Everything went Wrong here... XMG Neo 16 with External Water Cooling
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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Outro:
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:22 Seasonic MagFlow (Advertising)
2:03 Hardware in the XMG Neo 16 (2024)
2:52 Cinebench R23
4:53 Is the cooling sufficient?
5:25 Gaming benchmarks
6:18 XMG Oasis water cooler
8:05 Software problems?
8:47 Cinebench with water cooling
9:39 Is that intentional?
12:00 Gaming benchmarks
12:29 A look at the water cooler
14:04 Something went wrong
16:05 Tests with new liquid metal
17:33 Test results in comparison
17:57 Interim conclusion
21:40 A few weeks later...
23:23 Summary/conclusion
25:46 Outro 
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Many thanks to Roman for testing and evaluating our new XMG NEO 16 with XMG OASIS (Mk2). In general, we welcome the constructive criticism and will incorporate it into the cooperation with our ODM partner. We would also like to thank you for the transparent cooperation, so that we were able to include a few statements in the evaluation at the end of the video (from 22:47) and without any particular time pressure (no pun intended...).
We would also like to comment on some of the points raised in the video as follows.
*1) Water connection on the OASIS*
The magnetic and double-sided self-sealing connection on the OASIS is definitely not the strongest link in the chain at the moment. This connection was introduced for the Mk2 at the beginning of 2023 and replaced the previous screw cap. The aim here was to ensure that the connections can be released quickly by themselves so that, for example, if the OASIS "falls off the table", the laptop is not pulled down with it. In practice, it actually holds quite OK, especially if you adjust and press a little after the magnetic connection. In any case, we will endeavor to improve this connection in a future housing revision and make it more robust. This will be a rather long-term project - we don't expect this to happen until 2025. We expect a sample of a new connector variant for Computex 2023.
*2) Profile behavior of the OASIS*
The video at 7:46 gives the impression that switching profiles does not work. It's true: the profiles only really have an effect under load, not when idle. The fact that the pump did start up occasionally was possibly due to rising CPU temperatures caused by the very frequent clicks and the communication processes via Bluetooth. We are taking on board the feedback that the software needs more explanatory texts at this point to point out these circumstances.
*3) Flow state error*
In the video at 11:09 the following happens: the OASIS switches off automatically if the hose is completely disconnected or any other interruption of the circuit (e.g. due to a defect inside) occurs. The fact that the OASIS does not restart automatically as soon as the hose is reconnected is intentional: the user should first be made aware that this (possibly temporary) interruption of the circuit has occurred before operation is resumed. We will add additional help texts in the software to better explain the behavior.
*4) Water cooling at idle*
In idle mode, the XMG OASIS fan and pump switch off automatically and then start up again automatically at higher temperatures. At 25:00 in the video, it is considered that water cooling with manual control would actually be the better solution for idle mode. In our opinion, however, this would only be possible if the OASIS pump could be better controlled. Due to the relatively small size of the pump, it needs a certain minimum speed to start up reliably. The current pump runs on 12 volts as standard and requires at least 5 volts for the minimum speed. At this speed, its noise would already overshadow the laptop's very low-speed fans (at idle). PWM operation is not possible with this pump. A larger pump would theoretically be desirable in a potential successor to the XMG OASIS (Mk2), but would be accompanied by a significantly higher system price and a larger case. In the current system, the laptop fans are definitely quiet enough at idle or under low load that water cooling is not necessary. It is also true that the idle temperatures of the laptop benefit from the connected water circuit even when the pump is not running at all. This is why our automatic control system switches the OASIS to standby when idle.
*5) Liquid metal on both sides*
We do not want to negate the fact that applying liquid metal on both sides would not help. On the other hand, applying liquid metal to one side of laptop components is already extremely effective, because this is always "direct die" cooling: the dies of the CPU and now also the GPU are much smaller than the heatspreader of a desktop CPU, which means that even liquid metal applied to one side brings a very big advantage.
The application of liquid metal is carried out by our ODM partner and is subject to different requirements than a DIY application: we use a metal mold that encloses the die. Inside this mold, the richly applied material forms a bulge that is quite thick in the middle. Once the metal mold is removed, there is a foam barrier around the outside of the die, which catches any excess material. The generous application can avoid possible air pockets, as we can work with high contact pressure without running the risk of displacing the material generously.
