Heir's Faction Focus : Seleucids

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
  • Today we look at the Seleucids, enjoy!

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  • @Wasteland_Pilgrim
    @Wasteland_Pilgrim 10 лет назад +184

    I respect heir because he actually post his defeats

    • @animation1697
      @animation1697 8 лет назад +2

      +ImperialPepper Mint Alot of people do :/

    • @thaneofwhiterun3562
      @thaneofwhiterun3562 5 лет назад +15

      @@animation1697 And a lot don't , we should always reward honesty no matter how common it is

    • @mahmoudfathy2074
      @mahmoudfathy2074 4 года назад

      It seems that Egypt's really strong though

  • @HowitzerBug
    @HowitzerBug 10 лет назад +11

    That was a great battle to watch! Lots of jostling for position, tactics & counter tactics. Very entertaining! :)

  • @shoutingship6457
    @shoutingship6457 10 лет назад +75

    For once, Heir faced an opponent in possession of multiple brain cells.

    • @TheCassual
      @TheCassual 10 лет назад +4

      If you're implying that in most of his replays his opponents are in possession of no brain cells (or only a single brain cell), you're right. This guy knew what he was doing.

  • @wkvalader
    @wkvalader 10 лет назад +26

    I am not a Rome 2 player, I don't have a decent enough PC to play it. However, I am amazed at all the comments hating on pike formations. Everyone calls them noob boxes as if it is a terrible thing to do and not in the spirit of the game. I don't see how that can be. Standing on a hill, or right at the red line, sure. That is not sportsman like. But playing your units well and focusing on a strong pike line. That is what the period called for.
    If you don't want your enemy to do that, out skirmish him and outflank him. Seems like a legit strategy that is not counter to the spirit of the game.

    • @RG-hx8uc
      @RG-hx8uc 6 лет назад

      wkvalader You do know. Outflanking requires you to get behind enemy line. The existence of red line and initial deployment prevent u from doing that. And for skirmish. I doubt anyone would bring that much skirmishers in a game where everyone is consider as a decent player with proper game etique until proven otherwise. Red line camping with pikemen where theirs only weakness is outflanking is kinda violating the gentlemen agreement between players. I consider this is equivalent to war crime. You can commit war crime for greater advantages but however it is inhuman to do.

    • @danisrusski6297
      @danisrusski6297 6 лет назад

      Its just not "very" hard to pull off, and is a noob tactic. Youd dont see it in tournaments because meele infantry spam and javelins do an number on inflexible pikes. But they are very powerful if you have many and your opponent does not have the right tools to deal with it - which can be an easy win.

  • @caelen7191
    @caelen7191 10 лет назад +46

    I like the seleucid empire they been my favorite faction

  • @XXGDUBSXX
    @XXGDUBSXX 10 лет назад +6

    Favorite Faction Such an awesome selection of Troops.

  • @MercenaryJedi
    @MercenaryJedi 5 лет назад +5

    I didn't start playing Rome II multiplayer until the Emperor Edition. For a while, I've been trying to figure out why elephants seem so absurdly powerful compared with the replays that you and Maximus played. I finally noticed the massive (and ridiculous) boost to health that CA gave elephants. Now I know why it seems to take 4 skirmishers to kill these irritants.

  • @BSChristoffersen
    @BSChristoffersen 10 лет назад +39

    We need to see that elephant army in use :D

    • @901kingful
      @901kingful 10 лет назад +21

      Actually we have, I think in one of Heir's Iberian faction focuses his opponent brought a Seleucid 6 Elephant troll army against Heir's all sword and slinger army. It was hilarious.

  • @Hermestrismegiston
    @Hermestrismegiston 10 лет назад +2

    Very interesting battle, classical succesor kingoms pairing with two strong army setups and and oh so much skirmishing... Well played from both sides.

  • @PlainDoll
    @PlainDoll 3 месяца назад

    This was an amazing battle one of the best in faction focus videos

  • @unemployedautist5054
    @unemployedautist5054 10 лет назад +1

    Hey Heir. I just wanted to say that it must be a pleasure to work with you. Great video as always. Have a fantastic day.

  • @Strype13
    @Strype13 4 года назад +3

    Wow. That was a great battle. It's not often we get to see you go to war with people who share a very similar skill level.

  • @magemaatikko
    @magemaatikko 10 лет назад +1

    I have waited your new video so long, is everything all right I hope? I love your vids,keep them coming please. Cheers ^^!!

