WRONG GRAPHICS! | WC3 | Grubby
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2022
- Whether it's an honest mistake, or my subconscious playing tricks on me after discussing Reforged so much lately, I end up choosing the wrong graphics in this game! How will it affect me? Let's find out!
WRONG GRAPHICS! (Game played on 20-June-2022)
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It’s so hard to understand what’s going on with these graphics. Like everything is green with flashlights all around the place
I just noticed, in reforged the portraits are way less animated when they speak. In the original, they bob and move their head all over the place when they speak which I always thought was cool lol
The most ultimate hardest painful shocking thing on Reforged for Germany was deleting the old original audio voice synchronization.
The German version now sounds completely soulless and its not because of the Footmen now sound like Gen Greymane (German) but more importantly, all the campaign dialogue has been changed as well.
Original sequence: Epic Arthas speech setting an ultimatum at the gates of Stratholme with heavy emotions in his speech.
New sequence: Ordinary Arthas sentences without any emotion or building motivational tones in his speech as well as no clean gab between lines as they are clutched one after another mostly overlapping so that two sentences are spoken at the same time. + of course the completely changed voice actor making the characters feel like complete strangers. Already asked a support about it back when it got released and he said all the old files got deleted. This was the most horrifying thing for me in this game. I made custom campaign maps with epic momentum and intense sequences using these very audio files and now they all sound completely different both in sound and meaning in general. Utterly disgusting.
Same with the new Russian version, the 2002-2003 Russian version was absolutely epic dialogues and gave the characters life, new voice over is garbage, from what I know its because the local Blizzard office are trying to make the dialogues identical to the original English sounding ones is the issue.
There is a community mod to replace the sound files. It works really good atleast in meele. havent tried it in campaign.
missing the original german voices aswell :C
cant we just swap audio files xD isnt smth on HIVE or so, never checked :o
Same in Spanish. All messed up. Some unit answers clips are even unfinished and unedited, there is mic noise coming in and out in voicelines, even in the AM lol. So you are basically forzed to hearing broken audio clips 100% of your human games. Plus i bet the same actor did all the units, you cant tell a footman/sb/priest appart.
Also one thing ive noticed is that if one wants to watch Reforged they either need 108060FPS to even be remotely digestable or its a bust. this is not the case with classic graphics nor RTS games more focused around RTS visuals.
Reforged graphics have no soul.
"Make a Grunt out of this concept art, and make it look good moving" It's probably as far as the art direction went for this project.
Brian Sousa was a clueless hack who had no respect for og art or artists nor understood why Wc3 was styled as it was by Samwise Didier.
For sure the game wouldn't have become that famous with those graphics.
Watching this, I was hoping for the game to end as quickly as possible.
I really wish Blizzard can improve the playability. There was so much hype and expectations with Reforged. It’s a shame it is kept half baked.
You mean "rare"
@@dodekaedius More like blue
My eyes are bleeding.. I think I recognised 50% of the units
I cant believe they took a master piece and treated it this poorly. Its like taking the Mona Lisa and letting a 5 year old do the restoration art
The fact that Reforged doesn't have a proper Classic UI art so there is a difference between the art of the game to respect both audiences is exceptional levels of failure. its literally a SKIN i can create art pieces for it with photoshop.
OH those were undead ghouls, I thought those were scarabs from anubarak.
With Reforged you not ONLY get a Visual Upgrade BUT a Audio downgrade ... Balance has been restored! :D
After the video ended I could feel how much the graphics strained my eyes... I can't imagine myself playing more than 15min of that
I LOVE the new graphics!! i never clicked one of ur vids so fast. u should really do it more often, although i know you hate them.
These guys in chat made my day.... "what game is this ? " "Warcraft 3.5 -1" and Warcraft Immortal were the best ones ! rofl
The guy who said Warcraft Immortal 👁️👄👁️
Why does sh look like a melee blade wielding dude, while his portrait looks like a mandalorian, while actually being a ranged scruffy voodoo dude?
6:07 Surely you also noticed that he has Bloodlust...
Did he say "Only have a 3080?" Jesus christ, I play on a 1060 ;-;
the avatars of the units in the UI are just hideous, did they ever look at them while beta testing? OG WC3 is better looking even after 18 years
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@@FollowGrubby I was watching you when you were playing WC3 in 2012 I think... it was amazing! Keep up with amazing work man you got my support!
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I actually like the graphics but only from the art style perspective.
Wish they would improve the god damn performance and maybe start using the UI from the announcement trailer.
