your mindset, because it's the asset humans possess that A.I doesn't.
3. Make the most of the resources at University, but only those you find relevant for your projects!
Anyway, hope this long-ass comment helps, and good luck!
Pretty early, feels wrong, excited to see what you will say :)
I taught at an art faculty in Europe for several years, mostly people in the 3rd year of their studies who were about to finish in 6 months time. I was astonished how few of them are even preparing, let alone ready for entering the job market: they had NO portfolios, no presentations or websites, didnt do any projects apart from those their school asked for, rarely had any commercial experience or contact with commercial studios or agencies whatsoever. So when I hear how hard the market is nowadays and how tricky it is to make a living as a commercial artist, it is true to a degree but students certainly arent doing anything on their part to up their chances to succeed.
thats cause we tell them schooling is all you need instead telling them they also need to work
@@Steven9567 In fact they need to MOSTLY work on their own, figure it out, make the right connections, develop as a professional and so on, and school frankly only adds some very vague supporting structure to that - in all actuality, school is mostly there for networking with OTHER likeminded people and as a backup plan so they have a degree in case their commercial career doesnt take off. A commercial artist can absolutely succeed without a degree. A student absolutely cannon succeed with school curriculum alone.
8:44 I love how the closed captions talk about "goblins in Paris".
I graduated from graphic design in high school with a hope of being taught animation as well (since old friend who teaches there said it to me), only photographers got the animation classes. I considered going to uni/college to get animation degree. I dropped that idea after 2 years and now i'm teaching myself how to animate. I'm still p**sed off that we didn't got the classes and that the generative AI is around. But making my own animations will certainly be worth the damn.
Italian here. We see a lot of value in art as a heritage. Unfortunately modern Italy doesn't see any value in own artists, so much that "illustrator"/"animator"/"3D modeller" and such are not even recognized as official jobs and they all are considered as generic freelancers with barely any rights, no unions and no safety nets of sort. So much that all of my clients are foreigners online and even the 3D modelling course I'm doing they tell us that unless we "win the lottery", any job offer is in foreign countries.
The country literally makes tons and tons of capable artists (just look how many Italians are in games and movies credits) but the country itself still see us as "non-workers that make cartoons for kids or those pesky videogames that probably don't make that much money anyway."
I'm a 17 year old junior in high school, and I plan on majoring in animation once I go to college. My plan A for my career is obviously animation (my whole channel is practice till I go to college), and my plan B is selling art/doing commissions. Hope AI won't take that away cause I don't have a plan C.
If your Going into Plan A, it can still work with the Indie Buissness (that is if they don't go the Corporate route like most Corpo Businesses) Plan B is a 50/50 Depending on if AI is not getting to level where Common people rely on it more (which i doubt they wont), either way that's all i can say up till now, AI is Gambling on the Future for most artists, and AI/Tech Bros and Corpos are pushing hard now, and were not even sure if the Art industry is going to come out on top. we will just have to see down the road what happens
18:10 I'm pretty sure the majority of the ACC considers you valuable and irreplaceable
Awesome little animation at the end! Very cute
7:35 Goya did a really good job on his war etchings, I think I'd pick him tbh
NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT
NEVER GIVE UP
I never made any money from art anyways in 20 years.
The only people who should be afraid of AI art are people who produce valueless art and price it at $200 a pop.
I'm currently doing a degree in illustration, and while ai and stuff is somewhat disheartening, I still wouldn't change my degree for anything. I came into the degree with the mindset of wanting that extra time to practice my art, learn new things, and just get the experience of what university life is like - from the beginning I knew that I may leave this degree to just end up doing some minimum wage job with art being something delegated to my free time, and I'm fine with that! I love art, I love creating, I want to end up writing and illustrating my own books, in my perfect world I'd be able to earn my living as an illustrator - so I decided to give it my best shot: go to university, practice, learn, make connections. But I also know and accept that it may not work out. That won't stop me from trying.
Also, with your talk about community within art degrees - this is so true! There's around 100 people in my year on my illustration degree and man is it one of the best communities I've met. Our unofficial course group chats are so active (the instagram one has roughly 80-90 members) with 100s of messages being sent basically every day, there's even a few people from other courses who ended up joining & have just become an unofficial part of the illustration cohort. Talking to other friends I knew before uni who have gone on to degrees in things such as nursing, history, etc, they always talk about how their course group chats solely talk about the course - and many questions they ask on there may even be totally ignored, but my course is so different: it's a whole true community with at least 50-60% of conversations being completely random or open invites for anyone on the course to join in some gathering happening that evening. Everyone's happy to help, make friends, compliment each other's art, and I've even had people I barely know willing and offering to help me with problems I'm having when I hadn't even specifically asked for help (for example, I struggle with cooking food and sometimes just eating anything for meals bcz I constantly feel too tired & overwhelmed to cook - I've cooked a proper meal twice this entire education year - and one time I offhandedly mentioned it in reply to a conversation about all the crappy meals people had been having while at uni. I then immediately got someone offering to help me sort out meal prep stuff so that it wouldn't feel so overwhelming in the future).