  • @Souleman561
    @Souleman561 6 лет назад +3

    and the moment HoC said " lets see how or if i deal with my ... i knew it was battle lost replay, plus eminently at the start of the replay, the terrain does not favor the Seleucid tactical doctrine per say
    and with elephants, you do not want the elephants to stop and engage a single unit, they are at their best like chariots when continuously moving thru enemy formations since they get kills that way, not from fighting a prolong engagement in 1v1, you needed to keep the elephants moving once they hit the enemy line, click the movement button over enemy formation once you have charged to keep the elephants moving or they get bogged down and get less kills and then killed themselves , the reason why when they run a mock in your formation it is so deadly is because they keep moving thru the formation and are not stopping, thus you need this to happen when using them offensively just like repeating charges with cav but running thru the entire enemy flank of their front line that's engaged with your infantry front line, and depending on the quality of infantry you have is the timer of how long you have to use your elephants to make enough of a difference in the infantry battle before its too late

    • @Souleman561
      @Souleman561 6 лет назад

      think about it this way, if the elephants are not movng their kinetic energy is zero theoretically, but when the elephants are in motion their size and weight become more of an advantage than fighting in bogged down fight since in that situation their size and weight become more of a disadvantage it seems

  • @PalLadlin
    @PalLadlin 9 лет назад +26

    A tight loss is sweeter then an easy victory

    • @marcusgodioso277
      @marcusgodioso277 8 лет назад +10

      No. a victory is a victory , if u lose, u die

    • @infintittie
      @infintittie 8 лет назад +8

      +Marcus Mgodioso From a physical standpoint, sure. From an honor standpoint? It's a much bigger achievement to use strategy to almost win a hard battle, then it is to just massacre in an easy one

  • @MAKGaming30
    @MAKGaming30 4 года назад +3

    Silver shield pikemen now have 100 armour which makes them the best now as the biggest weakness is being peppered by Archers now it's not

  • @Brittonbadog
    @Brittonbadog 10 лет назад

    Rather like these focus videos. Total War battles most often just come down to unit quality, and it's quite nice have somebody sum up what each unit is good for or if they're even worth the time of using.

  • @dkc2300
    @dkc2300 10 лет назад +2

    btw heir elephants are immune to scare no scare effect can get them to rout your only hope if to run them amok and/or kill them.

  • @euanferguson3790
    @euanferguson3790 4 года назад

    Very diverse faction that has such a large select of units both cheap and expensive, great faction

  • @handeisthemande12
    @handeisthemande12 10 лет назад

    I've been looking forward to this one, thanks Heir!

  • @yazackak
    @yazackak 10 лет назад +8

    Please fight a battle with only elephants, if only for the lol factor.

  • @sargisshirinyan207
    @sargisshirinyan207 3 года назад +1

    Dude, can you please do all of these videos again cos Rome 2 is a lot different now, I'm really enjoying your videos but I would also like up-to-date stuff

  • @tominieminen66
    @tominieminen66 10 лет назад +2

    Steady on silver shield pikemen! It makes it the best. I have tested.

  • @Steve-ps6qw
    @Steve-ps6qw 4 года назад

    Damn...I wanted to play this game because I love the Seleucids and thought they might be powerful....

  • @Alex-_2001
    @Alex-_2001 5 месяцев назад

    How did you not see that engagement coming lol

  • @casual96
    @casual96 5 лет назад

    My favourite Unit in the game is sacrend band hoplite ( carthage faction ) , best hoplite in my opinion and also best lookin👌🏼😇 i do like italian swordsmen cheap and solid good unit , reminds me of hastati with armor and the throwing Spears before Charge.

  • @ironskull3955
    @ironskull3955 10 лет назад

    Badass Focus.

  • @jruth77
    @jruth77 9 лет назад +1

    Thought you said not to use Azat Knights in multiplayer

  • @HamburgJ7
    @HamburgJ7 10 лет назад +1

    Thorax Swordsman are not "not that good", they are very cost effective for a sword unit which is accesable to most hellenic factions. Chosen Swords which cost 730 are worse than thorax swords which cost 710 and have use the whip

  • @Luvit0Rh8it
    @Luvit0Rh8it 10 лет назад

    Nice vid, why didn't you try to run amok his elephants like he was doing to yours?

  • @wr4id619
    @wr4id619 10 лет назад

    Heir, shouldn't onagers or scorpions counter noob boxes?

  • @HoneyBadger1779
    @HoneyBadger1779 7 лет назад

    Silver Shields would occasionally start wining decisively against my Praetorian Guard in 1v1...was that the computer cheating or the charge bonus? I ask because Selucid had to be getting desperate as I took their territories.

