The Marshall Sound Vs The Hiwatt Sound

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • I'm comparing two classic british guitar sounds: The Marshall sound and the Hiwatt sound. I'm comparing a 1973 Marshall JMP half stack with Pulsonic Celestion Greenbacks to a 1976 Hiwatt DR103 with Pulsonic Fane Crescendos. I'm using a 1969 Gibson SG Special, a 1973 Fender Stratocaster and a 2008 Gibson Les Paul R9.

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  • @SuperGaryBurns
    @SuperGaryBurns 9 месяцев назад +51

    Marshall Hiwatt would be a brilliant name for the town sheriff in a half cool B-movie ! 🤠

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +2

      Hahaha! With the guy in your thumbnail in the lead 😂

    • @llaeeZ
      @llaeeZ 8 месяцев назад +6

      That was sort of done in the Van Damme movie Cyborg. The main character is named Gibson Rickenbacker. All of the main characters got electric guitar related names.

    • @An_inquisitive_thinker
      @An_inquisitive_thinker 18 дней назад +1

      Scott Gigawatt.

  • @ronadams6953
    @ronadams6953 9 месяцев назад +105

    The Marshall definitely sounds more compressed. The Strat into the Hiwatt was magical.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +6

      Thanks, glad to hear it!

    • @anthonykiley2396
      @anthonykiley2396 9 месяцев назад +7

      Yep, I agree. The Les Paul Marshall was ace, but the Strat sounded better in the Hiwatt. Both amps and guitars sounded incredible with Johan playing as usual. He could make anything sound great with his touch! 😎

    • @MadScientistGuitarLab
      @MadScientistGuitarLab 9 месяцев назад +4

      Also have to agree the Strat Hiwatt combo was perfect. It gave the strat much more bottom end. I love it.

    • @danielakerman8241
      @danielakerman8241 8 месяцев назад +2

      That compression is likely from the speakers even more than the amp. The Marshall through the Fane cabinet would have more headroom

    • @Mizzdr111
      @Mizzdr111 8 месяцев назад +1

      I like the HiWatt overall. Sounds REALLY authentic and has serious. bite.

  • @Wileylikethehawk
    @Wileylikethehawk 8 месяцев назад +17

    I played a show with my old 2203…. The next day I played one of my Hiwatts. My buddy who came to both shows came up to me after the second show and said “Holy crap, that Marshall sounded GREAT tonight”…. He hadn’t been able to see from where he was standing that it was the Hiwatt that night :)

  • @mrbuttons1243
    @mrbuttons1243 9 месяцев назад +140

    The both sound amazing with any guitar but this video makes me appreciate how a Les Paul and Marshall is "the sound".

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks! Glad to hear that!

    • @R3TR0R4V3
      @R3TR0R4V3 9 месяцев назад +2

      Indeed! 🍻

    • @TwoWeekCowboy
      @TwoWeekCowboy 9 месяцев назад +5

      Agreed. Practically from the first note, you just hear that bellow/roar when a Lester and a Marshall combine...and how many times have we heard that since Eric C used one on the Bluesbreaker album? Both amps just reek of character...they're true rock and roll classics.

    • @markwilliams5606
      @markwilliams5606 9 месяцев назад +3

      Am a older Gibson guy. Prefer the Marshall. Dig the Deep sound.

    • @tomaslopez2940
      @tomaslopez2940 9 месяцев назад +3

      What about Jimi who added it with his strat?

  • @ruffryder13
    @ruffryder13 9 месяцев назад +38

    The Marshall is definitely recognizable as the tone a lot of people are going for.
    But the Hiwatt sound, although less common, offers a refreshing alternative to explore.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks!

    • @user-qr7ee2cp4y
      @user-qr7ee2cp4y 8 месяцев назад

      I read an interview where Paul Gilbert ran his a/da mp1 preamp into a hiwatt for either his mr big stuff or his racer x stuff. It was either the end of racer x or the beginning of Mr big

    • @chzzyg2698
      @chzzyg2698 8 месяцев назад +2

      I think that's what it is that I like about it. It's different and not the same tired sound I've heard a thousand times before.

  • @ForeverDownByLaw
    @ForeverDownByLaw 8 месяцев назад +8

    Both sound great. I'd be curious about how much the speakers are influencing the sound. Would love to hear the Marshall into the Hiwatt cab and vice versa.

  • @NoOne-sn2si
    @NoOne-sn2si 9 месяцев назад +29

    I've really been getting into Hiwatt recently... I've built a couple of DR504s in the last month and I gotta say, the Hiwatt sound is awesome!

  • @billsmith2212
    @billsmith2212 9 месяцев назад +16

    Martin Barre used HiWatt when they first toured . He now uses Soldano and a single 12" Bare Faced speaker . His tone with the PRS is MONSTER !

