MARVELS - Life in the Shadow of Superheroes
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2019
- How Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross' 1994 comic book miniseries MARVELS provides a realistic outsider perspective on the history of Marvel Comics and the idea of being a fan.
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What comic book do you think most defines what Marvel Comics is? I'd be interested to hear your answers.
Is there really a definite answer? Mostly Marvel is about the humanity of its heroes. You can choose a large number of comics for the title of the most defining one like Lee and Kirby F4, Clairmonts X-men, Lee and Ditkos Spider-man and so many more. For me personally it would be Remenders Venom, Dr Strange the oath and Lemires Moon Knight but I'm sure everyone will name something else.
This may sound cheap but it's probably the best answer I got. When Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko started out.
@@TonyTylerDraws and out of all of Marvel's Characters (even post MCU) Spider-Man is still the most iconic superhero of all time
@@kellenorourke2155 I second this
Spectacular Spider-Man No. 14. It still brings tears out of my eyes because it reminds me of what Peter Parker is doing putting on that costume
Spider-Man Blue
Ultimate Spider-Man introduction of the Ultimate Marvel Characters.
And Silver Surfer Requiem
Alex Ross is a literal god
Hell yeah he is
It sucks that he dosen't do more books.
@@cryojudgement2376I think he recently did a Fantastic Four series.
That kid at the end being Danny Ketch was the cherry on the top for me. Imagine knowing a kid who would grow up to be a living embodiment of the Spirit of Vengeance. There's something so surreal about that. All I'd be able to say is, "Damn."
That’s…Johnny’s brother right? The one that brought in the iconic fire chain right?
Marvels and Kingdom Come are both very good companion pieces. Through Alex Ross’ art and the perspective from a more average man, both are essentially more retrospectives on how these heroes have impacted the world in their own universes. I love both of these series equally. Great video once again.
Love it. Thank you!
Imagine Phil Sheldon(Marvels) and Norman Mccay(from Kingdom Come) having a conversation about superheroes
After watching the show “The Boys” I come back to love these stories where the heroes are truly good people. Seeing the normal people looking at these relics is great, especially when we know they’re here to help.
I agree. Also thematically, they’re both meta commentaries on comic fandom and the the ever changing state of the superhero genre.
Interesting analysis
I do love the last panel with him wanting his last photo be of normal people- and the kid in the picture is Danny Ketch. There's irony there.
Definitely. It’s like a big cosmic joke on Phil at the end.
I always adored Marvels. In a pre-comic book movie world, it made the Marvel Universe feel more tangible than ever before. I can't wait for the Epilogue to come out later this year.
Agreed! I feel like, even with the MCU, Marvels has a tangibility and reality that is still really unique. Very excited to see what they do with the Epilogue.
@@MattDraper The MCU makes things more believable only in that you see comic characters on the screen to me. THIS makes everything feel believable in realisticness to me with how it's presented and it especially helps to keep things in the time periods they occurred in with the correct technology being used and everything.
@@edward18517I agree… I dream of making Marvels into an motion picture in future. Surely would be unique and epic. Seeing the heroes from the perspective of an human makes it feel more realistic and tangible. Imagine the scale that the shots could create… epic and mesmerizing
I read the entire book in a day just because I was so into it. Alex Ross art design makes me believe all the heroes could exist in real life and Kurt Busiek is a fantastic writer. This story basically sums up the wonder of the marvel universe. Thanks for covering this story. This is one of my favorite Marvel comics.
I love the Matt Draper channel... I love the melancholy atmosphere...
I gotta say no one but Alex Ross could bring the vision of this comic to life, his Hyper realistic style really put you in the perspective of a news photographer.Right now with the upcoming sequel to Marvels I wonder who will be the artist if it was about our modern setting since Ross style is more suited to 50s, 60s, and 70s ?
Again matt shows why is he the best comic reviewer on RUclips: great script, incredible editing, and really clear and smooth recording voice. God bless you man. now am going to read Marvels again.
Thank you! Love that question. That's tough. Someone modern but not over stylized. Jim Lee is a decent answer. I'm a huge David Mazzucchelli fan, so maybe I'd go with him?
