LIV finally did it for me and many of my friends; I haven’t watched any golf since the last major and don’t plan on watching anything but the majors in the future.
Jack was one of the founders of the breakaway PGA Tour because the group thought that the players on the TV were worth more than PGA members. Nothing changes really 😢
Exactly, do as I say not as I do. Personally I don't care about any of it but the PGA Tour pretty much crapped on all the PGA members when they broke away and why did they do it. Money for the few.
My main issue with LIV is the source of the money. I’ve heard that LIV has 700 billion dollars at its disposal. And Saudi Arabia supports and harbors terrorists, whether they admit it or not. All twenty of the 911 highjackers were Saudi nationals. The whole thing smells like a dead fish.
"Jack(Nicklaus) was one of the founders of the 'breakaway PGA Tour'(?)..." What does this mean exactly? I'm sorry, but I don't even know what you are trying to say here. Please explain...
@@billyh4068 Maybe he means that Jack and his mafia have been in charge for to long making the money. Now someone else is doing the same with much bigger money involved? Tiger and Rory were trying to do the same but this has hopefully put a stop to them 😔😭👍👍👍
.... it's a shame but that is what all pro sports have come to. It's also a shame that the big $$$$ is influencing the outcome of games as well. Greed has always been more important than any game.
@bigboots6114 yeah, I see what you're saying. In 1968. Yet now the PGA is crying over the LIV tour. Arnie also got more prize money for tournaments. Then, when Tiger came along, prize money skyrocketed. But know they're mad at LIV for the same thing.
The old fools on the PGA are just mad they can't pay the player peanuts anymore while they sit pretty doing nothing making money off the backs of the players. Their Monopoly days are over.
PGA Tour screwing its players for decades and treating the caddies like worm dirt. Players got an offer for potentially greener pastures and left. Jay Monahan has been a total disaster and did not help any,
This is very simple the players that are most vocal about Liv are the players that have established legacy's in the PGA and don't want another league watering down there accomplishments. I understand their concern but nothing last 4ever.
The PGA doesn't like that they are no longer the only game in town. They known they had better reach way back into the dusty part of the money drawer if they are going to stay relevant.
Far too many people complaining on here have no idea that the PGA was established by the players themselves. The PGA does NOT own the tour. The members (players) control the tour through their organization that they named the PGA tour. The PGA is the players representative organization and NOT the owner of pro golf. Stop complaining about the situation if you have no idea how things work.
LMFAO, since the players own the PGA, then how come the PGA is making them make a choice? Plus the PGA claims it's Non-profit. Right. Like you said the players started it, yet they're controlled by the Commissioner of the PGA or else. It's all Political BULLSHIT now.
@@demsareunamerican6800 Ever been on a condo board? It’s like that. The board is made up of owners but that doesn’t mean that everyone is happy about every decision. There is constant bitching. The PGA tour was set up as a non profit BY THE PLAYERS. There is no corporate ownership. Corporations sponsor events and the Tour runs those events. Everyone who works for the tour is on salary including the commissioner and these people DO NOT OWN THE TOUR. This basic lack of understanding is why so many fools come on here talking crap about things they know nothing about. The Tour has never ever screwed the players over. After expenses and charity the Players get all the revenue. There are no owners taking any profit whatsoever. If you think there are then name these owners. You can’t because they don’t exist. And LIV is a government entity that is making these ridiculous payments from oil revenue. If they were an actual competitor that had to pay players from golf revenue they would have gone bankrupt immediately. They will probably be paying off employees of the Tour like Monahan and board members to get what they want, but those deals have not been disclosed yet as far as I know.
I absolutely understand "how things work" - just like our government is run by the people right? "People have started many great things and the corrupt, power hungry, greedy elements of the population always end up building a castle for themselves and screw everyone else. Their called "commissioners" among other nefarious titles like: politicians, presidents, leaders, spokesman.... etc
It's ok for Rory (and the others) to leave the European Tour for the PGA Tour. But it's NOT ok for the players to leave the PGA Tour for the LIV Tour. Explain that one. All the PGA Tour players left a prior tour to move to the PGA Tour and no one complained about that.
Rory hasn't left the European Tour. He's a member of both tours. That goes for Colin Montgomerie as well as others (Nick Faldo, Seve Ballesteros just to name a couple more) who were members of both tours at the same time, like Rory.
@@captaincarl8230Which tour is Rory's priority and where does he play the most??? Jon Rahm and others would like to be members of both tours but the PGA says nooooooo. So how can it be the player's fault?
@@steveking8548 He played in 10 events during 2022 on the European Tour and 16 during the 2021-22 wrap around PGA Tour schedule. I guess that it would depend on the week-to-week schedule. Also, the four majors are official events on both tours. All I stated in the previous post was that Rory, as well as other past and present, play on both European Tour & PGA Tours. I did not, however, say anything about anything else.
LIV is hardly a Tour. Not even the same games. No cut, play hungover in your shorts like all of us duffers on a Saturday afternoon in a Texas scramble. The format is complete garbage and minor league. You do you but for me all those guys on, or going to LIV, are completely irrelevant to me now. The PGA Tour is ruined now regardless who caused it and the alternative now is watching 2nd stringers on Tour or guys not playing for anything meaningful other than their own bragging rights, or some fake trophy, they already got the prize money. It’s just my opinion tho, all you LIV Lovers you do you
Because this is golf. Golf is a small niche sport with a small fan base, which isn’t large enough to support 2 organizations here in the US. Look at how popular the NFL is, but football has always struggled to maintain a second league ie the USFL! Just look at the current viewership numbers. The PGA take the 2 tour championships. LIV averaged 300,000 viewers where PGA Tour championship average close to 5 million. The PIF isn’t going to keep LIV going forever with that kind of loss. Plus traditional golf fans, those 5 million, HATE the golfers that have left and have turned their backs on them hence the poor ratings! I’ll be honest with you it’s hard to find and the broadcast is pretty poor. They haven’t invest in their broadcast enough and marketed enough to lure any of those 5 million fans. Those people are too loyal, most being local PGA members, to switch!