  • @12footchain
    @12footchain 9 месяцев назад +12

    thank you for doing this. I've been curious about the vintage hiwatt vs marshall for a long time. the high end frequencies that seem to cut through on the hiwatt is so great and really defines maybe the main difference between the two. so great.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +9

      That’s yeah the Hiwatt has presence in a range where the individual guitar comes to life

    • @ArkAmps
      @ArkAmps 8 месяцев назад

      really nice demo, the Hiwatt really surprised me how good it sounds!

  • @crucifiddle
    @crucifiddle 9 дней назад +1

    That was fun! I've only played with one guitarist who had a HiWatt. I remember he said it was great to use pedals with. I remember it was REALLY LOUD!!😀😀

  • @koslover
    @koslover 8 месяцев назад +5

    I had a Hiwatt DR504 in the 80s - and quite a number of Marshalls. The Hiwatt sounded crisper and always delivered a lot more of acoustic pressure. You really have to crank a Hiwatt up if you want some smooth distortion. Then, it's awfully loud!

  • @fon267
    @fon267 9 месяцев назад +9

    Marshall is creamier... Love the Hiwatt presence though. Thanks for your videos Johan, always amazing.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks, really glad to hear that!

  • @livingabovethe12th
    @livingabovethe12th 9 месяцев назад +17

    I really like on the Hiwatt that when you clean up, it retains its heaviness. Anyone who digs the real deal Hiwatt dr103 thing has to check out the new production Sound City Master One Hundred or Master 50 with its matching cabs (they have fane speakers). Fryette makes them and they have nailed a consistent dr103 sound. After checking a half stack out, I am selling gear and saving pennies!!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks! I’m gonna check them out

    • @cliffords2315
      @cliffords2315 9 месяцев назад +1

      They have the Cleanest Circuits ive ever seen, super simple

    • @scottdunn2178
      @scottdunn2178 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@cliffords2315Ken Fischer always raved about the layout of the DR series...

  • @jcoulter43
    @jcoulter43 9 месяцев назад +41

    I'm also a huge Marshall tone guy, but love the Hiwatt sound as well. For my tone, I lean Marshall, but from the first notes you played I could tell which artists used each. So distinctive and punchy (Hiwatt). Page and Townsend knew what weapons to deploy for their sonic assaults. God Bless and Merry Christmas 🎄🎸👍

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks my friend, Merry Christmas!

  • @haysfordays
    @haysfordays 8 месяцев назад +3

    Being a large Who fan, this is as revelatory as when I first heard Beatles guitar parts being played on the rear mid-60's Vox UL amps on Steve Walsh's (also great) channel.
    The cleaner examples were the most spot on and "a-ha!" moments. That "Breathe" made me smile. It's just THE SOUND! It just fascinates me how these particular mix of frequencies and voicings are so identifiable that they can really take over the sonic character no matter "who" is playing thru them . Thanks so much for your work!

  • @darwinsaye
    @darwinsaye 9 месяцев назад +6

    Townshend’s classic live tone was actually a Hiwatt CP103, a circuit designed for him based on his old Sound City Mark1. It’s quite different from the classic Hiwatt DRs. It had four inputs, with a volume for each input, master volume, and bass and treble controls only.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +3

      Yeah I’ll try to find one of those too and AB test it with this one

    • @thomaswilliams3519
      @thomaswilliams3519 9 месяцев назад +1

      I’ve owned both and it’s more subtle than you think. Now I have a Hiwatt “little rig” 20w x 5w and if you put it on 5w with the Aclaim Windmiller pedal it’s pretty great. The sparkle of the Hiwatt, to me, is what sets the two amps apart. The addition of the Aclaim pedal and the right amp settings is more important to my ears than splitting hairs with the Hiwatts.

  • @geschickt
    @geschickt 9 месяцев назад +7

    Great comparison! It's funny...that 1st gen of Marshall amps were based on the tweed Bassman circuit (w/ Brit tube compliments), which Jim Marshall & amp designer Ken Bran geared toward Pete Townshend's wish for more power (and also resulted in the short-lived 8x12 cab!), but Townshend apparently didn't care for them much & only used them briefly (too much gain maybe?). Anyway, Johan's comparison here reveals the more high-headroom, somewhat closer to Fender-y characteristics of the Hiwatt, vs. the gainier sizzle of the Marshall. Great stuff!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks! Glad to hear it! Yeah Hiwatt is definitely more fendery than Marshall

    • @vayabroder729
      @vayabroder729 9 месяцев назад +1

      I believe part of the reason Townshend and Marshall parted ways was the amount of money Townshend owed Jim Marshall’s music shop for unpaid equipment that he had smashed at shows.