Sorry, that's long lol. Tldr: Doing a degree in illustration is probably one of the best things that's happened to me even if I know it's a hard industry to get into. I never started the degree in the first place with the expectation that it would mean I could make a living off art. The time to focus on art & the amazing community I've met have been well worth it.
Sorry but unless you have the privilege of having rich parents who paid your college tuition, getting an expensive degree with no expectation that you can make a living in the field is sheer insanity. For the vast majority of people an “amazing community” is not worth getting into tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt for.
If that’s a trade-off you’re fine with, or if you’re one of those privileged enough to not have to worry about supporting yourself financially, then more power to you. But it’s a path that most people can’t even begin to entertain.
@@sssspider its just a trade off I'm fine living with. My parents are doing alright, but they don't have any spare money to help support me.
In the UK where I'm from it's the norm to take out a loan for your tuition fee & you only have to start paying it back once you're earning a certain yearly amount. I'm managing to survive on roughly £8000 a year while in uni (this is without having a job along with my studies, just maintenance loan & savings), which is less than half of what I'd need to earn yearly to have to pay off my tuition & maintenance loans. Maybe it's not the best idea to just go with the flow so much, but I'm 90% sure I would've dropped out by now if I'd done a maths degree (which was my initial plan) or anything else I didn't enjoy as much. I also got into a uni with a really good reputation, which is known for how well it introduces students into the actual industry, so there's at least some chance I manage to get an arts job right out of uni.
@@GwynnDdu If you’re in a prestigious school with a solid path into industry then it sounds like your decision at least has a decent chance of working out. I just think that the idea of going to college without the expectation that it’ll put you on the path to a good career is crazy, and it’s not something I would ever advise anyone to do, especially not someone fresh out of high school (or whatever you call it across the pond) with zero understanding of money and personal finance.
As much as people like to clown on art degrees I don’t think they’re anywhere close to being the worst offender. The sheer number of people walking around with useless MBA’s and psych degrees and 5 figure debts is a way bigger issue. Honestly I just think most people shouldn’t be going to college in the first place and that the higher education bubble needs to burst, but that’s a whole other discussion for another time.
@@sssspider you're probably correct lol
Everything while I was in school was pushing the idea that everybody should be trying to get a degree, and that it's better to get a degree even in something like art than no degree at all (I don't think I know a single friend my age who hasn't gone on to do some kinda degree or apprenticeship). In reality it probably would be better off for me financially to have just gone straight into work, but I still can't find it in myself to regret doing an art degree. It's really fun, I've met great people, it's allowed me to get used to living alone & having to deal with my own finances with what feels like more of a safety net, in future years I'll have opportunities to go to multiple big events in the illustration industry that otherwise I probably never would've been able to... Maybe it's naive or whatever, but as of right now it all feels worth it lol
@@GwynnDdu haha don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to shit on your decision, and I’m glad to hear that it’s working out for you. It sounds like for you college WAS the right choice, and it was also the right choice for me. But yeah for a lot of people it really isn’t, they’re just being pressured into it by… everything, really. I can only hope that by the time I have kids who are graduating high school, the college bubble will have already burst.
regarding the animation or art industry I think its important to remember that your degree actually isnt important. At all. Your portfolio speaks louder then anything else, as well has making connections with other artists. Make friends, talk to people and actually be qualified for the job youre applying. School isnt as necessary as some might think, at least in this field. The biggest reason people dont break into the industry is because they arent proactive enough, dont get to know people or straight up dont make work that can keep up with the demands. I hate to break it to you but just being ok isnt gonna cut it - you need to draw professionally or your not gonna get a job ^^
I know a lot of artists who are worried about this, and I am too as a writer trying to turn professional. The sad truth is that the creative industry is tough and there will always be people who will try to rip off or underpay creators. I know because it's happened to me. But sticking to your guns and pushing through is so worth it.
as long as us artist continue to not be good at hands the artists that do have degrees and the jobs we would dream to have are safe XD
To answer the title question: I sure hope not, because we're already seeing cases of lowered productivity and poor team coordination in the artistic field because people being hired for being "skilled prompters" instead of having knowledge or technical skill.
