John McDonnell calls out the UK’s complicity in Israeli war crimes in Commons speech
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Labour's John McDonnell raised a point of order in the House after a debate on Gaza, where he noted that the UK is still sending arms to Israel after the ICJ ordered the Israeli government to ensure that a genocide was not being committed in Gaza.
McDonnell asked for the Speaker to provide legal advice to MPs as to how they should conduct future debates on Israel with this in mind.
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That speaker can barely string a sentence together, let alone understand what Mr McDonnell is rightly asking.
Yes that is indeed shocking for a "speaker", sheeesh.
😂😂😂 clueless too
Westminster and Parliament in the hands of two hopeless speakers ONE MORE GO !!!!!! is she fit to be there NO
She did the dentist contract debacle.
She's clueless. Like most of the house.
John McDonnell is quite right in seeking independent legal advice and that it should be sought by the Speaker on their behalf.
If it’s important, a grown up will ask for it
I agree, but I will say it is far to late for that. They are already balls deep in this genocide, and it looks like they are trying to f***k their way out of it. They will all be charged individually and they won't get away with it, because their pocket legal system will be on trial alongside them.
She's clueless.
She is likely on Israel's payroll.
Exactly what I thought, fumbling about utterly clueless.
Keep in mind McDonnel is a supporter of Jeremy the terrorists friend?
She? I thought it was the pimlico plumbers bloke...
INTENTIONALLY clueless.
Asking the government to clarify their legal position on arms sales to Israel is like asking kids to mark their own home work.
The kids would be more honest.
@ billyandrew: The kids might not know the true facts, but the government does, and ignores them. Same goes for the leadership of the supposed "opposition."
A speaker who cant string a sentence together without 50 uhm's...perfectly sums up the situation
Absolute incompetence...the mother of all parliaments is a fool
Bought and paid off.
It is not incompetence. It is corruption
Corrupt woman 😅😅😅😅😅its a jokes shamefull she is6😢😮
We need a new Oliver Cromwell. Scrap the monarchy, the monarchist Parliament, and re-establish the Republic we enjoyed for 11 years back in the 1600s.
She doesn't appear to be aware of the International Court of Justice
She called it ICG, In stead of ICJ...
Israeli criminal Gang
She doesn't appear to be aware of much to be honest
None of them know very much!!!
Which determined absolutely nothing
The deputy speaker is as hopeless as the main speaker!
She took legal advice from one of the criminals enabling genocide and is not going to get legal independent advice PURPOSELY.
She had no control, just total chaos when Labour hijacked the ceasefire vote.
How is parliament meant to run effectively and efficiently when we have a speaker and deputy speaker like this? They’re more useless than a chocolate teapot.
this is so embarrassing
A big applause to the MP raising much needed review of both law and legality of arms sales in a matter that has already been considered as a "Plausible Genocide" by the highest court on earth.
MR John McDonell is a man with a good heart. God bless you!!!
Where is everybody???? And the deputy speaker is appalling
@djf1925 They're probably off doing their second/third/fourth jobs, the ones they weren't elected for!
The chamber is often quite empty as MPs have other duties such as those in their constituencies and various committees. You only see it full for votes and PMQs.
Down the pub laughing at us mugs
We need a Betty Boothroyd type speaker.
Thank you, John McDonnell, for standing for justice!!
She can't even string a simple sentence in English. Unbelievable.
that's what happens when you lie
What the hell is going on? You all call this deomcracy? You want the police the world and tell them to live in a democracy but before our very eyes we can see deomcracy is an hypocrisy here!!!
I'm not a native English speaker, but even I can speak better English than that woman.
"Obviously" & "ummm" is all I could hear...pathetic...
Deputy speaker needs to leave that i$ra£l lobby group as does the speaker.
the speakers father was one of the co-founders of labour friends of Israel
She referred to the International Court of Justice as"ICG"! Appalling ignorance for a deputy speaker no less.
She always tries to shirk her responsibillities
..but not a pay cheque
@SPY1987 "a turtle up a flag pole. ....", good one, I'm stealing that!😆
Does the Deputy Speaker just not understand the point?
She seeks to avoid accountability.
Sadly, I think she does, and this pathetic wriggling is the best she can do. Isn't it pathetic.
It doesn’t seem so , no.
The speakers in parliament seem to be biased.
That is undemocratic
Thanks for trying John!!!
Maybe John should get legal advice and issue a warrant for the government’s arrest.
😂that's the way to go. Seek your own legal advice. Trying to convince these puppets is hopeless. You just going to go around in square circles.
To a system that doesn't deal in justice, only revenue and protection rackets
if only to see them squirm some more.
Its sounds like the speaker doesn't know her own job...
