Rupert Spira vs Dogen

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  • Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2024

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  • @gurugeorge
    @gurugeorge 2 года назад +20

    He's a student (though not sure to what degree "authorized" as it were) of the Frenchman Francis Lucille (who also has lots of great vids online, in English), who was a student of Jean Klein, a Frenchman who was an early adopter of Advaita (1930s), and student of one Pandit Veeraraghavachar Rao, a scholar at the Sanskrit College in Bangalore. The distinguishing feature of the school is that its entry point is a philosophical investigation into what evidence we actually have for the idea or proposition that consciousness is limited and personal.
    Once (or if) one thoroughly understands that there is no good evidence for those commonly-held beliefs, the mind is then left in a state of suspense as to what one really is (it's no longer so automatically sure of the commonly-held beliefs it had), and a gap is opened for the direct experience of consciousness as unlimited and impersonal, and an option to try living as if it's unlimited and impersonal (again, as opposed to the previously-held belief) also becomes apparent.
    The school also has a mild form of quasi-tantric meditation on sensations while holding some standard seated yogic mudra postures, as an adjunct. This is because the school holds that a good deal of the automatism that keeps ignorance (of our true nature) recycling is driven by the _bodily_ aspect of the sensation of self. So effectively, it deals with both body and mind.
    Spira is an artist/sculptor by profession.

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +5

      Thank you! That's very interesting. I didn't know any of that stuff.

    • @gurugeorge
      @gurugeorge 2 года назад +3

      @@HardcoreZen You should check out Francis Lucille, any of his vids are good, I think you'll like 'em :) He's a cultured European gent (extremely smart, former scientist, plays classical flute) with a wry sense of humour and a no-nonsense teaching style, currently living in California I believe.

  • @thomaserickson568
    @thomaserickson568 9 месяцев назад +4

    Advaita Vedanta is my own chosen way and has been the greatest help to me in easing mental anguish, sorrow, depression, anger, etc.

    • @travisgunn343
      @travisgunn343 6 месяцев назад

      And because of that you are missing piece of the pie

  • @snudgegalbraith3447
    @snudgegalbraith3447 2 года назад +4

    "If you find the correct world this stick hit you 30 time"

  • @hugoburgin4762
    @hugoburgin4762 2 года назад +9

    Hey Brad, would love to see some commentary on Douglas Harding's ideas on what he calls the headless way.

    • @osip7315
      @osip7315 2 года назад +1

      he's just talking about our body image which modern brain science bears out, its a constructed image, that there's really nothing there, just constructions and in that sense , unreal, that what we call reality is not the "bottom turtle" we think it is

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +5

      I have his book. I started reading it ages ago. I ought to finish it.

  • @NicholasKlacsanzkyICM
    @NicholasKlacsanzkyICM 2 года назад +3

    It is another another part of the ego to say "I know and I know that" or "I figured it out."

  • @jethrobradley7850
    @jethrobradley7850 2 года назад +9

    When listening to Spira remember to set the playback speed to 2x

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +5

      I actually have done that!

    • @jethrobradley7850
      @jethrobradley7850 2 года назад +3

      @@HardcoreZen :-) In his defence, he is not the only neo-Advaita teacher who benefits from a little speeding up

    • @macrocosmicorbit3982
      @macrocosmicorbit3982 Год назад +2

      @@jethrobradley7850 Pretty much all of them , I remember Dr Robert Svoboda who I have so much respect for actually explain that Advaita Vedanta is what is studied at the end of ones path, once you have a real understanding of Hinduism, some of these new age Advaita teachers , well its clear to see its what they came across as the START of their path(s)

    • @mythicsin3083
      @mythicsin3083 Год назад +2

      That could be your essential problem right there…slow down and relax

    • @jethrobradley7850
      @jethrobradley7850 Год назад +1

      @@mythicsin3083 I preferred your comment with the swear word in it but you may well have a point. I shall meditate on it