On the other hand, application on both sides carries the risk that in the factory, where a large number of employees have to carry out this process very frequently one after the other, accidents would happen more often, e.g. liquid metal coming off the cooler and dripping onto the mainboard before the cooler is fitted. This results in a balancing act between the practical advantages of liquid metal in notebook cooling and the fault tolerance and failure rate in the factory. We cannot further assess the differences shown in the video from 16:55 onwards after reapplying liquid metal without sensor logs with extensive, synthetic stress tests, as the gaming situation (PUBG) in the shortness of a Cinebench run may not allow a 1:1 comparison - in Cinebench, for example, the water temperature has a significant effect on CPU cooling under load. In any case, our ODM partner has deliberately decided against a double-sided application after its own before/after tests under the above-mentioned circumstances (amount of material, foam barrier, fault tolerance). The current method has been used in the XMG NEO series since the beginning of 2020.
Nevertheless, we will take up this point of criticism and take a closer look again at future direct die applications to see whether the factory-applied method can be further improved.
*Conclusion*
As already mentioned, we appreciate the detailed feedback and are also available here in the RUclips comments for any further questions and suggestions from the community. Please also refer to the FAQ articles on the XMG OASIS product page and the manual linked there.
// Tom
How no pwm tho?
i wonder if just putting 2 potensiometer (or just manual switch) will be a better solution. one for the fan and one for the pump.
External cooling had always been a nice idea but it seems to be just a bit too small - specially in regards to the tubing as the cooling benefits for having an external water cooler seem rather minimal. Wired control connection attached to the water-lines: With that there would be no need for bluetooth and both the unit and the laptop could easily detect each other.
But is there any mounting-points or support to mechanically attach the cooler to a surface or other things? It is the stationary part after all and rather than fearing it might fall of the table and having lose connectors to counter that i'd rather have it just clamped down. (in general i'd wish for a bit more secure connectors)
Re #5: You can clearly see that Roman's application of liquid metal to both surfaces improved the cooling. It kind of boggles my mind that you are trying to rationalize not applying it the way he, whose company makes the product you're using, says it's supposed to be used and which he clearly demonstrated the benefits of. So what if you think it's not always going to work better? It did here! Blaming it on your ODM is passing the buck, too. They work for you. Make them work better, it's your money that's paying for their work.
Your responses here are all very defensive and that's not productive or encouraging about your brand quality.
Instead of requiring draining why isn't there a rubber bung with small magnets?
That magnetic clip on quick connect is the scariest thing I've ever seen in PC water cooling. It should also include a data connection so they don't have to use laggy and unreliable BT.
Hear, hear! Very questionable design choices went into this product overall.
BT can be reliable.
Jokes on you, the next revision will switch the coolant lines to Bluetooth as well.
Just an FYI, when you end up doing the comparison between PTM7950 and LM you will need a couple days because when you first apply the pad it will perform on par with an average paste. The pad requires a break in period with heat cycles and holding time and then cooling cycles. On my laptop I would hit it with kombustor and cinebench for 10min before shutting down for the night. After one week the temps were VERY close to LM and stayed there.
If the FYI is to the audience, cool.
If it's to Roman, he literally runs one of the premier cooling paste/pad/liquid metal companies in the world. He knows.
Agreed. Desktop CPU situation.
I did build myself a DIY version after seeing XMG´s first approach to watercooling a laptop. Mine is totally DIY and looks like it but I made sure to have connectors that seal off both sides ( double closing pneumatic connectors for industrial use). In general I have some 2 cheap Amazon aluminium flat heat exchangers over the oem heatpipes above CPU and GPU, and aluminium backing plate pressing them down, two connectors as mentioned and a whole " Base Station" with a heater core from a van that fits two 200mm Noctau fans perfectly, reservoir is a big beer glass with a strong aquarium pump in it, liquid is just blue windshield washer fluid. Works great, the stock laptop fans never spin up with watercooling, the factory aircooling is fully retained. With watercooling the 12900 in my MSI GE67 never goes above 60C. I didnt do this for Cinebench runs, I did this to not hear the loud laptop fan noises, instead its just a steady humming from the pump.
But selling something like this to the public is a whole other scenario. For example releasing the liquid when not using the watercooler is important, as it could freeze or build pressure when the CPU hits 90C. I wished XMG would atleast a strong watertight connection, the most important thing in this setup!