Has the saudi connection been solved? I mean are liv saudis same who paid for 9/11 , or are they being unfairly lumped into the terrorist funding saudis ? Ive not heard a definitive confirmation one way or another .just hear it saudis sportswashing aways the blood on their hands in the beginning.but at this point i still dont see if this is 100% confirmed as an idiot consumer of golf myself… like are all saudis no matter what part of terror funding and this is known fact i just am not aware of ? Im honestly asking ….or is it just a very suspicious assumption because of all the money , like its gotta be all connected but we dont know it for sure like scientifically (for lack of better wording) so its a suspicion that looks likely but still not proved out …? Cause for me , i have mo problem with another golf league to watch especially if its a completely seperate entitywithno crossover accept for like opens which i believe have always been open to those who pass qualifiers …..but also i will not give my time watching or supporting in anyway if its linked to terror agency in anyway directly … this is the sticking point t for me and probably lots of people …as u can tell im not following it closely lol
Monahan associated a new golf tour with Saudi terrorist bombings. That was wrong. He then questioned the morals of golfers who joined 54(L1V). He never mentioned DJ winning twice in Saudi or Graeme MacD also winning there. Oh, what about ARAMCO sponsoring the ladies European tour! Hipocrate.
I wanted to write a comment but I decided to read through the comment section first. I’ve decided against commenting. But I do commend all of those that did express their own viewpoint on this video, it’s subject or the viewpoints of other commentators. Thank you all and I hope you will all continue to enjoy a rousing conversation of agreement and/or disagreement. It brought me much joy.
Be loyal to the pga tour or to your family? The PGA isnt loyal to the players you have to qualify every year. What if your like Ben Hogan and get into a car accident? They won't care.
The PGA tour was founded by the players and is controlled by the players. It’s not a separate company that calls the shots and has NO owners. Try learning how things work before complaining about it.
@polarbear4612 I am not complaining the players are. The fans and especially commentators are. I couldn't care less about these overpayed people who provide zero good to society. I hope it falls apart to be honest. Golfers are billionaires now? Give me a break
@@Sambone702Yes it is and the board are not owners. The PGA tour was formed by and for the players. Name one Owner of the PGA tour. Hint: there isn’t one.
@@Sambone702 The PGA tour raised more money for charity than the NHL, NFL And MLB combined. They did that because that’s what the players who founded the PGA tour wanted. LIV has changed that because they are a government entity with bottomless pockets. They don’t make any money from golf, it’s ALL oil revenue.
The PGA don’t like the fact they have been beaten. That stuffy upper crust elitism is the problem and it’s reeling. Secondly the Americans hate being challenged. Good on you Greg. 3 of the 4 grand slams are in the US. that’s about to change. It’s like when they call it the World Series in baseball. It’s only in the US. The world doesn’t revolve around the US. The PGA is on borrowed time unless they compete at the same level.
I’ve been a golfer for 45 years and find myself confused. I play with 16+ guys at least once a week. We all have mixed emotions about LIV. Aside from none of us knowing the details of the split, we find ourselves enjoying the game with more fun in mind. There seems to be a kind of laid back attitude that the game needs. For the longest time the popularity of golf was waning. No one likes change, but after the drama settles and people begin to see things differently, LIV is just a lot of fun.
There're hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of golfers around the world who don't see any difference in the game of golf. So stop talking about anybody ruining the game of golf. I still play 18 holes and some people still wear shorts, and we ride golf carts into the fairways, whenever allowed. No changes.
Someone should ask Jack if the PGA would've made all the changes they've made if LIV didn't exist. He had no problem playing in South Africa during apartheid but now he criticises LIV 🤯
The PGA is learning that tradition is not progress. The PGA game has not evolved. It's still the same old 72 hole proper tournament style golf from the olden days. Todays audience and players want something new. You can do so much more with golf clubs and golf balls. Look at the popularity of places like TopGolf that have leagues. Still golf clubs and balls but a very different game.
Top Golf? Seriously? That is NOT golf, at least not in the traditional sense. It's Friday night bowling 🎳 with disco lights and a club and a smaller ball. I'll NEVER watch a LIV event because it looks quite g@y to me with all of this team crap. LIV is NOT representative of traditional golf. The 70s and 80s were real golf ⛳️ where making a cut mattered, and money had to be made the old fashioned way. You truly earned it. Thanks
Wow ! It’s the players “defected” not “the players deflected” . And if they want to play for Hamas … let ‘em. Like Duhstin Johnson said .. I don’t care what they think( to people against LIV) FYI Johnson I don’t need a pro golfer in my life. I need a doctor, plumber, electrician, grocery workers, etc.. not some pampered guy who can hit a ball. Sayonara pro boys …
Continuing: silver spoon types with an 1800s and early 1900s mentality. They refused to up date the game and hide large sums of money from the players. Gregg Norman tried to work within the PGA to improve the game and make it a true world wide sport which would promote golf world wide. They pretended to hold a meeting to openly discuss his proposal but orchestrated a a few influential golfers to kill the proposal. Then a couple of years later implemented a watered down version of his propsal. They did not want Gregg Norman to have anything to do with the implementation of improvements. He was not blue blood enough to be a member of their diets group. And he was not even an American. LIV is a great improvement to golf and will only get better.
You are spot on: The PGA is an elite group of boring, OLD TIME GOLF turds who refused to improve the game for the 2/3's of the tour card, non-big name - sponsor attracting ($$$$). they took way too long to make badly needed rules changes and made pay-out changes only because of the LIV tour. There are still some ridiculous rules that need to go and others better enforced. The PGA also kept the game in the "don't do anything out of the ordinary" mentality. Every once in while an interesting, out of the box (you can't play like that) player would turn up and they were forced to give in to their greed and let them play because they were such popular, money making machines. I could go on but I think most golfers get the point.
It will take a long time before anything they do will be considered legendary other than the money. The big problem is their names will not go alongside traditional tournaments and titles. I used to watch players that loved the game play it professionally and earn enough to continue on the tour. They never had private jets or even flew first class, but they played in the money and didn’t win tournaments. To me, these guys were winners because they pursued their passion. Then we had the senior tour and a lot of those guys that hung in there ended up doing really well for themselves on the senior tour. That takes a lot of perseverance!