@@MattDraper Mazzucchelli is a great artist, loved his work on born again and year one but I don't think his art is suited for realistic perspective. Jim Lee is good but it's too comicbooky and 90s.
anyway I did search my collection and found some great choices you should check them out :( Stjepan Šejić, Joshua Middleton, Ben Oliver, and Stanley Lau). I Know they only do covers but it's the perfect balance between realism and style I could find. other than that Esad Ribic is strong contender because he did entire comics.
@@MattDraper any other Ross novels you rec?
Just wanted to point out something from the Danny Ketch cameo at the end of Marvels: He looks like he's no older than 9 or 10 years old. This scene takes place after Gwen's death, right around the time that the Jackal would start making the Peter Parker clones. Using the clones as a sort of time measurement, Ben Reilly says that he's been around for 5 years when he meets Peter Parker. By then, Danny Ketch had already become the Ghost Rider (for about 4 years in real time).
So in short, based on Marvels, Danny is already Ghost Rider by age 14 or 15. I dunno why, I just find that really funny.
Hahaha, fucking 14 year old kid, hahaha, still a cool comic though
I read Marvels as a teen from a copy that I borrowed from the library, I'd like to thank Mr. Busiek and Mr. Ross, because without their work, I probably wouldn't have become so enamored by the awe and wonder of Silver Age Marvel
this was exactly how I came across "Marvels"
I hadn’t thought about the Marvels as allegories for comic books. This might be your best video.
Same. This makes me want to reread the story again
I love how the mini sequel story to this rekindles Phil's awe for the Marvels in the newest edition, specifically when watching the all-new, all-different X-Men battle the Sentinels, tying together with his support of Maggie and the mutants
A story about a normal person's reaction to the superpowered world he lives in is interesting.
Having looked forward to this one since your analysis of Kingdom Come.
Well worth the wait.
MARVELS is one of my top Marvel Comics of all time, along with Born Again and God Loves, Man Kills (these 3 books are Art with a capital A in my book), and while I think it's a good idea if you were to make a video analysing the similarities and differences between MARVELS and KC, I'm glad you first did one where MARVELS got to stand on its own legs first.
Keep up the good work, Matt.
I agree, it’s a good thing that Phil probably didn’t live long enough to see the heroes of the 90’s. I did and it drove me from the world of comics. A world that I had been a part of for over 20 years, but the 90’s were so bad, that I gave them up and never went back. I keep up with the stories by checking out various channels here on RUclips but I just can’t bring myself to open an actual comic book. The 90’s were THAT bad.
I was born in 1990 and yeah, they're...pretty garbage. The art alone pales in comparison to things from the 60s and 70s.
Yeah well, what we've had since around 2010 makes the 90's look like the silver age. It's THAT bad, and it drove ME from the comics.
As someone that pretty much became obsessed with comics more recently and started with classic like batman year one and the original spiderman run from stan lee, what happened at the 90s ? What became bad ? I am not saying this to say i don’t believe you, i legit am interested to know what happened. I only read 60-80 comics and a bit of modern comics.
@@simondelisle9310 once they gave Superman a mullet I was outta there
U sound stupid as fck. Like genuinely
"MARVELS" by Kurt Busiek & Alex Ross. I finished this marvelous story with pleasure this afternoon, joyously reading it in one sitting, and I just have to talk about it! Truly blown away by the graphic novel, I simply couldn't put it down! The writing is consistent and keeps you intrigued the entire time. Following critical events in the marvel universe through the perspective of a photo journalist. The art is compelling, each page is eye catching, the writing is thrilling. An example of a masterwork in the comic book industry and in books in general. I recommend anybody give this story a go, for a true Blockbuster experience.
My Dad had a copy of it and I read the whole thing in a day. It was an amazing book to read
excited too see another draper video drop my man, def my favorite channel of late. youre going to blow up soon keep it up!
I'll love to see this adapted into a mini series, maybe on Disney +.
There's currently a radio drama/podcast being produced by Marvel and Stitcher. It makes some thematic changes and shortens the time period considerably but it's still an interesting take on the ebb and flow of public opinion while also giving a great look at superheroes through the eyes of the spectator.
