NOTE - This is not a networked Ethernet connection - with these specific adaptors you can't send the HDMI signal via a router, a switch, an Ethernet over power-line connector, a WiFi transmitter, etc - you're just using a Cat6 (or CAT5e) cable as a substitute for a HDMI lead. The benefits are that you can have a longer cable run and the cable is easier to route through small holes and conduits.
did you test or plan to test the extra-long optical transport proper usb-c cables (transfer display and usb over same cable to a different place)? like that one guy used for the pc in the pond?
@@p_mouse8676 You can send video over network quite easily, but this isn't that, it's basically just using a ethernets cables conductors and matching them up to the conductors in the hdmi cable. Video over IP uses quite a lot of bandwidth aswell.
Mat wrote in the description: "Don't worry so much about my situation, I'm demonstrating a piece of tech, I'm not asking anyone to move in". Even when Mat is being serious, he can still be very funny.
Boss asked me to figure out a way to show company stats across all the TVs in the office. I'm a Data Analyst, but somehow also became office IT lol. I found a similar product on amazon and ordered it, unhooked all the TVs from their ethernets and used these adapters and the main unit hooked up to a spare laptop running a slideshow and playing music throughout the office. Cost $140 vs the $30 monthly fee our IT company was asking for to set up some cloud based system. Boss was more than happy.
Same thing here; I’ve used these extensively at work for a multitude of things and they work surprisingly well. It’s opened a lot of AV possibilities for us.
Seeing the cable lights messed in the tester reminded me about cross-over cable to connect PC-to-PC without a hub/switch I used back then in the late 90's
It is. All network adapters from the past 20 years can auto-sense whether it's a direct or cross-over cable, and will adapt to it, which is why the was working fine before even if connected to a switch or router.
That was my first thought as well. Crossover cables are a thing people forget existed, because auto-sensing has been a thing for a while, but they were indeed a thing.
I have no use for this beyond “huh. That’s neat.” But then again that’s why I’ve stuck about for 12(?) years here. I remember watching that Wireless HDMI thing when it was new. Thanks for the 12 years+ of entertainment!
We've been using these exact units in theaters at work. Orei also make a sexy little 4K HDMI 2.0b that allows us to get 4K/50 over to a group of TVs about 600M away from the AV enclosure....
Hey TM, IT FE here. See these devices every now and then and they’re also known as HDBaseT devices. We typically see them hidden under the floors / behind tvs in conference room setups. For the Ethernet as you mentioned the green and orange pairs weren’t 1-1 which meant this was a crossover cable, in future, use B standard as that’s pretty much what you’d see worldwide now. Great vid as always! 👍
HDBaseT is the standard but not all of these extenders are HDBT certified. It's a useful standard in case you need to mix and match manufacturers equipment, you can ensure interoperability. But generally these cheap extenders (often called baluns) aren't HDBT compatible.
@@OriginalRitz Yup, if it doesn't have "HDBaseT" slathered all over the packaging it's a pretty good bet that it ISN'T HDBaseT (costs money to license the standard so unless you NEED to be compliant with it to talk directly to say some projectors most companies don't bother, they just do some signal processing and shove the signals over the Cat6 cable)
Great little device, I've used them before myself and they work beyond their rated range in my experience. I also appreciate the little Morecambe and Wise joke you snuck in there, I'm not sure how many of your viewers will catch it!
T568A to T568B would be a crossover cable which most Ethernet equipment in the last 20 years wouldn't care as they auto negotiate the connection. Structured cabling should always be the same at both ends so good job in fixing that and yep they can certainly be used for other things other than Ethernet.
My thinking to, do bring up the question, HDMI adapter not doing that, as in the example setup of Techman here? it's an adapter, , it's for adapting something that's already there? why did the limit them selves, like only 50%, of potential cat LAN cables out there, for little more software, that everyone, managers to do? AND AN UN NEEDED PROBLEM FOR TECHANAL SUPPORT DEPARTMENT 🙂as Techman not covered it, (the cable requirement not on the box), having to resort It trouble shooting, skills that HI-FI, film both, not normally going to have, to solve the problem?
@@envisionelectronics Correct ANSI/TIA-568 is a technical standard not Ethernet. Maybe watch the video again and you may see @Techmoan mentions about the wiring not working and how they fixed it. Again this had nothing to do with Ethernet but when he originally installed it and it worked for Ethernet there is a reason why it still worked even though the ends were different.
I love this device - I had a need to run multiple video sources to several 80" screens in a manufacturing plant, so I got the 4x4 version to route any four sources to any four screens- It works just as Matt describes, with a little added flexibility. Orei makes a 8x8 version too in case you want to sing Karaoke in every room of your house.
Great video! In commercial/pro environments, cat6 is often used to send video over long runs because HDMI is, arguably, unstable beyond even as little as 10 meters sometimes. This is a good example of that sort of use in the home.
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Wow! This would be great to reduce subscription costs here where every set-top-box has an additional fee. We could just turn on one and choose between bedroom or living room TV. :) Thanks for featuring this!
And if you need more than one just daisychain the transmitters... hdmi out of one to hdmi in on the next... too bad you then all watch the same channel :)
There are some linux based set top boxes like certain Amiko ones, that allow you to set one of them as a card server and other as clients. That way each one of them can have a separate channel via that 1 subsr... card. It's also possible to share the card via internet, that way the clients don't need to be on the same LAN
We have used similar units in a broadcast environment for a few years with no issues. It's a very specific use case for us and the signals never make it to air (we do not use HDMI in the video chain at all). But the same concept applies. Fun fact: HDMI cables are, essentially, just twisted pair cables with the same number of wires inside as a network cable (ie: Cat5 or Cat6). The main difference is the HDMI cable has extra shielding the typical network cable lacks. (And, of course, the connectors are different.)
