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I don´t get why creators have to jump through a thousand hoops for ads but half the ads I see per day are fake games, financial scams and ads using fetishes
Money
Exactly. How are those the guys who have RUclips's nuts in such a vice that RUclips would cut off a Hickok45-shaped leg rather than the advertising sponsor whose content is honestly similar in "offensiveness" if not more offensive than Hickok45?
It's unbelievable that the scammers won't advertise on someone else's video on ethical grounds. What's so ethical about the constant brainrot spam advertisements hoping for a click-by-accident in the first place? I'm skeptical that it's healthier or safer than someone shooting a gun at a range.
That's the most annoying thing, most gun content was demonetized anyway, so the guys who make this type of content adapted.
But it seems RUclips didn't like it very much.
Yep it's all super shady and greedy
The ads are personalized based on what data they have on you. So why are you seeing fetish stuff?
Glad that Google is focused on this while there are still untold numbers of active financial scams running on youtube.
bUt ThInK oF ThE kIdS ( smdh, fucking Google can't be bothered to deal with scams because they make money off them )
They are the biggest financial scam of them all. They are stealing your info and scaming companies with fake statistics on ads they sell.
Ah yes the good ole "You can only focus on one thing" argument.
The problem is that they’re from hacked accounts. Google does take care of them, yet you have to know the proper contacts (ie it’s not just via X/Twitter, but via direct Google contacts).
People dying hurts youtube's bottom line more than financial scammers. It's that simple.
RUclips only wants late night jimmys, cocomelon, animal abuse videos, and scams.
OMG, youtube love scams and broadcast media slop cuts
Don't forget Stephen Colbert, John Oliver, James Corden, p*rn bots, giveaways.
Those baby Macaques aren't gonna torture themselves!
@@apostateunion don't forget the cp bots
@@user-qh3lr4wp6m damn, it's so funny that this thing is actually international. A saw a f-g ton of such comments on some big russian channels and for some reason it seems like they specifically targeting car related content.
Glock switches being fired in neighborhoods will still be untouched in RUclips shorts
Anything that shows how “dangerous and scary” the guns are will be left alone but anybody who shows responsible gun ownership is against their agenda so they want to shut them down
so AAC or SDI cant sponser anyone but i can still up dat switch into the local parks pond.
Well you know, that’s just some classic family friendly fun
I’m the channel that almost got missed haha. Thanks for bringing this issue to a broader audience guys. It’s super frustrating from a creator standpoint. We just want to talk about things that are actually legal but we are getting crushed in reach and now monetization. Having places like Floatplane and Rumble as a backup is our only strategy to survival right now. I’d be happy to share more insight having been full time for about a decade now.
Your content is terrific. Keep up the good work and I hope at some point RUclips comes to their senses.
Unfortunately this is a result of youtube redefining themselves as an ad platform. Personally I think they are at a point that they no longer deserve 230 protection and should be massively fined for all the copyright infringement on the platform.
"Actually legal" and ethical are two different things. In my opinion hunting mammals is very unethical and you'd have me on board if these guns were advertised exclusively for self-defense, but they're not. I welcome tighter regulations and they're not tight enough yet.
@@notbfg9000Interesting that you say that it's more ethical to have them for self-defence than for hunting, whereas I consider hunting and feral pest control some of the _only_ legitimate use cases for gun ownership, with self-defence not even approaching the legit list. But that probably also because I'm from a country where hunting and pest control are some of the very limited use cases where guns are allowed to be owned, and self-defence is _definitely_ not on that list! And funnily enough, my country also has orders of magnitude less gun crime and less fear of violence because guns don't proliferate in the community from people buying them for reasons such as self-defence, especially when a gun for self-defence rarely works in practice and more often results in less secure storage practices from people wanting easy access to their guns, making them more likely to be stolen for the black market or used by underaged children resulting in tragedy.
@@Respectable_Usernameself-defense uses of firearms don’t get tracked stat wise so how would you know if they barely get used that way. Just in recent years people tried to really see how many self defense uses of a firearm happen in the US and based on research through newspaper articles and such it is estimated that 500,000 self defense uses of firearms happen every year up to 1.5 million but we will never know the exact number.
So tell me this...
Why does Google want to censor firearms in videos hosted on their website, but will gladly host ads for said firearms/equipment on Google search engine?...
@@aaronrepairsall because reasons
It's not censoring at this point, they want to deplatform them, without explicitly deplatforming them.
@@Mark-vr7pt I don't think Google wants to do that, however, it is absolutely what companies that advertise on Google want and Google pretty much has to listen to them cuz that's where all their money comes from
Follow the money. Who do you think pays the blues? Google gets protection in exchange for money and political bias. It's how corporate corruption has always worked.
democrat corruption towards youtube , there its been said
as the great Louis Rossmann once said "I've gotten 4 laws passed on the Right to Repair in 3 states in the last two years with less than $1,000,000. do you want to see what I can do when I have an additional three zeros on my budget because I think it'd be a LOT of fun"
Only problem with him is he doesn't want the debate, he wants to bully his way into getting what he wants. Which I commend - he's very successful at it. Doesn't make him less of a shitty person.
@@AudioArcturiaCan you expand on that? I don't watch his videos but all I've ever seen was him take issue with companies that have bypassed previous laws at the cost of we the people, who did he bully?
@@AudioArcturia I completely agree with you, and yes, I have my issues with that approach, but sometimes it takes one massively dissatisfied person to go out there and actually be a prick to the people at the top. A movement doesn't need a thousand bullies, it just needs a very couragerous one, and leave the rest deal with details. Sadly and unfortunately, we ARE at that point where going in easy won't make change quick enough to be worthwhile. I wouldn't do what he does, I am not even near that level of sheer disgust from the status quo, but I want the changes I am seeing and Louis is doing it.
