19:30: That convection pattern is so pretty. Like, seriously, I'd enjoy watching a complete realtime video of that from the moment it's poured until the surface has frozen over. I think that would be both fascinating and mesmerizing.
With all the energy involved in processing such a small amount from the tailings of your machine... it's both a testament to the efficiency of the turn key system, and the price to assay high purity gold. That level of retention is amazing for mechanical separation.
Heat the cone mould to over 250 degrees centigrade mate. The interaction of cold mould to hot pour creates thermal trap points all around the cone mould surface that will hold onto heavy/precious metals. It can throw off actual essay weights and results.
A cool bullet mold, makes wrinkled bullets. I heat it by filling with molten lead and placing over the furnace. I'm sure he could hang it on chains over the furnace.
Interesting but I am sure it costs more to recover the Gold than it is worth. Why don't you use froth flotation to concentrate the Gold before smelting it? The way the old timers did even 100 years ago.
Thanks Jason. My first few attempts at smelting yielded the pure iron buttons that would dissolve in water or dissolve overnight like you show. I never thought of re-smelting or cupelling because I thought it was pure iron the way it just completely dissolved in water. But in hindsight I should’ve tried what you’ve done. Thanks again
Melt a batch of borax, pour it in a cookie sheet, let it cool, and crush it. TADA! Anhydrous borax! Thats how my blacksmith buddy does it for his flux anyway...
Install a food grater above that hook a bunch of wires to it some with lights in them a jucer under nieth it an place all that on the rear deck of a dalorion then flux it
I built an underground vault for a business. I used a 1200 sized concrete septic tank with no holes. I put a sleeve with holes in it then filled the tank with fist sized limestone. The wash water going in was so acidic that it would dissolve iron. After filtering through the rocks it was near pH 7.
Thanks again Jason for another fascinating experimental video.Just amazing to see what gold was locked up in the number 4 tailings,a large percentage of which would have been quartz.Henceforth you would have had to bring the smelt up to at least 1650 degrees celcius. I hope you keep bringing us out here more fascinating videos.
Hi ,thanks for the video, may I suggest heating you mold, it will help with the settling in the cone. And won't shock the dump. I always heat my molds before I do a dump.
Cool, so this was basically a proof on the prior video. I suppose the next step will be to figure out how to put a ball mill inline with automatic feed process before they get the table. Would you get any benefit from putting a roaster after the ball mill to kill of the sulphides before they hit the table. Crusher - Hammer Mill - Ball Mill - Roaster - Slurry Mixer - Table ??
hard to express how much I appreciate what you are doing and actually teaching here. I would also like you to add your ROI on these experiments and how that might translate to tonnage. It would appear that you likely spent at least $30 here (not counting time) to return $5 or less in gold. Again the effort is worth it for learning but for others Not on youtube - is it ever worth it?
I think it’s more of a test to see how much gold remains as a way of determining how successful his previous process was at extracting it, not for actually trying to get the gold from this. I could be wrong
Always enjoy your videos , seems like experimenting . But it also seems like reinventing the wheel ? Most of this should be already known by smelting for the last , what 100 yrs. , or at least many decades ? Again very interesting to reinvent the wheel , but after experimenting - wouldn't referring to already know info be a good added part ? Thanks again
I'm only guessing, but I think they're a smaller operation, compared to the big gold mining outfits, so he's experimenting for techniques with higher recovery rates. For him, every 0.01g counts, whereas a small amount of loss is acceptable for mining operations that pull up kilos of gold at a time. A lot of the techniques he's using (especially at this scale) probably wouldn't be economical for a larger operation (for this video, I'm guessing -- with two burners going -- he went through maybe $7 worth of gas, plus let's say an extra $1 or so in borax, all to pull 0.9g of pure gold off the original 4kg of tailings. So that's $8-$9 (not even counting the cost of his time and effort) to pull maybe $50 of gold. I think also this may lead him to process the ore finer to begin with: if he's getting this much gold from what is supposed to be the waste product off his turnkey system, then perhaps there's a way to tweak the initial process to gain a higher yield from the very start and not throw away as much.
Aw, you missed the dissolved oxygen popping out on the wee mould, well u didnt, but we did. Can u put that up next time u shmelt pls. To me its a little bit of magic. 😀👍🏻 Hello from Scotland btw.