I also love the art style of the graphics but, yeah, everything else you said.
Please... Tell me, you're kidding.
@@nhatmnguyen yes totally agree, thats why i said from art style perspective.
So nothing good then? lmao
hi grubby! i know u dont enjoy the reforged graphics as much, but i love watching games them. IMO they are very pretty. do you think you could put out some more games like this every once and awhile?
The only real beef I have with reforged graphics is the skeletons. They just blend in with the terrain.
I love Grubby sarcasms lol
I like the idea and approach of what Reforged was intended to be except that it never got to finish up properly. I thought reforged was unstable on multiplayer and unplayable but it looks decent.
Its unplayable in competitive. Too chaotic.
Only good side to reforged graphics is hearing Grubby roast them. Thanks for being the community’s voice. Can you tell Blizzard to make spirit wolves even smaller? They take up way too much screen space
Pretty sure the the 1% lows or the 0,1% lows are probably somewhere in the 30's.
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Not only they ruined the graphics but also added unnecessary death voice variations to further mess up the game.
The terrain looks great, but it's just so colourful that the muted units blend in with the terrain which pops more.
The undead buildings also look so bad, it's like the angles are all off and they hurriedly made all the models forgetting the camera angle of the game. Check out Blizzard on the Archmage for a similar thing.
It feels like Reforged was made with the cinematics they promised in mind but with little regard for people actually playing it.
This is because unlike the traditional way Blizzard used to make their models even for HD things that aren't Reforged, they included plenty of a models textures and shine and shadow as handpainted parts of the texture that didn't have to rely on the lightning engine which makes the game feel better in terms of performance, but when the lightning engine for Reforged HD is almost 99% responsible for how all the metal shining and shadow are shown, its literally impossible to see what its shown in a still image and have the same thing remain as consistent ingame. hence the models need to be less reliant on the lightning engine running everywhere trying to react to every bit of light and reflection. and they are not so and cant be changed without a full blown model overhaul but we're past the point of that being a worth while resources spent.
The trees look so cartoony
I like watching pro playing on reforged graphics, and I think it looks better than most people say it looks, except for the terrain. The terrain looks bad. I think 75% of the confusion around recognizing units in reforged is due to the bad terrain (with some exceptions like the DK which has basically no TC). Terrain designed for classic is NOT compatibile with reforged graphics, look at that large patches of colored cyan grass. I think a set of melee maps designed for reforged terrain and models would make them a lot easier to use for melee players.
I feel like league of legends is decent example of that, as models have quite some detail and are in all the colours, but the terrain is made to be blurry and with not so bright colours, so you instantly see the contrast between units and ground, here it's like ground has similar level of detail to actual units.
the problem is reforged terrain is WAY more bright and vibrant then classic terrain, while reforged units are more muted
the end result is the two blend itno each other a LOT
classic units are bright and cartoony while the terrain is muted and "realistic" while reforged units are muted and "realistic" and the terrain is bright and cartoony
one causes the units to "pop" from the background, the other causes the units to blur into it
the contrast and lightning on this map was acutally quite good to look at
true words bro
Wholeheartedly agree friend
5:45 the furbolg trackers were always on the smaller side
Has to be said tho well played by SyDe.
That missed tome was the difference maker.
I still refuse to own the game with so many gigabytes of content that I won't be using
Weird I got the notification on my phone but I couldn't see this in my sub box on PC
The reforged headhunter death sound = Stromgmad
I actually like the reforged grafics a lot!
yea, same here
Haha this was gold!
Have you guys seen Warcraft reborn? It was such a beautiful attempt to turn the original wrc3 models to HD 😏😏
You could do a meta joke here and make thumbnail with classic WC3 models
GG!
Oh Heroes V? Nice to see some diversity on the channel
How much lower do you think your mmr would be if you had to play reforged all the time?
Absolute 0..
Nothing more.
Why is the ground covered in diarrhea?
Mr grubby why you didnt answer me that asked you whats your inventory hotkeys ?
And tell me after about how much practice you have got this control on keyboard.. ( you switch between units and structures so smooth and well )
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Thank you sir , and thats realy weird
You sir play very well and smoth , i just enjoy watching you playing this game -
How to turn off REFORGED graphic?
The only thing good from Reforged, and I mean like really good, are the icons. They all look gorgeous in my opinion. Apparently there's mods to use them in Classic
Too bad the terrain looks like it's made of clown makeup.