That's awesome, what TIM are you using? Liquid metal, PTM or good ol' thermal paste?
@@GreatYamatanoOrochi Just good thermal paste. Before this project I was specifically looking for a laptop that had wide and flat heatpipes above the CPU and GPU, the MSI GE67 fit that bill. As stated above the backplate is replaced by a holed aluminium plate that loactes and pushes down two flat heat exchangers...
You gotta post this thing, I wana see it so bad!
@@TheRoarer I dont post anything. Iam just a german tinkering in his basement in order to have a silent gaming PC you can travel with. Its DIY and looks like it :)
Would love to see this home build if you decide to post it somewhere, sounds fascinating!
Glad I checked the video. Going by just the title, I thought that XMG Neo 16 was a dumpster fire of a laptop no one should buy, but it's actually not as bad.
Magnetic attachment for liquid is unsuitable where pressure even low pressure systems are running as it can suck in air through loose fittings. They either need to put a switchable magnet on with a much stronger grab or goto mechanical clamps, I dunno why they didn't go for quick disconnect fittings that have been used in industry for years.
I don't speak German at all but props to you for remaking the video twice to speak in your native language. 👍
Normal G1/4 fittings on the radiator side should be better. Plus, since the radiator is stationary, 240mm rad choice should be better
Roman is the man! Love your AM5 contact frame.
I just discovered your Channel and this the best (including Jarrod's or Gizmosliptech) review of an xmg laptop I have seen so far.
You pointed so many issues or potential issues with this.
Up untill now I was considering the neo 16 (2024) thinking only the screen is slowing me down in my purchass (according to Jarrod's rview the grey to grey is not good enough to have an effective 240hz and... I want OLED).
But now, I will really wait for your review of the next year model before going for it.
Thank you very much for your detailed and honest review.
we appreciate you doing the vid in both german and english and adding the cat content!
Good job der8auer!
Great critique!
I cannot _believe_ they argued with you about not applying the liquid metal to both surfaces. It's _your_ product! You know how to apply it best! Plus they could _see_ in the video that it improved performance! That's crazy!
Nice to see I'm not the only one that thought this.
I mean, I took their defensive tone as just a translation issue. Benefit of the doubt and all. To tell the person that made a product, thoroughly tested the product, then showed that applying it properly actually improved performance was just a little. . .ballsy, shall we say?
Yeah, like I think the person who makes liquid metal knows best.
None of you read response from the developer, explaining the reason why liquid metal was applied only on die side.. Response sounds resonable, their current manufacturing process doesnt allow for safe double side application ...
@@bojanmilovanovic747 Well, then stop using it. LM is established as a more risky TIM, and if you're going to use it in a shoddy manner that doesn't even fully take advantage of it then it's time to stop using it. The delta is effectively bringing it closer to regular TIM temps like PTM7950, so it's pretty amusing they're trying to defend it rather than just have them do it the right way.
Especially when we have seen in other OEM laptops that it's done properly.
@@bojanmilovanovic747 The extra tooling required would be pretty expensive and I don't think you could even manage it without fully sealing the required area then injecting the liquid metal in, to much risk to the board otherwise.
I find this very interesting solution, ofc it depends on the execution and the price. Good to seem at least the company tries to listen to the constructive criticism. Wish the success.
Once you have an external cooling unit, make it double the size to get the most out of it. It's not intended to transport. Also, 90º connector for the tubes as, at least in my use case, the cooler would be far and close to the back edge of the table, since at home it 'd be connected to a external monitor.
Also, why not secure the connector in the external cooling?
I like the concept and if I had to use a laptop I would consider one of these (with the issues solved and a bigger external cooler).
As someone who found you from your German channel. I can't thank you enough for doing English videos 😅
Whoa, you sent the video to XMG instead of making this a hit piece! Very respectable. I like this approach versus a certain holy-figure-looking individual. Actual tech journalism!
Really cool idea if it can be implemented properly.
Facts @11:43 😂
Edit: Yikes at the factory LM job later in the vid
Thank you!
Very cool. Of course there's (unexpected) issues when treading somewhere new. Love the cat content too!
definitely want companies to create watercooled laptops . performance compared to a tower desktop for the size is amazing.
