George you have been blessed with a overabundance of patience thank you for taking us along for the journey I can not express how cool this experience is to follow Thank you
This series has had my attention since you bought the Single Six. I'm on my second one; both have been the Bicentennial models with the 4-5/8" barrel. I had a gunsmithing business before I retired and taught gunsmithing at a community college. Your methodical troubleshooting is the best way to go. I truly hope the issue is an off center bore as that's a far easier fix than the other possibilities, although an off-center base pin hole isn't terrible to fix.
Verrrry interesting. The process of elimination is fun to watch. It's also interesting insofar as Ruger tried to pass this off as being 'shot out' One could logically assume this can't be a 'one off' either.
I'll be just as happy as you to see that revolver shoot good groups. But I'll miss this series. This has been quite interesting as well as entertaining. But I'll be looking forward to whatever you come up with next.
Great videos, My father was a gun smith, he began working on them, as US Army reserves armorer, he once had a pawnshop find, Heritage 22 that had a bent frame, and fired much like that Ruger.
Glad I found this channel !!!! This project is just the kind of thing I find myself getting into. When a shop says they have a non-functioning firearm, I feel like it's a double dog dare... I think I spend twice as much time working on my guns as I do shooting them.
It’s very satisfying to repair something that doesn’t work properly even if the cost and effort to some can seem a bit over the top . Great stuff as always 👍
Wow what a great find. Looks almost new. I have an older 22 mag pre transfer bar single six that has very little finish left on it. It’s been used and abused. I got it for $75. I have got to tell you though, it’s a shooter. It has one of the best triggers I’ve ever had on a gun. Goes to show you it doesn’t have to look pretty to be sweet. Great vid as usual.
I will be in total suspense until I see your next video George!! Interesting journey for sure., and I can't wait to see the final results of the trip !!! I WILL be watching !
George, this is a very nice way of looking for a solution together. This way it becomes a common adventure in which you involve us. Nice how you do this George…. thanks, Paul
Thank you for the interesting new installment! Good luck in your endeavors until the next one. I'm hoping you are able to get to the root of this problem. No doubt, it will be rewarding when you solve this one!
Hi George, I find this very interesting on your friends cylinder had narrow the problem down. Your single six has turned into a great adventure. Thanks for all your hard work and time.
That ‘63 looks darn near new! Wow nice! I have been enjoying this ride, working my gray matter some. I would not throw it in a lake, either. It will be nice to see that restored to what it should be. Thanks for sharing this with us.
I just bought one of these at a pawnshop. Looks just as good as this one that hardly been used. Comes with the box. Has all the original internal parts. It has been upgraded with the new transfer the bar.
Thank you for going thru a thorough checklist that only an engineer would do. I would like to shoot a convertible single six in field pistol ihmsa matches. These revolvers aren't known for their accuracy, so this is an excellent primer in steps to get one to less than 100 meter ram moa.
I think you finally got it you have patience. I don't think I could have done it. I would with a rifle one time I had a major issue with a Marlin one of my first new rifles I ever purchased. I didn't rest until I fixed it. I was going to bring it to a gunsmith. Got it on the last try. Have to call you Sherlock George.. I bet this works.
Throwing it in the lake would be ignorant. Still be worth hanging on to regardless. But you seem to be tackling the situation well. I've been enjoying following you through this.
This miss alignment is why my dad traded off a gun just like that. My dad called it shaven lead thank you for explaining this and the main reason my dad traded the gun off. His gun was a Super Single Six (with adjustable sites with the extra .22 mag cylinder in a red bag And the cylinder was floated and I think it was 1968 model
Great video! looking forward to you solving this interesting problem. have you placed the 68 cylinder into the 63 pistole that should eliminate the cylinder as being bad.
Did you catch the Smith that does this? I lost my 9.5" 32 h&r mag SSM that I had fit a brass Super Black Hawk frame to along with 55 other of my babies to some thieves years ago and still miss want another.
@@dhunterer444 i know there was a article or at least some discussion of the 32on the in onecof the shooters Bible from 2017 up. I have a few of the sb through a couple of trucks and a camp. I will look for specific as I get a chance. And I think John tafan or something like gun writer talked about them.