My American brother, you did well, tried hard, worked hard, like,! have not tried a mixture of charcoal, ammonium nitrate and boric acid when melting metal, it's better this way...?😉
Hey Jason I'm curious if you warm up your cone mold before pouring and does that help keep the material molten and giving the more dense metals a better chance of dropping
Have you ever tried the way miners do in Australia, and dissolve the gold from tailings in a cyanide solution, then run the solution through carbon to extract the gold. (Or something like that. You'll have to google the exact process)? I'd love to see you experiment this on a small scale. 😀
Try this: Take a sample from the sacs. (Representative) 1000 g sample 1000 g Na2CO3 700 g borax 150 g litharge 10 g charcoal Smelt it and let cool it down (at room temperature) without water. Take de lead at the bottom and coppel it. You dont need to smelt 5 kg if the sample is Representative. You should put the lead when the copel is at 950°C , (not before). We usually melt with diesel furnaces. you would lose less temperature and it is safer. Good job Thank you Jason
You need to let the smelting pot drip until nothing comes out. The highest concentration of gold you let drip all over the place and stay in the bottom of your melting crucible. The molten material doesn't have enough convection current to left the gold off the bottom.
Where do you get your cone molds from? I'm having no luck finding them anywhere or do you make all your molds? If so, any chance you can post your mold plans?
Really interesting process. One question though. With raw gold at $62/g and you recovered 0.1g. I know it's an experiment and/or demonstration but considering all the energy, materials and time used it doesn't feel cost effective. Or did I miss something?
Thanks Jason 👍 Interesting tests. And a anhydrous borax shortage? What weird times. Iodine is also something hard to find now. Makes one wonder what the heck is going on. Smh
Huge trade deficits, raising import prices. Containers come in full from China, leave empty to China. Should be good for commodities in the short term. Specially gold and silver.
I’m just starting to get into smelting after finding a good amount of very small flakes and flour gold from sluicing in the uk but its still got a very tiny amount of 100/200 mesh quarts dust, crystals and afew dots of black sand here and there.. I was just wondering how I find the right mix of flux, borax or whatever else I could use for that kind of high grade cons?.. Would be very much appreciated if you or someone could point me in the right direction 👍..
flotation cells are pretty cheap and easy to set up. Im curious how much more efficient it would be to process some of the tailings with a flotation cell to remove the sulfides before then cupelling.
@@allenhammer7923 the basics though are you get the correct pH of the water, possibly add some chemicals to allow the minerals to be separated to be more hydrophobic, have something at the bottom to agitate the fines, and then bubble air through the mixture and scrape off the scum that floats to the surface. You set up the chemistry so only the minerals you want to separate become hydrophobic so they can stick to the surface tension of the bubbles and float to the top.
Don't you think that after firing, if you refined with acid, you would get a muche better result, and cheaper. Beside that you would also collect all other remaining metals, that would in term bring back some more money?
@@badboybubby7794 I hope he posts a video of how to make one, in that case! You can't beat a graphite mold with a hammer! ...Well, you CAN... but then you end up with a pile of rubble.
@@Alondro77 It's a pretty straightforward welding project. 4 equilateral triangles welded together with stand made of angle iron. Looks to be 1/4" steel plate, 8" triangles... bzzzzt bzzzzzzt tap tap tap & bob's your uncle..
I think you could have added potassium nitrate as an oxydizer and still used lead as a collector metal. My thoughts are no matte is good. Slag and Prill baby. Slag and Prill.
19:30: That convection pattern is so pretty. Like, seriously, I'd enjoy watching a complete realtime video of that from the moment it's poured until the surface has frozen over. I think that would be both fascinating and mesmerizing.
With all the energy involved in processing such a small amount from the tailings of your machine... it's both a testament to the efficiency of the turn key system, and the price to assay high purity gold. That level of retention is amazing for mechanical separation.
Heat the cone mould to over 250 degrees centigrade mate. The interaction of cold mould to hot pour creates thermal trap points all around the cone mould surface that will hold onto heavy/precious metals. It can throw off actual essay weights and results.
I don't know nuthin' and I thought heating the cone might make some difference . Great clip .
A cool bullet mold, makes wrinkled bullets. I heat it by filling with molten lead and placing over the furnace. I'm sure he could hang it on chains over the furnace.