Interesting concept with some niggling issues. I personally use a good cooling pad with my 13950HX MSI Raider 17 with decent enough results. Using a big fan, More secure connection, And better software controls and adjust-ability would make this perfect kit. Thanks derBauer and XMG for this review.
Cool vid and always great detail and views along with recommendations. I would like to see a more robust version of this for desktop applications to boost a AIO or in place of.
Hey there.. I have one the 12th gen Eluktronics Prometheus XVII units and it's worked flawlessly. I almost bought the 13th gen variant but I'm glad I didn't. I like the new water chamber on this unit. The water cooling connecter on the 12th unit was just a simple mechanical connection and it's worked great. Maybe the whole "magnets" route was unnecessary. The only drawback to the original system was the fan / pump noise. I would love to have the new fan/pump unit for my setup.
Thank you for the video.
Cheers
Rick
So glad I subscribed to Roman’s channel
Thank you for actually using pubg in your benchmarks for various combinations of hardware.
One of the only games that i play in my time off.
The cpu clock thing is an intel dedicated laptop soc thing at 16:35. clocks are reduced on the cpu if the gpu can't keep up with the cpu, that reduces power consumption and heat transfer to the gpu die. most laptops have composite cooling and power supply solutions, so whatever is loaded more than the other, the other therefore goes to a lower performance level to allocate more reasources to the one that absolutely needs it. Desktops don't do this of course, bc typically coolers are usually seperated, and the rails supplying power are seperated by the psu, or they may have multiple psus.
Tear down was interesting to see internal hardware
For something like this, it would be interesting to have a normal big radiator and pump mounted somewhere, maybe under the table on the back side (towards the wall).
Something like MO-ra3 360mm with D5 pump, let's see if Romain can do the separate test with MO-ra3 360mm and D5, definitely I would prefer it if I can use my own radiator and pump
Was thinking the same haha@@jurakerleha
The lack of power consumption on OSD is confusing you, I'm pretty sure it is because of limited power supply to the whole laptop, that after GPU drinking enough power, there's not enough than before for CPU to use.
External Water cooling is always interesting.
As if they actually tried to tell you what is acceptable with your own product...
Though, as a laptop user/modder, I have reworked several Lenovo Legion laptops from PTM7950 to Conductonaut Extreme and I have seen temperature drops of around 10c with IETS GT500 coolers and my own hand built coolers with 3 Phanteks T30s.
PTM is a great product for safety and longevity, but properly applied liquid metal makes a big difference. It can vary from laptop to laptop.
I took the Legion Pro 7 7945HX with PTM, which would see around 95/100c in CB23 sustained runs, swapped to CE, it was then around 85c with a RAM tune and CO... I saw 38k in CB23.
LM in laptops with good cooling and a tray can make a BIG difference. 5 laptops swapped from PTM to LM cannot be called a fluke.
Finally, some more proper content - cat content. Still what I signed up for!
“We didn’t add manual fan control because you could mess it up.”
Remind me again who owns the product after purchase?
LMAO what does that have to do with literally anything? How are those two things even remotely related? This is seriously some of the dumbest things I've read.
Yeah it seems they have over-complicated this so much by trying to make it foolproof.
While your point may or may not be true, the example you give makes no sense. By your logic, the user should be able to run their CPU at 12V because it's their product.
No, you have to limit what the user can do. Obviously.
@@ivangerginov5648 No you don't. Protecting people from themselves FORCIBLY is annoying and reeks of US culture. If you're stupid enough to raise CPU voltage to ~10x stock, feel free, but it's on you.
I feel as though the pump tubing should be permanently connected to the AIO, while having a small cubby to hide the tubing inside. That way, only the laptop needs to be connected.
Liquid metal in laptops isn't a problem until it is. My friends laptop died after LM breached through this foam... LM was factory applied, not by himself.
That's why you don't use foam, and why you don't let your friends buy crap.
this would be nice to have , i remember back in the 00s playing crisis warhead on my a laptop/ sudo desktop with battery it just couldn't quite keep itself cool , i put it on the carboard from the packaging with a hole under the fan intake to for more clearance and it was better , but having water-cooling when its in gaming is a very cool idea , shame about that connection though , id be tempted to somehow make a clip for it or something
I like the idea of an external water cooler on a laptop, but I think it needs better implementation.
No leak quick connectors would solve the leaking issue, but I don't know how small that kind of connector can get. The connector on the laptop cannot be airtight when the water cooling isn't being used or there could be increased pressure from steam that could break things.
