I did this job for 9 years.... Its a crappy job that slowly kills your body, is mostly underpaid, especially at a dealership, and costs you a fortune in tools...its no wonder most don't want want to do this anymore?
i went to school to be a mechanic (1998), 2 years later i became a electrician 2001, been an electrician for 23 years. best choice of my life. but i still can turn a wrench. This definitely co insides with right to repair.
I wish I could have been an electrician but automotive is only for people who have no schooling and no future. The pay is pretty good in that perspective. I came into automotive when I was 24 and now it's been 27 months and I went from getting a job at McDonald's or as a delivery driver to working towards an A technician. Automotive is great if you have no future.
Dealerships and independent shows under pay you that is why people are living the trade. Ibreccomend that you start your own mobile service I get pay 100 flat rate.
There is absolutely no shortage of highly skilled mechanics. There is however an extremely dire shortage of highly skilled mechanics willing to work for very poor pay!!!!
As a 75 year old man that needs to get my cars repaired has found most mechanics are parts changers they don't know how to diagnose they just keep changing parts charging money till they get it right. What a racket.
@@Abandonsoyciety I agree with your recommendation to not go to chain shops. They have mediocre technicians at best. They are parts changers. Some dealerships are also parts changers. I know a technician that charges for a diagnosis, and if he replaces a part that doesn't fix the issue, he eats the price of the part. If you're good at diagnosing like he is, you can make a lot of money, like he is.
I spent 10 years as a tech, left it in 22' as I could no longer feed my family with its wage. I did enjoy the challenges of the new technology, the ability to now weld, wiring and troubleshooting. Unfortunately it did not turn into the life long carreer I thought it was gonna be. Might try being an electrician in the future.
I think auto technicians are one of the few jobs where you need to have more than just a few skills. You have to be somewhat physical, solid problem solving skills, healthy psychology ect. It took me 5 years to make good money. When I became a diesel tech for fleet in my area that was the jump I needed. Now (10yrs later) I work directly for auto manufacturer servicing ev fleet and make way more money and way less physical. So I guess even in auto it’s true, being a sparky is easy and pays better.
@ 25 to 32 an hour is a huge jump. But sadly in to days economy $32hr is a struggle unless your spouse is making similar pay. I’m a little over $40hr and still live like I was making $25hr. I’ll admit I’m lucky and maybe a little smart but I own my little house that I bought back in 2017 and only cost me $60k and didn’t have a car payment until this year but it’s only a $20k car and I put 20% down. My wife makes ok money so we are doing well. but we lived cheap, borderline poor for 13 years together and we had a kid 10 years ago. Also all of this is relative where I live in the Midwest so cost of living is easer to swallow compared to most of the US
Around 2000 I worked in a shop co-op senior year of HS. I was working the front and busting tires. The mechanics found out I was going in school to become a mechanic and was one for the summers there, they said to me heart to heart don't do become a mechanic, so I went for that 2 year mechanic degree still then got a bachelor's in automotive engineering technology and have been an automotive engineer since then.
When I went to NVCC, the trades professors told us the hobbyist was keeping the programs alive. They needed 8 students to run a class and it was usually one or two hobbyists that filled that #8 slot.
Well, when manufacturers create systems with insane complexity, dont make them easy to repair, require 10's of thousands of dollars of special tools, pay them shit, treat them like shit, its no wondre, i have been in the industry for nearly 30 years. If i was not running my own show i would have given up long ago. The industry is full of cutthroat fuckwits and this trade is hell.
I think imdependant repair shops are doomed. The amount of special tools required will only get higher and Im sure fast enough youll be forced to login to the cars system as certified *brand* mechanic to do any diagnostics. Pretty sure in the future you wont be able to diy brakes too as everything will have a chip. Similar as to iphones now. And when people will try to switch to older cars because of lower maintenance cost, theyll ban them alltogether and force us drive these privacy infringing pieces of garbage.
The industry was crying about a technician shortage 20 years ago when I started my appenticship. All I saw was my hourly rate stagnate while labor times shrank, more effort from manufacturers to not pay for warrenty work completed, and more of my weekends going to the shop. How could they expect anything other than more people leaving?
Bright mechanics make huge money. Unfortunately it takes many years to reach that level. Mentors in the family helps. Also mechanics can work around the tax system that drain you in other industries.
I like timing belts but it's 5.5-6 labor hours for myself. Once I did a timing belt job for 3 labor hours dude. It was garbage. Now I will only do it for 5.5 labor.
Apprentice industrial electrician here. Its definitely not the easiest trade and difficulty to get in to. Lets just say we're used to diagnose all the other trades problems.