Wait a second, aren’t these athletes all in it like in most other professional sports, for the money? How do the incomes of these people compare to others throughout society?
Yep, it's about the money, not the game they're good at. If it was about the integrity of the game, the players would be like Bobby Jones. No payday. Just winning a tournament..
Times and the world has changed. Big time. If you could “earn” money that guarantees your future, your children and families future, and your grandchildren and great grandchildren, wouldn’t you? Those who “worked” their way within the game, to get to income which the “stars “ make, or even just a better fraction of what the stars make, it is unreasonable and irrational the comments Tiger, Rory and others have made.
Who determines what “satisfactory “ income is for anyone? Nicklaus made $100s and hundreds of millions off the activities outside of the actual playing of golf.
Sorry Jack, you were part of the tour who shot Greg down when he wanted to setup a real world golf tour. Now that it’s happening with LIV, and the players are getting the real rewards,his complaining. Funny how the PGA tour is only concerned about golf in the US. The PGA have no issues getting in bed with the money also from the Middle East. So hypocritical !!!
America wants to be in charge of everything and it's all gradually falling apart, put Trump back in the White House and it will get back to normal American Chaos 😢😢😂😅😅🎉🎉🎉
Jack in his prime took 6 hours to play 18 holes. That harmed the more than anyone will say. He took sponsors big money once it became available. He took appearance money.
Look, the PGA and LIV are both great golf organizations, but again, if someone is going to pay you $60 million to play golf for one year, you’re not going to say no. A lot of the players who don’t win on the PGA or who don’t make cuts, it’s a blessing, cause they still get to play golf but also make an income for themselves and their family.
Times change, things change. I wish my carrer had a LIV so I could of worked less for a lot more money. I have been to a few LIV events and really enjoyed them. I brought my family to two of them now because I can afford to. The PGA needs to frow with the times or they will be left behind.
Do people know the difference between the tour and the PGA of America? Based on the comments referencing the "PGA", it's hard to tell. Sick of the whining about LIV. They now three of the top five players in the world and they will get more.
The PGA has been a monopoly for decades and typically only catered to the top golfers. The LIV or some other entity was destined to come along and challenge the status quo.
Wrong. The PGA tour was set up as a non profit BY THE PLAYERS. The “PGA” does not own the tour, they merely do all the organizing for the players. The players control the PGA tour.
Everybody’s forgetting grass roots golf. Young PGA professionals struggling to earn a living, tours being cancelled for lack of money & support. Don’t forget where you started from…
Liv golf with no cuts after second round - team concept - I’ve watched and not all that impressed - if 2 or 3 more high ranked players move to liv, it’s all over but the crying for pga.
I love watching LIV 76 and love that it’s two tournaments going on at once with Rahm move LIV now has most top tour players and has become a world tour not just an American one
Typical comment from an American athlete. Look at the hypocrisy... How many over paid $ athlete's in American sports in many different leagues... And all claim "World Championships" when only administered by Americans... 😂 "Pot calling the kettle black" for mine😅
It's easy to criticize the guys for going to LIV when your already worth 4 or 5 hundred million dollars. The PGS could have avoided all of this by just giving the guys the exemptions they were asking for a couple of years ago!
Monahan's stance on Saudi is the reason golfs broken. He forget to mention that DJ won twice in Saudi and that ARAMCO ( Saudi ) sponsors the ladies European tour. L1V ( 54 ) is a new tour that he says is Saudi sports washing. The Saudi's have ventured out of Oil and started investing in all sorts of new investment areas like hotels etc. Is that hotelswashing? I'm not a Saudi lover but Monahan started this and should be replaced.
The constant lashing out at LIV and the self righteousness is what is ruining golf. Actually, it isn't ruining golf, it is simply ruining the PGA Tour.
Norman had this vision of a professional golf league that would rival the PGA tour for entertainment first spoke of early 2000s . He made it happen. Its been a good golf watch. Not thrilled with the backers he chose but it is what it is.
I like the LIV format, especially the player organized teams! There is no reason players should not be allowed to cross over between the leagues! Grow up!!! Look at the other sports when a "new" league started - good for the sport! I.M.H.O.
somebody tell Jack that the PGA ruined itself by failing to grow and expand when the sport became so popular! The number of PGA tour cards vs. the number of players trying to be pro is the problem, so LIV golf solved that, no restrictions. Instead of learning from their failures, PGA threatened players and then they realized that wouldn't work, so they are trying to merge them under PGA control so they can restore their good old boys club.
You mentioned restrictions. One of the major issues at LIV is restrictions only a field of 48, no more. If new players would like to join LIV, they need to wait until some of the 48 are fired.
"You can buy what you have to earn" - and the PGA hasn't done much to earn anyone's loyalty. I'm fed up with their BS. They can't even be bothered to provide coverage for the end of tournaments anymore. They have more than enough room for ads and split screens though.
Sure, Jack was a great golfer, but he's not very smart, and he's a hypocrite. Arnie is laughing at him from the grave, "WE did exactly the same thing Jack". The Saudis have 750 billion dollars to fight with. They will win.
This has to get sorted out quick. Im personally happy for the guys that got big deals. Good for them! But, i believe LIV has to change to a 4 round format with cut. Sorry Jack, with all due respect, the PGA TOUR does not own the sport.
These days to have 30 million in the bank isnt enough, todays sports stars want " Generational Wealth" which basically means enough money so that their children, their grandchildren, their grandchildrens children, and so on, NEVER have to work or make their own life. What wonderful well rounded people they're going to be.
F*** the PGA, LIV is the way of the future, the excitement that ended up with the team playoff in Adelaide is a perfect example. Best golf I have watched in years
Jack is exactly correct. Pro Golf is ruined and will never be the same again. Unfortunately, it is the American obsession with money in sport that has driven most sports to becoming businesses, no longer sport.