  • @BATTERIESc
    @BATTERIESc 10 лет назад

    Can you try another seleucid battle heir? With the more elite units mixed in :)

  • @connorliddicott2076
    @connorliddicott2076 10 лет назад

    They really should alter the Royal Peltasts. Change and balance the stats and actually make them PELTASTS. They should be a very capable or even powerful missile/melee unit. (I know there are probably mods for this but it really should be a core thing in the game)

    • @vnversion
      @vnversion 5 лет назад

      Peltasts can be infantry too, not just ranged units

  • @animation1697
    @animation1697 8 лет назад +4

    What does TGN stand for?

  • @TheDAWinz
    @TheDAWinz 10 лет назад +2

    FINALLY

  • @Tsaravitch
    @Tsaravitch 9 лет назад

    one of the Diadochi.......heirs to Alexander the Great Empire.....have to try this game.

  • @Rsyle
    @Rsyle 10 лет назад +1

    Nice

  • @brianedwards8613
    @brianedwards8613 10 лет назад

    Lol Justin definition of prince of macadon

  • @pepebeezon772
    @pepebeezon772 9 лет назад

    Seleucid dont always have the best of every class but they do have some very decent shit in every class

    • @arthurdaffos1490
      @arthurdaffos1490 7 лет назад

      I don't like Herodotus they are good at everything but they dont have some uber elits other factions have but they are versatile ...

    • @pepebeezon772
      @pepebeezon772 7 лет назад

      Arthur Daffos
      >2014
      and fuck Total war

    • @solucoesedetonadosv2
      @solucoesedetonadosv2 7 лет назад

      I don't like Herodotus Why that my nigga ? You don't like a good and old Rome II anymore ?

  • @WestUpOutlaw
    @WestUpOutlaw 10 лет назад

    I don't understand why his African War Elephants were not scared by your Indian War Elephants.

  • @RMSUkraine
    @RMSUkraine 10 лет назад

    great vid

  • @alexsitaras6508
    @alexsitaras6508 10 лет назад

    what was that unit that patchy didnt use that was left in the forest

    • @Hermestrismegiston
      @Hermestrismegiston 10 лет назад

      It's a levy pikemen unit (I think the one that was threatened to be outflanked by the elephants earlier). You can see it run away at around 23:15, but it seems that they reassembled and he didn't notice.

  • @akincomer
    @akincomer 10 лет назад

    I disagree about your running amok point. If you run them amok near your line, at least the opponent cant spam click trample through your men anymore.

  • @leonholterhus685
    @leonholterhus685 10 лет назад

    no they are not the strongest pike unit i made some testing and the strongst pikeman are foot companions and after them the silver shields and after the hellenic royal guard :D

  • @pijef
    @pijef 10 лет назад +10

    its pronounced SOL-LUK-IDS

    • @frappe2048
      @frappe2048 5 лет назад

      the Greek pronunciation is such but the Latin is with the 's' sound sol-lus-ids so you can use both

    • @JDC77
      @JDC77 5 лет назад

      SOLE-YU-SEED

    • @thaneofwhiterun3562
      @thaneofwhiterun3562 5 лет назад +2

      @@frappe2048 I dissagree , in latin the c was pronounced as a K always , so it's Seleukid or Sel-ehu-kid , In my opinion , spanish is closer to latin than italian when it comes to pronuniacion , when you try to Say anything in latin , use spanish phonology , but pronounce the S as the S in sell

  • @jamreal18
    @jamreal18 10 лет назад

    Just wanna ask, Do you notice that arrows on bodies disappear after several seconds only?

  • @puppy3908
    @puppy3908 10 лет назад +1

    do baktira campaign

  • @thaneofwhiterun3562
    @thaneofwhiterun3562 5 лет назад

    I spent half the video not knowing who was who , I was thinking "why would he charge into a phalanx and be happy about it?" And then I realized

  • @Russianjukebox57
    @Russianjukebox57 10 лет назад

    Its called civilization. Games 1-5

  • @davidquezada50
    @davidquezada50 5 лет назад +1

    Shame their cataphractoi were known to fight against Pike men
    And were made to fight Pike men.
    They sounded op
    They or any shock cav is dumb to not have melee defense it's like they were not trained for combat haha

  • @TheBikeOnTheMoon
    @TheBikeOnTheMoon 10 лет назад

    patch 12, chariots get stuck vs cav. Cav => anti-chariot lol

  • @tomkelly8525
    @tomkelly8525 10 лет назад

    years ago they tried to

  • @ryanrscp1
    @ryanrscp1 5 лет назад

    ......In you're fight you completely ignore the armor bonus which your elephants have over his which is the precise reason you use elephants in the center line for a charge using the selucids....they take much much longer to run amok than any other and when they do because of their immense armor they are much slower and thus easier to avoid with your own troops and also able to take out more of the enemy....Im just saying this whole youtube channel and video is seemingly based off of use of sound tactics and watching less than a minute of the fight and thats the first thing I see.....in conclusion.... acquaint yourself with your chose faction nub =P