@@tbjtbj4786 Yeah I bet you'd have to pay 5x the price of a single 6 for the center fire conversion and the bbl cylinder combo then extra for the sblk hawk grip. A little bit more than I can do.
Hey George, excellent video. The loaner is gorgeous. You're not actually gonna shoot the 63 model are you? I heard that wrong didn't I ? The plot thickens. Throwing the 68 model in the lake is not an option lol. I live just down the road a bit lol. Love it. Thanks for sharing.
My 1959 is almost as nice as your friend's 1963. Mine has a smidge of holster wear on the barrel end on one side and the toe of the grip has the finish worn off of the frame. Other than that, it's almost perfect. Interested in seeing this - I hope you got your accuracy problem resolved.
The three numbers etched on the cylinder must match the last three numbers on the gun serial number. The cylinders are not interchangeable between different guns.
I found one just like the one you just pulled out of the box it checked to be one of the last year 3 screw models I put it on lay away hope I don’t have the trouble you have had it looks to be in good shape and the magnum cylinder is also fluted I know my dad had one of them and it was very accurate but it sounds like alignment of your frame and bore is off some
Sounds like you got a great single six. My problem turned out to be more complicated, but it all work out in the end. I think I wound up posting eight videos on this single six. Quite the journey!
You said it all toward the end of the video about the levels of adventure the journey has taken you. Plus the post seem to agree. Do you think your assistant will take the final shots? Anxiously awaiting the fix.
@@TargetSuite Roger That, we just had a rare heat dome in the Pacific Northwest, only lasted 4 days, but air conditioning is optional , some streets actually crack from heat.. lived in Texas for many years so combine the two I can relate to letting the assistant do the work :-)
I have enjoyed the your videos. As bad as it is, the old SS shoots better than the brand new 3.5 inch bird head 22LR/Mag Heritage Rough Rider I got last week. I have another Heritage RR and it shoots fine. I won't be getting any more Heritage revolvers.
Suggestion here: put the oversized base pin in each frame and the crowning pilot in each barrel and use a caliper to measure the distance between them to see if there is a difference in the relational position of those parts on each gun.
Very interesting saga going one here! Has me hanging by the seat of my pants! My original guess was something to do with the base pin but don't know now. Makes my want to get a 22 revolver again. I don't have one now but I have plenty of 22 ammo. Hmm
I noticed through your bore scope the electric pencil numbers ruger uglied up the cylinder face with. When I bought a flat top years ago I thought a previous owner was a bubba the first time I took out the cylinder. I will never understand their thinking on that one.
Guys that fix old pieces, don't throw them in the lake. The fun part is finally figuring out what was wrong, when the other 10 things you thought was wrong, was NOT it. Being wrong, can be a good thing.
@@TargetSuite Lol! Will we ever be able to lead a normal Life? I think what we got here is worse than what just swept across the world. Imagine, the Knack is in Belgium, Bulgaria , Germany, Serbia, Italia, Sweden, Russia , Japan, Spain, Swiss. Don't tell anybody! Lol!
Just curious; is your cylinder numbered to your revolver? All of the .22 magnum cylinders i have seen have the last few digits of the serial number engraved into them. If it doesn't it probably wasn't fitted at the factory.
I hope so too, but I have learned so much that if it winds up being a wall hanger or a doorstop it will still have been worth the effort. Thanks all as always for watching and thank you for your comments!
Iv`e been wanting to get a six with the mag cylinder also lately but have put it on the back burner because of ammo availability this year but now with this issue coming up it has me wondering if I do get one will it have these type of issues as we all like to have an accurate gun. Maybe I`ll get one anyway just to play with my bore scope and maybe have a project to do.
When an O/s pin goes in I would suspect this to mean, there is excessive wear in the two components of original offering now? I have to admire the common sense of turning the barrell will shift the rifled bore as you turn it undone if the is a eccentricity with the threading or drilling of that part. In this nation where I live we are not allowed to possess handguns except for govt. service or club activity. With the latter there are stringent restrictions and most members have to have weapons retained by the club rangemaster who stored them in the police vault when I was inquiring about it. With that I like to say that the revolver is a very nice piece of engineered metal and timber.