  • @4kassis
    @4kassis 2 года назад +6

    you would be very safe recommending the teachings of Rupert Spira

  • @williamcallahan5218
    @williamcallahan5218 Год назад +3

    Instead of taking Rupert Spira's ideas and teachings out of context (like when he is talking to a lay person about emotional issues) maybe you should give some of his more interesting talks and interviews a peek? He has been in some challenging interviews over the years and I have never seen him break a sweat, falter or fail. Interviews with names like Bernardo Kastrup, Deepak Chopra, A H Almas, Swami Sarvapriyananda, Donald Hoffman, Sam Harris, Shantena Augusto Sabbadini, Rupert Sheldrake and that is only some of the great minds he has engaged with. He has proven himself an highly qualified teacher and a challenging intellect.

  • @jeffdocherty
    @jeffdocherty Месяц назад

    Tim Freke has made interesting criticisms of Spira’s view, they had a direct conversation and Freke has added more to his analysis.

  • @tegeuscromis8947
    @tegeuscromis8947 2 года назад +10

    Thanks, this went some of the way toward easing my worries that one day you'll pop up and announce that you've given up Zen and converted to Advaita Vedanta. :)

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +9

      I don't think there's much danger of that. Although I feel I may have to step away from Zen as a religious structure. I'm not sure how to put this. Which is why I haven't said anything yet. It's just that when I see how places like the San Francisco Zen Center and Upaya behave, and how the Soto-shu in Japan and in the US behave, I want nothing to do with any of that. I don't even want to be seen as being associated with it.

    • @dakinilover
      @dakinilover 2 года назад +6

      @@HardcoreZen Attachment to Zen, Advaita or any other identity is just an extension of the attachment to the ego. Instead of looking at the moon, you keep sucking the finger that points to it. Will there be a point in imaginary future when you feel like you gathered enough knowledge to make the plunge into the unknown and actually realize truth for yourself? Notice how you used the word "danger" when the idea of giving up Zen appeared. Who is afraid of giving up this identity? Ego is afraid because it sees it as death. Are you willing to sacrifice who you think you are to discover who you really are?

    • @alexarcospujades4095
      @alexarcospujades4095 2 года назад +2

      @@dakinilover Based.

  • @Tomas33392
    @Tomas33392 2 года назад +3

    Spira is nice. I would be very careful with Mooji though. Many people follow both but are unaware of the dangerous cult that Mooji has created. There is a lot of info online of survivors if you are interested.

    • @dbuck1964
      @dbuck1964 7 месяцев назад

      People should be more cautious about “joining up” with any spiritual groups. Or more specifically, what the urge to “join up” is really about within themselves.
      For people who go about and do these things, unconsciously, sometimes having what seems like an unfortunate encounter with a spiritual teacher, can also be the genesis of a profound awakening.

  • @rorysimpson8716
    @rorysimpson8716 2 года назад +2

    Fun video, and you got yourself a really solid outdoorsin' shirt. I spend a lot of time in the wilderness and that is a solid garment you got yourself there

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +1

      It's nice. I feel like I'm on safari when I wear it! I've actually been on safari in the literal sense. When I lived in Kenya we went on what were called "safaris." I'm not entirely sure how the word is defined by Africans. Because the safaris we went on felt fairly tame and safe. We were always in cars and staying on approved roads. They were unpaved roads, but they were established roads through designated wildlife preserves. But they called that a "safari." Maybe it just means "journey." I should look it up!

  • @Gaztronaut
    @Gaztronaut 2 года назад +5

    Nice tune. Kind of like Morrissey in fancy dress as David Attenborough channeling Roky Erickson via the medium of Julian Cope. Which is a sentence I'll wager nobody has written before. Arigatou gozaimasu.

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +1

      Thank you! High praise, indeed!