ADVChina, Climate Town, Jordies, bunch of people who know the ins and outs of the absolute bs going on at the top, trying their hardest to be complete pricks, but actually making shit move. No violence, just being really, REALLY loud and annoying.
Dude this isn’t the same universal moral standard as right to repair, this is weather they want to be allowing guns to be advertised on their platform. There are many restricted products
It takes a bully to fight a bully these days, and Im glad this one is on our side
Amazing how RUclips gets to benefit from platform protections when people post illegal content on their platform but also get to act like publishers when people post content they don’t like.
This is something that should changed, if they want to be a publisher, then they should be treated as such legally.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and acts like a duck it is a duck.
RUclips isn't a publisher though. Source: I googled the topic to educate myself. The experts in the top results say that youtube isn't doing anything wrong
@@Stevie-J Read the YT policies, and then ask yourself was it made by the community? Most RUclipsrs keep to themselves and if they had actually made any community policies they would actually let others know that.
@@Stevie-J RUclips right now is exerting far too much control over what content is allowed while also not being liable for infringing content.
Editorial duties beyond regulating local, state, or federal laws/regulations, are the acts of a publisher. RUclips is 100% a publisher by application.
First started when content creators or film reactors started blurring guns, blurring blood etc or can't say the odd swear word without a chance of getting the video demonetized. YT is honestly pissing me off these days. The amount of restrictions is going way overboard, so much nicer even just a few years ago.
You vill own nothing and be happy.
Fuck youtube. I'll swear however I damn well please. This sucks for firearms creators no doubt, but it reinforces my lifelong adage. A living on RUclips is not something to strive for. It amazes me with all the push for workers taking back the power, no one has said "youtube sucks, and the solution is to not try to make a living as essentially a contracted employee of youtube"
Not even just content creators and the like.
I'm fairly certain that, at this point, 1/5 of my RUclips comments will be automatically deleted for attempting to discuss certain subjects.
Ikr, even streamers who upload clips from their streams often have to manually bleep out any curse words they say. It's insane.
yeah and now they want *fourteen CAD dollars* for no ads........ As if all of the stuff over the past 5 years is ``worth all that``... Having been on this platform for almost 15 years it just disgusts me. They are eventually gonna lose their monopoly at this rate. If RUclips was a commercial contractor to my company, there would have been a exorcism & a new contractor selected 10 years ago.
A few reasons come to mind as to why I REALLY wish I could throw a whole hornets nest into their HQ for..... are the vulture of a adblock detector, *no dislikes shown on videos; that alone makes me never want to pay; f- that trend* , Sniperwolf, hot garbage of a copyright system, political bans (such as any gun stuff), and no attention to many, many child & animal abuse channels, etc. the list is endless.
Responsible gun ownership is a major ideological value for many of the people running these channels. It's a shame to see youtube fail to recognize this, and instead go after channels exploring a hobby in a responsible and heck, even educational manner. Even if the hobby is disagreable to you, when done in a responsible and educational manner (which is the case), there's no just reason to go after it.
Leftists don't care. They want to destroy the right by any means necessary.
@@archetype6351 YT knows; they're deliberately an anti-gun agenda for political reasons
I think it is a social issue at this point.
The channels aren't promoting safe gun ownership, they're thinly veiled propganda mills that feed their audiences rhetoric that leads to murders and scams them into a fake gunsmithing unniversity
@@killertruth186It’s beyond that. It’s clear political motivation. .
That’s awesome that forgotten weapons is on your platform, he’s a super interesting guy
Probably the best firearms content without an obnoxious and unnecessary political skew.
@@wigit2216it's necessarily political now those against them made it that way.
@@wigit2216few popular RUclips gun channels are political. Those who think otherwise are sensitive babies.
@@BrietheCatttheir politics are "pro-gun" because *well duh!* Complaining about them being pro-gun is like complaining that gaming channels are pro-videogames, or drone channels are pro-drone. 9 times out of 10 that's what people complain about when complaining about "the political content in gun videos."
@@wigit2216hey royal armouries also exists and tends to care more about the guns as well
The core problem with this is that RUclips essentially made all guntubers demonetized, so the creators had to go get outside sponsorships to pay the bills. RUclips has funneled these creators into a position where they have had to get their own sponsors for years to keep creating content, then basically made it against the rules for them to make money. It's insane, especially when they are basically all abiding by necessary laws, they're just doing everything in their power to ruin peoples livelihoods
Sounds like their plan worked.
To me it seems political. Like they want to get rid of that type of content from their platform for their own ideological reasons, but without the bad anti-freedom optics of banning an otherwise legal and protected activity. Kind of like how the politicians can't legally ban firearms, so instead they try to find other ways of getting rid of them by attacking advertising, or trying to make manufacturers liable (civilly suable) for how their product is used to try to drive them out of business, or force them to raise the price of their product to a point that only the rich can afford them.
@@Locke99GS Yep this is exactly what I was going to say they are doing everything in their power to drive them off the platform without getting the backlash of being anti-freespeech/expression.
lol, they aren't doing it for shits and giggles. YT is doing it as part of a larger censorship campaign funded by investors with special interests. Alphabet Co owns YT. Why people think this is just to ruin livelihoods is lost on me. It's blatant censorship for a blatant agenda. Forcing the channels obsolescence.
@@Locke99GS
Its non-sensical even from a gun control point of view. I live outside america, none of these videos would be possible here in Australia to the same degree, but that being said, its perfectly legal where the Videos are Occuring, It makes no logical sense to restrict creators who are NOT PROMOTING VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND Based on the politics of other countries or seemingly of corporations, many of whom are american corporations and dont really have a leg to stand on.