If you got it cheap enough to offset the cost of fixing it, then it is worth it. Since the barrel to cylinder alignment is in the realm of several thousandths of an inch, couldn't you get a rough idea of the centering by just measuring with calipers?
@@TargetSuite yeah, I saw that one and it was like .010 or .015 off, that should be more than visible with some calipers. Just a check for what you are already fairly certain.
Actually the .011" shim didn't cause the cylinder to move but the .015" shim did. So it only moved about .004". I think another .002" would have centered it.
Just throwing out another hypothesis here. Could the cylinder in your 1968 model not be the correct cylinder for that revolver?? When I see convertibles with missing cylinders I always question if somewhere in the past someone played mix and match. Probably not but who knows.
Now we're getting somewhere! I am wondering why the service folks at Ruger didn't find this, almost right away, They built it,. and in my humble opinion, they should have expected something like this. But, what do I know, I am in no way, a Gunsmith either.
They may have known it was the barrel all along and just didn't have any of the old model barrels still laying around. But they did offer me a discount on a new one if I let them destroy this one. I chose no, and am glad I did.
Could it possibly be the action timing being off. I know it was a problem with the range s@ w . The cylinder would stop lining up with the barrel over time and use. And they would start shaving lead and spiting out of the cylinder gap.
So, by process of elimination, we now know it's not a cylinder issue, nor a base pin issue. That kinda is pointing to the barrel, or the location of the base pin holes. If it ends up being the barrel, that's easy enough to fix....new barrel time. But, if it's the base pin hole location, is it a dead horse?? I don't see how you could relocate the base pin holes. I'm sure anxious to see how this all turns out.
According to mr. Ron power the base pin holes can be moved, but it is a real process. What I would probably do at that point is put the old Barrel back on and see if the improved timing makes it shoot good enough to be functional and fun.
@@TargetSuite yes, if the new indexing finger fixes the rotational issue, then you just have the up/down alignment problem. That would be 50% of the whole picture, and like you say, it might get it close enough to make it a fun plinker. Well, I'm anxious to see what happens. Thank you, sir. I always enjoy learning something new.
@@TargetSuite a footnote in all this, being a machinist of 40 years and a gunguy since the 60s, cnc technology has brought alignment and concentricity to new levels in standard firearms we see today. The old boys who put together superbly accurate guns in the day were awesome craftsmen in general. In some ways the good old days are here now. I love it that you have pusued this project. 👊🏻🇺🇸
I dabbled as a machinist want to be back in the 80s between careers. And I got to experience both sides of Machining. It helps me to be a little more gracious towards Ruger and other manufacturers who made guns the hard way.
I would be interested to find out how much she paid for the gun at the pawn shop. And when you're all done I would kind of like to know how much it costs you. Good luck...
I only asked them to recur around the barrel. So they were never asked to do a general checkup. But they did offer to replace the gun with a new one at a reduced cost. So I think Ruger took the high road with me.
@@TargetSuite I think Ruger has been trying to get the old 3 screw models out of the markets for years already. I would have said base pins from the previous video until you mentioned nonconcentric crowning in this video I am now going with the bore not being bored straight.
Perhaps the forcing cone is not concentric with the barrel o.d.???? You might indicate the barrel outside diameter in a lathe (or on precise vee blocks) and then use an indicator on the inside of the forcing cone while turning the barrel in the blocks and see if the forcing cone is oscillating. If so, a new barrel may be the ticket?? No???
I think the forcing cone is concentric to the barrel OD but not the barrel bore. I have the forcing cone reamer and will be recutting that forcing cone this week. I do have a second Barrel to try if nothing else works out. Lots of work to do on this Ruger Single-Six.
I’ve been lookin at a 68 old model on gunbroker in excellent shape. My question for you is, do you think this was a widespread problem at ruger in 68, or just a freak random occurrence with one firearm (yours) being the sole victim?
Well I'd like to give you an opinion but I've only had experience with one handgun. My guess is this was anomaly that got passed around until I wound up with it.