Time goes fast for sure. I went into Hi-Fi because of you. Thanks for that. I dive into that rabbit hole for the last 7 years now. Already 7 years! Time runs to fast for sure, and it is waiting for no one!
Yep, similar thing here in Singapore where we generally have gigabit residential connections, but some of us have 2 gigabit connections and there are even 10 gigabit connections from some ISPs! However, I also see what you mean as I have some contacts in Australia who only received FTTP just this year (while our network was rolled out in the early 2010s)!
We pre-wired our house before the drywall went up 10 years ago, and had a 50'/15m cable run from the AV shelf in the top of the closet to the TV, and went with a dual CAT6 to HDMI converter box. It glitches for a second or two from EMI events (lightning, cat running across the couch in the winter when the air is dry) and doesn't handle the Audio Return Channel, but it was so much cheaper than an HDMI of that length that those things don't bother us. For the remotes we used a Harmony Hub. Ten years on and both still work great, I'm watching you on it now via a Chromecast connected to the AV receiver in the closet.
At 5:05 - That T568A or T568B deal got me once also. A is for "home" and B is for "business". Why there are two wiring types? Supposedly, A is a legacy standard to use old telephone wires and B is better.
I've been using this system (but a different brand) for about three years without any issues whatsoever. I use mine to copy the CCTV feed from its home under the stairs to the TV in the living room. I've routed the cat cable under the floorboards so it's hidden out of the way & we can now switch from the TV to CCTV instantly if we hear a strange noise outside. It's a fantastic system for the price & I opted for this instead of a long HDMI cable because drilling holes for the cat cable is much easier than for the HDMI cable as the holes needed are much smaller & I didn't want to reduce the strength of the floor joists. I also had a lot of cat cable left over after installing a network in the house, so it reduced the work & also minimised the cost for me. I didn't fit the infrared cables to the system as I don't need them for my setup to work.
This reminds me of my old Steam Link. Before they had the app, that is. A simple box you plugged into your TV and either connected to the network over wifi or ethernet. I still use it to this day to stream everything from my desktop to my living room where I can watch movies.
Thank you Matt for introducing me to this product! It has solved a problem I have had for a few years. Having struggled with HDMI splitters and extenders and it not really working well, this has solved all of my issues. Thank you again and keep up the good work. 🙂
Just setup this same system about 6 months ago in a 60'x120' warehouse with TVs on either end. I have the 1x4 splitter and it works great. I typically run a Chromecast so can have it playing on all TVs at once or use the TV remote if I want something different on a single TV. No loss in quality like you would get in a long hdmi run
Good call, might have to switch to that when I next upgrade - much easier to swap out a pair of boxes rather than re-run a long cable when you need to support a newer HDMI standard.
These adapters are incredibly useful. I have been using them commercially for 5 yrs with no issue. Another neat piece of kit is CAT6 KVM, it’s USB 2.0 + HDMI over CAT6. Incredibly useful for say providing a client with access to their NVR for CCTV monitoring at their desk.
Yes! This is very helpful. I have been using this a year ago. Its COP is high. Can customize almost length to transmit video signal over longer distance.
As someone who works in event production, I come across these devices pretty regularly. It works much better than a long HDMI run, granted, but the same type of conversion run over HD-SDI, is much more reliable in the field when setting up and breaking down the gear all the time.
I don't know if these ever existed in the UK but in the US, TiVo did a very similar (if not identical) thing officially to be able to link two different TiVo units together and watch recorded shows on one on another TiVo-connected TV set. I don't think this was all that popular but I had their setup and it worked great once it was up and running. Just took a little bit of finagling to set it up but then both TiVos saw each other and you could watch stuff on either one recorded on the other, with no loss of quality or speed.
We used to use similar devices when installing screens in shopping centres - often the PC and screens were not in the same location. We also use them at our church to drive a number of screens mounted on pillars from a PC at the back. They are incredbily useful and effective.
Used these and older VGA/Composite/Component ones in museum exhibits. Always worked a treat. Have used the wireless ones, too, been okay. Some of them have been running 24/7 for 2-3 years at a time, no failures.
@@jamespfitz Why pain? It was a big thing. First used them for a big show of those terracotta soldiers from China. Had lots of screens with videos and such all over the place. Running the sources from a centralised location was much, much easier than putting a little media player behind every TV.
Good to see it's working well for you. I had a related issue a couple of years ago where I wanted to send the video output of a PC to a video projector on the other side of a church. I found these type of cat6 options and worked out that I needed one that would work with a 50m cat6 cable. I ended up going through several options before I found one that worked but I now think that was because I was trying to use flat cat6 cables (to run under carpets etc) and it seems that those are not properly constructed. I did find one that worked though and it even allowed a hub to be used to connect to multiple displays (each with their own receiver). We run it at 1080p and never have any problems.
Yeah they are great, I have exactly the same ones here and they replaced two much older larger units one for splitting the HDMI signal and the other box required two ethernet cables to transmit the signal between rooms. Theses Orei ones are much neater.
Amazing timing. I just recently installed my 4K DisplayPort to HDMI over Cat6 rig. I use it to connect my PC in one room to the TV in my living room. Mine is a Tripp Lite box and it works perfectly.
I used one of these via cat 6 to route virgin from downstairs. Paired an extra remote. Worked really well. Have sky stream now with two boxes until it gets too expensive,then will go back to this.
We used a similar device at Reagan airport so that we could transmit the weather & plane position radar system from the operations room to the ramp breakroom so ramp personnel could see when planes were getting close to landing and get ready to go out and attend to it on the ground.
These have been around for ages, these have been high quality for ages, alot of professional projectors actuall have these built in. We often use ones that use actual ethernet signals. They can be split using standard network switches.