  • @greyestfire8511
    @greyestfire8511 9 лет назад

    This battle had alot of harassing in it

  • @coffeemania4990
    @coffeemania4990 10 лет назад

    you should attack the pike of his that are really depleted so that your pike can get in too it and always make a full defence and always use skirmishing units that are manier and you should use sycthe chariots instead of a dumbass elephant that keeps running amock

  • @Alex-_2001
    @Alex-_2001 7 месяцев назад

    How is it a draw where he literally busted your ass?

  • @totalmadnesman
    @totalmadnesman 10 лет назад +2

    Dammit too early..

  • @austinhampton7999
    @austinhampton7999 9 месяцев назад

    Why do you say what the crap is going on in the intro but yet you choose not to cuss? seems a bit off to me

  • @danisrusski6297
    @danisrusski6297 6 лет назад

    Mlg pike tactics.

  • @rathalo96
    @rathalo96 10 лет назад

    The egypten has a much better micro

  • @apostoloforrestgump4975
    @apostoloforrestgump4975 6 лет назад

    not a good game this one, lots of mistakes and not paying enough attention

  • @godofbiscuits2978
    @godofbiscuits2978 10 лет назад +3

    Hate players that use the noob box

    • @tonywoutrs
      @tonywoutrs 10 лет назад

      meh, atleast u can surround them

    • @godofbiscuits2978
      @godofbiscuits2978 10 лет назад +3

      Yea but usually wastes time and you end up with a draw, because they know they cant win so they just use the noob box for the time wasting draw. The most annoying thing on MP apart from elephant troll armies.

  • @desertratz307
    @desertratz307 5 лет назад

    Bro, love your channel but work on that pronunciation lol. Selukid is how it's pronounced, like Makedon. Greeks used a K, just like the Romans with Classical Latin. Keep up the good work b

  • @rush4in
    @rush4in 10 лет назад +2

    I hate that because of all the cheap pikes and slingers it's almost impossible to rush. And that stops me from playing the game. :-/

    • @totalmadnesman
      @totalmadnesman 10 лет назад

      I know that feel (kinda) :P Try it with artillery against noob campers.

    • @rush4in
      @rush4in 10 лет назад

      totalmadnesman I don't like arty. It's too immobile. And I have to camp to use it. It's pretty easy to tell from my name that rushing is my cup of tea.

    • @totalmadnesman
      @totalmadnesman 10 лет назад

      Rush4in I know my friend :D But maybe one mobil artillery against camping enemy, so you can push through pikes, or kill the enemy skirmishers ! :)?

    • @rush4in
      @rush4in 10 лет назад

      totalmadnesman You're talking about campaign and as you know I'm mainly playing multiplayer.

    • @totalmadnesman
      @totalmadnesman 10 лет назад

      Okay then you have to find another selution :p

  • @totalmadnesman
    @totalmadnesman 10 лет назад

    Wow you actually lost this ^^ Well Persian light archers are really shit ^^^:D

    • @HeirofCarthage
      @HeirofCarthage  10 лет назад +9

      Yes they are...I wanted them to be good. They just aren't :)

    • @totalmadnesman
      @totalmadnesman 10 лет назад

      HeirofCarthage Generally the archers aren't good enough in the game, ok maybe the cretan archers..and the syrian heavy ones..but thats it, the rest get crushed my slingers.!
      They should receiv a heathly boost.!

    • @GreatCoasterFan07
      @GreatCoasterFan07 10 лет назад

      HeirofCarthage You might choose for the Syrian archers. They are nice. If you buff them they can pair with cretan. (they still have lower attack) I love them because 40 armor is a lot for a archer unit and heavy shot beast out.

    • @totalmadnesman
      @totalmadnesman 10 лет назад

      Yannic van Heereveld But they are quit expensiv.!

    • @GreatCoasterFan07
      @GreatCoasterFan07 10 лет назад

      totalmadnesman thats right but they don't get mowd down like Persians. But yes they are almost twice as expensive.

  • @RoboticsBay
    @RoboticsBay 6 лет назад

    Terrible faction in campaign, getting your ass kicked all the time

  • @Jack-xx3qg
    @Jack-xx3qg 4 года назад

    This is the stupidest game. The control sucks such dumb units. U need to babysit every units.