Excellent, once again coffee and mbmmllc on a Sunday morning 💨💨💨🥴☕️
Bro I don’t know why I’m so fascinated by your Chanel but I am. Thank you for your videos! I really enjoy them!
Interesting but I am sure it costs more to recover the Gold than it is worth. Why don't you use froth flotation to concentrate the Gold before smelting it? The way the old timers did even 100 years ago.
Because he is experimenting.
From 19:20 to 19:56 - the natural kaleidoscope effect is mesmerizing!
You should be able to convert Borax just by cooking it at over 220°. I hope that's healpful!
Thanks Jason. My first few attempts at smelting yielded the pure iron buttons that would dissolve in water or dissolve overnight like you show. I never thought of re-smelting or cupelling because I thought it was pure iron the way it just completely dissolved in water. But in hindsight I should’ve tried what you’ve done. Thanks again
Iron doesn't dissolve In water.
Try leaching them right in the supersack bag with thiosulfate and a plastic kiddie pool underneath.
Ah, Chris. Fun to see you here, because I have watched many many of your videos. Great work!!
Oh, btw, what is thiosulphate?
Always love your videos Jason. As an educator I am glad to be learning more about pyrochemistry and the recovery process.
Melt a batch of borax, pour it in a cookie sheet, let it cool, and crush it. TADA! Anhydrous borax! Thats how my blacksmith buddy does it for his flux anyway...
Install a food grater above that hook a bunch of wires to it some with lights in them a jucer under nieth it an place all that on the rear deck of a dalorion then flux it
@@closed2459 Very good
Fairly sure his furnace is hot enough mate.
I also use this method to make anhydrous borax but its not as clean as commercially made
If he does all that he might as well just drive the water off in the smell like he does
I built an underground vault for a business. I used a 1200 sized concrete septic tank with no holes. I put a sleeve with holes in it then filled the tank with fist sized limestone. The wash water going in was so acidic that it would dissolve iron. After filtering through the rocks it was near pH 7.
Thanks again Jason for another fascinating experimental video.Just amazing to see what gold was locked up in the number 4 tailings,a large percentage of which would have been quartz.Henceforth you would have had to bring the smelt up to at least 1650 degrees celcius.
I hope you keep bringing us out here more fascinating videos.
Hi ,thanks for the video, may I suggest heating you mold, it will help with the settling in the cone. And won't shock the dump. I always heat my molds before I do a dump.
Ball mill is the way to go, I think you were right first time, best way to assay is with least loss and cost 👍🏻
Such great knowledge from you Jason!👍👊
Cool, so this was basically a proof on the prior video. I suppose the next step will be to figure out how to put a ball mill inline with automatic feed process before they get the table.
Would you get any benefit from putting a roaster after the ball mill to kill of the sulphides before they hit the table.
Crusher - Hammer Mill - Ball Mill - Roaster - Slurry Mixer - Table ??
That sounds like procedural thinking 🤔
Your videos have been a huge help to me Jason. Thanks a million!
Best go through my tailings better thanks Jason.
Great work fam. Keep the dream alive. Gold squad out!!!
@mbmmllc, was curious as to whether you've seen shortages of other materials and supplies?
Now that's a lava lamp! Great video, thanks for explaining as you go.
hard to express how much I appreciate what you are doing and actually teaching here. I would also like you to add your ROI on these experiments and how that might translate to tonnage.
It would appear that you likely spent at least $30 here (not counting time) to return $5 or less in gold. Again the effort is worth it for learning but for others Not on youtube - is it ever worth it?
I think it’s more of a test to see how much gold remains as a way of determining how successful his previous process was at extracting it, not for actually trying to get the gold from this. I could be wrong
Have you ever tried using a heat exchanger to reduce the amount of gas/propane you use by heating the inbound air with your exhaust gas?
Best cooking show ever!
You can cook your borax in a low oven to drive off the water content if you need anhydrous.
Do you keep your cupels? Curious at what point it becomes economical to process them into Fe, Cu, Pb, etc, maybe to sell at scrap prices?
Always enjoy your videos , seems like experimenting .
But it also seems like reinventing the wheel ?
Most of this should be already known by smelting for the last , what 100 yrs. , or at least many decades ?