The external unit should have a purge function that will push air through the lines in the laptop to drain it without spilling anything. It wouldn't have to drain every drop, just most of it. maybe use a pump that can safely run dry for a short time and have a valve to change it's input from the reservoir to open air. It could even do that automatically every time the laptop or external unit is turned off.
I left a like for the additional cat content 😊
Chill est orange cat I ever seen
why use bluetooth? you have to connect the water pipes anyway so why not have wired / usb control
yeah that's a really weird solution. Probably the cheapest option rather than making that middle pin that connects to the laptop some type of sensor pin or usb
For what it's worth, I find discrepancy between CPUID Hardware Monitor, and my PSU power measurements. Hardware monitor reports power consumption to be 10% lower than the PSU. It only has power in - power out measurements. The power supply is Corsair which has CORSAIR Link, which measures power usage.
@@watisapples No. ...........
Both CORSAIR Link and Hardware Monitor have have readings for power in and power out.
Oh boy *grabs popcorn*
Laptop overclockers are in tears,
Tears of joy
At this moment in time, when this laptop is a complicated mess of things, you are 100% better off with a mini ITX build in the same price range, which will give a lot more, and literally be as portable as this cacophony.
Laptop water cooling or whatever external additional cooling solution would be acceptable if it were affordable universal addon ( like 100 dollars to give it like a 50% bump in cooling and performance gain)
Can't go wrong with more cat content.
It's pretty impressive to see laptop CPUs competing with desktop equivalents. With an aggressive overclock, my 14700k will score ~37k in r23. And it does it while pulling twice as much power
Loved your 9900k OC when came up, I'm still rocking this CPU with a 3090, both water cooled, could you please make an updated video on this CPU, as I'm not convinced to upgrade yet
Thank you and keep up the good work
On the Bay Side there could have been 2 thumb screws like in the D-SUB (vga) or DVI ports. You can hang an entire mid-tower by the DVI cable if it's screwed in properly; don't ask how i know.
There must be a way to transfer heat from the laptop to the radiator without using water. Having to drain after each use is a no-go. I'm also interested in external gpus so maybe this could be an external enclosure with the gpu inside it.
Some testing on the PTM 7950 would be so nice from you
I'm really curious if they could make the external cooling unit completely self-contained and rely on direct contact.
Maybe have a tec pad bridging the heatsink to a metal section of the chasis, which is powered by the external cooler when the cold plate attaches to the laptop.
That sweet 2 FPS boost...
they need to use the displayport latching mechanism and also provide a latching cap for transport, you could probably have a combined cap and drain/fill tool
Wut? DP has the sh*ttiest latching of any connector that ever made it to full production. I'd beat the sh*t out of whoever came up with the DP latch if I had the chance, it's far worse than nothing. It's a badly fitting bastard brother of HDMI at best, I prefer HDMI over DP since HDMI at least is easy to plug in and out, DP will latch but NOT make a connection properly so often that it's automatic to assume it'll need to be adjusted every time almost. DVI at least had the screw things and was secure although anyone who's ever tried to pull a DVI out of a cable soup will know what is wrong with it.
Hi Roman, thanks for the fantastic video. A few thoughts though - for testing fps in PUBG, its best to not use training mode. I find that you get more FPS in training mode, though it also varies with the number of players in the lobby. Perhaps use a replay to test instead, for more repeatable results? Would be great if you could make a video just for PUBG tuning. I find issues with frame time consistency and microstutter even with a 7950X3D and 4090.
I had my case signed by you in a previous convention at LTT a few years back. Thanks for everything!
Still crazy to me that 2 takes are done for different languages.
That AI translated video was surprisingly good. Wonder how much time it would free up to only produce one video but use the AI for the other.
I just changed out to larger pc case and went to watercooler and another psu, was constantly getting the yellow light on bios, i eventually got my xmp 2 profile working, I was getting 100c on full load, I hadnt tightened waterblock with screwdriver and my ratio and voltages were to high, now I get 70c on full load with my delided and copper ihs on cpu.
On the inability to set a manual RPM speed for the fan and pump curve. They can have their presets but also have a manual profile where you can create a custom RPM curve for both pump and fan and when selecting the "manual" profile a warning can show up about if not set properly, they may experience high temps, Etc and maybe have it so the pump and fan can't go below say 20% for an example. Companies that say what XMG did show very little respect for their consumer base.