I've did this years ago for a PC setup in an "office" where I worked, the office is a small way to describe the operations centre for power control the utility I worked for. This was for video only and no CEC. Worked great,
....also good as input/output audio cable extension! I have connected my computer audio output with this cable to my stereo system which is bit far away from the computer(approx. 6 -7 Meters ) No hum.
Coolest HDMI-over-UTP job I ever worked on was a new medical/surgical training facility on Sydney's largest public hospital campus, multiple operating theatres and labs kitted out with remote-controllable PTZ cameras and a combination of shotgun and ceiling-hung microphones. The video + audio from any camera/room could be routed to any of the five floors of meeting/conference/research spaces via a chonky HDBase-T matrix switcher built by Magenta, which took up three equipment racks including the patch bays, had a high-six-figures price tag, and could send/receive 1900x1200 high framerate DVI video up to 500 metres over special UTP cable that had an equal twist rate for all four pairs, to minimise RGB skew. Pretty cool system for the mid-2000s. I believe there are some systems which can transcieve/route/distribute digital video over a dedicated ethernet vLAN, but they're aimed squarely at the corporate/education/digital signage markets and are priced accordingly.
The Ethernet versions aren't too much more expensive. The Orei has an IP based kit for $89.99 compared to the more basic model Mat got which is $46.99. It's still twice the price but it's not crazy expensive.
I was using these about 15 years ago, they're good in the office where you have a noisy server in one room but need a video feed to the monitor in the other room. Never had a problem with them.
I use a bunch of the OREI HDMI-over-Cat5/Cat6 devices in a larger commercial building, even already having an IP video distribution system, since they're simple and work well for random short-term projects, and learned one thing - be careful about mix-and-match on OREI - some of theirs use 12V adapters, and some use 24V... and if you accidentally mix them, they either don't work, or the receiver can be destroyed (as I've managed to do a couple times.)
Very nice setup there. Especially considering you already had the Cat6 run from one room to the next it works perfectly. My only concern was your bluetooth remote but I suppose with the latest bluetooth standards (I think we are at 5.3) seems to work flawlessly for you. Great stuff :D
I did this for my boss 10 years ago but it was passive (non-powered) and used (2) Cat5e cables. He had plenty of network drops in his office but no CATV or HDMI from the MDF room so it was an ideal solution. It worked fine at 150' but I imagine the distance is limited much beyond that.
Wow, didn't even realise these really existed outside of commercial functions? I've recently installed a Sony X95L TV downstairs and want to get my office gaming PC into it, I'd have to consider a 4K60HZ Cat7 model, but great demonstration on how it works
In related technology, there is also a standard called HDBaseT that can send HDMI, but also USB, control signals, and power, over a CAT6 cable. Especially useful for professional installations where someone might bring their own laptop to plug in to a system but the projector is hanging from the ceiling - the (USB or network feature can be he used to send control signals to the projector without needing to use the remote control). Many projectors even have built-in support for the standard these days as well.
We’ve been using a similar kind of setup for the livestreams we do at our local church when there’s stuff happening outside. Though probably a much cheaper version. It’s quite neat that the units we have are powered by 5V DC so I made a little adapter so I could hook the transmitting end up to a power bank. Works a treat! Though there’s a noticeable latency in the transmission with ours so just be aware when using it for games consoles it might not be the ideal setup depending on the individual box.
I was in charge up grading a VGA projector setup. Used something very similar with a few extra options like an HDMI Switcher, Striper and Distribution. Then something similar to these things. I wire up the cat 6 to the T568b as that is what most of the devices are wanting. It works with out fault. During my research there are more expensive ways like HDMI over IP that does go over the network though that would have been overkill for that use case I was charged with setting up...
I installed an Orei KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) last week. I have a surveillance video recorder in the basement and a monitor/mouse in the kitchen. I connected the two via cat 5e that I had previously run 20 years ago! Runs great! (edit: I had the same problem with one end wired A and the other B and had no power)
I'm in my mid-twenties and I use a device that uses a bluetotth remote mostly and I instinctively point it at the device and TV all the time still. It does use Iinfrared for controlling the TV's volune, but nothing else. However, I still naturally point the remote at the TV because that's what I grew up with.
What I had to use once for a projector install in a classroom, with an old VGA cable running through the ducts, was a passive 2x RJ-45 to HDMI, both ends were completely passive and with two cables you've got enough wires, twisted pairs at that, to bring the whole signal just fine. Don't know how long it can get but with CAT 5e it obviously managed 720p 60 Hz just fine over ~10m or so. This active box is quite interesting in that it uses just one cable, and when you do the math it makes sense why it could do it: 1920 * 1080 * 32 * 60 = about 4 Gb/s, 4K 30 Hz would be double that, and that cabling can do 10 Gb/s so no wonder, I would bet that it's internally using repurposed, electrically identical but protocol wise incompatible, 10 gigabit Ethernet PoE hardware. Can't pass it through networking gear but very likely using all the same parts anyway.
got one taking my pc signal to a tv on the far wall for a third monitor, works flawlessly. Unlike mirror cast, the pc thinks the monitor is always on, so after reboots no going throw all the steps to reconnect to the tv. no more unstable wireless display issues , nice!
I've had a receiver and projector setup for 20+ years and have been working on how best to get the audio/video signals from one to another. Spoiler - etherrnet (Cat 5 or 6) cabling worked best. I started with composite video L/R audio in coax which worked fine but got only 1080p. Then went to component video RGB L/R audio in coax which got me up to 2K. Got flaky when I replaced the receiver and projector. I was shooting for projecting 3D projection. Nope. Went to wireless HDMI. Not any better. Then ran ethernet and everything works and gives me 4K plus 3D projection (really cool)! WOOT! Techmoan should now talk about how to handle sending IR wireless remote's signals to multiple other devices (receiver/DVD/ROKU/OTATV, etc) like behind a closed cabinet (pretty simple really).
