I wasn't insulting the owner nor was my comment calling out my interviewee in anyway. Its his choice and his bike. My comment was to the guys packaging and selling these premium bikes but only providing a clincher tire. If I were to buy a $20K bike, I was expecting it to come with at least a tubeless set up. Keyword: expecting.
@@OompaLoompaCycling to be fair, tubeless for road riding is pointless and pretty cringe. Stick to a clincher tire/traditional tube set up for overall practicality.
He's obviously joking, he even said so. He's keeping it light and not trying to insult the owner at all. I'm not tubeless on road, and tubes are better but this is such a tiny thing to attack the video about.
@@astrayagrarian For overall practicality choose Clincher tires. It's more easy to swap an inner tube on the side of a road when you get a flat. But if you want lightweight, best performance and more supple ride, choose Tubular tires. You also get some run flat security to be able to ride a punctured tubular tire on the rims. In case you get a flat while going fast downhill. The only con is carrying a folded spare tubular tire is much larger than a spare inner tubes. Since the tire and inner tube are sewn in together.
Your bike purchase should be something that you enjoy within your means. Props to the this guy for knowing his priorities. Now I'm looking at 10 years in the future where I can possibly get a dogma f for coins the price of this right now
The only pitfall to the Venge is that it's harsher than an SL7, allegedly. It is not obsolete at all. It's still one of the best frame available. Especially for a heavier rider that doesn't mind the slight weight difference between the SL7 and the Venge. Pinarellos are very nice but honestly all of these differences are just trivial differences in priorities. You have to understand what Pinarellos did when they developed the Dogma concept. It was about balancing frame rigidity and fork resonance for an "ultimate pro ride". Their aero bikes were completely different (see Indurain and Riis's TT bikes). In fact their original "aero" bike was used in 1984 from squashed steel tubes. LOL. Ridden to Olympic RR Gold. Specialized is a relatively late bloomer but there is no denying that they have some of the best designs right now.
Beautiful bike. Just look at the lines. Agreed with him, arrow bike do come with a more beautiful lines. Just feel that he had already spent so much on the bike, he should have just spec for better wheels, like the new Dura-Ace 60mm wheels which the hub is optimise for the new group set. 😀
If F12 in rim brake version available today will you still want it ? If yes will you still keep your venge ? and will you feel like a downgrade from disc brake to rim brake ?
Yes. Just to have a feel and be able to comment on how it rides. Curious about the dogma hype. I will have to sell my Venge and recycle that money to getting the F12 (I still think the prices of bikes and components are overly inflated now). Regarding the braking systems - I don't think it's a downgrade. I started off with rim brakes before disc brakes were even available on road bikes. In Singapore, its all flat and i don't need that much of braking power. I avoid riding in rainy days. I have ridden rim brakes in hilly hills in Malaysia like Frasers, Perez, Bkt Hantu, Genting Sempah - no problem.
It's all small touches they made, but I like the looks of the new Dogma F more than the F12. Everyone goes for the red or the black on black colour scheme. If I was a dentist or owned a software company, I would have bought it in either white or the steel blue. It's like buying a Ferrari in yellow!😂
Flaw of this bike is the price tag which is true from the value perspective. This superbike caters to diehard pinarello fans for heritage and prestige, the rich hype cycle poser and the serious but deep pocketed rider who chiongs for better race results.
I got my Dogma F a couple of days ago. It's a great bike but at this pricepoint I was very disappointed by the fact you get no powermeter and no garmin mount. You have to pay the price for the bike, about $15.000, then another $700 for a powermeter and another $100 for the garmin mount. With the S-Works SL7 you get a powermeter... Come on Pinarello..
love my F12... had the 65.1, F8, F10, & F12... the F12 will be my last. I sold my S-Works SL4 after riding a 65.1 Dogma. It wasn't even close. will NEVER buy Spec again...
Why is there such an obsession in SG with using OSPWs..... Most of the data shown indicates that they are among the most marginal gain for the $$$. They don't even look good tbh. Sweet bike though.
The question I want answered is, what’s the Markup on these bikes? I’m sure it’s an obnoxious amount. I love bikes, but feel disgusted when I hear the prices manufacturers are charging these days and can’t help thinking the people who buy such bikes are morons!
used to work in a bike shop. markup from the bike shop to customer is ~20-40% . it depends on how much qty your bike shop can sell, bike shops that can sell big amts they get a better price from the distributor. in perspective its not alot, considering that shops need to buy on credit and that is a big risk. think about how many bikes dont get sold at the end of the season and then sit in the bike shop for years, or get discounted for like 30-40% a few years down the road. Bike Shops dont make alot of money.
pourquoi mettre des titres en français alors que les dialogues sont en anglais sous titré si rapidement qu'ils ne laissent pas de le temps de lires " grrrr! "
A lot of salty ppl here masking their poverty as prudency lol. If ya all can’t afford a pinarello just be honest la. Can’t afford one and then saying that you prefer “value of money bikes” just make ya all look pathetic.