  • @bengtjohansson6364
    @bengtjohansson6364 9 месяцев назад +12

    Great character with all three SG, Strat, and LP together with Hiwatt. I understand why guitarist use those combinations. However, with LP and Marshall it feels just like at home (and with Strat and Marshall it feels like at home and experienced), just something there that's impossble to replace.
    Very good and very interesting demo, Johan. Thanks!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Bengt! Glad to hear it.

  • @robertthrockmorton3979
    @robertthrockmorton3979 9 месяцев назад +5

    Im a Marshall guy, but I love listening to Hiwatts. Check out the Kinks, One For the Road, great full bodied Hiwatt tone that tour.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Interesting, I will

    • @TwoWeekCowboy
      @TwoWeekCowboy 9 месяцев назад

      Another great Hiwatt album is the debut album by the New Wave band The Romantics...in fact, some of the clean things Johann was doing sounded sort of like that first Romantics album. Badfinger also used a Hiwatt on their song Baby Blue.

  • @siegfriedwashburn3484
    @siegfriedwashburn3484 9 месяцев назад +3

    Hi Johan! Hiwatt is more psychodelic! But I love Marshall! See you!
    S.

  • @johnmundt7834
    @johnmundt7834 9 месяцев назад +6

    Speakers are helping to make a big difference, but even through the same speaker I think we’d hear the Hiwatts with a little scoop while the Marshalls have that high mid bump, especially with greenbacks. Hiwatts as a blank canvas for pedals, Marshall with your volume knob

    • @vayabroder729
      @vayabroder729 9 месяцев назад

      The Fanes that come with Hiwatts are different from Celestions in Marshalls.

    • @johnmundt7834
      @johnmundt7834 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@vayabroder729 yes, that was the point I was making

  • @JAMEYSIMMS
    @JAMEYSIMMS 8 месяцев назад +6

    I love Hiwatt amps and Fane speakers. The first time I got to play a real Hiwatt rig was few years ago it blew me away. The highs were all sweet, not a harsh tone in the rig, perfect for a Fender guitar. I have a bunch of old Marshalls, can't go wrong there, but that Hiwatt was really special and a treat to experience, very different. I loved it.

  • @adam872
    @adam872 9 месяцев назад +4

    Alex Lifeson from Rush was a noted Hiwatt user back in the 70's. He probably got the idea from Pete Townhend, who he was a big fan of. You can totally hear why people use the LP into a Marshall. That is the sound of the 70's right there. I liked the Hiwatt as well, it's just different. Ideally you'd record both and mix to taste :-)

  • @DusanStanic
    @DusanStanic 6 месяцев назад

    Great job Johan, thank you! Two real classics tested in different contexts - combinations of instruments, tons, and riffs. For me, it is the Gibson R9 that shines with both amplifiers and combinations.
    Really impressive that you, despite your usual life activities, find time/energy and record, film, and edit all this ... Thank you again.

  • @cary67
    @cary67 9 месяцев назад +24

    Would love to have seen a cab switch here, with the Marshall going into the Fane loaded cab and vice versa. The character of the Fane speakers plays heavily into the "Hiwatt sound" - in my opinion. My first ever amp, back in '83, was a Laney AOR 30 combo that had a Fane speaker in it. Still have it. When I die, I'm hoping God will let me play through Gilmour's Pompeii rig with all those Hiwatt heads and WEM cabs.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +8

      That will be coming up. I wouldn’t mind meeting saint peter at Pompeii either 😀

    • @dustinparker9456
      @dustinparker9456 9 месяцев назад +3

      So would I. The biggest change in tone is the speaker. It’s where electrical energy transforms into acoustical energy.

    • @jeremythornton6090
      @jeremythornton6090 9 месяцев назад

      @@dustinparker9456Spoken as if I said it! Excellent!

    • @Tmidiman
      @Tmidiman 9 месяцев назад

      I’d like to hear that too. That would complete the comparison.

  • @markn4526
    @markn4526 9 месяцев назад +10

    Nice comparison. I'm a huge Marshall fan, but I also love Hiwatts. I have vintage examples of both...just 1 Hiwatt, as they are rare. I've always described the tones as the "Marshall growl" and the Hiwatt bark".

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks! Yeah they do indeed overdrive the tone in very different ways

    • @nrlohan4738
      @nrlohan4738 9 месяцев назад +1

      I think that could just be about the perfect sonic description I've heard yet. I'm gonna steal that ... but credit you for it.

    • @markn4526
      @markn4526 9 месяцев назад

      @@nrlohan4738 Thanks! Marshall and Hiwatt are the "big dogs" in the world of guitar amps!

    • @mattgilbert7347
      @mattgilbert7347 8 месяцев назад

      Growl and Bark is perfect.
      I also tend towards "punchy" for HiWatt as well, but classic Marshall tones are plenty punchy

  • @mattrector431
    @mattrector431 6 месяцев назад

    The HiWatt with the strat is my fave by a mile. The SG through the Hiwatt is great too. I really need to get a low watt one to put next to my marshall studio. great video!