I really dislike the new icons. They look so cheap and generic. I just love Samwise artstyle I think its iconic and a perfect match for the warcraft universe.
Grubby didn't even try to win with this graphics.. As well as I do🤣
I will tell you the truth, I was unable to watch this and just listened to it in the background.
Can't blame this one on your wife like last time you forgot to change the settings. Waiting for your next random 1v1 game I've been enjoying those.
Is it bad that I actually do like the newer graphics?
0:20 wait, you were going to announce you were only going to play in R graphics from then on? =O
4:50 damn bro, something must really be wrong in my brain, I actually like and prefer them xDDDD
Actually these are the reforged graphics LOL
gg
lich attack looks bad, but his float moviment is cool.
Is it just me or do the mines in Reforged look like papier-mâché?
Lich with 1% health. What a shame
You made a pact with the devil
Is this even the highest resolution graphics ?
My eyes!
I hate how little their mouths move when they talk, can barely even tell
Theres is something wrong with the optimization, i get around 140-180 fps with a gtx 1080 and you are getting much lower fps... Wtf.
I love reforged graphics, but I'm a casual player =P
Did you actually advise them and then they questioned whether it was your opinion or tge community?
Fortunately I play Aoe II.
Truly painful to watch
La verdad a mi me gustan los nuevos gráficos.
x2
were the peons always left-handed?
Say what you will about the Reforged graphics. Shadow Hunter still looks much better imo.
Can u show APM ?
Damm it is so ugly to play it like that!
you know, i never really looked at the reforged graphics too much and just believed they were bad like everyone said, even though the models looked nice in screenshots, but AY EL MAO; does the game look bad in motion with the 'reforged' graphics
Blizzard look, it's very easy: Don't fix what is not broken. So please in the upcoming Diablo mobile game please don't... ... what do you mean it's already out??
Gotta love Grubby sass XD
reforge graphics made u lose hahaha
you better get a 3090 ti :)
Ten minutes that really showcase that, while the graphics don't look terrible in a vacuum (okay, sometimes the animations look very stilted, but I genuinely feel it looks alright for the most part) they were clearly designed in a vacuum. Handing competent animators and graphic designers old graphics without any alignment as to what gameplay function they still needed to serve. Of course all the Furbolgs look the same size! Why would one Furbolg be twice the size of the others? ... Unless you've actually played the game and realise how important that is to communicate at a glance that 'these are the weak ones, this is the strong one'.
my eyes are bleeding, so ugly warcraft reforged T.T
the visuals are so obscure and poorly made that they are hard to look at. I don't understand how some say they like the art style
The kid who love power rangers style does.
Yeah at the beginning of learning warcraft 3 was also misunderstandable. Or maybe our eyes used to love classic one)
Only a 3080 Kappa
i think 3080 ti is a requirement for this game lol
Don't think so.
Oh no
Anyway.
Love seeing you play with new graphics! I prefere them actually
I play reforge graphics all the time and this somehow looks different. :/
Looks better than the original, keep playing with this Grubby
Please tell me you are joking right now.
@@saimyintmyat9373 Not much we can do about these people. They never play the game themselves and do understand how bad it is in comparison to og wc3. I still.can forgive Blizzard for letting that idiot Sousa loose upon the game. What we should've gotten were War3HD models from Starcraft 2
I prefer classic graphics, but i prefer to watch new graphics from content creators.
feelsgood to be first :)
70fps on a 3080 in a 20yrs old game?! Yikes. I knew reforged graphics are a mess but jesus, that's awful.
I like Reforged graphics, sure there are a lot of unfinished models , but the ones that are finished look good
pssst
Yeah sure the graphics made you lose the game...cringe chat
hope re-reforge would be better...