The minister says it's legal so let's move on. A bit like racism then.
Or Rwanda.
Have Israel apologised though?
Apparently if it's gone on for over a week, 'we should move on'. 😐
@@RankinMsP Why should Israel apologise for anything. They never started the war the Hamas terrorists did.
@@SalvageMasterEssexThey did since decade's ago. A little bit of research will tell you the war was going on even before October 7
F***ing hell did she really just say ICG? Do you even know what's being talked about Madame deputy speaker?
Well said John
Good lord! This woman couldn't be trusted to make the best judgement as a lollipop lady, never mind as a parliamentary speaker!
Great to see John McDonnell standing for democracy & what the World believes. Rubbish standards of Speakership’s. Completely sold out & not up to par
John is brilliant, and a lovely man too. Nice one for him for attacking parliaments complicity in war crimes, I’d agree with him.
Yet John was perfectly ok with delivering speeches in front of Baathist flags from Syria and Iraq in Trafalgar Square - just prior to him and JC delivering the Tories a historic majority
@@angusgus123Irrelevant because he is correct here today.
Well said John love this man the speaker is useless
@@dianeglanvilleyou support terrorism too?
He is another treachrous sh house
Well said John McDonnell, perhaps the best chancellor of the exchequer we never had.
Such gross incompetence by the Deputy speaker, she's ducking the issue altogether and completely muddies the point. MP's need legal advice as parliamentarians whether they are acting within the law, regardless of what the government does. What a shameful response
John - “can you please do your job for me and others that work here”
Deputy speaker - “nah mate”
He may as well talk to the wind
But we saw. We heard. We now know.
You need to fire your legal team.
Why, after all they are almost certainly providing according to their brief.
She doesn't know is the answer.
Christmas she's worse than Hoyle
The deputy speaker is in breach of parliament, it is her duty to seek legal advice when requested by an MP
The speaker and deputy speaker are all a joke. They follow the rules when they want. The whole parliamentary system need serious reform.
Didn’t you hear what she said. She wasn’t given notice of the question so she was unable to seek advice on a legal point that he raised.
Well she has now heard the question three times and still hasn't agreed to obtain the legal advice for Parliament. A majority of the electorate want the supply of further weapons to Israel halted because of the ICJ interim Judgement. Since the Government is ignoring the ICJ; McDonnell's request is both justified and reasonable.@@suzann2531
The government are not operating by the law over the war crimes she is just as bad as the speaker
@@suzann2531 She misunderstood, he was asking for advice to be sought, she thought he expected to have that advice to hand, she was looking for help and happy to hand over the floor. It is worrying when the Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons can't understand a statement.
We haven't lived in a true democracy for a long time now.
Probably not since the first invention by the Athenians, even they understood the greatest threat to any Democracy is corruption.
“No.. umm.. the government says they’re.. umm.. not breaking the.. umm.. law. We should totally.. umm.. trust that they’re not.”
Is it not a slight conflict of interests to provide legal determination on whether or not you yourself are breaking the law!? 🙄
speaker is not a member of the "government" in its definition used in parliament, it specifically means the currently elected party. Weather or not the speaker is blatantly favouring the government is a whole different story
@@denism8494 Favouring a government not sure if it's ours though.
@@denism8494no, I know. I’m baffled by her allowing the government themselves to determine that they aren’t complicit based on their own legal advice.
Surely *that* is a conflict of interest and instead it should be independent legal advice.
@@LDN-pupindependent legal advice from the lefty courts that support HAMAS, yeah right
@@TowertripsWhat are you on about? What courts support Hamas? And you have the neck to call John McDonnell uneducated.
Watching an mp bitting his nails is very eye-catching while my thoughts and mind should be on very important issues
Please refrain whilst sitting on the front bench John MCDONNELL has made a most important point as Britain is complicit with war crimes
Deputy Speaker totally flummoxed and all at sea. As like for Rwanda, the Tories will make it 'legal'
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Wtf is ICG?
This lady is beyond in.ept.
International Court of Gustice
The world knows YOU ARE ALL COMPLICIT
"I was only following orders!" Hmmmm
The flaccidity of our democracy on full show.
She knows nothing!
Thank you John
Sounds like it would be too much work for her.
speaking of poeple that don't apper to be interlectually sufficiant
Brave man, actually the answer is obvious but somehow these days the truth became the ennemy of all administrations.
What is the point of her?
Part of d establishment 😂
To protect the government.
Good grief
This set of speakers are useless
They are
Worthless
The Woman is a Fart, literally of course
Who is she working for?
Looks like Likud
Good to see John McDonnell raise this in Parliament - and stick to his guns.