@@TargetSuite thanks for the reply. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a new model, with a SAA style trench sight. If I had gotten an old model I would have to baby one of those sweet things. May still get one in the future for collectors sake. God Bless you sir, and thanks for the videos.
Kudos to you for "going the distance" on the problem. I'd expect no less from an engineer!
👍👍 thanks!
"Sticking" with this series is an inadequate statement. For me "Glued" is more appropriate. Great videos, all!
Thanks! I appreciate you "sticking" with me!
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Well I certainly hope the glue sticks.
Heck, I smile every time you put up a video George. I’m learning like crazy!
Thanks Michael! I'm learning too!
While I understand the sentiment of those who have said "throw it in the lake", I have to say I would keep looking too. I enjoy puzzles.
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George you have been blessed with a overabundance of patience thank you for taking us along for the journey I can not express how cool this experience is to follow Thank you
Thanks! It has been a great experience for me as well.
We are all learning a lot from your "adventure".
Thanks! Comments like that make it all worthwhile😎
This series has had my attention since you bought the Single Six. I'm on my second one; both have been the Bicentennial models with the 4-5/8" barrel. I had a gunsmithing business before I retired and taught gunsmithing at a community college. Your methodical troubleshooting is the best way to go. I truly hope the issue is an off center bore as that's a far easier fix than the other possibilities, although an off-center base pin hole isn't terrible to fix.
Ron Power tried to walk me through the off-center base pin hole repair, and I found myself hoping it turns out to be something else😄
We're on the edge of our seats! Can't wait to see how this turns out!
Thanks! Me to!
Myself also !
Awesome! You’ve eliminated a lot of variables. Can’t wait for the final video in this series. I have confidence that you’ll tighten up those groups.
I sure hope so. But sometimes the journey is the best part😄
Verrrry interesting. The process of elimination is fun to watch. It's also interesting insofar as Ruger tried to pass this off as being 'shot out' One could logically assume this can't be a 'one off' either.
I'm not sure why Ruger called this "shot out". It may have just been a catch all phrase that covered other issues they saw with it.
I'll be just as happy as you to see that revolver shoot good groups. But I'll miss this series. This has been quite interesting as well as entertaining. But I'll be looking forward to whatever you come up with next.
I'll miss it too. I never dreamed I would make this many videos about this gun. I hope I can find another Problem Child and start a new series soon.
That'd be an awesome follow up George, I liked the Marlin that needed the action tuning 44mag I believe. That's the good stuff!
I love this. Finding and correcting
These issues is a great education.
I can't wait for the next one.
Thanks! This series has been a blast too make!
Thanks!
Great videos, My father was a gun smith, he began working on them, as US Army reserves armorer, he once had a pawnshop find, Heritage 22 that had a bent frame, and fired much like that Ruger.
Looking forward to seeing a successful repair. But more importantly, seeing it shoot well!
Amen!
We waited ALL DAY for this?!!! :)))
Definitely well worth the wait!
Thanks, George.
Thanks Tom!
Your going to make us all wait weeks to see that you've repaired it hope it all works out can't wait to see
Haha! That's not on purpose. I just won't be able to get everything done to get the barrel off in time for next week's video.
Glad I found this channel !!!!
This project is just the kind of thing I find myself getting into. When a shop says they have a non-functioning firearm, I feel like it's a double dog dare...
I think I spend twice as much time working on my guns as I do shooting them.
It’s very satisfying to repair something that doesn’t work properly even if the cost and effort to some can seem a bit over the top . Great stuff as always 👍
Thanks! I couldn't agree more about working on your own stuff. Very satisfying.
Now the finish line is in sight! Only one or two hurdles left. You've invented something new, George: Interactive Reality Internet!
Haha! Thanks Glen!
Wow what a great find. Looks almost new. I have an older 22 mag pre transfer bar single six that has very little finish left on it. It’s been used and abused. I got it for $75. I have got to tell you though, it’s a shooter. It has one of the best triggers I’ve ever had on a gun. Goes to show you it doesn’t have to look pretty to be sweet. Great vid as usual.
Thanks!
Really enjoying this series of videos…and your channel in general. Please keep them coming. Can’t wait for the barrel replacement!
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Great episode! I'm really looking forward to seeing if the new barrel will solve the issue and prove your hypothesis!