The Halloween episode should be ruins
Incredible Analysis on Marvels. I find quite difficult to put just in words what this comic represents, it's one of those comics that truly makes me realize why I still read superhero stories even with all of the problems with chronology, mandatory titles, tie-ins etc etc. Thank you for doing this great and well edited video.
A loose adaptation of this concept is what I hope to see as the MCU's final film. A send-off to the best era of Marvel cinema.
Sadly, the MCU became a parody.
Me too! It's a great story I don't get it why they don't adapt this
@@naitsabes2683 it's hard when it comes to movies because some stars don't want to return and who knows how well it will do.
I really want to see this and it's dark counterpart, Ruins, to be adapted
Watchmen: a Realistic, Mature, and Mythical Story of Heroes Effecting our World.
DC the New Frontier: a Heroic UpLifting Story of Heroism that made us Believe in Heroes.
Marvels: an Experimental View of How we reacted to the Wonder of Heroes Living around us.
My High School's library had a few hard cover comics with two from Marvel one being the first volume of the Ultimate Spider-Man and the other was Marvels and whenever I got the time to visit the library like during lunch or a free period I'd usually read Marvels because there was something about it, it was mainly that it was a story not told from the POV of a hero like Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers but rather a normal man who lives his life in the Marvel universe.
That was a great look at Marvels, one of the most unique comic books I've ever read. A really good look at the history of the Marvel world (although, probably not the one that is currently canon) from the perspective of a normal person who deals with his own personal problems. Alex Ross' art works wonderfully here and his way of drawing superheroes - with focus on the realism and making their suits look like, well, tights - really fits the time period it's set in.
I'm aware that there's going to be some kind of sequel/epilogue to this story - I'm actually intrigued by what they're going to show in it, but I don't know who's behind it.
Now, there's a Marvel book that's the opposite of Marvels - set in a world everything goes bad and there's no hope... I believe it's called "Ruins". Have you read it, and if so: what's your opinion?
I barerly remember it, except that it was... weird and really gritty/dark, a bit depressing. No idea what was the authors' intend, to be honest, but it was a long time since I've read it.
Ruins is weird. I think it’s a joke trying to be as dark as possible, but I’m ultimately not sure what Ellis was trying to say
It's strange how the Eastrail 177 trilogy, one of the most original and unique superhero stories of all time, hardly ever gets covered on RUclips despite starting nearly 2 decades ago.
I love Marvels as a history of the company as much as a metacommentary about the average man's place when considering superheroism both internally and form our perspective. Just a great piece of literature.
I’ve heard the question passed around, about ordinary humans in the MCU reacting to how the normal world they knew has all but vanished by the time of Endgame. Marvels is the definitive answer to that, a view of an emerging world where men can become as gods and monsters exist around every corner from the perspective of just another schmuck.
that art is so charming
You need more subscribers man. I love your videos.
Love marvels, my favourite comic. The first book I bought myself and I bought it again having lost my first copy years ago, this year when I started building my own little library
One of my absolute favorites! Love the vid, man! Any thoughts on Astro City? I think you'd like it!
Thanks! I haven’t read it, but it’s been on my to-read list for a long time.
I really, really really, really adore Alex Ross' art-style. Also, really love your channel as well, Matt!
Wow, this is such an AMAZING VIDEO! Thanks for the great essay and turning the notch up on the genre by exploring comics in it's beautiful artistic form
I'm so happy you're doing a video about this. One of the best comics I've ever read, the sequel was also great
This is my all time favourite comic, ever! Nothing has top it yet. Loved your analisis, gave me a new perspective on the story
Yes! I love this comic, I got it for my birthday years ago! Thanks for this.
Having revisited it via your lovely video and astute commentary, I can see why I loved it.
While a kind of Alan Moore for beginners on the surface, in some ways, the artwork and sincere tone of wonderment is both touching and inspirational. In other words, it makes you wonder at what the world would be like if heroes were real. Just like a good comic should.
Glad you're back!!!
Had my eye on this one for a while. But first I have to get through Simonsons Thor, wich I just ordered because of your video!
Amazing video, so glad I tuned in for the premiere
Glad you could be there for it!
Dang Matt, I've pretty much seen all your videos and so far this is probably your best one yet. You just keep improving after every video which is rare to see in a youtuber. I always enjoy your content and also enjoy your intelligent script behind them. Keep it up.