American obsession with money in sport? Nobody else is obsessed with money in sport? Seems to be a fair number of Australian, European, and others jumping to grab their cash. Or are they playing their sports for the fun of it, only?
Nicklaus, or any other PGA TOUR advocate, supporter, or loyalist has no right to criticize LIV players in any way. All professional golfers play for MONEY! Almost any professional in any career would take higher pay for the same work. Jon Rahm accepted 600m to play golf for LIV. Anyone who would reject that deal is a tremendous fool. Also, pro golfers are independent agents. They should be able to play golf when and where they want to without any negative criticism from Nicklaus, Woods, Mcilroy, or anyone else. This is all about money, and pro golfers will go where the most money is. I'm sure more PGAT stars will go to LIV soon. The money is too good to turn down. If the Saudis want to put billions of dollars into golf, that isn't buying the game, that's expanding the game. The truth is, the PGAT wants to keep on monopolizing and controlling pro golf for selfish reasons. That won't happen any longer. LOL
An attitude like that reflects the worst in professional golf. The game exists because pros historically played because they loved the game, without the rampant greed fuelled by a society like Saudi Arabia. Anyone who really thinks LIV is good for golf is naive as well as ignorant. Criticizing the opinion of Jack Nicklaus can only be done by die hard fools.
It’s nice to see some big names from the past like Michelson, Poulter, Westwood, Kaymer, Ouisthousen, Johnson, Stenson, etc. Although I’ve never seen a LIV tournament and am not how I would. I also wonder how these guys would rank on the main US and European tournaments? Are they in the same league? It would be great to see and that’s why keeping the game and The opens open matters.
Are you serious? Dechambeau, DJ, Cam Smith, Rahm, Koepka, Gooch, Garcia, Lahiri, Niemann are all top players. I'm not sure there are many PGA players that could compete against these guys.
I tuned in to hear what Jack had to say not what someone says Jack had to say!! How about actually hearing Jack and not somebody translating what Jack may have said?
The PGA is a money orientated corporation who bled the players for decades. Now no longer the upper echelon of golf it is has been reduced to an organization whose legacies are just memories. Jack made his money and lits of it.
Jack's upset because the liv tour player's aren't worried about chasing his greatness anymore. He's been marginalized by Saudi money. LIV golf is a better product imo. I still watch the majors but the team format keeps me more engaged.
And we should listen to a 90 year old that is so far out of touch with current events and technology in general. I don't care what Nicklaus thinks, he is the past unwilling to evolve.
As the players keep getting more and more money, I believe less and less fans will be watching their tournaments. I will be watching the majors, the Ryder Cup and the Solheim Cup. That's it. I also believe that LIV and the PGA believe they are "the Game." They aren't. If they all went away, there would still be golf. The amateurs will still be playing it. The Tours seem to believe golf fans need them when in fact it's they who need the fans. They haven't figured it out yet.
LIV finally did it for me and many of my friends; I haven’t watched any golf since the last major and don’t plan on watching anything but the majors in the future.
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You’re missing some good golf
Jack was one of the founders of the breakaway PGA Tour because the group thought that the players on the TV were worth more than PGA members. Nothing changes really 😢
Exactly, do as I say not as I do. Personally I don't care about any of it but the PGA Tour pretty much crapped on all the PGA members when they broke away and why did they do it. Money for the few.
My main issue with LIV is the source of the money. I’ve heard that LIV has 700 billion dollars at its disposal. And Saudi Arabia supports and harbors terrorists, whether they admit it or not. All twenty of the 911 highjackers were Saudi nationals. The whole thing smells like a dead fish.
Now the wheel has turned and these Mafia of golf types dont like whats happened to their private PGA club,,,
"Jack(Nicklaus) was one of the founders of the 'breakaway PGA Tour'(?)..." What does this mean exactly? I'm sorry, but I don't even know what you are trying to say here. Please explain...
@@billyh4068 Maybe he means that Jack and his mafia have been in charge for to long making the money. Now someone else is doing the same with much bigger money involved? Tiger and Rory were trying to do the same but this has hopefully put a stop to them 😔😭👍👍👍
The big problem I have with The LIV tour is where the money is coming from.
Dirty money
Dirty money.
The whole FedEx playoffs are sponsored by blood money
You should move to Saudi Arabia. Treat women like queens.@@andysylvester2566
Hundreds of American company’s do business in and with Saudi Arabia.
Seriously, who decides what is satisfactory for any individual, their future and their family’s futures?
Interestingly in recent conversation between Mickelson and Rahm they referred to golf as 'the product', not a sport, game or tournament.
.... it's a shame but that is what all pro sports have come to. It's also a shame that the big $$$$ is influencing the outcome of games as well. Greed has always been more important than any game.
funny how jack and arnie did the same thing with the PGA of america and started the PGA
Wrong, if you knew what was going on in 1968 you would understand they have nothing in common
@@stevendufrane2699 this is the same exact thing the PGA is now going through with LIV. so you are wrong
Ummm, Jack and Arnie didn't start the PGA. The PGA started in 1916. Yet pro golf was long before 1916 in the United States.
@@demsareunamerican6800 pga of america is what started in 1916. they branch off of it to start the pga tour
@bigboots6114 yeah, I see what you're saying. In 1968. Yet now the PGA is crying over the LIV tour. Arnie also got more prize money for tournaments. Then, when Tiger came along, prize money skyrocketed. But know they're mad at LIV for the same thing.
How about Jack supporting a 91 time indicted felon just so he can get a tax break? Lost all respect for this tool.
The old fools on the PGA are just mad they can't pay the player peanuts anymore while they sit pretty doing nothing making money off the backs of the players. Their Monopoly days are over.
PGA Tour screwing its players for decades and treating the caddies like worm dirt. Players got an offer for potentially greener pastures and left. Jay Monahan has been a total disaster and did not help any,
This is very simple the players that are most vocal about Liv are the players that have established legacy's in the PGA and don't want another league watering down there accomplishments. I understand their concern but nothing last 4ever.
The PGA doesn't like that they are no longer the only game in town. They known they had better reach way back into the dusty part of the money drawer if they are going to stay relevant.