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No, not the lake George! You'll get it, and we will all learn from it. Great video's.
Thanks! I hope so. That will make it all worthwhile.
I will be in total suspense until I see your next video George!! Interesting journey for sure., and I can't wait to see the final results of the trip !!! I WILL be watching !
You’ve got me hooked. I must know what is wrong with it now and how it gets fixed. Not an engineer but a lifelong mechanic and gun enthusiast.
Looking forward to the final resolution. Fun stuff!
Thanks. I'm looking forward to resolution as well. I'd like Tubi shooting this thing instead of always working on it😄
George, this is a very nice way of looking for a solution together. This way it becomes a common adventure in which you involve us. Nice how you do this George…. thanks, Paul
Early model New Model Single Sixes also had fluted magnum cylinders. My 1973 New Model with the transfer bar has a fluted magnum cylinder.
Thanks. I didn't know the fluted cylinders made it into the new model.
They must have been transitioning in 1973 because I have my father's 1973 New Model, purchased new, that came with an unfluted magnum cylinder.
My 74" NM convertible also has a fluted cylinder.
This is an interesting series, George. Thanks.
Thank you! And thank you for watching!
Thank you for the interesting new installment! Good luck in your endeavors until the next one. I'm hoping you are able to get to the root of this problem. No doubt, it will be rewarding when you solve this one!
Thanks! It's been a rewarding project for me so far!
Hi George, I find this very interesting on your friends cylinder had narrow the problem down. Your single six has turned into a great adventure. Thanks for all your hard work and time.
One step at a time. This is about the best series' I've seen on YT. Very educational.
Thanks! I appreciate that!
Correct usage of the word "saga." You are getting your money's worth out of that old gun and we are enjoying this journey.
That ‘63 looks darn near new! Wow nice! I have been enjoying this ride, working my gray matter some. I would not throw it in a lake, either. It will be nice to see that restored to what it should be. Thanks for sharing this with us.
My pleasure, really! Thanks for watching!
It's been a fun adventure. Always looking for the next chapter. I think your on the right path to success.
Thanks. I sure have enjoyed this. And the reception over the last two videos has been overwhelming!😎
Thanks for all the great info. I can not wait till you figure it all out.
Me too. I just need to find another gun like this single-six so we can all go on another adventure together😄
The saga continues! Anxious to see how it turns out.
Great comparison and a good process for finding the cure. Looks like you're on the right track now so follow that trail.
I just bought one of these at a pawnshop. Looks just as good as this one that hardly been used. Comes with the box. Has all the original internal parts. It has been upgraded with the new transfer the bar.
Excellent! That's the best of both worlds. At what I am sure is a more affordable price. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for going thru a thorough checklist that only an engineer would do. I would like to shoot a convertible single six in field pistol ihmsa matches. These revolvers aren't known for their accuracy, so this is an excellent primer in steps to get one to less than 100 meter ram moa.
Hope the problem finally gets fixed. you have had to go through a lot of troubleshooting with this one. looking forward to the final solution.
Keep em coming George, enjoy Hans's single 6. Can't wait for the next one and a very happy Independence day have fun at the range.
I think you finally got it you have patience. I don't think I could have done it. I would with a rifle one time I had a major issue with a Marlin one of my first new rifles I ever purchased. I didn't rest until I fixed it. I was going to bring it to a gunsmith. Got it on the last try. Have to call you Sherlock George.. I bet this works.
I think we're on the home stretch.
Love the kentucky ballistics support you show
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I bought a 357 ruger single action years ago and even today i can kick myself in the ass for selling it..
I understand. It's a good thing I can't reach my back side either or I'd have shoe marks from several of those guns I Let Go.
Throwing it in the lake would be ignorant. Still be worth hanging on to regardless. But you seem to be tackling the situation well. I've been enjoying following you through this.
Thanks! I appreciate you sticking with me.
This miss alignment is why my dad traded off a gun just like that. My dad called it shaven lead thank you for explaining this and the main reason my dad traded the gun off. His gun was a Super Single Six (with adjustable sites with the extra .22 mag cylinder in a red bag And the cylinder was floated and I think it was 1968 model
Excellent series.