What a shower the UK political class is at the moment, on both sides of the house for their complicity in gaslighting the public and any sensible voice s
Well done John McDonald for raising the question.
Those MPs that continue to support this mass murder of the Palestinian people should be charged with being complicit in this crime against humanity. This deputy speaker is quite hopeless is hesitant and not fit to be in that very important position. If this is the best we can do in choosing these people then i fear for our democracy obviously most of these Speakers fall far below the standards required to carry out this important office.
That is your first mistake, believing we have a democracy when clearly we do not.
C'mon John, the government representative has told you that they're operating within the law, is that not good enough for you?!?!? As if the government would lie about it!!! 😂
The people of the UK believe the opposite to the government.
I despair
The govt follows the law....unless it's in a limited and specific way, relates to Rwanda, or probably many other ways.
Parliament does need independent advice, while the liars are in charge 🤦♂
Thanks jhon
Who is the lady of the house? She shuts everything down.
shes part of labour friends of israel. make of that what you will.
I guess anyone can get some legal advise as to the UK's complicity and involvement in war crimes and genocide happening by Israel in Gaza, as well as other instances of the UK's involvement, support and complicity in war crimes in other regions of the world. I would find it informative and helpful to see some legal advice on the matter. It may be naïve to expect the government or any individual or organisation that is associated with the government to be interested or enthusiastic to pursue this as it is very common for people in power to not be interested in the reality of their actions and the consequences of those actions and anything to do with emotionally connecting to what they are doing. Either way, I think that is an excellent suggestion for at least someone (or organisation) to get extensive legal advice on the matter and publish it into the public domain.
This is all very well, but haven't they just voted unanimously to break international law?
So what the Minister says, and the Speaker backs up (there's an amazing thing), is just nonsense, since they ultimately do what the hell they want, regardless of the law.
Oh but no. We saw. We now know.
The seats are empty because its not of their interests, if a debate about their own wages was on , the parliament would be overflowing
💯
MPs wages are decided by the IPSA, they have no say in it. The IPSA was set up in 2009 after the MP expenses scandal to remove them from the process to avoid internal corruption.
@@kevinsmarts9953that's not true at all.. they literally vote on their own pay rises.. still
@@CastleHassallUnless literally means not at all in any way, you are wrong,
@@CastleHassall Why not Google for yourself as you don't seem to want to believe what is factually correct ?
Complicity in war crimes🤣🤣🤣🤣you’ve started this crime in the first place from Balfour declaration in 1917 to this day!!
John didn't start it did he
Best go and dig him up then ask him. How can you blame politicians of today for what happened back then. Why can’t the Palestinians live side by side with Israel anyway without fighting.
@@suzann2531 ... The answer to that is simple .... Religion.
@@martinwebb1681 they lived in peace and harmony under the ottaman empire for 100s of years 😕😕😕😕
@@suzann2531why do countries have borders at all then?
what an appalling woman
Um , um , er, um😮
she is a tory that's why
what do expect from a tory
@@dianeglanville manners and education, something McDonnell can only dream of
@@Towertrips oh dear , a German named account like that , hating on left wing politics ... You haven't hid yourself very well
The question was too intelligent for the Deputy Speaker's level of education and experience, which is why she was struggling throughout.
Madam Deputy Speaker, it's not complex. McDonnell doesn't believe the govt claims that it's doing everything legally about Israel in terms of supplying them with weapons for war, especially since Israel's actions have been described as genocide by many. The ICJ has also said that it's plausible that the same country's ( Israel) action in Gaza amounts to genocide.
So, Mr McDonnell is asking for the speaker to facilitate the provision of legal advice for MPs in the House because MP primary role is to hold the government to account, especially when it seems that the government is breaking the law. I.e. Indirectly participating in war crimes.
There are already judged to be war crimes. If, an investigation is held, how far down the line will it go? Would individual MPs be charged for voting for what they believed given the information they had at the time? This is a serious issue, the prior judgement makes it so. It's entirely possible that suppliers will be held to account, private suppliers will ignore calls but governments can't do so that easily.
@@briangilligan6270if it’s found the MPs voting on supporting Israel could not have had a reasonable belief in the legality of such actions due to the prevalence of evidence to the contrary i.e the ICJ rulings then yes it’s possible for them to be prosecuted for collaboration in war crimes.
Blindly pleading ignorance isn’t a get out clause for most criminal offences especially where there has been clear evidence to contrary. Otherwise no one would ever get a driving ticket again, people would just claim they thought what they were doing was legal at the time. Courts generally find ignorance of the law is not a permissible defence and especially so when it comes to international laws against war crimes. Huge numbers of Germans for example were successfully prosecuted for collaboration despite them claiming to have known nothing about the Holocaust.