  • @jcwm01
    @jcwm01 9 месяцев назад +2

    That Hiwatt tone is glorious!

  • @elStevobass
    @elStevobass 8 месяцев назад

    Two great amps each winning multiple rounds in this amp fight. Great video.

  • @yanmetcaluire
    @yanmetcaluire 9 месяцев назад +1

    Really love this clarity you get in the Hiwatt ! I can hear Townsend in some part of the "live at Leeds" at the beginning.... thank you, I just wanted to hear more about Hiwatt ... have a gret Christmas ;-) !

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Great to hear that! Merry Christmas!

  • @neilshenton1834
    @neilshenton1834 9 месяцев назад +8

    Woah! Best demo I've seen in a long time. Absolutely fascinating hearing the different sounds you get with the various combinations. Nice choice of copyright dodging licks too! 😉👍

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks, makes my day to hear that!

  • @adamwatson6916
    @adamwatson6916 9 месяцев назад +3

    Dont foget Page was a Hiwatt guy as well .His number 1 and number 2 amps from July 69 to to then end of 71 were 2 100 watt Hiwatt heads. They were Pre Dr 103 and had some customized specs requested by Page . In my opinion this 2 and a half year periid was easily Pagea best era for tone and playing as well .He switched to Marshalls across the board for live work In February of 72. He had Marshalls onstage along with the Hiwatts in 1971 but they were not his main Amps when he switched to Marshall his number 1 amp was a 1968 Marshall Superbass with 6550 tubes which was modded in the mid 70s for more clean headroom and he had 2 marshall super leads which were stock
    He didnt use Hiwatt cabs or Fanes though . He ran his Hiwatts through his Marshall 100 logo 1982 cabs with G12H30 55 Hz.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Interesting to hear about the cabs!

    • @littlebritain64
      @littlebritain64 8 месяцев назад

      No Supro? I think I have read it, somewhere...

  • @tomasoprodi9340
    @tomasoprodi9340 9 месяцев назад +2

    that's more or less the impression that I've always had playng both amps, and I unmistakeably lean on the marshall side, let alone that usually the 1959 would sound even bigger than the 87. Great video as usual btw.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks Tomas, glad to hear it!

  • @DMSProduktions
    @DMSProduktions 9 месяцев назад +6

    Both great amps. Not too different from each other but the HW has it over the Marshall for brightness and more clean headroom, but you WOULDN'T kick EITHER out of bed! Rockin'! \m/

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks man, yeah the Hiwatt has a beautiful definition. Super firm and crispy yet warm tone

  • @anthonyalfredyorke1621
    @anthonyalfredyorke1621 8 месяцев назад +3

    Many thanks for comparison they sound great , there's definitely no better or worse. Once you're at this level it's all personal choice, I always liked the Oranges of this vintage, but Brian likes the Vox's, but wasn't most of the Floyd stuff recorded on a small Fender? . Still once it's gone through a zillion pound mixing desk, using Neave pre's and speed up & slowed down & looped round again who knows especially when half of the tracks were recorded straight into the desk . But thanks again. PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.

  • @brianloy7856
    @brianloy7856 7 месяцев назад

    John, thanks for doing this a/b comparison. In fact, thanks for all your videos. I’ve enjoyed them all. While I’m not a huge KISS fan as an adult, I am an absolutely GIGANTIC fan of Ace Frehley’s “Alive” tone. God, what a perfect tone. Your video on chasing down that tone was excellent. This comparison was very revealing. It’s quite difficult to put our perception(s) of sounds, in this case amplified guitar tones, into accurate descriptions using words. As artists, we begin to use words that are not universally understood by artists and non-artists. Example - EVH described his early tone as “the brown sound.” Stop and really think about that description. To some of us it makes perfect sense. To non-musicians or even non-guitarists it’s likely “nonsense.” Anyway, I really enjoyed this comparison video. Two British amp giants and several guitars and several styles of music. I saw Styx live in the “Crystal Ball” era and/or later on, I believe, and recall they were using Hiwatts and just coaxing a very wide range of highly musical tones from them. They sounded just phenomenal live. The same, of course, can be said for Gilmour in Pink Floyd. Are Hiwatts more versatile and produce more useful tones than Marshalls? The other thing that those of us that have played live at high or at least “higher” (than club level) stage volumes is that ALL amplifiers have different characteristics when played at arena or stadium stage volume level than rehearsal or club level. There’s more interplay between the instrument itself and the sound waves coming out of the speakers. I just hear more versatility from the DR103 and higher wattage Fanes. Having said that, I own a Marshall YJM-100 full stack but I do NOT nor have I ever owned or used a Hiwatt DR-103 or any Hiwatt. I think I need to rethink that. I do like my Fractal Audio Hiwatt patches and IRs. What do you guys that play through both amps think? I feel more towards Marshall JMP-100’s, 50’s and JTMs as “one trick ponies” whereas the Hiwatts sound more versatile.