Thank you for bringing attention to this. I’m happy to talk if you ever need an inside view.
This would be much appreciated.
Linus don’t talk to this guy, he does not represent actual “guntube” this guy is a goober
@@Arcain321Wat? I watch his videos and they’re pretty good!
Do a tandem video where you build him a cool pew and he builds you a killer pc maybe 🤔
@@ChristianGunNut2001 no. He only gives the most basic knowledge that he learned from a Google search. He has no accolades and isn’t even that good of a shot. His content screams 2016 “marking family friendly let’s scream the at camera and hype everything”
So, they're fine with channels blatantly dedicated to pushing scams or even outright targeted harassment. But people discussing firearms for any reason are to be censored? They have their priorities ass backwards.
That's how satanists roll. Up is down and left is right. Evil is good and good is evil.
YT team isn't exactly competent at anything sadly. Neither dealing with bot waves linking CP, nor actually having a normal ruleset.
Got that right, because everytime creators figure a away around their BS vague rules, they just move the bar to even more vague BS rules. It's gotten to the point as a paying verified RUclips account I can't post a simple comment on a lot of videos anymore, and then a lot of time when it sticks, they hide comments in threads unless you sort them by newest. 🤬
In the words of Louis Rossmann "Modern companies act like you, the customer, are just an inconvenience, an annoyance, between them and your money..."
This is another example of why having monopolies in big tech is bad. I'm not a right-wing MAGA type person at all, but I enjoy firearms videos. There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with responsible gun owners, operating entirely within US law, sharing videos of target shooting, showing the mechanical properties of their equipment, talking about modern and historic military equipment, etc. RUclips isn't helping anyone with this petty nitpicking.
Totally agree. I live in India and we basically have zero gun culture. And yet, these gun videos are so cool I look forward to seeing them everyday. RUclips will do absolutely nothing about scams and explicit content, but oh no the gun is bad. Wtf.
It's all in the ultimate goal of dominating humanity, by restricting information.
Because knowledge is power in 21st century and the best way to win against one another without them recovering is by removing information available to them.
Didn't know right-wing MAGA types were the only citizens allowed to have constitutional rights... We New York liberals have 2A rights, too...just in case you didn't know we exist. Anyway, agreed.
Absolutely agree! its crazy if anything showing how to be responsible with weapons should be applauded not frowned upon and hidden!
@@Evangelionism Isn't that basically what I was saying? My point was that this shouldn't be seen as a partisan left vs right issue.
And that's why a bunch of them created Pepperbox TV
Which sadly *will* fail just like Full30, etc.
@@DatL24 maybe, but I bet a lot are willing to pay for it just for the content they can put on it that they can't on RUclips. There's a LOT you'd can't do with Firearms on RUclips that everyone does in the real world.
Not willing to pay for content that would, should, otherwise be free. @@RyanMercer
@@cat-le1hf it's primarily guntubers with a platform for gun content.
Finally signed up. Hopefully they can be as "user generated" as RUclips to allow more old-school youtube content to be proliferated as well.
The jaws have slowly been closing on firearms content for years. Google hates firearm ownership and want them gone, but its careful to only disenfranchise a small number of people at a time so that there's never a large coordinated effort to leave. By the time the next group is disenfranchised, the last one has already moved on. I hate so much that our government wont do its godamned job and bust up monopolies. I hate so much that youtube is the only option.
Your exactly right about that. Google and RUclips know the game that they're playing. And I fully believe that there must be a pow wow that happens at RUclips HQ where all the employees chant "please Rumble continue to be stupid and only push political content while never improving your user experience and adding features that RUclips has had for years".
Google doesn't hate firearm ownership; it hates the bad PR that often comes with bad gun usage on masses of people.
@@filonin2 And their method of preventing supposed bad PR from mass shootings is to systematically target those who teach people how to safely handle firearms irrelevant to to those cases? That logic doesn't track. Even if it somehow did, it doesn't make their targeting of these people any less selfish and shitty.
Government caused the monopoly that's why. Google's parent company Alphabet Inc has recieved 2,054,325,527 dollars in subsidies from the government. The reason they can afford to screw you over is because someone is paying them to be able to.
@@filonin2you must be blind to the word bias, more specifically political bias
remember when fps russia was the number 1 channel and youtube used that to grow their platform? yeah lets shut the door on that. You know how myth busters inspired millions of kids to get into science and tech? yeah lets get rid of a bunch of those episodes.
don't forget fps russia was also shafted by the US du...ss laws themselves. Getting banned from owning firearms just because you like to smoke bowls is utterly asinine
When was FPS Russia ever the number one channel? I’m pretty sure it was Smosh, then pewdeipie, then T series, and now MrBeast.
@@steveqi9309 you a youngin'
@@aidy6000for real..good lord. The internet didnt exist before 2010 😂
Fpsrussia vs mathiaswandel
RUclips shouldnt get sec 230 protections if they are making editorial decisions like this😊
Well, look who started google... a certain 3 letter agency. I'm sure that doesn't matter right?
@@mr.sir. DARPA has 5 letters which funded all of silicon vally as an internet control hub.
So we can't have a safety advocate for guns, but we get ads for pyramid schemes all fuckin day long
youtube is officially acting as a publisher and legally should be held liable for all content on YT.
Google age restricts, demonetize firearm content creators, prevents them from 3rd party sponsors, a completely legal industry.
On the same hand Google also does not age restrict and blatantly allows things like "naked yoga", "transparent clothing reviews" and the like, not age-restricted, and clearly monetized. Arguably illegal content when made accessible to minors.