IKR, i duno why so many salty people. people loaded with cash can buy anything they want, its their hard earn cash, not yours not mine. If it inspires him to go out to cycle and exercise why not? stop giving salty negative comments.
No doubt pinarello makes great bikes but it isn't for everyone. You are a bit over in this comment as I believe you do not know the background of everyone here. Further more deep pocket people don't all go for the pinarello as taste are different. A short history: In Italian cycling, five brands stood out and the old cycling enthusiasts named them 1 King 4 Queens and they are : Colnago (1 king), Bianchi, Cinelli, Gios and De Rosa (4 Queens). Pinarello was only considered to take the place of Gios recently owing to it's popularity and tour results.
20k bike is expensive but definitely not out of reach to many peoples as compared to car. End of the day is what you like and what make you happy. Of course there a peoples that are careful with their money and feel that 20k is better to be invested in something that will go up in appreciation.
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Very insulting to the owner with the question at 21.55 mark. Shows interviewer's stupid biases.
I wasn't insulting the owner nor was my comment calling out my interviewee in anyway. Its his choice and his bike. My comment was to the guys packaging and selling these premium bikes but only providing a clincher tire. If I were to buy a $20K bike, I was expecting it to come with at least a tubeless set up. Keyword: expecting.
@@OompaLoompaCycling it's just a clash of perpectives. Peace.
@@OompaLoompaCycling to be fair, tubeless for road riding is pointless and pretty cringe.
Stick to a clincher tire/traditional tube set up for overall practicality.
He's obviously joking, he even said so. He's keeping it light and not trying to insult the owner at all.
I'm not tubeless on road, and tubes are better but this is such a tiny thing to attack the video about.
@@astrayagrarian For overall practicality choose Clincher tires. It's more easy to swap an inner tube on the side of a road when you get a flat.
But if you want lightweight, best performance and more supple ride, choose Tubular tires. You also get some run flat security to be able to ride a punctured tubular tire on the rims. In case you get a flat while going fast downhill. The only con is carrying a folded spare tubular tire is much larger than a spare inner tubes. Since the tire and inner tube are sewn in together.
Your bike purchase should be something that you enjoy within your means. Props to the this guy for knowing his priorities. Now I'm looking at 10 years in the future where I can possibly get a dogma f for coins the price of this right now
This man has good taste because I also got my Pinarello in red because of Yowamushi Pedal 😆
Got started into road cycling cause of that anime HAHAHAH
That's a piece of art you ride. Also, an invitation to a gun fight, lol. Loved the answers to questions, very classy.
Interesting perspective, he keeps it stock so if he wants to change...it will be the whole bike haha...living the Golden Rule to the max
Finally I got to see and hear Max's F! Great interview 👍
The only pitfall to the Venge is that it's harsher than an SL7, allegedly. It is not obsolete at all. It's still one of the best frame available. Especially for a heavier rider that doesn't mind the slight weight difference between the SL7 and the Venge. Pinarellos are very nice but honestly all of these differences are just trivial differences in priorities. You have to understand what Pinarellos did when they developed the Dogma concept. It was about balancing frame rigidity and fork resonance for an "ultimate pro ride". Their aero bikes were completely different (see Indurain and Riis's TT bikes). In fact their original "aero" bike was used in 1984 from squashed steel tubes. LOL. Ridden to Olympic RR Gold. Specialized is a relatively late bloomer but there is no denying that they have some of the best designs right now.
"harsher" is the term used by WEAK poser cylists. HARDEN THE F UP.
What tire size, and is there enough clearance on your chainstay and tire?
Beautiful bike. Just look at the lines. Agreed with him, arrow bike do come with a more beautiful lines.
Just feel that he had already spent so much on the bike, he should have just spec for better wheels, like the new Dura-Ace 60mm wheels which the hub is optimise for the new group set. 😀
If F12 in rim brake version available today will you still want it ? If yes will you still keep your venge ? and will you feel like a downgrade from disc brake to rim brake ?
Yes. Just to have a feel and be able to comment on how it rides. Curious about the dogma hype. I will have to sell my Venge and recycle that money to getting the F12 (I still think the prices of bikes and components are overly inflated now). Regarding the braking systems - I don't think it's a downgrade. I started off with rim brakes before disc brakes were even available on road bikes. In Singapore, its all flat and i don't need that much of braking power. I avoid riding in rainy days. I have ridden rim brakes in hilly hills in Malaysia like Frasers, Perez, Bkt Hantu, Genting Sempah - no problem.
It's all small touches they made, but I like the looks of the new Dogma F more than the F12. Everyone goes for the red or the black on black colour scheme. If I was a dentist or owned a software company, I would have bought it in either white or the steel blue. It's like buying a Ferrari in yellow!😂
i like how the chain lines up with the pool
Interesting observation
The F stand for the owner himself ..Fausto
I think Naruko ride a Pinarello prince :)
Flaw of this bike is the price tag which is true from the value perspective. This superbike caters to diehard pinarello fans for heritage and prestige, the rich hype cycle poser and the serious but deep pocketed rider who chiongs for better race results.