  • @timcorbridge6772
    @timcorbridge6772 9 месяцев назад +1

    All combinations sounds amazing, however that Strat in particular just sounds ❤‍🔥👌
    Great demo Johan!

  • @psychedeliccarrie5921
    @psychedeliccarrie5921 9 месяцев назад +3

    Hiwatt has the Plexi mojo while sounding cleaner.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks, yeah indeed if they’re not put back to back the Hiwatt does indeed deliver the classic British tone in a more form and clean way

  • @Incountry
    @Incountry 8 месяцев назад +1

    I just never liked the Marshall tone for my own use, nearest I ever came owning / playing was the 30th Anniversary BlueStack 3 channel back in early 1993 …. HiWatt wasOk, but decided on a Ampeg V4 full stack, 12 tubes powering this thing, I was the most hated person in the neighborhood, too damn loud..!!
    Now it’s only Carvin Belairs last two decades and Bedrock Amps..

  • @GuajoloteGonzales
    @GuajoloteGonzales 9 месяцев назад +2

    The Strat with the Marshall sounded really good, i guess that you used the "normal" channel instead of the "bright" one, as it gave the Strat the body that it needs. Great demo!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks! Yeah I used the normal channel jumpering some slight highs from the lead channel to it

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 9 месяцев назад +1

    Both sounded good, yet very different. Robert Fripp (King Crimson) also used a Hiwatt. Thanks for the audio tour of these Amps and how they sound with different guitars/pickups. 😎

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks, glad to hear it!

    • @psychodelicrock12
      @psychodelicrock12 9 месяцев назад +1

      So did Steve Hackett and Mike Rutherford during the Peter Gabriel era of Genesis as did Greg Lake and Keith Emerson during ELP 70s era.

  • @jayartz8562
    @jayartz8562 9 месяцев назад +4

    Both sound great, sounds like the Hiwatt has more NFB, it would be interesting to swap cabs to hear the difference.

  • @SB-qi7mv
    @SB-qi7mv 9 месяцев назад

    I may be biased but the Marshall/Les Paul combination just sounds like Rock N Roll!

  • @misterjj
    @misterjj 8 месяцев назад +2

    The Les Paul through the Marshall hit me straight away although I really like the LP through the Hiwatt too. For me, the ideal tone would be to blend the two for a fuller sound which retains the classic crunch but still has the open, lifting Hiwatt sound.

  • @thebrysmith3
    @thebrysmith3 9 месяцев назад

    All Them Witches guitarist Ben McLeod recorded his guitar parts through Hiwatt amps during the recording of their 220 release Nothing But The Ideal, and his tones are amazing.
    Oh, and they recorded at Abby Road.

  • @digthisbigcrux
    @digthisbigcrux 9 месяцев назад +6

    It would be interesting to see some comparisons of both heads through the Green Back cab and both heads through the Fane cab.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah we’re definitely gonna do that soon

    • @hoboroadie4623
      @hoboroadie4623 9 месяцев назад

      I am going to do some speaker comparisons this year, as I obtain my own Hiwatt and Marshall units. Finally got to this point in the budget, 😅 I already have most of the Fane action covered, but testing always starts with the EVMs.

    • @joelab9222
      @joelab9222 9 месяцев назад

      I’ve plugged my ‘71 DR103 into many Marshall cabinets. They all taste a little different, but they’re all awesome. There have been times when I wish I had a vintage Marshall cabinet instead of my ‘78 Fane-Loaded Hiwatt cabinet. Mainly because they weigh about half as much. 🤣

  • @cheffredheurtin3456
    @cheffredheurtin3456 9 месяцев назад +2

    I used hiwatts for years amazing tone!

  • @josephbenz4913
    @josephbenz4913 9 месяцев назад +2

    Johan doesn’t have furniture. Just smaller amplifiers to sit on.

  • @harrykadaras9459
    @harrykadaras9459 8 месяцев назад +1

    Methinks that the Marshall sound is spectacular...but the Hiwatt is Heavenly

  • @jerkerjansson386
    @jerkerjansson386 9 месяцев назад +1

    Being a big Pink Floyd fan that strat + Hiwatt sound is pure magic!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Jerker, great to hear that!

  • @SgtSteel1
    @SgtSteel1 9 месяцев назад +2

    I prefer the Hiwatt, it's more open. Both sound good though.