I get those "transparent clothing reviews" pop up on occasion and it bugs the crap out of me because most of them are onlyfans "creators" and I can't block them. All I can do is say "this doesn't interest me" or whatever the dumbass option is that ends up not working after a few weeks. I figured out how to report one, but I don't think anything came of it.
@@OutLanderUSN Yeah I first discovered them on my recommends and home page after a vtuber binge. Took like a week of hitting "not interested" for them to go away.
This is keeping with the theme RUclips has had for a while- implement policies that are vague and under-defined.
It’s kind of a “everyone’s guilty of something” style of management. It’s makes it so if a creator does something they don’t like or they think might hurt business, they can delete their channel and have “reason” to do so.
It makes it so they don’t have to have strict rules that have to be updated regularly.
Also makes it so if they have a slow period or need to up their numbers, they can just cut monetization to a bunch of creators.
Same sort of people ran Twitter at one point. They are vile, terrible, people, that shouldnt be allowed to vote.
It's the kind of policy that works for video games or Discord servers but not something that some people rely on for their entire income.
It gives a degree of agency to whoever is reviewing your offense to decide the punishment. And that's just too variable for stuff like this.
Creators can't feel safe if they're one "admin had a bad day" away from having their income thrown in a dumpster fire with no warning.
@@rikuleinonen
"Creators can't feel safe if they're one "admin had a bad day" away from having their income thrown in a dumpster fire with no warning."
That's the entire point, if you don't have the same political views ad the admins and mods they don't want you there.
@@MediocreNed so we agree to agree?
@@rikuleinonen
No, your first sentence implies your okay with this management method only when money is not involved. I am not.
Those servers are bad for the same reason why it's bad screwing creators. Well one of the reasons at least.
"I don't think they've ever come for their monetization before."
That's just false. Why do you think EVERY firearm channel has sponsors and NONE of them feature ads? Hint, because RUclips forced them all to be de-monetized years ago. When it first started going after their money. This is just a continuance in slow effort to rid YT of firearms content. They risk less impact to their ad revenue by doing it slowly.
I swear they’re “demonetised” in the sense that ads still run on the videos, but they don’t see a penny.
He meant that they haven't gone after their third party monetization like sponsors before. Which is what they're doing now
No. That isn't what he meant. He clearly doesn't know the history. He understands the escalation history on content, but not the escalation history on monetization. @@joeeveryman2935
@@mcbamm5683 that's the part that I find absurd. The rational is that advertisers don't want their ads playing on videos with "questionable" content and yet, demonetized videos still get ads. The only thing that's changed is the creator doesn't get any of that revenue.
RUclips already banned firearms ads many years ago, so people watching a firearms related video can't be served an automated ad. So creators have been relying on embedded advertising, which RUclips is now banning too.
Thats not true. A lot of them are still monetized and have been
If it wasn't for gun tubers I would of had many accidental misfires. My dad is worthless when I came to firearms.
so he shouldnt handle firearms in the first place!!!
@@kubotite9168you've got to learn some how
@@kubotite9168literally he just said his dad didn’t teach him. You just don’t want anyone to have guns. Shame on you for seizing on the guy you thought showed weakness
If it wasn't for gun tubers, I'd never have learned to build my rifles properly.
The funny thing is that homemade firearms are legal as long as you don’t sell it. They’re banning something from the platform that is legal in the US
Remember the internet is international. You can't just say "it's legal" as US laws only apply in the US.
@@docification94then make a region restriction for videos depicting homemade guns, simple as that
@@docification94 I said "in the US" in my comment tho
@@docification94action is noy legal everywhere. RUclips videos arent action, they are knowledge, and knowledge should be legal everywhere. If you disagree with that, well thats why i have the 2nd amendment.
@docification94 looks like we need to ban free speech, it isn't legal everywhere. Also being gay. Good logic, my guy.
I am extremely tired of this obsession with 'safety' being an excuse to delist videos, purge content and even shadowblock comments to the point I have to check every single thing I write in an alternate browser to see if it posted.
especially when its one sided. I am against guns myself being a Brit but I feel RUclips removing these channels is a little much. When, at the same time, they allow these big content-farm channels (which are ironically against TOS) to make horrible and DANGEROUS tutorial videos.
Yeah the "safety" and "pc" cultures have gone way too far. The version of it on the left involves crying about guns, theres a version on the right involving other topics too but those have little to do with firearms at least.
@@firefly9838 i’m curious, what are these other topics?
The shadowblocking is infuriating. Believe it or not, I've actually had good heartfelt discussions in the YT comments section, and there were even times where I'd met people I'd like to play games with. But every time, discussions would get cut short, and there was no way of delivering external contact information.
It's awful. I hate it here. But there is no alternative.
@@bobdobsin6216 This is why the majority of content creators i listen to have created their own discord servers. The old video responses used to very good for viewer interaction.
These people are almost entirely self funded (outside of the largest ones), work their asses off to provide great content for free, all of this RUclips profits from, and yet they still want them gone. Atrocious
Another reason why I will never disable adblock, and if youtube finds a way to disable it, I'm out. They don't deserve my money, because they don't pass it on to my favorite creators.
I'm pretty sure we would go full torrent if that happened.
it would be good for PepperBox lol
So... they go after a huge channel with wholesome content that demonstrates safe gun handling. Good job Google. You're only hurting content that teaches people safe handling of firearms.
RUclips: Abstinence > safety and knowledge. Where have I heard that before…
So sad to see, I'm no American and will most likely never see a gun IRL but those videos helped me understand and respect firearm safety
It's all of them. Hicock is probably the largest and most well known.
@@OutLanderUSN Yes, I'm aware of YT's war on gun channels that's been going on for years at this point.