  • @thomasbarchen
    @thomasbarchen 2 года назад +6

    When I listen to Rupert Spira I hear some very articulate blah blah blah

  • @gabrielj957
    @gabrielj957 2 года назад +1

    You two could make a live! That would be really cool! Lot of interisting visions! I like Spira and now I like you. May you be happy!

  • @dbuck1964
    @dbuck1964 7 месяцев назад

    Dogen’s thousands of eyes was eerily well represented in my early experiments with LSD. It was sensed and somewhat seen by my peripheral vision, but anytime I looked directly at something the eyes would disappear. Also, a powerful sense of eternality accompanied their presence.

  • @ggyt7657
    @ggyt7657 2 года назад +4

    Brad, you‘ve studied Dogen a lot. As openly admitted in you video, you‘ve seen just two short videos with Rupert Spira. So what‘s the ground on which you compare the two approaches? What’s the point of doing such a comparison anyway?

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +3

      AS I SAID IN THE VIDEO, I am comparing the statements that I READ ALOUD IN THE VIDEO with statements made by Dogen and AS I ALSO SAID IN THE VIDEO I am using the statements by Spira as examples of what I see as typical of the approaches to these subjects in the Advaita tradition.

  • @simonherrera9373
    @simonherrera9373 Месяц назад

    What was I subjugated to in the beginning of the video ?

  • @SonamSangpo
    @SonamSangpo 2 года назад +1

    ah well for sake of some response, it seems that many layers of translations deep the actual difference between various schools of thought, even within Buddhism alone, comes down to subtle differences in how this existence is perceived ... cool vid

  • @daledheyalef
    @daledheyalef Год назад +1

    What is the title of the book you hold up at 17:48?

  • @markmerella3894
    @markmerella3894 Год назад

    Hi Brad, since you sometimes like to compare schools of thought I was wondering if you've ever looked into Hua-Yen Buddhism and what your views might be on it. I really like their take on dependent arising and there's lots of cosmic imagery to keep it fun and interesting.

  • @tweedandbriar
    @tweedandbriar Год назад

    Great Vid Brad! I have been wanting you to comment on Rupert Spira for a long time now, so thanks. One quick point. In terms of the Spira/Advaita's approach culminating in an experience of "...ah,. I get it now...", is that not similar to Kensho? Thanks again and love the shirt!!!

  • @dbuck1964
    @dbuck1964 7 месяцев назад

    Haha we are all constantly recreating ourselves from our mental afflictions.

  • @kraz007
    @kraz007 2 года назад +4

    I enjoy listening to Rupert occasionally, very relaxing and insightful. I'm not much of an advayta fan, but it helps me balance my views.

  • @WhoOneIs
    @WhoOneIs Год назад +1

    As soon as you thinking you’ve got ‘it’, it slips through your fingers. Zen understands this… Hence, Zen delights in grounded groundlessness and endless poetic expression.

  • @macdougdoug
    @macdougdoug 2 года назад

    As they (possibly) say in the Diamond sutra : if ya gonna dig emptiness, remember to grok that the teachings are also empty. aka : beware the teachings lest they turn you into a Buddhist.

  • @iansmith8783
    @iansmith8783 2 года назад +1

    Everything is basically eye-based.

  • @blackbird5634
    @blackbird5634 9 месяцев назад

    The ONLY thing you're missing is the little gold Inca ''airplane'' lapel pin, that ''proves the ancients could fly.''🤣

  • @joeg3950
    @joeg3950 2 года назад

    For a second, I thought you were wearing your grandmother’s necklace. Haven’t heard that song in a long time. I’m with you on that. Once someone issues a direct statement that appears as fact, the listener may attach to the statement as THE answer. Like you said, “I got it now!” That can be comforting. However, I feel that statement is a mirage in itself. We’ll never really know until we go through that gate ourselves. Working through I Am That right now - thanks for putting that text out there.

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +2

      It's my wife's necklace!