  • @billdanner7694
    @billdanner7694 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the video.
    I think another approach would be to switch up cabs with the different heads. Greenbacks are known for their lower, woody tone, and would like to hear the Hiwatt through them.

  • @Funkybassuk
    @Funkybassuk 9 месяцев назад +3

    How about a follow-up where you run the Marshall into the Fanes and the Hiwatt into the Greenbacks, just to mess with everything?
    EDIT: that SG Special through the Hiwatt sounds very special indeed!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah, I’ll do that soon. The tone of the special is the perfect complement to a Les Paul Marshall

  • @davidf8749
    @davidf8749 9 месяцев назад +4

    For me, the HiWatt had the edge for humbuckers and single coils.There was extra top-end which you could roll off if you wanted a creamier sound. However, adjustment of either amp's tone controls would get you a great sound.

  • @charlesdouglass5333
    @charlesdouglass5333 9 месяцев назад +4

    I own that exact 1973 50 watt Marshall head and I am here to say that the Hiwatt sounds killer.

  • @diegomayfield4751
    @diegomayfield4751 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hiwatt sounds good . Reminds me of late 60's rock . The Marshall makes me think of KISS

  • @gib412
    @gib412 9 месяцев назад +3

    I am a die-hard LP>Marshall guy but that strat>Hiwatt combo seems to have that "My Generation" tone going on that I love! To me, the LP works with the Marshall and the strat works with the Hiwatt. Got to have them both.

  • @davidrodriguez6493
    @davidrodriguez6493 9 месяцев назад +4

    First time I'm so torn between two amps - and I'm a big Marshall guy. Both amps and speakers sound incredible. Riffage too 💪🏽

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks David! Glad you like it!

  • @sfdoyle
    @sfdoyle 9 месяцев назад +1

    Ah one the best demo of both amps and playing! Excellent Johan!!

  • @hyperluminalreality1
    @hyperluminalreality1 9 месяцев назад +1

    4:20...the Celestion Greenback is toothy and kinds bassy compared to the spiky clarity of the Fane Crescendo on licks. The Hives chords sounded more accurate on the Hiwatt. Same with the Floyd Breathe chords. Too bassy on the Marshall.

  • @cigarettesmokingman9471
    @cigarettesmokingman9471 9 месяцев назад +2

    When I and many others my age think of Hiwatt, its Duane Denison from Jesus Lizard that comes to mind first. Unlike a lot of the other Hiwatt users like Gilmour and Fripp, he didn't just use them as a clean base tone, he ran them dirty like you would a plexi. Rock and roll.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Cool! I’m gonna listen to Jesus Lizard on Spotify nu.

  • @area51pictures
    @area51pictures 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hiwatt is always my favorite. Now, of course, Marshall's classic as it gets. But Hiwatt is that special magic that doesn't sound like anything else.
    ALSO I LOVE THAT YOU LOVE THE HIVES MY SWEDISH BROTHER OMFG TICK TICK BOOM BABY

  • @heysahan
    @heysahan 9 месяцев назад +4

    to me, there hasn’t been a rock n roll band since the hives that have done it better, thanks for showing them love. both amps are 10/10, excellent video as always johann!

  • @robertkidd6270
    @robertkidd6270 9 месяцев назад +1

    Both sound great! Ive got a '73 marshall jmp and a '67 4x12 so its almost like having my rig demonstrated by a legend.
    Id still love to hear you try a THD Flexi 50 in Marshall setup ...maybe one day eh lol ..great channel m8

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks man that’s kind of you 😃

  • @adamwatson6916
    @adamwatson6916 9 месяцев назад +1

    We need a Page vs Page tone test .
    The Hiwatt era Vs the Marshall era .
    Royal Albert Hall 1970 tone vs 1972 how the west was won tone .
    Or live on Blueberry Hill tone in 1970 vs Listen to this Eddie/Badgeholders only tone in 1977.

  • @bottomkitchen250
    @bottomkitchen250 9 месяцев назад +3

    Tis the season for this comparison. Nice work Johan. It would be so nice if I lived somewhere that I could play through rigs like these. I'm actually lucky that I can even rock my little ac10. Some people can't even do that. Oh how I miss being in school and having access to auditoriums.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Yeah the room is a huge part of tone and being able to crank it up

  • @4vinylsound
    @4vinylsound 9 месяцев назад +1

    The Marshall sounds darker than the hiWatt and I expected the Marshall to have break up but why is the hiWatt breaking up it's supposed to be a very clean amp like a fender

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      The Hiwatt does indeed have much more headroom but I tweaked them to a similar gain level here