Miss the old days of youtube where we didn't have to worry about restrictions taking down good people's million subscriber channels out of the blue.
What year was that?
RUclips nowdays seems like a legal mine field, other platforms can get way with a lot of type of content.
it just depends on who is paying youtube to have that opinion.
@@neociber24
edit: just realized what you were actually saying my bad
Yeah, the old days where they only banned and deleted small channels out of the blue and no one heard of it
@@Kalecism I never heard about any of that happening, but like you said, nobody really heard of it. Is there a video or channel where I can find more about this?
"You can't fight RUclips...You can't fight gravity. My whole life, all I ever did was fight."
Our time has passed, Linus......
Demolition Ranch has a really good video discussing the intentionally vague changes and intentionally pushing the line in hopes of getting more clarity
whats funny though is demolition ranch is probably the one actually responsible for this, although its not directly his fault. This is definitely about Thomas Micheal Crooks the trump shooter, he was wearing demolition ranch merch
@@fordo5361 he also donated to the democratic party so they should also be punished?
@@hatchet157 This is google being a leftist company doing leftist company things.
@@fordo5361 Wrong! The YT rules (active on 6/18/2024) landed well before the failed a**a**ination attempt (7/13/2024). YT simply changed the policy because they're left wing political activists who hate guns and it's a presidential election year.
I did remember the suppressor incident.
Does this also mean they are stopping US army ads?
LOL obviously no right
Outside of thier rules
Remember Dale Gribble from King of the Hill's line folks; "Guns don't kill people, the government does..."
Lets just make people less educated about firearms...
GJ youtube
Politics is downstream of culture. They want to pluck future gun owners out by the root. Think of the children.
It's easier to keep people afraid of firearms when they don't know anything about them.
Scared people are more willing to restrict, or outright ban, the things they are scared of.
Which is statistically proven to raise firearm related deaths.
Anti-gun equals ignorant, stupid or evil. Period.
@@THEJake829It's all part of the plan to make the next generation used to not seeing or knowing about firearms that way they won't fight back when their rights get trampled on even more.
Some of these content creators are the most wholesome people too.
they really are
YT: Firearms content BAD
YT: OF girls doing transparent try-ons showing their who-haas GOOD
Looks like we're getting pretty close to end-game now. Make sure you've... archived anything of value on YT.
a little late for that.
I started doing that months ago.. Gonna need a new HDD soon lol
The problem is beyond the sponsorships, it's the crazy restrictions. I mean yeah, some of them "only" make the videos 18+ restricted, but that means you must be signed in, which is not the norm for many people
Safety this, safety that. Soon, everyone will be required to send their id to create a channel, or to even write a comment. All In the name of "safety"
Thats what happens when we let private companies have the amount of power they do... essentially controlling the modern day digital town square.
"Preventing harm" is their golden calf (unless you have a mild disagreement with their heckin' politics, in which case all bets are off).
hey, european here, guess who had to send his id in to watvh age restricted videos?
Companies and governments do things in the name of safety for 2 reasons, they want control and/or they don't want to be sued. It's never about you, it's about money.
Section 230 has to start being properly enforced. This is CLEAR editorializing. Threaten yt with receding their safe harbour and they'll pull back real quick
Absolutely not 😂
Yall really think governments should run every company.
@@brandonhoover2120yeah the government should enforce the laws they set. Don't know what's wrong with that?
@@maracaman1 Just a sheep.
Governments should just make any law they can think of to make companies act as they would?
You people need to grow up.
Go to optional to you companies resources just to complain it is exactly what you want.
You need to re-read Section 230 until you understand what it actually is.
@@brandonhoover2120 Have you just now discovered the concept of laws or something? 230 isn't even a punitive law, it grants companies hosting content for 3rd parties an exemption from being legally liable for that content. As long as they're not acting as a publisher for that content. Picking sponsors is clearly something a publisher would do, not a simple hosting service
Google should stop running ads for any film or movie that has even a single gun in it then.
"RUclips will censor removal of saftey devices on firearms"
"ok fair, i assume that means things like grip safties and manual saf-"
"And videos sponsored by the guns industry"
"HUH?"
I mean if your doing a video about how to clean a firearm, removing the safety is on the list for certain systems. The safety on my rifle is part of the action and comes out of the stock with with that action. Would undoing two bolt and pulling the action out with the safety earn me a strike? Would adjusting my trigger that has a trigger safety be grounds for a strike also? The rules as always are too damn vague.
“Removing a safety” sounds scary but there can be a number of reasons to do it. It’s just something that sounds bad to people who don’t know anything about guns. Many handguns don’t even have external safeties in the first place, they’re not a vital part of the gun.
@@thespacedpirate RUclips has already prohibited videos of reassembly for some time now, although it is certainly unevenly enforced. But, rules as written and solely at the discretion of some rando manual reviewer, you could get a strike for something as ridiculously mundane as putting an AR upper onto a lower.
@@ReptilianLepton yeah that's another rule I don't like whatsoever. Like sure, showing things that can make an NFA item like an auto sear being installed should be hit with a strike, but something educational like a tear down and cleaning video or a video showing the mechanical aspects shouldn't be hit with the same result, but the same vague wording that can be interpreted by whichever manual reviewer happens to see it is going to cause a lot of people grief with their uploads.
I've been watching Hickok45 years before I became a content creator.
I am part of a large natural growing gardening side of RUclips and I feel like at the rate it’s going. It won’t be long before they band videos on how to grow things and take care of yourself because this kind of escalation is crazy
is it? guns have always been a controverisal topic
Edit: we only have to look at the reason why no one else sponsors gun focused creators
@@chipiegg1466 I would definitely put gardening and other self-sufficient activities into these same categories!