@@maxpowerii7368 Well said, it is shocking that so many people find the actions of the Israel government are not illegal yet condemn other governments for similar crimes. I accept that what Hamas did is awful but The response of of Israel is so over the top to be unacceptable to the rest of the world, Apart from China and the Russian state,
Not exactly exuding a sense of urgency is she.
MADAM: THIS IS YOUR JOB. Sit down, stop wittering on and take note of the request.
The deputy speaker needs to focus on fixing her itinerant stuttering before trying to direct proceedings in Parliament.
Oh dear, the speaker is stuck.
She comes across as even worse than Hoyle
She's only there for d money and poewr
So is the record!
i s r a el i s a p a r ia h s t at e
If politicians break international law, how can we hold them accountable?
People can refer them to the Police as long as the government does NOT try to place the Police under Home Office rule. The Police are independent and should remain so. Braverman wanted to change this as she disliked the Pro Palestine Marches. If under the Home Office that free speech would have been silenced. The Police were capable of doing their job and that should remain. How could a Politician be charged with a crime if Politicians are in control of Police?
Same applies to voters. Voters allow those in power to commit atrocities by voting for those powers.
Some direct correlation to the Rwanda policies should be drawn as a way to illustrate the illegality of what the government is doing. It can then be argued that legal clarification absolutely needs confirmation since it has been shown the government is lax in establishing legal framework.
Receiving funds or gratuity from any source to bow to the will of a foreign power would make a politician an agent of that foreign power and consequently a TRATOR to the king and country.
Excellent point made
So she wants maybe a hundred MP's to put in expense claims for separate legal advice for the same thing. Does not seem a good use of tax payers money, barristers do not come cheap.
All part of d club it's only taxpayers money doesn't cost them a penny
Which actually might make the point that needs to be made, especially if they can show they tried to expense it to their party and their party HQ declined. They have the administrative power to do that.
I’ll help you out. You’re absolutely complicit. The only question is whether any of you will stand trial for it.
Thanks for your opinion. Can I have a large fries with my burger please
@@Towertrips as your lawyer, it’s my job to give legal advice. And as your doctor, I must say you’ve already had too many fries.
@@ibrahim.1606but as my car washer, you’ve missed a bit
@michellenorris8471 so lefty … racism is your go to defence for anything even with no evidence
They should stand trial. Be imprisoned if guilty. No-one is above the law including Politians and Civil Servants. NO-ONE
All the Law Offjcers
Turned War Officers
Police and thieves in the street scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition
What sort of 'rule of law' is the British government operating regarding arms sales or arms gifts, when at the same time its Foreign Secretary pretends to be 'concerned' by the massacres of women and children in Gaza?
Great coverage, thank you
A deputy speaker who struggles to put three words together without hesitation. And MPs and the public are meant to believe that this Tory government is listening to and obeying legal advice... when they tried to defend Boris etc al with a defence of not understanding COVID laws.
That’s what we are dealing with nobody is prepared to admit to breaking the law.😡😡😡😡😡
John McDonnell asked a clear question. What isn’t clear is whether the Deputy Speaker didn’t understand or didn’t want to understand. The MPs need legal advice on what their responsibilities are to avoid complicity in Israel’d likely genocide. It ain’t that complicated.
Anyone remember these words?
"it being clearly understood that NOTHING SHALL BE DONE which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"
Covering their butt's so they don't get sued separately
Courts have frequently disagreed with the government on legality!
She is stumbling to cover the govt and not actually dealing with a reasonable and proper request.
Good bloody question.
Respect to John McDonnell
It doesn't matter what we do , what clever questions we have. The system is designed to stop us from gaining any level of influence
Why only now?
Well said John McConnell! About time someone highlights this incredible issue
This is actually comical, fair play to him for calling it out
dear god Chucky in the chair !
The request was clear from the first time. The speaker played on words to dodge the issue. Shame.
golly, she is what every dictator dreams of when they need an official to respond to queries. It is right that every member of the house has legal responsibility to do what is within the law and that obligation is distinct from that of the government who also has its own obligation under the same law. however, members cannot just rely on someone else to discharge the responsibility which is what she is saying asking members to rely on the government's legal advice. the court will not allow members to parcel off their respective individual responsibilities just because they can rely on the the government who says "trust me". There must be proper independent advice sought and relied on in order to discharge the members duties and obligations. What democracies and rule of law?? BS going on here.
I feel sure that JohnMcDonnell is a honorable man who has no interest other than the welfare of his fellow man/woman and upholding the law. I wish we had more like him.
We did have more like him, but they were hounded out, and suspensions within the LP are ongoing. It is a travesty