  • @publicnature
    @publicnature 9 месяцев назад +2

    I didnt know i was a Hiwatt guy, or at least those speakers!.... my favorite sounds are my wife's moaning and laughter and the Hives guitars live. I saw them in 2008 and to this day it remains the best concert of my life. Those guitars sounded greater than life, like fire sounds!! a sound ill never forget, i can't forget. It was 1 hour 20 mins of a constant explosion, commanding and dangerous!! Like animals throwing me to the floor...anyway, thanks for the vid!!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Yeah the Hives has such a brutal energy in their grooves and tone

  • @edwardjons8684
    @edwardjons8684 9 месяцев назад +1

    Strat with a Hiwatt and Les Paul with the Marshall. I’m disappointed to find a love the classic pairing - but it is clear from this that single coils get the best put of the the Hiwatt and humbuckers worked best with the Marshall. Glorious tones!,,,

  • @wrongchordsrecords
    @wrongchordsrecords 9 месяцев назад +1

    i didnt know the hives used hiwatt , that is def the sound !!

  • @wckoek
    @wckoek 9 месяцев назад +2

    The Marshall have a more compressed "compact" sound, aside from more clarity the Hiwatt sounds wider and have more frequency.
    I would pick Hiwatt for rhythm, Marshall for lead. If I were to pick only one, I'll pick the Hiwatt and stick a pedal in front of it for versatility.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks, yeah Hiwatt makes Strat, Lp and SG really sound like different guitars. On the Marshall they sound much more similar

  • @kyolookinfo1925
    @kyolookinfo1925 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hiwatt for single coils strat an p90 sounds superb, Marshall better for HBs and with a tube screamer is perfect sound. Hiwatt is an Hi-Fi design with mullards and partridge and takes pedals better. Both very nice, in the highest level this two amps

  • @xavierduraffourg499
    @xavierduraffourg499 8 месяцев назад

    I'm not a musician but I' am soon 68 years old and I' have seen a lot of concerts and listened plenty of diffferent kinds of music. All I am allowed to say is that Hiwatt is for me better for power chords playing than Marshall. But opposite Marshall is THE amp for hard and metal and even hard blues or boogie. Hiwatt has been largely also used by progressive bands such King crimson. In the same way, we could say that Acoustic Amps were mostly dedicated to fusion and jazz rock for instance. And Selmer and Wem the great contributors to the early days. Amps are however the way of the building of the identity and the power of sound. In this way we just can tell that different great compagnies have elaborated the great kaléidoscope of the music we love. Thanks also for this video.

  • @stevekuhn143
    @stevekuhn143 9 месяцев назад +3

    You did a great job with the video playing through each amp with different guitars and you can really hear the difference!! I like the Hiwatt better its more clear up top!! Fantastic video loved it!!!

  • @davidfutur4334
    @davidfutur4334 9 месяцев назад +1

    The Hiwatts is really amazone. More expressive. It's my favorite.
    Marshall is efficient in à different way.

  • @dangars_yt
    @dangars_yt 9 месяцев назад

    Hi Johan! Great video! If I understand it correct that the cabinet which you used with the Hiwatt amp is half loaded with two speakers and two holes are left open? If it so, I think the cab does not work properly as a closed back cabinet)) Probably, it causes that the half loaded cab sounds less compressed and similar to open back cab, rather than fully loaded cab (in this vid for instance). It would be interesting to see, how it sounds when fully loaded with same speakers, or just with the rest of the holes closed tightly with little sheets of thick plywood (maybe?) or will it do any difference at all)) Cheers!

  • @jusstinbb
    @jusstinbb 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hiwatt sounds kind of brittle, I would imagine it to be fairly unforgiving of poor technique...Great demo Johan

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Yeah Hiwatt is indeed less forgiving

  • @radimzouhar2492
    @radimzouhar2492 9 месяцев назад +1

    To my ears: best sound: Strat & Hiwatt with Fane Crescendos for me - more articulated, better mids, higher mids...

  • @mattthrun-nowicki8641
    @mattthrun-nowicki8641 9 месяцев назад +1

    For me, 100% Hiwatt, 100% of the time, no contest. That “kerrrrang” quality is magical.

  • @tomasjanostiak9524
    @tomasjanostiak9524 7 месяцев назад

    Headroom of a Hiwatt amp is legendary. Years ago I have built a DR103 "clone" (with quad of 6V6 valves in the output), cathode biased, it still amazes me how great it sounds. Still pretty loud tough :) nothing comes close to Hiwatt (for me)

  • @hyperluminalreality1
    @hyperluminalreality1 9 месяцев назад +3

    The Marshall almost sounds like a speaker is out of phase at 6:17 compared to the Hiwatt.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah there’s kind of a hole in the tone compared to the Hiwatt

  • @majwilsonlion
    @majwilsonlion 9 месяцев назад +1

    I'm a VOX user. Would love to see you add one to the comparison next time. Nice vid. Merry Christmas.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks! That will definitely come up soon

  • @kingpriapatius5832
    @kingpriapatius5832 9 месяцев назад +2

    Marshall sounds more rich. Hiwatt has more clarity and sounds as a DI.