I'm not even getting an art degree, I'm an aspiring computer scientist and we're facing a similar problem.
Before I decided to study independently, I wanted to go to Ringling for college... turns out they just started offering AI courses 🤦♀️ If I hadn't decided against it before, I would've now.
I'm not an artist, I'm a computer science grad student and I can say that AI is threatening all salaried white collar and creative jobs. Bosses and HR will figure out that AI assistance can drastically increase employee productivity. If demand doesn't keep up we're in for a rough ride.
Everyone working in the knowledge/creative sector needs to give it a serious thought. Corporations are obviously seeking to exploit and squeeze dry any form of advantage they can get, even if that's at the expense of the worker. Freelancing and creating a personal brand on the side should be pretty high on your priority list.
I don't spend money on AI generated garbage and never will. Really hoping that this will make a difference in this trend, probably won't though...
I don’t have a creative writing degree, but with my technical writing BA I found it’s hard for me to find a job since almost all listings wanted people with years of experience. The rise of AI writing also makes me weary about my field since lots of people prefer to use AI generated texts even though I personally find them to be sloppy compared to a human written article. I decided I’m going to return to school and get a certification for a medical trade since I became more interested in that recently. It just seems like my degree will become obsolete eventually after seeing what’s happening to the art world
I thought the thumbnail was talking about art Goblins, didn't know the French had those
Damn, channel is good. The youtube algorithm told me to watch you, and I was entertained. Rejoice.
Sad and very compromising: it's a random school, it's a big one
I'm 2 years into an animation bachelor (and 30 000 euros in debt) and seing people getting fired left and right bc of ai is really stressing me out, I hope that ai will get more regulation
My ceramics teacher in university said much the same your prof did. He also said that only about 2% of students with art degrees will get art centric jobs. Another 5% will get art adjacent jobs. The rest will do nothing with their degree.
Myself, though I eventually changed majors, I still have my art and design as a minor and use it occasionally in my job.
You don't need an art degree for anything art related literally just be GOOD enough at art
Got a degree in journalism and thater. I'm happily employed as a refrigeration tech
Speaking about degrees in general and not necessarily art. I find it so limiting for those of us who aren't good at school but we learn and do a lot at the actual work place.
Some promotions or jobs are out of reach for no reason without a degree and it's so frustrating when you have both the skill and knowledge for the position.
I have a Diploma in IT game development which is honestly better than a degree in that area because if the huge range of practical skills that could allow you to take on most junior/graduate jobs in the video game and IT industries which is especially true for the indie region of the industry! :)
Is an art degree needed to be an artist? no. Is it a guarantee that it will give you a job? also no. Is it important? yes as higher education shouldn't be "get the degree that will give you the best job" but instead to enrich the lives of yourself and others while learning about habits that will help you interact with the field you want to specialise in. STEM is also important but we don't put it under the same scrutiny when a new theory is discovered that invalidates the facts of the past like we do for the humanities. Hard science without the humanities is how we get people like Elon Musk and we don't need more people like him
University in UK is only $9k a year? That’s so cheap! It’s so expensive here in the US 😭
my (fine)art ed was already hindered by covid, my faw teachers passing away and then a litteral war starting (i still finished my bachelor) but somehow AI evolving into what it is now was the worst thing that happened to me(psycologically) and my art pursuits in 2022 and past that
and a chunk of rocket crushed 1/3 of my academy this march , art just cant get any rest these days...
the 2020s are really not giving us a break, and these Braindead people are making sure of it. id say keep fighting for your art dream regardless of what AI Bros Say and no matter how Advanced AI becomes, AI can never have a soul like you do
I was a little scared too im a 3D artist so it’s a little different compared to 2D
Will we get cool new tools and plugins to play with that help us work more efficiently or will we get replaced.
I’m eager to download some of the new plugins I’ve seen for blender. I don’t think it will be that easy for 3D modelers to get replaced making a 3d model is just 1 tiny step I could just download a 3D model that is for commercial use and Continue my work from there there’s sure it’s not as fun but the Client doesn’t care about how i feel that it’s lazy to do that he just wants his stuff done as soon as possible and in the end it’s better to work smarter not harder, just making a model is the first step.
I can do : sculpting and poly modeling, rigging , uv mapping, texturing,some basic animation skills, photosbop,and Sony Vegas,after effects.