Far too many people complaining on here have no idea that the PGA was established by the players themselves.
The PGA does NOT own the tour. The members (players) control the tour through their organization that they named the PGA tour. The PGA is the players representative organization and NOT the owner of pro golf.
Stop complaining about the situation if you have no idea how things work.
LMFAO, since the players own the PGA, then how come the PGA is making them make a choice? Plus the PGA claims it's Non-profit. Right. Like you said the players started it, yet they're controlled by the Commissioner of the PGA or else. It's all Political BULLSHIT now.
@@demsareunamerican6800 Ever been on a condo board? It’s like that. The board is made up of owners but that doesn’t mean that everyone is happy about every decision. There is constant bitching.
The PGA tour was set up as a non profit BY THE PLAYERS. There is no corporate ownership. Corporations sponsor events and the Tour runs those events. Everyone who works for the tour is on salary including the commissioner and these people DO NOT OWN THE TOUR.
This basic lack of understanding is why so many fools come on here talking crap about things they know nothing about. The Tour has never ever screwed the players over. After expenses and charity the Players get all the revenue. There are no owners taking any profit whatsoever. If you think there are then name these owners. You can’t because they don’t exist.
And LIV is a government entity that is making these ridiculous payments from oil revenue. If they were an actual competitor that had to pay players from golf revenue they would have gone bankrupt immediately. They will probably be paying off employees of the Tour like Monahan and board members to get what they want, but those deals have not been disclosed yet as far as I know.
I absolutely understand "how things work" - just like our government is run by the people right? "People have started many great things and the corrupt, power hungry, greedy elements of the population always end up building a castle for themselves and screw everyone else. Their called "commissioners" among other nefarious titles like: politicians, presidents, leaders, spokesman.... etc
I don’t see where Jack “lashed out” at LIV. He understands both sides.
You do what you want with your life and I'll do what I want with my life, should be anyone's ANSWER.
It's ok for Rory (and the others) to leave the European Tour for the PGA Tour. But it's NOT ok for the players to leave the PGA Tour for the LIV Tour. Explain that one.
All the PGA Tour players left a prior tour to move to the PGA Tour and no one complained about that.
Rory hasn't left the European Tour. He's a member of both tours. That goes for Colin Montgomerie as well as others (Nick Faldo, Seve Ballesteros just to name a couple more) who were members of both tours at the same time, like Rory.
@@captaincarl8230Which tour is Rory's priority and where does he play the most??? Jon Rahm and others would like to be members of both tours but the PGA says nooooooo. So how can it be the player's fault?
@@steveking8548 He played in 10 events during 2022 on the European Tour and 16 during the 2021-22 wrap around PGA Tour schedule. I guess that it would depend on the week-to-week schedule. Also, the four majors are official events on both tours.
All I stated in the previous post was that Rory, as well as other past and present, play on both European Tour & PGA Tours.
I did not, however, say anything about anything else.
LIV is hardly a Tour. Not even the same games. No cut, play hungover in your shorts like all of us duffers on a Saturday afternoon in a Texas scramble. The format is complete garbage and minor league. You do you but for me all those guys on, or going to LIV, are completely irrelevant to me now. The PGA Tour is ruined now regardless who caused it and the alternative now is watching 2nd stringers on Tour or guys not playing for anything meaningful other than their own bragging rights, or some fake trophy, they already got the prize money. It’s just my opinion tho, all you LIV Lovers you do you
@@captaincarl8230Roy and others may still be members of DP but many headed to America for the bigger money and no one bashed them for it
Never complain, condemn, or criticize unless you’re really rich and really old 😂
Tiger was always happy to get appearance money when he was at his prime. What's the difference?
Because this is golf. Golf is a small niche sport with a small fan base, which isn’t large enough to support 2 organizations here in the US. Look at how popular the NFL is, but football has always struggled to maintain a second league ie the USFL! Just look at the current viewership numbers. The PGA take the 2 tour championships. LIV averaged 300,000 viewers where PGA Tour championship average close to 5 million. The PIF isn’t going to keep LIV going forever with that kind of loss. Plus traditional golf fans, those 5 million, HATE the golfers that have left and have turned their backs on them hence the poor ratings! I’ll be honest with you it’s hard to find and the broadcast is pretty poor. They haven’t invest in their broadcast enough and marketed enough to lure any of those 5 million fans. Those people are too loyal, most being local PGA members, to switch!
Has the saudi connection been solved? I mean are liv saudis same who paid for 9/11 , or are they being unfairly lumped into the terrorist funding saudis ? Ive not heard a definitive confirmation one way or another .just hear it saudis sportswashing aways the blood on their hands in the beginning.but at this point i still dont see if this is 100% confirmed as an idiot consumer of golf myself… like are all saudis no matter what part of terror funding and this is known fact i just am not aware of ? Im honestly asking ….or is it just a very suspicious assumption because of all the money , like its gotta be all connected but we dont know it for sure like scientifically (for lack of better wording) so its a suspicion that looks likely but still not proved out …? Cause for me , i have mo problem with another golf league to watch especially if its a completely seperate entitywithno crossover accept for like opens which i believe have always been open to those who pass qualifiers …..but also i will not give my time watching or supporting in anyway if its linked to terror agency in anyway directly … this is the sticking point t for me and probably lots of people …as u can tell im not following it closely lol
@@vicpnut1i would do some research on the insurance claim taken out be4 the twin towers fell.....cua u missing some big facts
That's it's him. He's the teflon don of golf.
@@DMKFACTOR Really? Golf is a small sport that's global. Funny how many countries have the NFL? You don't know what you're talking about.
Monahan associated a new golf tour with Saudi terrorist bombings. That was wrong. He then questioned the morals of golfers who joined 54(L1V). He never mentioned DJ winning twice in Saudi or Graeme MacD also winning there. Oh, what about ARAMCO sponsoring the ladies European tour! Hipocrate.
I wanted to write a comment but I decided to read through the comment section first. I’ve decided against commenting. But I do commend all of those that did express their own viewpoint on this video, it’s subject or the viewpoints of other commentators. Thank you all and I hope you will all continue to enjoy a rousing conversation of agreement and/or disagreement. It brought me much joy.