14:55 "Why'd you stop, human?"
I have the Eluktronics Mech 17 GP with a 12900h and 3080 and I have never used the water cooler with it and it will run games @ 60-70W on the CPU and ~150W all day long.
I meant 150W on the GPU if that wasn't clear.
Never enough cat content ^^
happy Eastern
I did external water cooling for laptops and 120mm rad is good for older hardware, for modern 280 or 360 is best. Currently I run i7 10870h without limits and 3060 with modded vbios to 115W and this is cooled by 360mm rad :) max 50 degrees celsius on both cpu and gpu in games.
Gracias.
I have never seen anyone mention seasonic fans prior to this.
14:17 I see the boss 🐈🥰is making the rounds and ensuring Roman is on top of things 🫡🤭. Interesting design ….. although sone tweaking of the connector on the pump end is needed imo🤔and a very good performing laptop indeed 💪😇👍
The reasons why it should be drained: frost protection and thermal expansion of water in loop in air-only mode. But yes, it's awfully solution for portable device
I have a first generation Eluktronics version. Disappointing to see that some of my major gripes have not been addressed. These inlcude the difficulty of filling the pump reservoir (very difficult to see the liquid level when filling); difficulty with draining both the pump reservoir and laptop while breaking the system down for travel; my Eluktronics has a rubber cover that fits over the laptop coolant port when the pump is not attached; the cooling tubes connect to the pump reservoir via thumb screw connectors. The unit is indeed very loud but still effectice. I have the Intel 12900H and 3080 and it keeps from thermal throttling. Software-wise, the pump reservoir doesn't always shut off when I turn the laptop off. I have to sometimes manually disconnect the bluetooth. Overall conclusion: happy with what I have; not encouraged where the new gen is going.
It looks like the aircooling part in the laptop is on top of the watercooler block part.
Is the aircooler performing worse when the laptop is drained because of less transfer of heat to the aircooler and also less thermal mass of the cooling block because it does not have water inside?
A user would never be able to handle this if it is so easy to get it to leak.
Judging strictly on some of the design choices, I'm a bit surprised XMG didn't attempt to connect the coolant lines with Bluetooth as well. Albeit I have just about as much trust in that magnetic coupling as I would have for Bluetooth coolant lines.
Hi just curious why does it say "werbevideo" in the corner? I googled a translation and it says "advertising" video, does this mean the XMG Neo was provided in exchange for the video? Great content as always. I love what you do and appreciate the time you spend making english versions for us ✌️
I would like to see a mini HVAC system plate to set the laptop on so it would blow cooler dry air up into the bottom of the laptop inlet vents with no mess.
Did you reapply the liquid metal to the south bridge? that looked like it had a really crappy application too :/
maybe the clocks weren't ramping up all the way because the southbridge was too hot... did you happen to check the temps on that chip too?
You should review the new MSI Titan 18HX. Up to 39000 in Cinebench and up to 240W for the CPU and GPU standard 175W.
Imagine this combined with something similar to XG Mobile
unfortunately you cant relay on pubg training mode for compare FPS because its depend for many options, people on map etc. better way you can run replay of one previous match for different tests. in that case you get sililar situations and get actual numbers.
13:55 are both surfaces properly wetted with LM?
Can you put the link for your discord sever in the description of the video, please?
7:55
well i want one that DOESNT need BT connectivity to work. i thought it just used the dc coming in after detecting a load or something
On the last run, there were no players on your screen, thus the cpu wasn't boosting to 5ghz as it didnt need to, and because there werent any players on your screen, you will have more fps. It wouldve been much more consistent had you tested it like the previous two runs
Yea, not using a better connection for the water tubes is both weird and kind of stupid. This is not a product for me, but I think it would be smarter to have just a little longer tubes so you can put it for example under the table, or like I did with my Alphacool AIO that was expandable. I was using a Fractal Design Node 30x back then and had it mounted on the wall and put the radiator in the window. I didn't have the cover on, on the chassis because of the short tubes. The window was not in the direction of the sun so it stayed cool even in summer.
Maybe the draining is necessary to avoid the water reaching boiling temperatures without the water circulation?
This is one of those videos where hte language barrier seems to be a factor, here I feel Roman should have written a script for the video.