Im a formally trained automotive technician. Im currently an electrician. Before long, ill probably be moving back towards the automotive, because its going all electric.
I have turned wrenches for 25 years. The pay is terrible! Keep in mind I specialize in European and exotic cars, I know what you’re thinking. It pays more than your average, but let me tell you no it doesn’t. At one point, the girl that I was dating worked at a restaurant and made more money than I did.
This is very similar in the repo business We have very high costs and equipment but the finances and forwarder companies are raking in huge profits and paying pennies on the dollar to the actual repo man
Was a tech for 18 years with European license, Canadian license, and US license but moved to accounting, 3 years ago. Due to inadequate pay, insurance... As an accountant making little bit more, working in an office... However, helping poor to fix their cars 3 time less price then they would have to pay in a shops, just as hobby. Do not waste your time to become a thech to work for someone 😌
I have been working on cars since i was thirteen, 57 now, Cars have gotten so retardadly difficult to work on and the cost of keeping up with the special tools needed will bankrupt even the best mechanics, Also why would some one kill them self when the can work at Starbucks and make $24 an hour, were is the incentive????? I still do it as a hobby and have done so for over twenty years as I switched to being an Industrial Electrician and make three times the money and not even ten percent the work or stress
Im 23 my old man taught me to wrench my backs fuckeed from lifting to much when i was younger im wiser than most when it comes to repairs yet we are undervalued and yet its not worth it better off being a roofer rigger or bricklayer with a lot less hastle 😂
Mgtow= men going their own way Mgtow=mechanics going their own way. MMGTOW= mechanic men going their own way 4B movement ain’t goona be driving nowhere that’s for sure😂
At dealership meetings tell your bosses to tell the manufacturers to stop buying plann Obsolescence, shoddy garbage parts. We know why automobiles have so many problems because the factory heads Specked out weak parts. So they can rob their customers.
Mechanics do not offer value for their services. Big established chain auto shops or small mom and pop shops. I've used them all for simple stuff like oil changes and they still manage to screw it up. Doesn't matter if you pay them more or you pay them less. They still manage to screw up the job somehow or rip you off another way. That's the number one reason why people end up doing their own car maintenance. Routine maintenance is simple enough to do so why are these mechanics who are supposedly trained and educated charging a fortune and still managing to do a substandard job? Honest work for honest pay is how you stay employed in the long run. It's easy to rip people off for short term profits but you'll be out of work eventually. It's only a matter of time before these mechanics get replaced anyways. Once electric vehicle batteries get standardized there won't be much work for mechanics. The only routine maintenance for electric vehicles is brakes and tires which is easy enough to do on your own.
The problem is that shop owners force their mechanics work as fast as possible and auto manufacturers make the work itself as complex as possible. Of course they screw up.
@king49334 don't know where from but here in Michigan we have to have almost 4 years of schooling, about 6500 hours of on the job work, and that's just to qualify to take the state test. But then again my apprenticeship is for industrial electricians which is much more complex than residential.
We understand the mechanics want more money. But where's that money going to come from ?? These cars always have problems. The working class people don't have that kind of money to pay for Redundant rigged parts. The automobiles today you don't fix. You are just glorified part changers. The parts are expensive and cheap.
Not to worry. Much like horse traders and blacksmiths at the beginning of the 20th century, these people won't be needed in the near future as internal combustion engines are fast becoming obsolete due to the amazing adoption of battery electric cars and trucks.
@@Abandonsoyciety I know what the best selling car on the planet is. Tesla model Y. You don't have to be a rocket engineer to see the writing on the wall, genius.
I did this job for 9 years.... Its a crappy job that slowly kills your body, is mostly underpaid, especially at a dealership, and costs you a fortune in tools...its no wonder most don't want want to do this anymore?
i went to school to be a mechanic (1998), 2 years later i became a electrician 2001, been an electrician for 23 years. best choice of my life. but i still can turn a wrench. This definitely co insides with right to repair.
I wish I could have been an electrician but automotive is only for people who have no schooling and no future. The pay is pretty good in that perspective. I came into automotive when I was 24 and now it's been 27 months and I went from getting a job at McDonald's or as a delivery driver to working towards an A technician. Automotive is great if you have no future.
Dealerships and independent shows under pay you that is why people are living the trade. Ibreccomend that you start your own mobile service I get pay 100 flat rate.
There is absolutely no shortage of highly skilled mechanics.
There is however an extremely dire shortage of highly skilled mechanics willing to work for very poor pay!!!!
As a 75 year old man that needs to get my cars repaired has found most mechanics are parts changers they don't know how to diagnose they just keep changing parts charging money till they get it right. What a racket.