And with 3D software it’s basically an endless learning process
There is no such thing as mastering a 3D software because there is always more to learn you cannot master something like blender or maya. You may able to become proficient in using a particular 3D software and understand its tools and features but there will always be room for improvement because its constantly evolving with new technologies and techniques to discover. I feel like i barely scratched the surface after 5 years
The degree isn't worth much to begin with unless you're looking for a specific position in a company. Its like coding, programming, and software design- you're better off making something of your own you can fully monetize in a feasible manner than risking getting replaced by whatever the cheapest alternative is later, or just flatout wasting said degree cuz you don't get chosen for any positions
I was considering a degree in art, although after I left the military it was more financially feasible to go to IT school… until the 2023 tech crash one week before my graduation. I don’t know of any other trades which are great for crippled people.
Studying animation in the UK is also full of uninspiring lecturers who lack any industry networks
Frankly - and this goes even if AIart never existed or could somehow be stopped - if the possibility of making money, fame, wealth off one's art is a high point in the decision tree, GET OUT. And considering "Art School" is a big factor. Not classes or online classes but college, career, etc.
Art is one of those things that only flourished in scarcity. Very few people got into art on a "Professional" level mostly because they were called to it and really couldn't do anything else. Thus a few (Dali, Picasso) got to earn big bucks and be famous while alive. Despite being so kooky they'd make Van Gogh look like Sean Connery or Mr Rogers.
The marketing of stable 'professional' artists (and illustrators which artists) happens now and again but the expansion of scifi/fantasy in mainstream led to more art schools. This means a bunch of "Pros" with degrees and debt and expectations of being professional. The companies loved this, able to ignore the "Dali" types with exponential talent but didn't show up to work on time and wanted to do their creativity vs "Hey Kids! Here's the Joe Camel and smoking baby power hour!" corporate excretion. Also the "Pros" had to take abuse from businessmen so they'd line up to be spat in the face or punched in it (Figuratively) for work every day like other worker slaves.
And they never needed AIart - thanks to the internet "There are a MILLION working artists in the world" - professional quality illustrators rather. Ones who work in a country where $8 a MONTH is...a suck wage but beats ruining the body for $4 a month in deadly work or they could make a tiny fortune but at the cost of having the children and wife (you know) with lecherous tourists.
They rely on the fact also that artists are FOOLS. And writers. I'm insulting myself too. We'll do our work with very little reward and they'll keep us down unless we sign our souls to them in life then jump in and exploit us after death. They'll OPENLY steal from us and the courts will back them up. Lichenstein. Bob Finger. on and on. But if we legit are creatives we'll do it anyways.
So - TL/DR - what I'm trying to say.
1 - We need to stop the politics for "Halp us aiart turk r jurb!" - even IF we stop it, the 900K ultra poor in the 3rd world will scab us - and we'd not be able to stop them or try since they are 'fellow artists' and we sympathize.
2 - We need to push for UBI - Universal Basic Income - where we end corporate welfare and turn it back into supplementary income. This means more of us will be able to have a tiny check coming in as a base without the conditions of welfare or unemployment insurance. Eventually an AGI could be used to distribute labor and resources and create a "Jetsons" style future that'd be paradise for an artist who does works for their own sake.
3 - For us stuck in investing in our lives trying to be good artists, writers, musicians - we go INDIE. No more trying to find "Jurbs" for some corporation but like the office slaves and warehouse person who isn't an illegal immigrant showing up in suits and bearing one's soul with a resume. We make our own stuff (not quitting the day job) and sell it. We fight for being able to get in the bookstores and retails - to break that monopoly - and to stop the major online store from increasing 'rules' designed to eventually lock out those.
BTW - notice all the STEM stuff?
Same thing. Used to be only a few people got things like "Chemical Engineering Degrees" so they could get huge wages even if smelly social misfits. Now we got tons of "Job applicants" so those people are going out. Problem is it takes a rare person to concentrate and care about some things. And it's needed for bridges, decisions that can cost or make millions in a manufacturing process, rocket ships... But STEM gets tons of people with the approximate skills at the doorstep to apply for the job, lowering the wages they can demand. Supply and Demand - just they want to mess with it to mess with people.
I'm literally not concerned at all... I've got a story I simply want to tell... So I'm going to tell it... And I'm going to draw it... Because I like drawing...
"But how do you prove you did things and not have your work stolen by A.I.?"
I draw on paper before inking them in photoshop... Save ALL my Sketches and Drafts... And also I save ALL my scripts... I also ONLY write MY characters and MY stories... AND even more I write and draw my comics in such a way with various repeat panels that even I don't know how I draw a page layout until I actually draw it...
It's literally impossible for an A.I. to mimic me because I don't even know what I'm doing until I do it... I just do it...
Interesting history lesson.
20 years from now on: "Boomers had it so easy! You could buy a house from doing commissions before AI ruined everything!"