They are used in professional environments all the time. We use all sorts of alternatives to basic hdmi cables. Optical hdmi. Hdmi to optical converters. Hdmi to SDI. And obviously this hdmi base-t. All work well and have slightly different applications.
Great video, I've used these extenders (along with an "active USB cable") to re-locate my large noisy PC in a wiring closet away from the office. The only drawbacks so far are (1) They are sensitive to electrical surges and lightning, causing the screen to blank for a second and (2) upgrading to the latest 4K/HDR/HDBaseT models from 1080P only was expensive.
I have a very small house in semi-Rural Missouri, so small (Think New York Single-bed loft, except i actually have a large lawn) I could simply wire multiple TVs with HDMI, in-fact the only reason I have wireless is for guests and doing things outside, however HDMI through CAT has been a thing for quite a while and I never even considered it. Good idea. I may do something simular when setting up my office in the back room. Plan to use one PC as both an office PC and my Living rooms entertainment center on two different desks and 4 displays, in two seperate rooms, the office "PC" running a VM perhaps.
I believe we used the same brand, probably an older model, that after many years of use splitting the HDMI out between 2 projectors would only work with 1 projector at a time. We had definitely gotten our moneys worth out of it! Another advantage as well is using Plenum cabling in the ceiling, ethernet is easier than HDMI to run/manage unless you're using fiber Micro-HDMI with adapters, but they have their pro's and con's as well.
We use these similar devices in our church to send video to different rooms while the service is going on. Ours seem sensitive to lighting storms and we have had to replace them a few times.
I got almost the exact same one for my local bar. They are Orei, but slightly larger, and either end can be powered IIRC… Got this after watching them struggle with pulling stupidly long and unreliable HDMI cables to their new LED wall outside. These worked first time, and has done for a good few months now. Was much easier and cheaper pulling a few CAT6 cables in.
We used many of those kind of devices at work, for conference rooms(so they can connect their laptop to big screen), those devices usually die after a couple of months of always being connected
Oh look at you Mr Network engineer. Great stuff and B is the correct standard. When you first wired up your sockets the wire in the wall was setup like a crossover cable. Rewiring the sockets so both ends are type B is the right standard. Good job. BTW I have been a network engineer for over 30 years so if you're ever stuck again let me know as I based in Liverpool and all the know how and tools to do any network type of job.
There are long-run HDMI cables with barrel connectors (similar to PS/2) close to one end that are meant for fishing through walls without the large HDMI connector attached. They are stupid expensive! This looks like a great solution as an alternative to running two CAT5/6 cables and using adapters or when IR transmission is required.
We use a lot of similar HDMI and KVM extenders for setting up CCTV monitoring/NOC centers at work. It is worth noting if you are thinking of installing these, do your self a huge favour and run screened Cat cables-and use the screened plugs as well. Most decent models will recommend this, as these extenders can be prone to interference.
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NOTE - This is not a networked Ethernet connection - with these specific adaptors you can't send the HDMI signal via a router, a switch, an Ethernet over power-line connector, a WiFi transmitter, etc - you're just using a Cat6 (or CAT5e) cable as a substitute for a HDMI lead. The benefits are that you can have a longer cable run and the cable is easier to route through small holes and conduits.
did you test or plan to test the extra-long optical transport proper usb-c cables (transfer display and usb over same cable to a different place)? like that one guy used for the pc in the pond?
Twisted pair cables are built on an actual understanding of electricity, pretty good modern tech.
@@lasskinn474 You can also get optical hdmi cables, but your holes need at least be big enough for a micro hdmi plug.
I think I have seen solutions where regular switches etc could be used. I think LTT did a video about this quite a while ago.
@@p_mouse8676 You can send video over network quite easily, but this isn't that, it's basically just using a ethernets cables conductors and matching them up to the conductors in the hdmi cable. Video over IP uses quite a lot of bandwidth aswell.
Mat wrote in the description: "Don't worry so much about my situation, I'm demonstrating a piece of tech, I'm not asking anyone to move in". Even when Mat is being serious, he can still be very funny.
He's British, that is him being funny
So disappointed. I was already packing.
Boss asked me to figure out a way to show company stats across all the TVs in the office. I'm a Data Analyst, but somehow also became office IT lol. I found a similar product on amazon and ordered it, unhooked all the TVs from their ethernets and used these adapters and the main unit hooked up to a spare laptop running a slideshow and playing music throughout the office. Cost $140 vs the $30 monthly fee our IT company was asking for to set up some cloud based system. Boss was more than happy.
And I bet you were rewarded with a pat in the back and more work lol. JK, good job making the company save the money.
140 bucks out of his own pocket probably.
I hope you’re getting paid extra for the tech support.
should've charged him $25 monthly for it
Same thing here; I’ve used these extensively at work for a multitude of things and they work surprisingly well. It’s opened a lot of AV possibilities for us.
Seeing the cable lights messed in the tester reminded me about cross-over cable to connect PC-to-PC without a hub/switch I used back then in the late 90's
I thought that, MDI vs MDI-X en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface#MDI_vs._MDI-X
I’ve booked my taxi ready for the elderly home..
It is. All network adapters from the past 20 years can auto-sense whether it's a direct or cross-over cable, and will adapt to it, which is why the was working fine before even if connected to a switch or router.
Key memory of making these with my uncle unlocked. Dude, you just made me cry, hahaha.
That was my first thought as well. Crossover cables are a thing people forget existed, because auto-sensing has been a thing for a while, but they were indeed a thing.
Was it an RS-232 variation perhaps?