Thanks! Loved you in Drunken Master 2, btw
@@MattDraper When are you going to make a video on me? Jk I should really change this name tho.
Just finished reading this comic. Phenomenal. I feel this is much better than kingdom come. I love how Spider-Man factors into it
Phil sheldon's life in 616 be like: 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Phil sheldon's life in ruins be like: 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
True and I hope he appears on the MCU
He also appeared in the Avengers game as a superhero/inhuman hater lmao
This is a top five comic book for me. Really grabbed me. Might even be my favorite.
Synthwave in the first video I check out of yours, lofi in the second? You really are a man of taste and culture! Cheers, mate!
God I love your damn videos so smooth keep them coming
Phil Sheldon gives new meaning to the camera never dies!
Amazing video. You are probably my favourite youtube channel. You will blow up soon! I’m telling you!
Damn this is a really good video thanks for making it
Thank you. Nuff said.
i love marvels its really awesome and a great book :)
Beautiful
I have an idea for a MCU special partially based on this. It would fallow Klev (a character already seen in Homecoming and Shang-Chi) as he sees different MCU events happen. The way it would go is that we would see through his camera (or phone) that he’s filming with different MCU events. The events seen would be:
HULK VS ABOMINATION
CHITAURI INVASION
CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER
ANT-MAN
DOCTOR STRANGE
AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR
AVENGERS: ENDGAME
… and so on. He would also mention different events like Iron Man’s party from Iron Man 2, Sokovia, Civil War and so on.
Yeah this book was a breathtaking read. A true perfect graphic novel in my opinion.
Thank you
Great video! I'll have to check this book out.
Thanks, man! It's a fantastic piece.
Love the channel
This is one of my favorite pieces of literature
Very nice!
Love this story
I've still got my copies read only once and in perfect condition. I'd love to get them signed one day...
I know we all love Matt's analysis, but can we take a moment to give notice to the amazing melancholy beats (and music in general) that he works in?
Thanks! It's all about making the music, voice over, and visuals work in sync with one another
Marvels remind of Kavalier & Clay so much! Deffo in my Top10 so thanks for this video!
Great book! The early 20th century New York focus on the dawn of comics definitely has a similar vibe.
Maybe this is the best story of marvel comics .
In my marvel universe series, the last media when it’s all done would be a adaptation of this.
We would fallow this reporter through the years as we would see some events again through his eyes.
I'm really hoping Kevin Feige thinks of creating a movie adaptation of MARVELS for the MCU, chronicling Phases 1, 2 and 3, with the Snap representing Gwen Stacy's death, and the movie Phil Sheldon's hope for the MARVELS shattering in the aftermath of the Snap. Just like in the comics, where the people praised and admired the superheroes at first, but after the victories they then think of them as an afterthought, so to would mirror the reality's view on superhero movies as amazing but after the Phase 3, sinking into the back of the mind as life goes on. It would be a great perspective between the Phase 3 and Phase 4, with the society as the main characters, and the stars (RDJ, Chris Evans, etc) serving in the background. I don't know about you but this would be one hell of an experience.
Sorry but the MCU no had the same magic and wonder that the Marvel Comics.
Can you do a video on Watchmen? It's the only comic book to ever make it into the 100 best novels list, it's widely regarded as the greatest graphic novel (sometimes comic book) of all time, and it literally launched the re-genesis of comics and saved them from the brink of collapse...It's a book that affects me as an aspiring writer myself and when I do become a comic book writer, I wish to save comics the same way Alan Moore did (lets be honest, people don't buy comic books or go to comic shops anymore...It's a dying industry and that honestly breaks my heart). So please, make a video on the book, it would really mean a lot bro.
Great video!
Please do one on dan slott and mike allred's silver surfer series!
Alex ross is the greatest artist of art ever
oh god the existential crisis is hitting me now
That Iron Man sketch is clearly Timothy Dalton!
I was going to give props for saying "hyperreal" instead of "photoreal" but a quick search reveals they're all but interchangeable in the artform. This is unfortunate because I feel like a lot of people who talk about Ross' work are muddying the waters a bit regarding terminology. My understanding is that it's basic realism. A photoreal painting would be nearly indistinguishable from a photograph of the subject, and apparently a hyperreal painting would be nearly indistinguishable from a high definition photograph of a subject.