Yes because they dont wanna pay for the good ones.
You go to a chain shop you get what you pay for. Besides I thought boomers could fix their own cars? You just lazy or something?
@@Abandonsoyciety I agree with your recommendation to not go to chain shops. They have mediocre technicians at best. They are parts changers. Some dealerships are also parts changers. I know a technician that charges for a diagnosis, and if he replaces a part that doesn't fix the issue, he eats the price of the part. If you're good at diagnosing like he is, you can make a lot of money, like he is.
@@Abandonsoyciety I have something called money. Get a job you can have some to.
You want 20hour labour bill or 3 50quid parts and an hour ?
Alaska passed a law requiring dealership's to pay full warranty hours foe every job
Thank you for addressing the issue ❤
I spent 10 years as a tech, left it in 22' as I could no longer feed my family with its wage. I did enjoy the challenges of the new technology, the ability to now weld, wiring and troubleshooting. Unfortunately it did not turn into the life long carreer I thought it was gonna be. Might try being an electrician in the future.
I think auto technicians are one of the few jobs where you need to have more than just a few skills. You have to be somewhat physical, solid problem solving skills, healthy psychology ect. It took me 5 years to make good money. When I became a diesel tech for fleet in my area that was the jump I needed. Now (10yrs later) I work directly for auto manufacturer servicing ev fleet and make way more money and way less physical. So I guess even in auto it’s true, being a sparky is easy and pays better.
Apprentice through army tech program...25/hr in 2022...by 2023 32 an hour and still sucked.
Pay more, take care of your people
@ 25 to 32 an hour is a huge jump. But sadly in to days economy $32hr is a struggle unless your spouse is making similar pay. I’m a little over $40hr and still live like I was making $25hr. I’ll admit I’m lucky and maybe a little smart but I own my little house that I bought back in 2017 and only cost me $60k and didn’t have a car payment until this year but it’s only a $20k car and I put 20% down. My wife makes ok money so we are doing well. but we lived cheap, borderline poor for 13 years together and we had a kid 10 years ago. Also all of this is relative where I live in the Midwest so cost of living is easer to swallow compared to most of the US
Around 2000 I worked in a shop co-op senior year of HS. I was working the front and busting tires. The mechanics found out I was going in school to become a mechanic and was one for the summers there, they said to me heart to heart don't do become a mechanic, so I went for that 2 year mechanic degree still then got a bachelor's in automotive engineering technology and have been an automotive engineer since then.
When I went to NVCC, the trades professors told us the hobbyist was keeping the programs alive. They needed 8 students to run a class and it was usually one or two hobbyists that filled that #8 slot.
Well, when manufacturers create systems with insane complexity, dont make them easy to repair, require 10's of thousands of dollars of special tools, pay them shit, treat them like shit, its no wondre, i have been in the industry for nearly 30 years. If i was not running my own show i would have given up long ago. The industry is full of cutthroat fuckwits and this trade is hell.
I think imdependant repair shops are doomed. The amount of special tools required will only get higher and Im sure fast enough youll be forced to login to the cars system as certified *brand* mechanic to do any diagnostics. Pretty sure in the future you wont be able to diy brakes too as everything will have a chip. Similar as to iphones now. And when people will try to switch to older cars because of lower maintenance cost, theyll ban them alltogether and force us drive these privacy infringing pieces of garbage.
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The industry was crying about a technician shortage 20 years ago when I started my appenticship. All I saw was my hourly rate stagnate while labor times shrank, more effort from manufacturers to not pay for warrenty work completed, and more of my weekends going to the shop. How could they expect anything other than more people leaving?
Bright mechanics make huge money. Unfortunately it takes many years to reach that level. Mentors in the family helps. Also mechanics can work around the tax system that drain you in other industries.
I've done both and you make more money and the job is easier as an elctrician.
I hate doing timing belts. I will never do automotive as a job
I like timing belts but it's 5.5-6 labor hours for myself. Once I did a timing belt job for 3 labor hours dude. It was garbage. Now I will only do it for 5.5 labor.
Apprentice industrial electrician here. Its definitely not the easiest trade and difficulty to get in to. Lets just say we're used to diagnose all the other trades problems.
Im a formally trained automotive technician. Im currently an electrician. Before long, ill probably be moving back towards the automotive, because its going all electric.
I have turned wrenches for 25 years. The pay is terrible!
Keep in mind I specialize in European and exotic cars, I know what you’re thinking. It pays more than your average, but let me tell you no it doesn’t.
At one point, the girl that I was dating worked at a restaurant and made more money than I did.