I have no use for this beyond “huh. That’s neat.”
But then again that’s why I’ve stuck about for 12(?) years here. I remember watching that Wireless HDMI thing when it was new. Thanks for the 12 years+ of entertainment!
Well I remember when the Tefifon was new!
We've been using these exact units in theaters at work. Orei also make a sexy little 4K HDMI 2.0b that allows us to get 4K/50 over to a group of TVs about 600M away from the AV enclosure....
We use hundreds of these at the university where I work as an AV tech, crazy to see Techmoan talking about a type of device I see every day!
Do you use Crestron or Extron?
Hey TM, IT FE here. See these devices every now and then and they’re also known as HDBaseT devices. We typically see them hidden under the floors / behind tvs in conference room setups.
For the Ethernet as you mentioned the green and orange pairs weren’t 1-1 which meant this was a crossover cable, in future, use B standard as that’s pretty much what you’d see worldwide now.
Great vid as always! 👍
HDBaseT is the standard but not all of these extenders are HDBT certified. It's a useful standard in case you need to mix and match manufacturers equipment, you can ensure interoperability. But generally these cheap extenders (often called baluns) aren't HDBT compatible.
@@OriginalRitz Yup, if it doesn't have "HDBaseT" slathered all over the packaging it's a pretty good bet that it ISN'T HDBaseT (costs money to license the standard so unless you NEED to be compliant with it to talk directly to say some projectors most companies don't bother, they just do some signal processing and shove the signals over the Cat6 cable)
Great little device, I've used them before myself and they work beyond their rated range in my experience. I also appreciate the little Morecambe and Wise joke you snuck in there, I'm not sure how many of your viewers will catch it!
Ah yes. The Andre Preview (Previn) sketch😂.
While watching, in my head I completed the sentence in Eric Morecambe's voice. 😁
T568A to T568B would be a crossover cable which most Ethernet equipment in the last 20 years wouldn't care as they auto negotiate the connection.
Structured cabling should always be the same at both ends so good job in fixing that and yep they can certainly be used for other things other than Ethernet.
My thinking to, do bring up the question, HDMI adapter not doing that, as in the example setup of Techman here? it's an adapter, , it's for adapting something that's already there? why did the limit them selves, like only 50%, of potential cat LAN cables out there, for little more software, that everyone, managers to do? AND AN UN NEEDED PROBLEM FOR TECHANAL SUPPORT DEPARTMENT 🙂as Techman not covered it, (the cable requirement not on the box), having to resort It trouble shooting, skills that HI-FI, film both, not normally going to have, to solve the problem?
@@dh2032 No idea what you are on about.
This isn’t Ethernet…
@@envisionelectronics Correct ANSI/TIA-568 is a technical standard not Ethernet. Maybe watch the video again and you may see @Techmoan mentions about the wiring not working and how they fixed it. Again this had nothing to do with Ethernet but when he originally installed it and it worked for Ethernet there is a reason why it still worked even though the ends were different.
@@Didz your patience with these folks is commendable
This is an excellent solution to watch video feed from a NVR security camera system in different room from where the NVR is located.
I love this device - I had a need to run multiple video sources to several 80" screens in a manufacturing plant, so I got the 4x4 version to route any four sources to any four screens- It works just as Matt describes, with a little added flexibility. Orei makes a 8x8 version too in case you want to sing Karaoke in every room of your house.
Great video! In commercial/pro environments, cat6 is often used to send video over long runs because HDMI is, arguably, unstable beyond even as little as 10 meters sometimes. This is a good example of that sort of use in the home.
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Wow! This would be great to reduce subscription costs here where every set-top-box has an additional fee. We could just turn on one and choose between bedroom or living room TV. :) Thanks for featuring this!
And if you need more than one just daisychain the transmitters... hdmi out of one to hdmi in on the next... too bad you then all watch the same channel :)
You can also use hdmi splitters
@@delinuxspecialist As long as you're the one in charge of the remote control it doesn't matter. 😆
There are some linux based set top boxes like certain Amiko ones, that allow you to set one of them as a card server and other as clients. That way each one of them can have a separate channel via that 1 subsr... card.
It's also possible to share the card via internet, that way the clients don't need to be on the same LAN
Not if it requires hdcp
We have used similar units in a broadcast environment for a few years with no issues. It's a very specific use case for us and the signals never make it to air (we do not use HDMI in the video chain at all). But the same concept applies. Fun fact: HDMI cables are, essentially, just twisted pair cables with the same number of wires inside as a network cable (ie: Cat5 or Cat6). The main difference is the HDMI cable has extra shielding the typical network cable lacks. (And, of course, the connectors are different.)
Time goes fast for sure. I went into Hi-Fi because of you. Thanks for that. I dive into that rabbit hole for the last 7 years now. Already 7 years! Time runs to fast for sure, and it is waiting for no one!
Never to old to learn something new. Thank you Sir. For us Aussies, you've got a blinding fast internet.
Sorry to hear, 70% of all homes in the Netherlands has a opticalfiber connection.
Jump across the ditch where we have fibre to every (urban) house 😉 Some ISPs even offer 10gbps now
Blinding fast for Americans too. I'm stuck with 5mbps weak cellular connection because there's nothing else (other than satellite)
Yep, similar thing here in Singapore where we generally have gigabit residential connections, but some of us have 2 gigabit connections and there are even 10 gigabit connections from some ISPs! However, I also see what you mean as I have some contacts in Australia who only received FTTP just this year (while our network was rolled out in the early 2010s)!