As good as he is, and as hard as he works I don't think he has the time to do either.
Another outstanding entry! Please consider doing Sternako's Nick Fury.
Thanks! I've got a Steranko video that I'm hoping to do sometime this year.
Alex Ross is one of my favorite artists period
Id like to see you look at Rocket's solo series with Al Ewing and Adam Gorham. It seems like no one read it, but it was a six issue masterpiece of noir ation and filled with continuity references.
One of my teachers actually worked on Marvels as an editor...
Marvel Forever
Awesome video, would love to see you do one about marvel ruins.
What if marvels went bad.
Such a weird book! Definitely Ellis at his most cynical.
YAY
This was followed by Marvel Ruins. It’s only fair we have a third one focused on the hardships the heroes must overcome so we can have “rise, fall, and redemption”
I wish phil sheldon wilk get his own spin off movie in live action! Or MCU
I’d love it if marvel studios made a short docuseries with Phil as the main character
I feel so bad about the ruin universe after reading this😭
Some truly Fantastic stuff here, yes?
As for definitive Marvel issues, it's a little tricky to decide as you always tend to default to your own personal favourites like Busiek's 'Untold Tales of Spider-Man' series, or Dan Slott and Mike Allred's Silver Surfer run which was mentioned in another comment, or the Spider-Man/Human Torch series that Slott also did, but here goes nothing, eh?
Well, as much as I LOVE Spidey, Thor, Cap and all the rest, I'm an FF guy at heart; and while I'd love to fly around as carefree as Johnny Storm, deep down I'm more of a Ben Grimm kind of guy, and the two best Ben Grimm stories as far as I'm concerned are 'This Man This Monster' from issue 51 of the Lee-Kirby FF series, and 'In the Best of Families' by Karl Kesel and Stuart Immonen from the 1998 FF Annual, which explores a world in which the FF - and the rest of the Marvel Universe to boot - had aged in real time since their debut in 1961...
The former is, of course, an iconic all-time classic, while the latter is both a loving tribute to Ben Grimm and the FF, and a story which, for various reasons which we won't get into here, made the strongest personal connection of perhaps any Marvel comic to my own life. Anyway, enough of my ramblings...Excelsior!!!
I want Alex Ross to draw me like one of his French girls lmao
loooool
Upon rereading it, I guess there is a Superman cameo.
Any other novels with Ross on the art, i got marvels and KC, but i want more
@8:36 is that Rev Norman McCay (Alex Ross' dad) making a cameo?
Marvels is the one comic every Marvel fan should read at least once.
You should do a video on ruins
Spider-Man life story
Ever thought of doing a video covering the ongoing Immortal Hulk series?
Yeah, I love that series. I’m just not sure what I want to say about it right now since the series keeps evolving.
Seeing Philip sheldon happy to see a world of marvels he wanted makes marvel ruins even darker
It really does, one of the worst fates of the universe
You know, if pixar ever decides to make a marvel movie, they need to adapt this story. I don't know why but I think this is up to pixar's quality. Just get Pete Doctor to direct and it should be amazing
Fuck I need to read this comic this video makes me want to read it!!!
Alex Ross is the Bob Ross of comics
Needs more happy little trees
Personally, I want a fan made movie involving him documenting ever movie in the 3 phases of the MCU and have the eyepatch thing happened from Endgame
Hey Matt, I would like to know which program you use to edit your videos. I really like how you edit, greetings from Argentina.
Hello! I use Final Cut Pro X to edit video and Photoshop to prepare the images to be used in the video
@@MattDraper thank you very much dude. I really like your work and want to start my own channel. You deserve much more subscribers than what you have. Also it would be cool for you to make a video bout Hickman's FF run or Geoff Johns Infinite Crisis since both talk about love and family (or at least thats how i see it). Kudos to you man!
Tom Hanks should play him...
Optimus Prime totally agree!About T.Hanks(eh) and Marvel:there's also an fancast idea about him as Uncle Ben
Can you do a video on silver surfer requiem
Been thinking about doing some solo Silver Surfer comics soon!
Youe voice 💕