Thanks Andy!
Great video! looking forward to you solving this interesting problem. have you placed the 68 cylinder into the 63 pistole that should eliminate the cylinder as being bad.
That's a great question. The 68 cylinder was too long and would not fit in the 63 frame. It rubbed on the back of the barrel.
Well if all else fails I remember reading that some custom gunsmith would convert single six in a 32 h @ r mag
I've heard about that conversion.
Did you catch the Smith that does this? I lost my 9.5" 32 h&r mag SSM that I had fit a brass Super Black Hawk frame to along with 55 other of my babies to some thieves years ago and still miss want another.
@@dhunterer444 i know there was a article or at least some discussion of the 32on the in onecof the shooters Bible from 2017 up.
I have a few of the sb through a couple of trucks and a camp. I will look for specific as I get a chance.
And I think John tafan or something like gun writer talked about them.
@@dhunterer444 i could not find it. But I think it might have been Bowen.
@@tbjtbj4786 Yeah I bet you'd have to pay 5x the price of a single 6 for the center fire conversion and the bbl cylinder combo then extra for the sblk hawk grip. A little bit more than I can do.
I actually love this series! Very interesting and informative!!!
Thanks! I appreciate that!
Enjoying this series. Thanks!
Hey George, excellent video. The loaner is gorgeous. You're not actually gonna shoot the 63 model are you? I heard that wrong didn't I ? The plot thickens. Throwing the 68 model in the lake is not an option lol. I live just down the road a bit lol. Love it. Thanks for sharing.
My 1959 is almost as nice as your friend's 1963. Mine has a smidge of holster wear on the barrel end on one side and the toe of the grip has the finish worn off of the frame. Other than that, it's almost perfect. Interested in seeing this - I hope you got your accuracy problem resolved.
Your doing a great job on this project 👏
Not my wheelhouse, more into semi-auto pistols. Great video for the old timers
Used to have a Ruger Blackhawk .45 single. such a fun shooter.
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With that SP101 2¼" on the table, I was hoping you'd get around to checking its alignment.
That's coming up in a subsequent video. I plan to overhaul that pistol to make it smooth as butter for my wife. It is her carry gun.
The three numbers etched on the cylinder must match the last three numbers on the gun serial number. The cylinders are not interchangeable between different guns.
I found one just like the one you just pulled out of the box it checked to be one of the last year 3 screw models I put it on lay away hope I don’t have the trouble you have had it looks to be in good shape and the magnum cylinder is also fluted I know my dad had one of them and it was very accurate but it sounds like alignment of your frame and bore is off some
Sounds like you got a great single six. My problem turned out to be more complicated, but it all work out in the end. I think I wound up posting eight videos on this single six. Quite the journey!
You said it all toward the end of the video about the levels of adventure the journey has taken you. Plus the post seem to agree. Do you think your assistant will take the final shots? Anxiously awaiting the fix.
If it keeps getting hotter, I'll let my "assistant" do all the outside work until it cools off a bit😎
@@TargetSuite Roger That, we just had a rare heat dome in the Pacific Northwest, only lasted 4 days, but air conditioning is optional , some streets actually crack from heat.. lived in Texas for many years so combine the two I can relate to letting the assistant do the work :-)
I have enjoyed the your videos. As bad as it is, the old SS shoots better than the brand new 3.5 inch bird head 22LR/Mag Heritage Rough Rider I got last week. I have another Heritage RR and it shoots fine. I won't be getting any more Heritage revolvers.
Suggestion here: put the oversized base pin in each frame and the crowning pilot in each barrel and use a caliper to measure the distance between them to see if there is a difference in the relational position of those parts on each gun.
Very interesting saga going one here! Has me hanging by the seat of my pants! My original guess was something to do with the base pin but don't know now. Makes my want to get a 22 revolver again. I don't have one now but I have plenty of 22 ammo. Hmm
Liking the trouble shooting. If I may ask, what kind of bore scope are you using? I might have missed that video if you made one of the scope.
The brand is Teslong, and yes I did feature that in one of these single six videos.