We pre-wired our house before the drywall went up 10 years ago, and had a 50'/15m cable run from the AV shelf in the top of the closet to the TV, and went with a dual CAT6 to HDMI converter box. It glitches for a second or two from EMI events (lightning, cat running across the couch in the winter when the air is dry) and doesn't handle the Audio Return Channel, but it was so much cheaper than an HDMI of that length that those things don't bother us. For the remotes we used a Harmony Hub. Ten years on and both still work great, I'm watching you on it now via a Chromecast connected to the AV receiver in the closet.
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@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 The struggle is real, lol.
At 5:05 - That T568A or T568B deal got me once also. A is for "home" and B is for "business". Why there are two wiring types? Supposedly, A is a legacy standard to use old telephone wires and B is better.
I've been using this system (but a different brand) for about three years without any issues whatsoever. I use mine to copy the CCTV feed from its home under the stairs to the TV in the living room. I've routed the cat cable under the floorboards so it's hidden out of the way & we can now switch from the TV to CCTV instantly if we hear a strange noise outside.
It's a fantastic system for the price & I opted for this instead of a long HDMI cable because drilling holes for the cat cable is much easier than for the HDMI cable as the holes needed are much smaller & I didn't want to reduce the strength of the floor joists. I also had a lot of cat cable left over after installing a network in the house, so it reduced the work & also minimised the cost for me.
I didn't fit the infrared cables to the system as I don't need them for my setup to work.
CEC passes through just fine?
I did the same so I'm not crammed in the wiring closet to view security footage. My box extends USB so I can use a keyboard/mouse at the remote end
This reminds me of my old Steam Link. Before they had the app, that is. A simple box you plugged into your TV and either connected to the network over wifi or ethernet. I still use it to this day to stream everything from my desktop to my living room where I can watch movies.
Great Morecambe and Wise reference
I expected to see Andre Previn flash up on the screen.
Thank you Matt for introducing me to this product! It has solved a problem I have had for a few years. Having struggled with HDMI splitters and extenders and it not really working well, this has solved all of my issues. Thank you again and keep up the good work. 🙂
I was using these 15 years ago. Nothing new. They do work well.
Nothing new, but I'd bet 95% of people never even heard of this.
Love the presentation. It’s like I have a British? Scottish? Irish? Tech enthusiast grandpa
Just setup this same system about 6 months ago in a 60'x120' warehouse with TVs on either end. I have the 1x4 splitter and it works great. I typically run a Chromecast so can have it playing on all TVs at once or use the TV remote if I want something different on a single TV. No loss in quality like you would get in a long hdmi run
Nice one Matt. These are very handy for projector runs (from the player to the projector at the back of the room)
Good call, might have to switch to that when I next upgrade - much easier to swap out a pair of boxes rather than re-run a long cable when you need to support a newer HDMI standard.
These adapters are incredibly useful. I have been using them commercially for 5 yrs with no issue.
Another neat piece of kit is CAT6 KVM, it’s USB 2.0 + HDMI over CAT6. Incredibly useful for say providing a client with access to their NVR for CCTV monitoring at their desk.
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I've bought numerous devices from Orei and I love them. Great quality and very affordable.
I've got something similar for DVI cables. They've worked well for something like 15 years.
Yes! This is very helpful. I have been using this a year ago. Its COP is high. Can customize almost length to transmit video signal over longer distance.
As someone who works in event production, I come across these devices pretty regularly. It works much better than a long HDMI run, granted, but the same type of conversion run over HD-SDI, is much more reliable in the field when setting up and breaking down the gear all the time.
Good to know this actually works. I was always a bit skeptical. Don't need it now, but might come in handy one day.
I have a similar box that works over cat5e, been using it for years and it’s fantastic.
I don't know if these ever existed in the UK but in the US, TiVo did a very similar (if not identical) thing officially to be able to link two different TiVo units together and watch recorded shows on one on another TiVo-connected TV set. I don't think this was all that popular but I had their setup and it worked great once it was up and running. Just took a little bit of finagling to set it up but then both TiVos saw each other and you could watch stuff on either one recorded on the other, with no loss of quality or speed.
We used to use similar devices when installing screens in shopping centres - often the PC and screens were not in the same location. We also use them at our church to drive a number of screens mounted on pillars from a PC at the back. They are incredbily useful and effective.
I used one of these about 10 years ago. Might have even been the same brand - it worked great.
I use these too! they work soo good ! Been running a pair for over 2 years not A SINGLE issue !!
Used these and older VGA/Composite/Component ones in museum exhibits. Always worked a treat. Have used the wireless ones, too, been okay. Some of them have been running 24/7 for 2-3 years at a time, no failures.
"Museum exhibits". 😩
@@jamespfitz Why pain? It was a big thing. First used them for a big show of those terracotta soldiers from China. Had lots of screens with videos and such all over the place. Running the sources from a centralised location was much, much easier than putting a little media player behind every TV.
Good to see it's working well for you. I had a related issue a couple of years ago where I wanted to send the video output of a PC to a video projector on the other side of a church. I found these type of cat6 options and worked out that I needed one that would work with a 50m cat6 cable. I ended up going through several options before I found one that worked but I now think that was because I was trying to use flat cat6 cables (to run under carpets etc) and it seems that those are not properly constructed. I did find one that worked though and it even allowed a hub to be used to connect to multiple displays (each with their own receiver). We run it at 1080p and never have any problems.
Yeah they are great, I have exactly the same ones here and they replaced two much older larger units one for splitting the HDMI signal and the other box required two ethernet cables to transmit the signal between rooms. Theses Orei ones are much neater.
Amazing timing. I just recently installed my 4K DisplayPort to HDMI over Cat6 rig. I use it to connect my PC in one room to the TV in my living room. Mine is a Tripp Lite box and it works perfectly.
I used one of these via cat 6 to route virgin from downstairs. Paired an extra remote. Worked really well. Have sky stream now with two boxes until it gets too expensive,then will go back to this.