I got my Dogma F a couple of days ago. It's a great bike but at this pricepoint I was very disappointed by the fact you get no powermeter and no garmin mount.
You have to pay the price for the bike, about $15.000, then another $700 for a powermeter and another $100 for the garmin mount.
With the S-Works SL7 you get a powermeter... Come on Pinarello..
what's wrong with DT swiss wheelsets?
Nothing wrong
Cute Sia!! 😂😂
Speed man of Naniwa !
Why oompa wana buy F12 rim brake? Not happy with ur venge?
I’m happy with my venge but N+1
@@OompaLoompaCycling N+2😉
what's the inseam of the rider we have the same height
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thanks!!
Maybe you should live your dream and get this frame 😎
Too expensive. Wouldn’t propel me to the podium if I get this frame.
@@OompaLoompaCycling u can afford it tho and be the lovely owner this frame
I don't think this bike will make you faster as compared to your Venge. When bike hit 8k plus, on the flat, it all down to the engine.
20k!!! I'm at a loss for words, in 5 years it would be worth 3K in FB Market Place, how do they justify the price?
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That's a real beauty
what happened to the last and final most important question?
Kinda gave up asking that question. Too boring
love my F12... had the 65.1, F8, F10, & F12... the F12 will be my last. I sold my S-Works SL4 after riding a 65.1 Dogma. It wasn't even close. will NEVER buy Spec again...
Why is there such an obsession in SG with using OSPWs..... Most of the data shown indicates that they are among the most marginal gain for the $$$. They don't even look good tbh. Sweet bike though.
What about the obsession with disc brakes in SG. It's a small, flat island. disc brake is not really a must-have in such terrain
pina aint my taste however i do agree, better a pina than a spesh
Your forgot to ask the last question? Why?😂
stopped asking the question - became too boring and predictable. less is more.
@@OompaLoompaCycling I thought there were other reasons. Haha.. Anyway, good channel and reviews.
Campagnolo wheels, everything else will look less on this frame.
20k bike without power meter, frickin rich people
people that buy these bikes usually cant put out any power anyways lol
Don't be too fast to judge.
@@seanlee8269 that’s still better that you on a poor bike yet no power either.
@@seanlee8269 are you delusional? where did this assumption come from?
@@bentan6218 I wasn't too fast to judge
Put your mask on.
The question I want answered is, what’s the Markup on these bikes? I’m sure it’s an obnoxious amount. I love bikes, but feel disgusted when I hear the prices manufacturers are charging these days and can’t help thinking the people who buy such bikes are morons!
used to work in a bike shop. markup from the bike shop to customer is ~20-40% . it depends on how much qty your bike shop can sell, bike shops that can sell big amts they get a better price from the distributor.
in perspective its not alot, considering that shops need to buy on credit and that is a big risk. think about how many bikes dont get sold at the end of the season and then sit in the bike shop for years, or get discounted for like 30-40% a few years down the road. Bike Shops dont make alot of money.
You say that, but the bikes you ride and feature are anything but what your namesake might suggest.
@@87togabito style doesn’t mean paying $15,000 USD for a plastic bike that’s had Botox in all the wrong places!
🤣 LoL this guy is rich 🤣 its about the money and status symbol, no BS stiffness, more aero and stuff 🤣🤣😂
pourquoi mettre des titres en français alors que les dialogues sont en anglais sous titré si rapidement qu'ils ne laissent pas de le temps de lires " grrrr! "
why do SG' cyclist seems like to put a "bulky tail light" on their bike ?!?
That’s the Garmin Varia with a proximity sensor.
By law we have to have a tail light :)
just like every road bike review... it is not focus on the frame... 🤬😩🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Nice bike. But his voice are so annoying (trying to act with American accent) quit half way
A lot of salty ppl here masking their poverty as prudency lol.
If ya all can’t afford a pinarello just be honest la. Can’t afford one and then saying that you prefer “value of money bikes” just make ya all look pathetic.
Even if I'm rich, I don't want a Pinarello.
If you were to ask my younger self, I'd say yes, but now, not anymore.
I’ll be honest here, I want one but definitely can’t afford one. I prefer value for money bikes 😂
IKR, i duno why so many salty people. people loaded with cash can buy anything they want, its their hard earn cash, not yours not mine. If it inspires him to go out to cycle and exercise why not? stop giving salty negative comments.
No doubt pinarello makes great bikes but it isn't for everyone. You are a bit over in this comment as I believe you do not know the background of everyone here. Further more deep pocket people don't all go for the pinarello as taste are different. A short history: In Italian cycling, five brands stood out and the old cycling enthusiasts named them 1 King 4 Queens and they are : Colnago (1 king), Bianchi, Cinelli, Gios and De Rosa (4 Queens). Pinarello was only considered to take the place of Gios recently owing to it's popularity and tour results.
20k bike is expensive but definitely not out of reach to many peoples as compared to car.
End of the day is what you like and what make you happy.
Of course there a peoples that are careful with their money and feel that 20k is better to be invested in something that will go up in appreciation.