I noticed through your bore scope the electric pencil numbers ruger uglied up the cylinder face with. When I bought a flat top years ago I thought a previous owner was a bubba the first time I took out the cylinder. I will never understand their thinking on that one.
My guess is that it was an easy way for the "fitter" to label each cylinder to the gun it was fitted for.
Good stuff as usual my friend
Guys that fix old pieces, don't throw them in the lake.
The fun part is finally figuring out what was wrong, when the other 10 things you thought was wrong, was NOT it.
Being wrong, can be a good thing.
You absolutely get it! Dilbert called it, "The Knack"
@@TargetSuite Lol!
Will we ever be able to lead a normal Life?
I think what we got here is worse than what just swept across the world.
Imagine, the Knack is in Belgium, Bulgaria , Germany, Serbia, Italia, Sweden, Russia , Japan, Spain, Swiss.
Don't tell anybody! Lol!
I like your black cat clock on the wall. I think Doc. Brown had one of them in Back to the Future.
Those blocks have been around since the forties I believe. My aunt had one when I was a little kid so maybe even before that
Hi have you tried the old cylinder in the unfired single six for a alignment check.
The cylinder from my gun will no fit the unfired SS. It is too long and rubs against the back of the barrel.
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Welcome 😊
Good Stuff George
Thank you 👍
You are welcome! And thanks for watching.
Just curious; is your cylinder numbered to your revolver? All of the .22 magnum cylinders i have seen have the last few digits of the serial number engraved into them. If it doesn't it probably wasn't fitted at the factory.
It's the journey!
I hope all goes well in the fixing of that old gun from the pawnshop
I hope so too, but I have learned so much that if it winds up being a wall hanger or a doorstop it will still have been worth the effort. Thanks all as always for watching and thank you for your comments!
It's Colonel Mustard with the rope in the Library!
I think the .22 mag is a different diameter than the .22 Long Rifle .
Need some dramatic music .
Yes. The 22lr groove diameter is .222" and the mag barrel is .224"
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That’s a very pretty gun
Yes it really is. I really do like Ruger revolvers. Even though I have had problems with the 1968 model.
Another great video
Iv`e been wanting to get a six with the mag cylinder also lately but have put it on the back burner because of ammo availability this year but now with this issue coming up it has me wondering if I do get one will it have these type of issues as we all like to have an accurate gun. Maybe I`ll get one anyway just to play with my bore scope and maybe have a project to do.
Well I certainly wouldn't hesitate to buy a problem gun again. At least if it had the same kind of issues as this😄
Great content thanks for sharing
Thank you. And thanks for
When an O/s pin goes in I would suspect this to mean, there is excessive wear in the two components of original offering now? I have to admire the common sense of turning the barrell will shift the rifled bore as you turn it undone if the is a eccentricity with the threading or drilling of that part. In this nation where I live we are not allowed to possess handguns except for govt. service or club activity. With the latter there are stringent restrictions and most members have to have weapons retained by the club rangemaster who stored them in the police vault when I was inquiring about it. With that I like to say that the revolver is a very nice piece of engineered metal and timber.
If you got it cheap enough to offset the cost of fixing it, then it is worth it.
Since the barrel to cylinder alignment is in the realm of several thousandths of an inch, couldn't you get a rough idea of the centering by just measuring with calipers?
I got a pretty good idea of how "off" it was in the last video when I crammed a shim between the frame and cylinder.
@@TargetSuite yeah, I saw that one and it was like .010 or .015 off, that should be more than visible with some calipers. Just a check for what you are already fairly certain.
Actually the .011" shim didn't cause the cylinder to move but the .015" shim did. So it only moved about .004". I think another .002" would have centered it.
Just throwing out another hypothesis here. Could the cylinder in your 1968 model not be the correct cylinder for that revolver?? When I see convertibles with missing cylinders I always question if somewhere in the past someone played mix and match. Probably not but who knows.
That's a good question, but it is etched with the proper serial number to match the gun.
@@TargetSuite That answers that question. I knew some Rugers were inscribed but for some reason not all are from what I have read.
Ron Power is a great name
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Now we're getting somewhere!
I am wondering why the service folks at Ruger didn't find this, almost right away, They built it,. and in my humble opinion, they should have expected something like this.