We used a similar device at Reagan airport so that we could transmit the weather & plane position radar system from the operations room to the ramp breakroom so ramp personnel could see when planes were getting close to landing and get ready to go out and attend to it on the ground.
We've been doing this in the live music/concert industry for years. just have to use boosters to take video over long distances.
I've used 2 of oeri devices for a few years now to have my computers in another room they work great well worth the money!
These have been around for ages, these have been high quality for ages, alot of professional projectors actuall have these built in.
We often use ones that use actual ethernet signals. They can be split using standard network switches.
The ones using actual Ethernet have lower image quality and a touch of extra latency.
That wireless HDMI video was 12 years ago?!
time flies
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For real
I know I was using it years ago worked in a house was over a system like this
The last 10 years barely existed
I've did this years ago for a PC setup in an "office" where I worked, the office is a small way to describe the operations centre for power control the utility I worked for. This was for video only and no CEC. Worked great,
We got 16 of these for TVs displaying stuff at the office a few years ago. It works great.
....also good as input/output audio cable extension!
I have connected my computer audio output with this cable to my stereo system which is bit far away from the computer(approx. 6 -7 Meters )
No hum.
Coolest HDMI-over-UTP job I ever worked on was a new medical/surgical training facility on Sydney's largest public hospital campus, multiple operating theatres and labs kitted out with remote-controllable PTZ cameras and a combination of shotgun and ceiling-hung microphones. The video + audio from any camera/room could be routed to any of the five floors of meeting/conference/research spaces via a chonky HDBase-T matrix switcher built by Magenta, which took up three equipment racks including the patch bays, had a high-six-figures price tag, and could send/receive 1900x1200 high framerate DVI video up to 500 metres over special UTP cable that had an equal twist rate for all four pairs, to minimise RGB skew. Pretty cool system for the mid-2000s.
I believe there are some systems which can transcieve/route/distribute digital video over a dedicated ethernet vLAN, but they're aimed squarely at the corporate/education/digital signage markets and are priced accordingly.
The Ethernet versions aren't too much more expensive. The Orei has an IP based kit for $89.99 compared to the more basic model Mat got which is $46.99. It's still twice the price but it's not crazy expensive.
I was using these about 15 years ago, they're good in the office where you have a noisy server in one room but need a video feed to the monitor in the other room. Never had a problem with them.
we use these in my theater for our projectors and they work like a charm
I use a bunch of the OREI HDMI-over-Cat5/Cat6 devices in a larger commercial building, even already having an IP video distribution system, since they're simple and work well for random short-term projects, and learned one thing - be careful about mix-and-match on OREI - some of theirs use 12V adapters, and some use 24V... and if you accidentally mix them, they either don't work, or the receiver can be destroyed (as I've managed to do a couple times.)
Very nice setup there. Especially considering you already had the Cat6 run from one room to the next it works perfectly. My only concern was your bluetooth remote but I suppose with the latest bluetooth standards (I think we are at 5.3) seems to work flawlessly for you. Great stuff :D
I did this for my boss 10 years ago but it was passive (non-powered) and used (2) Cat5e cables. He had plenty of network drops in his office but no CATV or HDMI from the MDF room so it was an ideal solution. It worked fine at 150' but I imagine the distance is limited much beyond that.
extending hdmi over ethernet works great.. theyre much cheaper than getting long cables and you can reuse old network cables lying around
We use these at work to connect camera servers to viewing TVs in far flung places. Install them then forget about them. Never had a problem.
Oh wow! The extender is actually quite cheap to. Thank you for showing this - I didn't know these options worked as well as they did!
Wow, didn't even realise these really existed outside of commercial functions? I've recently installed a Sony X95L TV downstairs and want to get my office gaming PC into it, I'd have to consider a 4K60HZ Cat7 model, but great demonstration on how it works
CAT6 cable are great for almost any application, i use it for a 16m powered USB connection as well as for the satellite speakers in my living room
In related technology, there is also a standard called HDBaseT that can send HDMI, but also USB, control signals, and power, over a CAT6 cable. Especially useful for professional installations where someone might bring their own laptop to plug in to a system but the projector is hanging from the ceiling - the (USB or network feature can be he used to send control signals to the projector without needing to use the remote control). Many projectors even have built-in support for the standard these days as well.
Used similar to this for a pa and screen system worked really well
Nice! I use these for work for Point of Sales screens at restaurants for drive-thrus. It's very useful!
Some devices like this give you a bonus of stripping the HDCP protection, so you can use external capture devices to record a signal...
We’ve been using a similar kind of setup for the livestreams we do at our local church when there’s stuff happening outside. Though probably a much cheaper version. It’s quite neat that the units we have are powered by 5V DC so I made a little adapter so I could hook the transmitting end up to a power bank. Works a treat! Though there’s a noticeable latency in the transmission with ours so just be aware when using it for games consoles it might not be the ideal setup depending on the individual box.
I was in charge up grading a VGA projector setup. Used something very similar with a few extra options like an HDMI Switcher, Striper and Distribution. Then something similar to these things. I wire up the cat 6 to the T568b as that is what most of the devices are wanting. It works with out fault. During my research there are more expensive ways like HDMI over IP that does go over the network though that would have been overkill for that use case I was charged with setting up...
Hey can confirm this works. I use a balun for 4k hdr with Dolby atmos over 200 feet of cat 7 cable and it works fantastic with zero lag.
I installed an Orei KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) last week. I have a surveillance video recorder in the basement and a monitor/mouse in the kitchen. I connected the two via cat 5e that I had previously run 20 years ago! Runs great! (edit: I had the same problem with one end wired A and the other B and had no power)
Thanks! This might be extremely useful in our offices.
I think that this is great. You can send USB over Cat6 as well. This means that you could have one PC and a screen, keyboard, and mouse in every room.