How did you not comment? You just did. Wow.
Making a comment about not making a comment IS a comment.
Be loyal to the pga tour or to your family? The PGA isnt loyal to the players you have to qualify every year. What if your like Ben Hogan and get into a car accident? They won't care.
The PGA tour was founded by the players and is controlled by the players. It’s not a separate company that calls the shots and has NO owners.
Try learning how things work before complaining about it.
@polarbear4612 I am not complaining the players are. The fans and especially commentators are. I couldn't care less about these overpayed people who provide zero good to society. I hope it falls apart to be honest. Golfers are billionaires now? Give me a break
@@polarbear4612 It absolutely is NOT controlled by the players. Get your facts straight. It is run by a Board of Directors NOT the players
@@Sambone702Yes it is and the board are not owners. The PGA tour was formed by and for the players.
Name one Owner of the PGA tour. Hint: there isn’t one.
@@Sambone702 The PGA tour raised more money for charity than the NHL, NFL And MLB combined.
They did that because that’s what the players who founded the PGA tour wanted.
LIV has changed that because they are a government entity with bottomless pockets.
They don’t make any money from golf, it’s ALL oil revenue.
The PGA don’t like the fact they have been beaten. That stuffy upper crust elitism is the problem and it’s reeling. Secondly the Americans hate being challenged. Good on you Greg. 3 of the 4 grand slams are in the US. that’s about to change. It’s like when they call it the World Series in baseball. It’s only in the US. The world doesn’t revolve around the US. The PGA is on borrowed time unless they compete at the same level.
No golfer owes the PGA anything. They’re all pros & can play where they please. Buying the game? Geez, shut the front door! It’s their livelihood 😱
no they can play where they please
"Buying the game??????" The PGA is pissed because they no longer own it.
Liv golf along with the WHS system has really put the knife into the game
I’ve been a golfer for 45 years and find myself confused. I play with 16+ guys at least once a week. We all have mixed emotions about LIV. Aside from none of us knowing the details of the split, we find ourselves enjoying the game with more fun in mind. There seems to be a kind of laid back attitude that the game needs. For the longest time the popularity of golf was waning. No one likes change, but after the drama settles and people begin to see things differently, LIV is just a lot of fun.
There're hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of golfers around the world who don't see any difference in the game of golf. So stop talking about anybody ruining the game of golf. I still play 18 holes and some people still wear shorts, and we ride golf carts into the fairways, whenever allowed. No changes.
Someone should ask Jack if the PGA would've made all the changes they've made if LIV didn't exist. He had no problem playing in South Africa during apartheid but now he criticises LIV 🤯
The PGA is learning that tradition is not progress. The PGA game has not evolved. It's still the same old 72 hole proper tournament style golf from the olden days. Todays audience and players want something new. You can do so much more with golf clubs and golf balls. Look at the popularity of places like TopGolf that have leagues. Still golf clubs and balls but a very different game.
Top Golf? Seriously? That is NOT golf, at least not in the traditional sense. It's Friday night bowling 🎳 with disco lights and a club and a smaller ball.
I'll NEVER watch a LIV event because it looks quite g@y to me with all of this team crap.
LIV is NOT representative of traditional golf.
The 70s and 80s were real golf ⛳️ where making a cut mattered, and money had to be made the old fashioned way. You truly earned it.
Thanks
It's golf. Even though I play a nine hole every weekend, I play simulation golf on Phigolf every day.@@quantumpotential7639
Your opinion I disagree l love watching LIV and seeing the great shots made on beautiful courses
Wow ! It’s the players “defected” not “the players deflected” . And if they want to play for Hamas … let ‘em. Like Duhstin Johnson said .. I don’t care what they think( to people against LIV) FYI Johnson I don’t need a pro golfer in my life. I need a doctor, plumber, electrician, grocery workers, etc.. not some pampered guy who can hit a ball. Sayonara pro boys …
The PGA bit off the arm that was attached to the hand that fed its greedy ass.
All I see here is nothing from Jack .. Just you guys blowing the story up .... Lashed out ? ? ? yeah right ...
Continuing: silver spoon types with an 1800s and early 1900s mentality. They refused to up date the game and hide large sums of money from the players. Gregg Norman tried to work within the PGA to improve the game and make it a true world wide sport which would promote golf world wide. They pretended to hold a meeting to openly discuss his proposal but orchestrated a a few influential golfers to kill the proposal. Then a couple of years later implemented a watered down version of his propsal. They did not want Gregg Norman to have anything to do with the implementation of improvements. He was not blue blood enough to be a member of their diets group. And he was not even an American. LIV is a great improvement to golf and will only get better.
You are spot on:
The PGA is an elite group of boring, OLD TIME GOLF turds who refused to improve the game for the 2/3's of the tour card, non-big name - sponsor attracting ($$$$). they took way too long to make badly needed rules changes and made pay-out changes only because of the LIV tour. There are still some ridiculous rules that need to go and others better enforced.
The PGA also kept the game in the "don't do anything out of the ordinary" mentality. Every once in while an interesting, out of the box (you can't play like that) player would turn up and they were forced to give in to their greed and let them play because they were such popular, money making machines.
I could go on but I think most golfers get the point.
F liv wont watch
It will take a long time before anything they do will be considered legendary other than the money. The big problem is their names will not go alongside traditional tournaments and titles. I used to watch players that loved the game play it professionally and earn enough to continue on the tour. They never had private jets or even flew first class, but they played in the money and didn’t win tournaments. To me, these guys were winners because they pursued their passion. Then we had the senior tour and a lot of those guys that hung in there ended up doing really well for themselves on the senior tour. That takes a lot of perseverance!
Wait a second, aren’t these athletes all in it like in most other professional sports, for the money? How do the incomes of these people compare to others throughout society?
Yep, it's about the money, not the game they're good at. If it was about the integrity of the game, the players would be like Bobby Jones. No payday. Just winning a tournament..
Times and the world has changed. Big time. If you could “earn” money that guarantees your future, your children and families future, and your grandchildren and great grandchildren, wouldn’t you?