  • @markusfinkler9625
    @markusfinkler9625 8 месяцев назад

    For what ever reason I personally prefer the clarity of the Hiwatt. Not that I don't like the Marshall but ...
    Joan thanks for this super comparison of two historic Amps 🥰

  • @williamfoster4463
    @williamfoster4463 9 месяцев назад +1

    Both sounded great but my preference was the hiwatt think it gave better note separation and definition with all guitars

  • @ShawnRogers-v8y
    @ShawnRogers-v8y 9 месяцев назад

    I believe the bassist George Rice for High on Fire on their album " surrounded by thieves " used a HIWATT 400 watt amp stack ! Amazing bassism !!!! Also HIWATT w/early Entwistle , The Who , great Bassism !!!! Alot more Lemmy on
    his custom MARSHALL super bass MURDER ONE and his earlier super bass stacks !!!! Many more !!!! All hail the great English amp company's !!!! Don't forget ORANGE voice of the world , and the MATAMP fury !!!!

  • @slowfinger2
    @slowfinger2 9 месяцев назад

    Best Hi-Watt rig I ever heard was a strat playing through a 100 watt head sitting on a Traynor (now known as Yorkville) bass reflex (single 15 + horn- normally used as FOH PA.) cab. That guitarist from 1977 still regrets losing that kit, when I brought up the topic a couple of years ago. Stick a Mesa cab under that Marshall for really impressive tight tone that cuts a bit more.

  • @jeffware87
    @jeffware87 8 месяцев назад +1

    Hiwatt has more clarity but can sound pretty brittle. They're both voiced differently and do different things. For growliness I take the Marshall for sure but the Hiwatt has the clean tones I like better.

  • @Pezzomusic
    @Pezzomusic 9 месяцев назад

    I kinda dig the Hiwatt better. The Les Paul tone was incredible. The Fender as well. I had a chance to buy a vintage one back in 96 or 97 for cheep, but I passed. Damn mistake!

  • @eddieholmes3236
    @eddieholmes3236 9 месяцев назад +2

    You've got that Gilmour tone down Johan! Lot's of great combinations, but to me there's nothing quite yet a Les Paul into a Marshall.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks Eddie! Really glad to hear that!

  • @djfedezaza
    @djfedezaza 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Johan, i alwsys loved your videos. To me you are a serious reference point when it comes to peak guitar sounds. I often use techiques you discussed when i record.
    I just wanted to wish you a lovely christmas and a great new year.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks my friend, really good to hear that! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

  • @zosomoso
    @zosomoso 9 месяцев назад +1

    Zeppelin played with hiwatts on the 1970 tour. I always thought jimmy sounded best with the hiwatts in the Royal Albert Hall gig.

  • @rejuvenator8966
    @rejuvenator8966 8 месяцев назад

    Les Paul into the Marshall and Strat into the Hiwatt 👌

  • @russellesimonetta9071
    @russellesimonetta9071 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Watt were beautifully built amps. Gilmore used Fender twins at times on US tours!! He got his sound from petals through a very clean amp.

  • @kennethdarlington
    @kennethdarlington 9 месяцев назад +1

    Probably they would be perfect to mix together 😊

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Yeah I think so too. Complementing mids

  • @ThiagoeRenataMarin
    @ThiagoeRenataMarin 9 месяцев назад

    I would like to see the tests with the same speaker, which has a great influence on the results

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      That will be coming up too soon

  • @pillmuncher67
    @pillmuncher67 9 месяцев назад +1

    Both sound awesome, but to me, the Hiwatt sounds awesomer.

  • @PetefromSouthOz
    @PetefromSouthOz 9 месяцев назад +2

    Hi Johan thanks again. Excellent vid (as usual) showing how Guitars and Amps interact.
    I like the Hiwatt sound (it's clarity and tone) given what I play and what I like musically.
    Both do the trick depending on what works for people's sonic taste.
    Have a great Festive Season. Hear you in the next Vid
    Pete
    (Oh yeah also abig fan of those two Swedish Bands.)

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks Pete! Really good to hear that! Cheers

  • @RATTL3R186
    @RATTL3R186 9 месяцев назад +1

    I wish you would have swapped cabs for a comparison .Great.video as always .

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks! We’ll do that too soon

  • @giulioluzzardi7632
    @giulioluzzardi7632 9 месяцев назад +2

    Hiwatt with those 2 Fane speakers is a totally different sound, more natural and bigger treble. The Marshall is fantastic too but the Hiwatt user will be having more fun!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  9 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, you can strum and create cool rhythmic textures on the Hiwatt. In comparison Marshall needs to be played with power chords rather than full stringed chords