@@chipiegg1466 When intelligent design was being shoehorned into biology textbooks by political activists, their slogan was "Teach The Controversy." There was no controversy. They invented a new thing and right out of the gates began calling it controversial, in a cynical strategy to craft public perception and help achieve their political goals. Food for thought when you're describing someone else's rights as "controversial"
dude, imagine if that topic somehow got to the point where people equate home growing with hurting grocery store vegetable profits and used it as a vehicle for saying that gardening hurts workers' pay
that's my theory for what excuse would be used, anyhow
@chipiegg1466 guns have not always been a controversial topic.
The worst part is that even removing the videos from his channel might not be enough to keep him from getting a strike. There a 3d printing channel that had some fire arm related content (nothing that breaks guide line) got a few strikes removed all fire arm content and still received strikes months later for them without a way to appeal.
What YT wants is: more trailers of "Cuties", alive animal mukbangs, closet groomers, financial/crypto scams, misinformation, and doxxers. Anything else, remotely normal and sensible, it better follow the "community guidelines" or else it gets the strikes.
Propaganda bots as well.
Funny since so many RUclipsrs this past month alone had been exposed for child grooming yet the platform wouldn't do Jack about their golden boys/girls.
@@LamiaLoverits almost as if theyre pushing a general political message...
I genuinely hate that RUclips is the only place I can go to in order to see the videos I want to see. Nobody makes videos elsewhere, so it's functionally a monopoly, and the government needs to be break it up in order to have real competition. This latest move is just another nail in the coffin for the RUclips we used to love.
I know and that's why youtube needs healthy competition and why places like rumble and odsee need to be given a chance
So awesome to see a non firearm focused channel talk about this. I know this sounds weird but all the sysadmins I’ve ever worked with are all gun guys 😂
crazy how they're going after the larger, responsible gun channels and not the idiots shooting off glock switches in chicago or california over on the Shorts tab
they are way too smal to be found
You scared the crap out of me, I can’t even do a post about Airsoft on Facebook any more, if I lost you tube for my little business just doing airsoft guns, I don’t know what avenues id have left. Since all the algorithms throw Airsoft in with real guns constantly.
That’s because usually they can look like a real gun at times. Despite using orange tips.
Also, there’s some airsoft (as well toy guns) have the official brand on. As well with logo.
That’s weird how they selectively enforce stuff like that. I have posted multiple pictures of my actual firearms on Facebook with absolutely zero problems…but they threatened to block me from posting over a pic of a bag of kinda large carrots that said imported from Chernobyl or something like that….
the comment section is surprisingly good regarding the subject
Ik i was expecting to come here and see a lot bs but its not too bad
@@ebfromtha410 about 60% hating on YT and then 40% "well this is actually a good thing"
@@A.T501st haven't seen any of that 40%
@0008loser ok that might been an exaggeration but there's def some comments supporting the demonetization here
let's short google's stock.
@LMG Clips This is actually a common trend for RUclips they've specifically targeted Firearms RUclips Channels each time there was an Adpocalypse, they've been constantly rewriting RUclipss rules and conduct for Channels like a revolving door. A lot of Firearms Creators have spread out to other platforms, but the problem is while their content may be "safe" on those platforms they don't get the exposure that RUclips would give you Nationally in the United States in this case as most Firearms Content is geared towards the American Content Viewer. I've been dealing with this since 2015 when I started my RUclips Channel, I'm not as big as Hickok45 but that doesn't mean I haven't had to suffer with the same challenges.
Props to Luke for explaining this so well.
So I have a question: SDI is an accredited educational institution and thus has a .edu domain. How is this acceptable?
And in general how are YT's actions not tortuous interference?
It is generally legal, here in the US of A, to own, shoot, carry and privately make firearms, and to sell (or make and own fully automatic ones) with the correct federal firearms license, (and in the case of the fun stuff, special occupational taxpayer status paperwork and fee paid) paperwork filed and approved and taxes duly paid.
It's a result of the "socialism bad" crowd, for better or worse. RUclips is a private company, so you can't tell them what to do with their stuff, and if you don't like it you can go somewhere else. If you don't like "tortuous interference" you can go somewhere else. If you want to tell RUclips what to do then you'd have to make it government owned.
RUclips is the reason that I have been able to safely handle and train with firearms while also saving money via researching reviews on products and firearms. It is a shame that RUclips keeps messing the hobbies (and livelihoods) of many people.
Maybe an unpopular take, but this is the flipside of deregulation, and what happens when you make private companies the stewards of services and media distribution channels that function like utilities. If you want the internet to be fully subject to the rules of, say, the US Constitution instead of the rules and political whims of capital holders then it would have to be administered as a utility.
Exactly, without a government regulating companies, the biggest company becomes the governing body.
the problem with your proposal is going to be, which jurisdiction has 'supremacy' in regulating such a policy. it might work here in the US with the way the 1st amendment works, but that wouldn't apply everywhere else. in addition, even here in America, the federal govt is very limited on regulating certain industries, esp when it comes to forms of speech. you can count on one hand the number of times the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of govt regulation of speech.
Deregulation needs to be paired with aggressive enforcement of competition law, you cannot have free markets if you allow one company to dominate a market. This is where the US government has utterly abdicated its role since the 2000s.
@@ricequackers That's called regulation
It's time for legislation prohibiting monopolies from doing things that the government cannot do (can't restrict speech, discriminate based on [x], etc.)
Guns are a constitutional right. RUclips is an American company. They should have some damn respect for our founding documents and principles. They are given leeway since the courts consider them a "forum" for speech. Therefore, they must allow full freedom of speech rights as allowed on a public sidewalk
Other countries are better armed and don't deal with mass shootings every week. What's your answer junior?