Used to be an auto tech for 3 years, im going to train as a lineman now. Plus ill never have to take my vehicle to a shop except for tires.
This is very similar in the repo business We have very high costs and equipment but the finances and forwarder companies are raking in huge profits and paying pennies on the dollar to the actual repo man
Shouldn't be repoing amyones property anyways its theft
A unpaid finance agreement of a finance company property is legal the individual hasn't paid for it to be there property
Was a tech for 18 years with European license, Canadian license, and US license but moved to accounting, 3 years ago. Due to inadequate pay, insurance...
As an accountant making little bit more, working in an office...
However, helping poor to fix their cars 3 time less price then they would have to pay in a shops, just as hobby.
Do not waste your time to become a thech to work for someone 😌
Electrician is a dangerous job and it’s cold outside. Mechanics have heat and more safety and don’t dig ditches
I have been working on cars since i was thirteen, 57 now, Cars have gotten so retardadly difficult to work on and the cost of keeping up with the special tools needed will bankrupt even the best mechanics, Also why would some one kill them self when the can work at Starbucks and make $24 an hour, were is the incentive????? I still do it as a hobby and have done so for over twenty years as I switched to being an Industrial Electrician and make three times the money and not even ten percent the work or stress
too much cost to invest with low pay outcome
Im 23 my old man taught me to wrench my backs fuckeed from lifting to much when i was younger im wiser than most when it comes to repairs yet we are undervalued and yet its not worth it better off being a roofer rigger or bricklayer with a lot less hastle 😂
The migrants will take the mechanic jobs
Mgtow= men going their own way
Mgtow=mechanics going their own way.
MMGTOW= mechanic men going their own way
4B movement ain’t goona be driving nowhere that’s for sure😂
Flat Rate is how to destroy good Service Technicians.
At dealership meetings tell your bosses to tell the manufacturers to stop buying plann Obsolescence, shoddy garbage parts. We know why automobiles have so many problems because the factory heads Specked out weak parts. So they can rob their customers.
Mechanics do not offer value for their services. Big established chain auto shops or small mom and pop shops. I've used them all for simple stuff like oil changes and they still manage to screw it up. Doesn't matter if you pay them more or you pay them less. They still manage to screw up the job somehow or rip you off another way. That's the number one reason why people end up doing their own car maintenance. Routine maintenance is simple enough to do so why are these mechanics who are supposedly trained and educated charging a fortune and still managing to do a substandard job? Honest work for honest pay is how you stay employed in the long run. It's easy to rip people off for short term profits but you'll be out of work eventually.
It's only a matter of time before these mechanics get replaced anyways. Once electric vehicle batteries get standardized there won't be much work for mechanics. The only routine maintenance for electric vehicles is brakes and tires which is easy enough to do on your own.
The problem is that shop owners force their mechanics work as fast as possible and auto manufacturers make the work itself as complex as possible. Of course they screw up.
"Working" as an investment banker is much better. There's no benefit to doing any "real" work in today's twisted society. Real work is for suckers.
real work don't pay.
Legit.
You don't start at 24hr as an electrician. Period
being the partsman is not better sadly
It is not easy to become an electrician. Where is this guy coming up with this stuff.
much easier and cheaper than mechanic
@king49334 don't know where from but here in Michigan we have to have almost 4 years of schooling, about 6500 hours of on the job work, and that's just to qualify to take the state test. But then again my apprenticeship is for industrial electricians which is much more complex than residential.
@@Turshinthe people in this video are from Canada. It's a LOT easier to become a mechanic in the US than Canada.
@lb9gta307 oh ok.
We understand the mechanics want more money. But where's that money going to come from ??
These cars always have problems.
The working class people don't have that kind of money to pay for Redundant rigged parts. The automobiles today you don't fix. You are just glorified part changers.
The parts are expensive and cheap.
Not to worry. Much like horse traders and blacksmiths at the beginning of the 20th century, these people won't be needed in the near future as internal combustion engines are fast becoming obsolete due to the amazing adoption of battery electric cars and trucks.
Same happened to TV repair shops. But Cars, including EVs, are still too expensive to be sold as disposable like a television.
@@ArnoldFreeman-n9g Why would you dispose of a vehicle capable of driving half a million miles?
Lol EVs can never replace gas cars, spoken like a true woman who knows nothing about mechanical functions.
@@Abandonsoyciety I know what the best selling car on the planet is. Tesla model Y. You don't have to be a rocket engineer to see the writing on the wall, genius.
@@kathyfausett9301correlation does not imply causation. Doesnt even take a fast food worker to figure that out.