Again very interesting to reinvent the wheel , but after experimenting - wouldn't referring to already know info be a good added part ?
Thanks again
I'm only guessing, but I think they're a smaller operation, compared to the big gold mining outfits, so he's experimenting for techniques with higher recovery rates. For him, every 0.01g counts, whereas a small amount of loss is acceptable for mining operations that pull up kilos of gold at a time. A lot of the techniques he's using (especially at this scale) probably wouldn't be economical for a larger operation (for this video, I'm guessing -- with two burners going -- he went through maybe $7 worth of gas, plus let's say an extra $1 or so in borax, all to pull 0.9g of pure gold off the original 4kg of tailings. So that's $8-$9 (not even counting the cost of his time and effort) to pull maybe $50 of gold.
I think also this may lead him to process the ore finer to begin with: if he's getting this much gold from what is supposed to be the waste product off his turnkey system, then perhaps there's a way to tweak the initial process to gain a higher yield from the very start and not throw away as much.
@@muyyek I agree in principle, but I think Jason may have his machine customers in mind before his own operation.
Enjoyed watching your video 👍😉
I loooove mbmmllc! Great job! Keep em coming!
I came to watch the molten mix freeze; wasn't disappointed at all ;)
Aw, you missed the dissolved oxygen popping out on the wee mould, well u didnt, but we did.
Can u put that up next time u shmelt pls.
To me its a little bit of magic. 😀👍🏻
Hello from Scotland btw.
Tailings here in the Philippines we use CIP or leaching process. 90% you'll recover the gold n silver.
How am I to know what CIP is?
My American brother, you did well, tried hard, worked hard, like,! have not tried a mixture of charcoal, ammonium nitrate and boric acid when melting metal, it's better this way...?😉
god that recipe sounds like fun if you add some sulfur
Hey Jason I'm curious if you warm up your cone mold before pouring and does that help keep the material molten and giving the more dense metals a better chance of dropping
Have you ever tried the way miners do in Australia, and dissolve the gold from tailings in a cyanide solution, then run the solution through carbon to extract the gold. (Or something like that. You'll have to google the exact process)? I'd love to see you experiment this on a small scale. 😀
Lol very dangerous.
Try this:
Take a sample from the sacs. (Representative)
1000 g sample
1000 g Na2CO3
700 g borax
150 g litharge
10 g charcoal
Smelt it and let cool it down (at room temperature) without water.
Take de lead at the bottom and coppel it.
You dont need to smelt 5 kg if the sample is Representative.
You should put the lead when the copel is at 950°C , (not before).
We usually melt with diesel furnaces. you would lose less temperature and it is safer.
Good job
Thank you Jason
Curious about your hard rock mine. How about an update? As always I enjoy the education.
i was wondering if you have thought about setting up a leaching system to get the last of the gold from tailings more cost effectively?
I just posted the same question. Most gold mines use it.
Jason my man, really enjoy your informative videos.
Good work Jason!
Thanks 🙏
✌️PT
Great knowledge, thank you.
Always enjoy your work👍
Cool molding!!
Looking forward to when you run out of smelting ideas and start directly extracting the ions from solution
You need to let the smelting pot drip until nothing comes out. The highest concentration of gold you let drip all over the place and stay in the bottom of your melting crucible. The molten material doesn't have enough convection current to left the gold off the bottom.
13:10 Will you be sending that slag off to be assayed? That's really the only way to know if the matte collected all the metals.
Spot on...👍✌️😎
Enjoyed watching your video
It would be nice to see a physical compare of from start of ore to final result. Also cost of processing.
Very cool patterns that molten slag makes
So you have to come up with a design that goes to a ball mill when you run your stock excellent video thank you two thumbs
should use the rigidifier for the lid. itll make it so it doesnt sag as much and will probably last twice as long
Love what your doing!!
18g to 1000kg is def worth milling I would think so if you add a ball mill after hammer then shaker table you should get it all mostly
Where do you get your cone molds from? I'm having no luck finding them anywhere or do you make all your molds? If so, any chance you can post your mold plans?
He clearly says he made it.
Really interesting process.
One question though.
With raw gold at $62/g and you recovered 0.1g.
I know it's an experiment and/or demonstration but considering all the energy, materials and time used it doesn't feel cost effective. Or did I miss something?