    • @joeg3950
      @joeg3950 2 года назад

      @@HardcoreZen Oops, my bad!

  • @wladddkn1517
    @wladddkn1517 2 года назад

    I think, what those advaita guys give their listeners is a fast cure for the dukkha of their's, because that dukkha consists of confusion. The guys give them a pill against their anxiety.

  • @thomaserickson568
    @thomaserickson568 9 месяцев назад

    It's direct vs progressive path.

  • @paulengel4925
    @paulengel4925 2 года назад

    a thousand eyes

  • @dr.jeffreyzacko-smith324
    @dr.jeffreyzacko-smith324 2 года назад

    Psychedelic Safari! ❤ Actually wanted to ask you about Spira for like the last year. He’s been “pushed” on me on Amazon and RUclips. Not strictly Advaita though … some of his background is seen as “neo-Hindu”. A lot of what he asserts has just been repackaged as far as I can tell. Personally I find Dogen easier to read.

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +1

      Spira seems sincere and genuine. I'm not sure how much of a deep dive I'd want to do with his stuff, though. I think he's good for his audience. Probably. He doesn't seem like a big phony, like so many others I've seen. Which is nice.

  • @wladddkn1517
    @wladddkn1517 2 года назад

    That advaita guy just says: your father didn't go anywhere, because his being here was just an appearance. Dogen said, after the Buddha: when fire gone, it is nowhere anymore, and the very question about where the fire has gone is dull.

    • @gunterappoldt3037
      @gunterappoldt3037 2 года назад

      Where did Dogen say that?

    • @wladddkn1517
      @wladddkn1517 2 года назад

      @@gunterappoldt3037 Dogen didn't say exactly that, but his words about ashes which never become a fire again are of the same meaning, I think.

    • @gunterappoldt3037
      @gunterappoldt3037 2 года назад

      ​@@wladddkn1517 Yes, I thought of this passage, too. However, for me, its exact meaning is not that clear cut:
      -- On the one hand, it sounds like Dôgen is arguing for something somehow like what we use to call "irreversible time", based on the basic assumption of entropy (Stephen Hawking), maybe even (unknowingly) harkening back to an early debate between Sarvastivadins (pro "fully realistic" past-present-future-matrix) and Sautrantikas (contra, i.e., pro "only the present, the present and nothing but the present" - which, in the strict sense, wouldn´t allow for any duration).
      -- On the other hand, there is the idea of the "dharma-place(s)", which rather reminds one of the holistic and somehow middle-way scenario (betwixt between eternalism and nihilism) of a world-view, which often uses, e.g., the "pearls" in "Lord Indra´s net" as simile.
      So, at least for me, the message regarding the basic existential condition of so called "being-time" is rather a "wavering" one; and I even wonder, if it was such for Dôgen himself, too.

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +2

      @@gunterappoldt3037 I should maybe do a video of my interpretation of this line. I'm not sure I have THE single correct interpretation. But I think it's an interesting line. I think you're basically right Günter. It's a nuanced statement. When I first heard it, I only heard it as "when you're dead, you're dead and you never come back." Which is, I think, one layer of what he's saying. But I think there are other layers as well.

    • @gunterappoldt3037
      @gunterappoldt3037 2 года назад

      @@HardcoreZen Oh, that would be great! Especially "Uji" is also a very interesting text, because being-time seems really basic, so to speak. Thanks for Your reply!

  • @betterlivingthroughfiction5110
    @betterlivingthroughfiction5110 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for exploring these connections, Brad. I've found several of Spira's books to be beneficial (along with your books). If you want to explore Spira's work, I'd recommend Being Aware of Being Aware for a short taste. Or The Transparency of Things for a more comprehensive look. One thing I think you'll find, though, is that Spira's books are really contemplations rather than narratives, arguments, or answers. Since the ineffable can never be contained in words, the value of such writing depends on what the reader does with it.