Please obtain an abacus (w/o RGB) to tabulate benchmark results.
Don't know why people, factories want to risk destroying the electronics with liquid metal just for a few degrees less
What happens if say your cat or something knocks the stationary unit or the tubing and pulls it out?
Does it just leak out everything in the laptop side?
Was the Honeywell PTM applied to pch?
Draining laptop makes sense because you can disconnect pipes when the laptop is cold and when it heats up, the water will expand and leak
maybe it has also something to do with temps that you have to drain when not using the watercooling. the pressure might get too high when gaming for a few hours non stop .
Even with liquid metal thermal transfer is not 100% efficient, so in a worse case scenario where the CPU and GPU die are both sitting at a throttle temp of 105C, the cold plates and heatpipes would likely be at least 10C cooler than the components, assuming the fans are working as normal and the intakes are not blocked off. Also, assuming the coolant at least has propylene glycol as an additive (PG boils at 188C), the boiling point of the coolant would be high enough that I would not expect any pressure building up even during heavy loads.
That said, I also don't think it's an impossibility, but I imagine a lot of things would need to go wrong for residual coolant to end up creating a pressure vessel. You'd need to have fans that aren't functioning correctly and/or air vents blocked off, the CPU and GPU would be set up in a condition where they could surpass their thermal shutdown temp (probably 110-115C), and you would probably be running straight water with no additives. If the engineers behind this product are competent (questionable), then I'd imagine they know this, and the requirement to drain the coolant is for liability reasons in case this unlikely situation happened.
@@K31TH3R i know , but if people would be smart in general a manual would not be full of disclaimers. Also water doesn´t need to boil to build pressure.
@@K31TH3R they only ship it with distilled water so that's likely where they recommendations stem from, but even with PG preventing boiling the liquid volume inside the laptop could increase around 5% between ambient and full load conditions due to thermal expansion, not sure if there's anything they can do without adding some kind of internal compensation for that
Pretty cool concept. All the pain points could easily be fixed with some different clamping mechanism, a plug and some software improvements. But while cool, I would rather just not put a CPU that sucks up 200W+ in an flipping mobile device. That's already unreasonable for (non-HEDT) desktop. Just make a notebook with a 7945HX3D and safe yourself from all the headache.
If I didn't have to pay outlandish prices for a decent powerful laptop, I would hack it and custom water cool it.
Even before we get to see the leaks, my first reaction to the connections was, "That's going to leak."
I had an XMG way back.. The MXM GPU died and the laptop refused to use the iGPU, the laptop made an extremely loud ''peep'' like a fire alarm, and there is no way to disable it.. I hope they fixed this error on the more modern laptops of theirs.
The XMG-laptop would work fine with the iGPU.. but whole PC became paperweight when the MXM-gpu died.
Cat content is good content! You did well, too.
With this being marketed as a desktop replacement, I don’t understand why they are so shy about having a larger cooling unit. If it is not meant to be mobile, just make it as large as it needs to be to get the noise and performance benefits of water cooling. I had a large “desktop replacement” laptop for about 6 months. I flew multiple times with it on multi week business trips and it was terrible. The weight and size were so cumbersome. I now have a Lenovo legion go to travel with. I can’t imagine trying to bring this leaky mess with me.
I want fan control, mark.
I buyed argus monitor to have a decent fan controls on software :\
The asus software was terrible :x
If u want a gaming laptop then I dont understand why they are so slim. I mean thickness is not that important anymore, and it being quiet and still having good perf is the most important factor. For instance I had the org g14 and albeit I thought the perf was phenomonal as it basically was almost as fast as my 3700x cpu wise it was so loud, so imagine if it was just 2cm or say an inch thicker... it would have solved to much issues for a gaming laptop.
Part of the thickness craze is also the weight. Adding 20-25 mm thickness to a laptop can increase the weight of it quite a bit, making it harder to transport/take it around with you. That difference in metal air cooler height can be significant in terms of weight.
@@MrShadow1617 increased weight is a given if u want a gaming laptop. not like u would walk around with such a machine like if it was a tablet or a netbook, ie holding it in your hand while walking around the office/home and showing stuff on it to the people around u. U basically have a bag or backpack for a gaming laptop if u want to move it to/from a lanparty or an office.
Thumbs up for adding cat content :)