Grubby's hatred for Reforged graphics will forever hold a place in my heart. When you think about it, new updated graphics is *the* thing that we paid for when we decided to buy Reforged. Sure, the promised 10 extra hours of cut scenes and cinematics would be nice, but the most important thing in a game remake by far is graphics with better contrast, pixels and definitions, since graphics are actually the *only* thing that make PC games outdated. Chess has been around for 300 years and people still love playing it. Poker is the #1 most popular game in the World, and it's almost 150 years old. No one calls these games "dated". Why? Because non-electronic games have "hardware" that is immortal...a board with pieces on them...a deck of cards. It never gets old. What makes PC games different is that the hardware that the infra-structure that they are run on, the computers and electronic graphics, are constantly evolving and gettting better, and this process happens to fast that graphics can become completely dated in less than 5 years. Of course, the old Blizzard did such a fantastic job in the original graphic that it still holds on aestehtically even today. But it's impossible for the pixels, the definition and the texture from 20 years ago to hold up to 2020's standards. Everyone that is new to the game says the same thing about WC3: that the graphics is so pretty, one of the prettiest graphics they ever saw, but at the same time "damn, it looks so old!" *All* that Blizzard had to do in this remake was to add texture to the colors of the old graphics, increase the pixelation and definition at the edges of the units and buildings, and that's it. And Blizzard failed at doing that. The Reforged graphics is vastly inferior to classic graphic in every way except for texture(which is easy, since color texture is what evolves the fastest and is the easiest aspect to improve). When it comes to unit and building shape and the aesthetics of the art, color clarity(not the same as texture) and clarity of countours, classic graphic is *so* superior to Reforged that i's embarrassing. The difference is that the original classic graphic, although very old, was hand-made by a company that, back then, was the supreme gold standard of perfectionism, and would delay their games for up to years in pursuit of perfection, while the current graphic was made by some Indonesian contractor that made the graphic as cheaply as possible and in a few months. It's like comparing a 300 year-old Stradivarius violin that was hand-crafted by the man himself to some cheap factory-made Chinese violin made today. The difference in crafstmanship is astounding.
i like your videos but honestly i dont get your bitching about the reforged graphics and sounds.
I really like them and they are a huge upgrade for WC3 (no irony btw). Most people play custom games anyway and not competitive melee maps, so they were right for asking you whether its only your opinion or the communities and you have to admit that you just speak for the melee community (and only partly).
im a mapper since like 2010 or sth and the reforged pack is a blessing to the WC3 community. The bugs arent, to be fair.
please stop the hate on reforged graphics or sounds. You may dislike them but there are many players who like it. You are not the community, man.
they are fucking terrible I dont know anyone who uses the reforged graphics tbh. Especially ppl who play the game since or shortly after launch.
@@baaaaaa2898 and i dont know anyone in person who doesnt like them.
that doesnt mean there is no other side.
can u guess why dota2 has such a huge playerbase? same game, better graphics thats why.
Grubby I watched you for years because you aren´t constantly bitter about something. Can you cut down on the sarcasm just a little bit? You know they changed the graphics to attract new players. That is not the same issue as them not maintaining the game for the current fans. They are different issues.
I'm not sure if you are get paid by Blizzard or not but this new gfx killed the competitive scene to distinguish each units in critical situations.
the game experience for current seasoned players deteriorated from WC3 classic to reforged, multiple previous functionalities still missing/not work/bugged. How is that "maintaining the game for the current fans"?
@@nhatmnguyen It´s not. Blizzard fucked the fans. But new graphics is not part of that issue. And I just hate Grubby seeming like a grumpy old man in his games. He can be that guy in his commentaries.
@@saimyintmyat9373 I hate how Blizzard handled reforged just like everyone else. But when I watch Grubbys games it is not to see endless bitternes. I can come to this comment section for that
A lot of negativity and sarcasm in this video. I joined because Grubby always tried to find the good things about reforged and trying to be positive around changes even if people in the community were toxic. Unsubbing, thanks guys, will miss u :)
would stop bashing the reforged graphics they're not the issue you never gave them any chances from the beginning the only issue with them is their poor optimization, like it or not these graphics are miles away better than original for custom games, for competitive games ofc they're not, you should be thankful to have the option for both, cuz on all other games the pro gamers are known to put graphics the lowest possible and disable shadows...etc. here you have a mode dedicated to competition (classic one) and a modern graphics to enjoy better campaigns customs …etc.
Go say those words to esport pro players in this game.
exactly... well said. I think the Terrain on reforged graphics is beautiful to look at, some of the buildings and units designs not so much... but aesthetically is fine to look at, especially the night elf /woodland type terrain with the vibrant purple and teal colours on the grass and the fine details on the land etc. Just some (alot) of the units were ruined and looked better in the original warcraft 3 art style.
@@saimyintmyat9373 Both you and the og commentator is wrong because you see the wc3 community as a black and white difference between esports and campaigns. thats not the reality of this game.
I did give them chances. I needed them to succeed more than anyone, as I am the #1 WC3 content creator. I just lost too much on them because they are objectively terrible for gameplay.
@@StormKnight1 who care about campaigns in competitive scene ?
Hi grubby ! Is possible to show the video « frokxx paladino » for show the new meta humans? Vs undead