  • @davidmickles5012
    @davidmickles5012 2 года назад

    • Mind is the screen..
    • Images on the screen is the world of multiplicity..
    • Internet is the Whole..
    Where is the internet?Point!!!
    Internet only manifests as images on the screen - other than that there is no internet.
    Screen is the medium of images - without the screen there is no images.
    Wholeness manifests as multiplicity. Multiplicity is born of Wholeness.
    God exists and does not exist

  • @Eric123456355
    @Eric123456355 2 месяца назад

    Spira repeating hindu philosophy. Zen isnt philosophy. Dogen removing conceptual attachment , not any ontology. Philosophy is the way to nowhere(waste of time). Is harmful because only creates more attachments. Truth can be seen when are no attachments. That is why doesn’t make sense comparing them both in sense of what they talking about. Is like reading some hindu philosopher and practicing yoga of mind(Budha). 2 totally different things. Zen is removal of attachments, Body mind training or simply actualisation of our real nature which is beyond limited dualistic concepts. No concept is real.

  • @wthomas5697
    @wthomas5697 Месяц назад

    It's amusing that the guy has the temerity to comment on what happens after you die. The bottom line with these spiritual teacher types is that they're selling the same thing as every other religion. An "answer" to the problem of non existence. In other words, the fundamental fear. Fear of death. Total b.s..

  • @thejoemonica
    @thejoemonica 2 года назад +4

    Brad is weird

    • @thejoemonica
      @thejoemonica 2 года назад +7

      ….and it’s GREAT!

    • @SergeTaquin
      @SergeTaquin 2 года назад +3

      He is lost in the depths of Kali Yuga 😅

    • @edgepixel8467
      @edgepixel8467 Год назад

      Being weird is very common

  • @danzacjones
    @danzacjones 8 дней назад

    You must be the youngest looking 60 year old on the planet hehe

  • @osip7315
    @osip7315 2 года назад

    so basically rupert spira is a cosmo/panpsychist, very sanskrit !
    its still, imo a form of monotheism, there's a very overt underlying reality pulling the strings so to speak, my own view is more than unpalatable to these people, that there is no answer because there is no meaningful question and you can't go any further which i think is also dogen's view, his "roundaboutness" is not co-incidental, but part of the message
    explanation is a continually failing process, of course you may have to do that process and you might as well try to get it a correct as possible, but theologies and schema etc trying to rest in the cradle of fixation are retrograde
    this vlog has changed a lot, my haters have gone, those wannabe brads trying to take over the vlog have gone, the missionaries of other "teachers" have gone (especially the thich nhat hanhists . . . .
    what has happened ?
    maybe after a couple of years it did dawn on them that it is brad's vlog, and on the worst offenders, that the mirror said they were different
    of course thich nhat hanh dying and being cremated like that may have also caused them to enter the trauma of thinking about what they were doing?
    i think they always expected brad to step in and save them and their supposedly orthodox if insane views and its to his great credit he didn't, though why he would support these toxic intellectual freeloaders is anyone's guess

  • @GreenMorningDragonProductions
    @GreenMorningDragonProductions 2 года назад +2

    3:36 You're gonna spend twenty minutes talking about a topic/person you have absolutely no idea about??!! Well you're in the right place! Welcome to the internet - you'll fit right in ☺️

  • @martinolsen5040
    @martinolsen5040 Год назад +1

    Spira is boring.

  • @claireleamy3168
    @claireleamy3168 2 года назад +3

    The singing is shocking Brad. Please stick to the spiritual/Buddhist stuff in which you excel....

  • @chalie28
    @chalie28 2 года назад +2

    Wtf is that intro. I am cringing

    • @HardcoreZen
      @HardcoreZen  2 года назад +3

      Good for you!

    • @chalie28
      @chalie28 2 года назад

      @@HardcoreZen cringe

    • @edgepixel8467
      @edgepixel8467 Год назад

      @@chalie28 You’re on the wrong channel, boy.