Those who “worked” their way within the game, to get to income which the “stars “ make, or even just a better fraction of what the stars make, it is unreasonable and irrational the comments Tiger, Rory and others have made.
Who determines what “satisfactory “ income is for anyone? Nicklaus made $100s and hundreds of millions off the activities outside of the actual playing of golf.
@@demsareunamerican6800 Bobby Jones’s father was extremely rich and Bobby inherited his family’s wealth. How do you think he built Augusta National
Sorry Jack, you were part of the tour who shot Greg down when he wanted to setup a real world golf tour. Now that it’s happening with LIV, and the players are getting the real rewards,his complaining. Funny how the PGA tour is only concerned about golf in the US. The PGA have no issues getting in bed with the money also from the Middle East. So hypocritical !!!
America wants to be in charge of everything and it's all gradually falling apart, put Trump back in the White House and it will get back to normal American Chaos 😢😢😂😅😅🎉🎉🎉
GO LIV 👊🏼💪🏻🔥🔥🔥
Jack in his prime took 6 hours to play 18 holes. That harmed the more than anyone will say. He took sponsors big money once it became available. He took appearance money.
Look, the PGA and LIV are both great golf organizations, but again, if someone is going to pay you $60 million to play golf for one year, you’re not going to say no. A lot of the players who don’t win on the PGA or who don’t make cuts, it’s a blessing, cause they still get to play golf but also make an income for themselves and their family.
Times change, things change. I wish my carrer had a LIV so I could of worked less for a lot more money. I have been to a few LIV events and really enjoyed them. I brought my family to two of them now because I can afford to. The PGA needs to frow with the times or they will be left behind.
Instead of telling me what he said let me hear it for myself.
Do people know the difference between the tour and the PGA of America? Based on the comments referencing the "PGA", it's hard to tell. Sick of the whining about LIV. They now three of the top five players in the world and they will get more.
@ :33 is exactly right. I understand them wanting more money but what liv golf stands for and supports it's just not right
There is a medication to take care of the red drooping eyelids even if you are 84 years old. Give it a try. Hard to watch.
No... Monahan is the one screwing the game up. The little wannabe dictator gave LIV the opening it needs by screwing the players at every turn.
Excellent and congratulations on pointing out the obvious Jays the problem LIV is the fix
It's hell when you lose your monopoly.
@@lonblair1139 not to a monopoly
The PGA has been a monopoly for decades and typically only catered to the top golfers. The LIV or some other entity was destined to come along and challenge the status quo.
Wrong.
The PGA tour was set up as a non profit BY THE PLAYERS. The “PGA” does not own the tour, they merely do all the organizing for the players. The players control the PGA tour.
Wrong the PGA Tour is run by a board of Directors
@@neilpountney9414Yes NOW, but it wasn’t originally!
@@DMKFACTOR and means what in todays world exactly?
You are lying to yourself.
I don’t know if you’re not winning in the pga, and someone offers you stupid money for not winning that’s not bad
Don’t be scared about competition that’s called sanity
PGA is like the US Hegemony!
Everybody’s forgetting grass roots golf. Young PGA professionals struggling to earn a living, tours being cancelled for lack of money & support. Don’t forget where you started from…
I would say lashing out is an exaggeration.
Liv golf with no cuts after second round - team concept - I’ve watched and not all that impressed - if 2 or 3 more high ranked players move to liv, it’s all over but the crying for pga.
I love watching LIV 76 and love that it’s two tournaments going on at once with Rahm move LIV now has most top tour players and has become a world tour not just an American one
Typical comment from an American athlete. Look at the hypocrisy... How many over paid $ athlete's in American sports in many different leagues... And all claim "World Championships" when only administered by Americans... 😂
"Pot calling the kettle black" for mine😅
Does Jack prefer the golfers earn less money? PGA should pay the players what they're worth.
It's easy to criticize the guys for going to LIV when your already worth 4 or 5 hundred million dollars. The PGS could have avoided all of this by just giving the guys the exemptions they were asking for a couple of years ago!
Just another example of the fantasy world the PGA official live in.
Monahan's stance on Saudi is the reason golfs broken. He forget to mention that DJ won twice in Saudi and that ARAMCO ( Saudi ) sponsors the ladies European tour. L1V ( 54 ) is a new tour that he says is Saudi sports washing. The Saudi's have ventured out of Oil and started investing in all sorts of new investment areas like hotels etc. Is that hotelswashing? I'm not a Saudi lover but Monahan started this and should be replaced.
The constant lashing out at LIV and the self righteousness is what is ruining golf. Actually, it isn't ruining golf, it is simply ruining the PGA Tour.
Saudi Arabia loves players who don’t care about getting blood money from Saudi Arabia
Dave who watches Liv they can't get a TV deal cause no one would watch 3rds and no cut r we even trying
Norman had this vision of a professional golf league that would rival the PGA tour for entertainment first spoke of early 2000s . He made it happen. Its been a good golf watch. Not thrilled with the backers he chose but it is what it is.
I like the LIV format, especially the player organized teams! There is no reason players should not be allowed to cross over between the leagues! Grow up!!! Look at the other sports when a "new" league started - good for the sport! I.M.H.O.
somebody tell Jack that the PGA ruined itself by failing to grow and expand when the sport became so popular! The number of PGA tour cards vs. the number of players trying to be pro is the problem, so LIV golf solved that, no restrictions. Instead of learning from their failures, PGA threatened players and then they realized that wouldn't work, so they are trying to merge them under PGA control so they can restore their good old boys club.
You mentioned restrictions. One of the major issues at LIV is restrictions only a field of 48, no more. If new players would like to join LIV, they need to wait until some of the 48 are fired.
Tiger and rory don't need the money, it's all about money
"You can buy what you have to earn" - and the PGA hasn't done much to earn anyone's loyalty. I'm fed up with their BS. They can't even be bothered to provide coverage for the end of tournaments anymore. They have more than enough room for ads and split screens though.