Really enjoyed this one, had this issue when I was with virgin. Wish I know this then
I'm in my mid-twenties and I use a device that uses a bluetotth remote mostly and I instinctively point it at the device and TV all the time still. It does use Iinfrared for controlling the TV's volune, but nothing else. However, I still naturally point the remote at the TV because that's what I grew up with.
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What I had to use once for a projector install in a classroom, with an old VGA cable running through the ducts, was a passive 2x RJ-45 to HDMI, both ends were completely passive and with two cables you've got enough wires, twisted pairs at that, to bring the whole signal just fine. Don't know how long it can get but with CAT 5e it obviously managed 720p 60 Hz just fine over ~10m or so.
This active box is quite interesting in that it uses just one cable, and when you do the math it makes sense why it could do it: 1920 * 1080 * 32 * 60 = about 4 Gb/s, 4K 30 Hz would be double that, and that cabling can do 10 Gb/s so no wonder, I would bet that it's internally using repurposed, electrically identical but protocol wise incompatible, 10 gigabit Ethernet PoE hardware. Can't pass it through networking gear but very likely using all the same parts anyway.
Great job entertaining me with something I don't need, absolute master class.
Nice! IMHO This will help loads more folks than you've anticipated...
Very common in the install/ production world but it’s wonderful to have it trickle down to the consumer level :)
got one taking my pc signal to a tv on the far wall for a third monitor, works flawlessly. Unlike mirror cast, the pc thinks the monitor is always on, so after reboots no going throw all the steps to reconnect to the tv. no more unstable wireless display issues , nice!
we use these a lot in schools to connect smart panels or projectors
I've had a receiver and projector setup for 20+ years and have been working on how best to get the audio/video signals from one to another. Spoiler - etherrnet (Cat 5 or 6) cabling worked best. I started with composite video L/R audio in coax which worked fine but got only 1080p. Then went to component video RGB L/R audio in coax which got me up to 2K. Got flaky when I replaced the receiver and projector. I was shooting for projecting 3D projection. Nope. Went to wireless HDMI. Not any better. Then ran ethernet and everything works and gives me 4K plus 3D projection (really cool)! WOOT! Techmoan should now talk about how to handle sending IR wireless remote's signals to multiple other devices (receiver/DVD/ROKU/OTATV, etc) like behind a closed cabinet (pretty simple really).
They are used in professional environments all the time.
We use all sorts of alternatives to basic hdmi cables.
Optical hdmi.
Hdmi to optical converters.
Hdmi to SDI.
And obviously this hdmi base-t.
All work well and have slightly different applications.
Thanks for this video, I've a long HDMI run to a projector and it suffers a bit with drop outs, these and a run of cat6 might be just the ticket.
Great video, I've used these extenders (along with an "active USB cable") to re-locate my large noisy PC in a wiring closet away from the office. The only drawbacks so far are (1) They are sensitive to electrical surges and lightning, causing the screen to blank for a second and (2) upgrading to the latest 4K/HDR/HDBaseT models from 1080P only was expensive.
That's really cool! Some good "service journalism," as my friends in local TV say
In the pro av industry these are used all the time for conference rooms and offices they work really well
I have a very small house in semi-Rural Missouri, so small (Think New York Single-bed loft, except i actually have a large lawn) I could simply wire multiple TVs with HDMI, in-fact the only reason I have wireless is for guests and doing things outside, however HDMI through CAT has been a thing for quite a while and I never even considered it. Good idea.
I may do something simular when setting up my office in the back room. Plan to use one PC as both an office PC and my Living rooms entertainment center on two different desks and 4 displays, in two seperate rooms, the office "PC" running a VM perhaps.
all that effort and still stuff all worth watching
I believe we used the same brand, probably an older model, that after many years of use splitting the HDMI out between 2 projectors would only work with 1 projector at a time. We had definitely gotten our moneys worth out of it! Another advantage as well is using Plenum cabling in the ceiling, ethernet is easier than HDMI to run/manage unless you're using fiber Micro-HDMI with adapters, but they have their pro's and con's as well.
We use these similar devices in our church to send video to different rooms while the service is going on. Ours seem sensitive to lighting storms and we have had to replace them a few times.
I got almost the exact same one for my local bar. They are Orei, but slightly larger, and either end can be powered IIRC…
Got this after watching them struggle with pulling stupidly long and unreliable HDMI cables to their new LED wall outside. These worked first time, and has done for a good few months now. Was much easier and cheaper pulling a few CAT6 cables in.
We used many of those kind of devices at work, for conference rooms(so they can connect their laptop to big screen), those devices usually die after a couple of months of always being connected
I think I’ll be using something like this to connect my CCTV system output to downstairs. Thanks for sharing!
Oh look at you Mr Network engineer. Great stuff and B is the correct standard. When you first wired up your sockets the wire in the wall was setup like a crossover cable. Rewiring the sockets so both ends are type B is the right standard. Good job. BTW I have been a network engineer for over 30 years so if you're ever stuck again let me know as I based in Liverpool and all the know how and tools to do any network type of job.
This Saturday on BBC radio 4, there's a programmme hosted by Pete Waterman, celebrating 75 years of the 7" vinyl single.
There are long-run HDMI cables with barrel connectors (similar to PS/2) close to one end that are meant for fishing through walls without the large HDMI connector attached. They are stupid expensive! This looks like a great solution as an alternative to running two CAT5/6 cables and using adapters or when IR transmission is required.
We use a lot of similar HDMI and KVM extenders for setting up CCTV monitoring/NOC centers at work. It is worth noting if you are thinking of installing these, do your self a huge favour and run screened Cat cables-and use the screened plugs as well. Most decent models will recommend this, as these extenders can be prone to interference.