Thanks Jason 👍
Interesting tests. And a anhydrous borax shortage? What weird times.
Iodine is also something hard to find now. Makes one wonder what the heck is going on. Smh
Huge trade deficits, raising import prices. Containers come in full from China, leave empty to China. Should be good for commodities in the short term. Specially gold and silver.
yo wht do you do with your slag? It's so shiny and pretty
I’m just starting to get into smelting after finding a good amount of very small flakes and flour gold from sluicing in the uk but its still got a very tiny amount of 100/200 mesh quarts dust, crystals and afew dots of black sand here and there.. I was just wondering how I find the right mix of flux, borax or whatever else I could use for that kind of high grade cons?.. Would be very much appreciated if you or someone could point me in the right direction 👍..
Dan Hurd has some good videos on refining those kinds of things
How do we deal with an iron ore that has a good percentage of gold? Can you make a video about that?
Can you please guide me to get silver/ gold and some precious metals from copper coated
Coolest video I have seen this week wtg
Random question but would, running dampened material through the disc grinder, dry the material out through friction heating it?
The cone molde, shouldnt be pre heated? Would haver more time to preciptade the Gold?
Thought you would of done the Cerro Gotto float?
flotation cells are pretty cheap and easy to set up. Im curious how much more efficient it would be to process some of the tailings with a flotation cell to remove the sulfides before then cupelling.
Do you have a referance info on just how to do it?
@@allenhammer7923 that would depend greatly on the characteristics of the individual ore.
@@allenhammer7923 the basics though are you get the correct pH of the water, possibly add some chemicals to allow the minerals to be separated to be more hydrophobic, have something at the bottom to agitate the fines, and then bubble air through the mixture and scrape off the scum that floats to the surface.
You set up the chemistry so only the minerals you want to separate become hydrophobic so they can stick to the surface tension of the bubbles and float to the top.
Would like to know what is on both hands. Left hand palm by the thumb and the back of both hands?
You’re going to cupel a bead that’s already the size of a period!?! Good luck with that.
Will rice help to reduce the moisture in the borax.
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Is it worth it to crush all the glass and pan it out just to see if there's more hiding in there
19:20-20:00 is the best part.
This interesting, lot of work.
The mat probably turned to powder because it didn't really anneal during the cool down, so it turns brittle.
19:36 Like looking into the heart of the sun.
Excellent!
Don't you think that after firing, if you refined with acid, you would get a muche better result, and cheaper. Beside that you would also collect all other remaining metals, that would in term bring back some more money?
Is it worth doing it ? What’s the cost per gram to recover the gold ?
My current problem is getting my ore to pour that fluid. How long did this smelting process take? And at what approximate temperature?
Try pouring off some borax and reheating before you go for the cone mold.
Could i use egg shell ash as a substetute for bone ash
@mbmmllc do you sell dolly pots ( hand rock crushers an mallets to cruch with)????
What are you doing with all that slag that is left over?
Does it pay off in fuel and time?
What degrees does the gold smelt?
So is it actually worth it to do all this work for a tiny bead of gold? Or were you jut doing it for demonstration purposes?
How many kg of CN would you need to leach out the gold and silver?
Can you recover the bismuth the same way as with lead ?
Do you yield larger amounts or is it always so little
If you need some anhydrous borax let me know. I can still get it here in Idaho.
Is all of that really worth that small amount of gold?
Where do you get those pyramid molds? Those look to be the best for this sort of work.
He said he made it
@@badboybubby7794 I hope he posts a video of how to make one, in that case! You can't beat a graphite mold with a hammer! ...Well, you CAN... but then you end up with a pile of rubble.
@@Alondro77 It's a pretty straightforward welding project. 4 equilateral triangles welded together with stand made of angle iron.
Looks to be 1/4" steel plate, 8" triangles...
bzzzzt bzzzzzzt tap tap tap & bob's your uncle..
I think you could have added potassium nitrate as an oxydizer and still used lead as a collector metal. My thoughts are no matte is good. Slag and Prill baby. Slag and Prill.
What's this pyramid mould called I can't find one ?
Now take the bead & heat it on a flat surface and lots of borax it should give you a nice button bead of precious metals
Curious what you do with the slag after?
Is it worth going back to Brent underwood ghost town?
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