LIV is expanding the game. More prize money and more spots to play
disagree with jack, Liv is better for the teams , pga commissioner is garbage
Well, they pay baseball players and football players, basketball players tens of millions of dollars a year. So why not golfers.
If you can't beat them, join them. And that's actually what the PGA Tour is doing - merging with LIV.
Sure, Jack was a great golfer, but he's not very smart, and he's a hypocrite. Arnie is laughing at him from the grave, "WE did exactly the same thing Jack". The Saudis have 750 billion dollars to fight with. They will win.
Its over, PGA cash cow has been opened up to other groups...LIV is exciting, PGA got complacent and now us viewers are enjoying Golf again...crazy fun
This has to get sorted out quick. Im personally happy for the guys that got big deals. Good for them! But, i believe LIV has to change to a 4 round format with cut.
Sorry Jack, with all due respect, the PGA TOUR does not own the sport.
I don’t think liv golf should not be mixed with the pga tour greed that’s it in one they was never short of a few quid anyway
The PGA Tour doesn't own golf anywhere near as much as they think they do. The sooner they realise this the better.
These days to have 30 million in the bank isnt enough, todays sports stars want " Generational Wealth" which basically means enough money so that their children, their grandchildren, their grandchildrens children, and so on, NEVER have to work or make their own life. What wonderful well rounded people they're going to be.
At the end of the day, money is just money.
F*** the PGA, LIV is the way of the future, the excitement that ended up with the team playoff in Adelaide is a perfect example. Best golf I have watched in years
They took their choice, money over history, they shouldn't be allowed to have both.
Jack is exactly correct. Pro Golf is ruined and will never be the same again. Unfortunately, it is the American obsession with money in sport that has driven most sports to becoming businesses, no longer sport.
American obsession with money in sport? Nobody else is obsessed with money in sport? Seems to be a fair number of Australian, European, and others jumping to grab their cash. Or are they playing their sports for the fun of it, only?
Nicklaus, or any other PGA TOUR advocate, supporter, or loyalist has no right to criticize LIV players in any way. All professional golfers play for MONEY! Almost any professional in any career would take higher pay for the same work. Jon Rahm accepted 600m to play golf for LIV. Anyone who would reject that deal is a tremendous fool. Also, pro golfers are independent agents. They should be able to play golf when and where they want to without any negative criticism from Nicklaus, Woods, Mcilroy, or anyone else. This is all about money, and pro golfers will go where the most money is. I'm sure more PGAT stars will go to LIV soon. The money is too good to turn down. If the Saudis want to put billions of dollars into golf, that isn't buying the game, that's expanding the game. The truth is, the PGAT wants to keep on monopolizing and controlling pro golf for selfish reasons. That won't happen any longer. LOL
Yeah Rahm only had 200 million in the bank before he joined Liv, how the hell is he supposed to manage on that .
An attitude like that reflects the worst in professional golf. The game exists because pros historically played because they loved the game, without the rampant greed fuelled by a society like Saudi Arabia. Anyone who really thinks LIV is good for golf is naive as well as ignorant. Criticizing the opinion of Jack Nicklaus can only be done by die hard fools.
As Ronald Reagan once said : “never get between the hogs and the trough”.
It’s nice to see some big names from the past like Michelson, Poulter, Westwood, Kaymer, Ouisthousen, Johnson, Stenson, etc. Although I’ve never seen a LIV tournament and am not how I would. I also wonder how these guys would rank on the main US and European tournaments? Are they in the same league? It would be great to see and that’s why keeping the game and The opens open matters.
Are you serious? Dechambeau, DJ, Cam Smith, Rahm, Koepka, Gooch, Garcia, Lahiri, Niemann are all top players. I'm not sure there are many PGA players that could compete against these guys.
LIV golfers won the last five DP tournaments
What desire do you have after getting 500 million dollars? Why go spend tons of money to watch golf that's redicilous pay
Jack is a complete hypocrite.
Jack is old school and I respect his old school opinion in a new world of golf.
Robotic narrator
I tuned in to hear what Jack had to say not what someone says Jack had to say!! How about actually hearing Jack and not somebody translating what Jack may have said?
The PGA is a money orientated corporation who bled the players for decades. Now no longer the upper echelon of golf it is has been reduced to an organization whose legacies are just memories. Jack made his money and lits of it.
Wrong. The PGA is a non profit established by the players. It’s not a corporation.
Yeah. Right.@@polarbear4612
@@polarbear4612with Jay running it it’s a hammer trying to smash any competitor
Probably the only golfer to win more majors than Woods? PROBABLY!!??
Sounds like a computer talking..
No Jack, he is not ruining the sport. He's ruining the PGATOUR, which should be ruined.
According to Jack, it's only OK if the US is running things. If someone else with more money comes in, well that's not OK.
Jack's upset because the liv tour player's aren't worried about chasing his greatness anymore. He's been marginalized by Saudi money. LIV golf is a better product imo. I still watch the majors but the team format keeps me more engaged.
PGAT destroyed all the other tours now they object to someone else fighting back?
LIV is much fun
Wellcome to XXI century
Since when are monopolies good for anyone other than the monopoly?
And we should listen to a 90 year old that is so far out of touch with current events and technology in general. I don't care what Nicklaus thinks, he is the past unwilling to evolve.
Did anyone ever really Greg Norman anyway. Big ego and it's all about him.
LIV golf has really changed watching golf on TV and not for the better. I don’t watch either anymore. Very sad IMO.
Bless him slightly hypocritical I’m thinking!
More like some idiot talking forever than jack lashing out
Can't blame the players for taking the huge sums, but it's not sustainable or good for the game long term.
As the players keep getting more and more money, I believe less and less fans will be watching their tournaments. I will be watching the majors, the Ryder Cup and the Solheim Cup. That's it. I also believe that LIV and the PGA believe they are "the Game." They aren't. If they all went away, there would still be golf. The amateurs will still be playing it. The Tours seem to believe golf fans need them when in fact it's they who need the fans. They haven't figured it out yet.
Never watched LIV, never will. Always root against LIV golfers in majors. FU Phil, you made your career irrelevant.
Dont really care what jack says