But, what do I know, I am in no way, a Gunsmith either.
They may have known it was the barrel all along and just didn't have any of the old model barrels still laying around. But they did offer me a discount on a new one if I let them destroy this one. I chose no, and am glad I did.
@@TargetSuite Oh well then, I suppose "half a loaf may be better than none!" I'm glad your decision held too.
Could it possibly be the action timing being off.
I know it was a problem with the range s@ w . The cylinder would stop lining up with the barrel over time and use.
And they would start shaving lead and spiting out of the cylinder gap.
Timing is definitely off. That is the what I will fix with the components from Power Custom.
@@TargetSuite oh ok the first time through i was thinking it was just the base pin.
And my 73 has a fluted mag cylinder.
So, by process of elimination, we now know it's not a cylinder issue, nor a base pin issue. That kinda is pointing to the barrel, or the location of the base pin holes. If it ends up being the barrel, that's easy enough to fix....new barrel time. But, if it's the base pin hole location, is it a dead horse?? I don't see how you could relocate the base pin holes. I'm sure anxious to see how this all turns out.
According to mr. Ron power the base pin holes can be moved, but it is a real process. What I would probably do at that point is put the old Barrel back on and see if the improved timing makes it shoot good enough to be functional and fun.
@@TargetSuite yes, if the new indexing finger fixes the rotational issue, then you just have the up/down alignment problem. That would be 50% of the whole picture, and like you say, it might get it close enough to make it a fun plinker. Well, I'm anxious to see what happens. Thank you, sir. I always enjoy learning something new.
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Could center pin be bent?
The education is worth the effort.
Yes, especially for me.
@@TargetSuite a footnote in all this, being a machinist of 40 years and a gunguy since the 60s, cnc technology has brought alignment and concentricity to new levels in standard firearms we see today. The old boys who put together superbly accurate guns in the day were awesome craftsmen in general. In some ways the good old days are here now. I love it that you have pusued this project. 👊🏻🇺🇸
I dabbled as a machinist want to be back in the 80s between careers. And I got to experience both sides of Machining. It helps me to be a little more gracious towards Ruger and other manufacturers who made guns the hard way.
@@TargetSuite your approach is on the money, was’nt time wasted sir.
I would be interested to find out how much she paid for the gun at the pawn shop. And when you're all done I would kind of like to know how much it costs you. Good luck...
So, Ruger's Service Dept. checked this gun out and found no trouble ?
I only asked them to recur around the barrel. So they were never asked to do a general checkup. But they did offer to replace the gun with a new one at a reduced cost. So I think Ruger took the high road with me.
@@TargetSuite Yes, thanks George.
@@TargetSuite I think Ruger has been trying to get the old 3 screw models out of the markets for years already. I would have said base pins from the previous video until you mentioned nonconcentric crowning in this video I am now going with the bore not being bored straight.
Perhaps the forcing cone is not concentric with the barrel o.d.????
You might indicate the barrel outside diameter in a lathe (or on precise vee blocks) and then use an indicator on the inside of the forcing cone while turning the barrel in the blocks and see if the forcing cone is oscillating. If so, a new barrel may be the ticket??
No???
I think the forcing cone is concentric to the barrel OD but not the barrel bore. I have the forcing cone reamer and will be recutting that forcing cone this week. I do have a second Barrel to try if nothing else works out. Lots of work to do on this Ruger Single-Six.
4:35 felt like an eye exam
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Thanks for watching!
very interesting video.
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I THINK ITS VERY INTERESTING
Very nice
I’ve been lookin at a 68 old model on gunbroker in excellent shape. My question for you is, do you think this was a widespread problem at ruger in 68, or just a freak random occurrence with one firearm (yours) being the sole victim?
Well I'd like to give you an opinion but I've only had experience with one handgun. My guess is this was anomaly that got passed around until I wound up with it.
@@TargetSuite thanks for the reply. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a new model, with a SAA style trench sight. If I had gotten an old model I would have to baby one of those sweet things. May still get one in the future for collectors sake. God Bless you sir, and thanks for the videos.
Way back when you still could in the UK, I nearly bought one of those.