@@I_Am_Your_Problembetter armed in what way exactly?
@@I_Am_Your_Problem......
........The answer you're looking for is "criminals will use what they got".
We are VERY FAR from being the acid attack capital of the world like the UK was just 2 years ago. Also, we have by far the most guns per capita in the world. 2nd place has about 1 gun per 2 people in a country that has less population than Ohio alone. In the US, the current estimate is 1.3 guns per person. That doesn't count homemade guns, or ALL guns made before the GCA of '68. There is no comparison to "better armed". The US is the armed in question. We are the measuring stick of what freedoms other countries lose. No other country comes close. We are the other countries military while we foot the U.N bills.
Also we don't have mass shootings every week. We have gang violence and a very large underground drug network fueling the gang problem.....that is mostly proliferated among cities, particularly the ones with strict gun control. Where people are robbed and killed in broad daylight. Law enforcement is failing because we got soft handed judges letting all the criminals and predators go with only a slap on the wrist, while they jail others for years on an arbitrary rule made by narcissists.
Junior......you need some learning before you can ask a "gotcha" question. It's too high of a level for you.😂
@@I_Am_Your_Problemthere is not a single country with a more armed civilian population. You pulled that out of your ass little bro.
We NEED your help! RUclips has their foot on our throat!
I cancelled my RUclips Premium and RUclipsTV subscriptions... this is so wrong, not giving them my money anymore.
As a PC builder and a gun builder, I really appreciate LMG's stance on this. There's no outright disrespect against us gun guys that I often times see. LMG sees the true issue. Thank you Linus!
Shit like bump firing shouldnt be restricted. If i want to fire an m60, and i am legally doing so, why should youtube say "no, because that can inspire people." So can Lockpicking lawyer, so can forcible entry turorials for firefighters. Trying to limiting knowledge isnt a solution to gun violence.
Rumble is a direct competitor to RUclips. It is small potatoes, however. Many creators don't want to publish on multiple platforms, so if they're going to choose just one, they're going to choose RUclips; it already has an audience, thus reach. Because of this, Rumble has less content, which keeps its audience smaller. Until more creators start publishing on Rumble's less restrictive platform, it will always have a smaller audience.
Also, no one will know to look into it when creators don't even mention it in their videos discussing free-to-view video platforms.
It's not because they don't want to It's because they can't or they risk either getting sued or banned and I find that extremely sickening because you as a creator should be allowed to mention competitors of youtube
Why do we talk so casually about google and youtube taking it upon thenselves to dictate what culture is okay? They are genuinly social engineering with no resistance.
Wake up
no they enforce their rules on their private website
@@timo4463 you are practicing a line of logic that pretends a vaccum exists.
If for all intents, and purposes youtube is the only platform in which the majority of people use as a digital town square. Then regardless of whatever legal logic one uses, the practical outcome is a private company subverting the protected rights of a given countries citizens, by manipulating what is allowed, via the personnel views of the people at said company.
This an actual definition of state capture, and tyrannical thought policing all the same.
Guns are not bad because google says they are, but if 200+ million people are prevented from engaging in the legal structure of adverts and products, then they have succeeded in what is allowed in society at large, given that the internet is objectivly a larger part of the economy and society every year.
I am not going to quietly slip into a techno dystopia, and neither should you.
@@timo4463 i tried to respond to this twice with a well though out response, and youtube deleted my response.
if that doesn't back my point I don't know what does.
I'm glad these Canadians took an empathetic approach to this topic. I don't know if Canada has the gun bug or not, but this shit is super important to us Americans. Gun control doesn't mean taking guns away, it means pricing us out of it.
It’s almost like being able to defend yourself is REALLY IMPORTANT and powerful people who are probably paying off google don’t want you to know it.
RUclips needs to be treated like a publisher from now on.
They’re not a platform anymore.
My opinion on guns may differ from the next person. But the fact is that people do need to know proper gun safety for educational purposes when an emergency arises.
The enshittification cycle continues.
Gotta love how something can be perfectly legal, but some Californians don’t like it so they just erase it from the public discourse. Seems like too much power for a few people.
youtube are publishers, it is 100% confirmed now, lets sue!!
The minute that I can find my favorite creators all on Rumble then I will never come back.
Now I'm scared for GameSpot and their firearms expert reacts to video game guns series of videos
I don't think this will apply to guns in video games.
A big part of those videos is comparing the real world counterpart to the one in the game. I doubt they'll be unaffected @@LunaticTheCat
But Ferguson shows the real guns that video game guns are based on including how to work the safety and he indicates if full auto video game guns have been modded in real life to fire full auto
There are a significant amount of videos like that, or forgotten weapons that focus on the history of firearms.
Why should hundreds of years of human history be erased because someone is uncomfortable?
Right on! Dis is 'Merca! 2nd Ammendment fug yeah!
What needs to happen is to get thousands of creators together along with sponsors and owners of other platforms and have a counsel and plan to dismantle this monopoly
All I'm gonna say is that it's not surprising that this is happening before the 2024 election in the US.
@@DarkSwordsman this is a thing RUclips has been doing for years now and as far as I can tell has very little to do with what's going on in US politics, and has a lot more to do with what advertising corporations are expecting of RUclips. So RUclips must do what they want
@@the_undead and since RUclips is a International service provider the US won't be able to shift it
@@MCD10000 The US government is likely in the best position to affect Google because their headquarters is in the US, although I wouldn't put it past the EU to do something about at least some of the things Google is doing, whether or not they do anything about gun content, I do not know
oh yeah, the reptiloid overlords are strong force on this subject...
@@the_undeadRUclips has been doing the thing for so long EXACTLY because of US politics. It’s not about safety. It’s about changing the culture. Or erasing it.
Rumble is doing pretty damn well against RUclips.
You know Google should realize that there are 300 million people who enjoy that content and doing it just sours them to RUclips and Google as a whole. The fact that they're censoring should remove all government protection.
this isnt censorship...google and youtube aren't open public forums...they are private entities and everything YOU say here belongs to THEM. THEY are ultimately liable for whatever terrible decision YOU make on THEIR platform....it's not a place for FREE SPEECH and that you think that it is makes me laugh..hard
@@covenant11Huh then why do RUclips Google Facebook cry when a country censors them and claim freedom of speech
it's actually way more than 300 million, there people who watch content about firearms outside of the US (like me) and european firearms channels like kilnier armory and the royal armouries museum that will also partially get affected by this
The thing you don't realize is that it's not 300 million people that only watch RUclips for that. to assume that everyone who is subscribed to them would be just as insensed as their main fanbase that only watches them is ridiculous to assume. Twitter proves that banning a single person doesn't actually get a whole bunch of people to boycott you. ♪♪
@@manitoba-op4jxHe's not defending it. It simply cannot be counted as censorship. It's just like you'd call piracy, stealing. It's not stealing it's piracy, it's own thing. Still a crime but not the same thing.
What RUclips did isn't cool, but it ain't censorship.
I deeply respect this honest spotlight on RUclips's politically driven agenda against firearms content. And I promise you, such crackdowns extend to other content RUclips's management dislikes.
slippery slope. a few years ago, youtube age restricted video games that have bikini outfits in it lol. strangely.. videos where real life girls doing bikini/lingerie try ons doing poses are usually not aged restricted.
RUclips has only 2 real options. Not allow any Hollywood scenes/ads that show guns so cut off all of media, or just let people show guns. If leads to more gun safety and less deaths as people learn how to be safe around firearms
that's the thing a lot of the larger guntubers actually promote gun safety and try and teach people things about firearms to help educate the public about how things work and how to safely handle them!
I wonder what they will class as "firearms". Have you ever heard of a Potato Cannon? its a PVC pipe with a potato shoved in to one side, and a flammable aerosol or flammable vapour of some sort in the other. close up the side with the aerosol with a cap, light it, and off the potato goes. Simple fun, often a silly little project with supervised kids, but it is by all definitions a firearm. replace the PVC tube with a metal one and fire something other than a potato and its just a normal canon. hell, are normal cannons fine? youre not exactly able to conceal carry and open fire with one of those. where is the line drawn?
State of MD classified potato guns as firearms.. [sigh] its ridiculous
At this point they would also include video game guns.
The ATF would like a word 🫣
@@killertruth186 Anything to make sure new people don't see firearms in a positive light. Thats the ultimate goal.
I've heard the best way to make money on tiktok is through the store, where you get your followers to buy scam supplements.
The obvious and sketchy alternative for gun content creators would be to build a gun store platform into their video site where they can very directly profit from the sales of their featured content.
Obviously that would be much harder from a legal perspective.
Pepperbox is the guntube, its just starting out, but im praying it will expand to more creators soon. Worth it!
so movies, tv shows, comics that depict some of the most grotesque forms of violence is OK, but channels that actually encourage safe firearms ownership and usage, that, that crosses the line
yup and violates section 230 completely
Include gamers streaming or playing games with full auto guns with violence too. RUclips wouldn't dare touch the gaming community as that's their bread and butter.
He is a grandpa that likes to teach safe firearm usage. He is a father figure
Maybe YT also needs to remove every movie they sell or for rent that shows a firearm
this also has been bleeding over into cosplay spheres too several cosplayers have had their livestreams where they make props of warhammer gun props get taken down.
The guntuber community is so big that if they end up transitioning to rumble, pepperbox, odysee etc I think they would stay successful
they tried and tried again with bitchute, rumble etc. and they all stopped uploading on those platform because only a handful of people watched them. also videos can only be played at 720p on most platforms unless you pay a subscription for 1080p
Well yeah, it would be the movement of a whole content category.
Same way PH does well since RUclips doesn’t allow that content
If a large majority of them went to the same platform, then they could have a chance. And that's the problem, everyone being on the same page, because they'll all struggle if they all fragment to a number of different platforms. Even if they all backed one platform, that would still be a very real challenge.
@@RyTrapp0 It will still require a lot of money and risk exposure for any advertisers not wanting their content appearing somewhere in relation to questionable content which is part of why RUclips is doing it for this and other content. Even if you have the user base, you're not going to have the development funds or the ongoing revenue to cater to one audience that can be seen as controversial in broad strokes even if majority are law abiding.
I very much doubt that.
Not only is this a huge hit against gun channels, but it's a huge hit against any firearms company as a whole because they now can't advertise on one of the biggest spaces for advertising.
Yet every anti gun coward in any sort of powerful position is protected by armed security, pick a lane
Next up: RUclips coming after cybersecurity videos because hacking is illegal of done improperly.
Hacking is in a Grey Area if you are Hacking the stuff you own that's legal but it becomes illegal when you start stealing data from people and so on
Why can't he just send a clean invoice?
As someone who is an American firearm's enthusiast, I truly appreciate you bringing this silly behavior into the light of day. There are clearly ulterior motives to try and force "Guntubers" out of the space which is crazy. If only there was another platform they could move to in order to give RUclips the middle finger.
I mean. I guess the gun YT'ers must become gun PH'ers 😏
Forgotten wepons used to upload to the hub
@@ianthompson2802no, that was InrangeTV which Ian USED to be associated with, but not anymore
@Anonymous8421 oh yeah but I know ian was some of those vids