They don't own yugioh. At least know what you're talking about...wtf do they have to make a video about it it very narcissistic. The best part is most of these people don't even pay for thier cards lmao. In no offense, these people quit cause they don't want to adapt. They're upset because the way they play falls out of favor because they Don't Want To adapt and learn that people get Better. That's really what it is, but you guys can call it.Whatever you guys want to call, it b******* excuses
@@djjorge87id say toxic bootlickers like you hurt the game the most. The players that you are insulting are literally better than you could ever hope to be. Jess here got top 8 at the world championship and walked out with nothing. No prizes, no money, nothing. Every other card game rewards their big names, and for good reason. Konami is just a bad company.
@@djjorge87 wtf are you even talking about, its not that jessica stopped topping and then decided to quit, "these people" quit because being good at this game its NOT worth it, period. You have no idea of the work, the testing and the effort it requires to be as good at yugioh, and konami does not care about rewarding that work in ANY way. "To adapt and learn that people get Better" people always got better, there always were new faces in the game, no one ever complained. How can you not understand how frustrated someone can be after realizing all his work is literally ignored while other people are working half of what he's doing and getting 10k for every top cut appereance
Konami TCG prints all the best cards in high rarity or short prints them, translating to the best decks cost upwards of $1000 for a chance to compete. Why are we not getting affordable prices like the OCG if monetary prizing goes against their philosophy? The company is full of hypocrisy and greed.
Tenpai core costs nothing, trident is the only expensive card and he dropped a lot. Full core easy 70 bucks, staples are cheap cause reprints. You use shifter and every boardbreaker in this world and you can easy beat the top decks with it. So please stop crying about the prices its copium Full power ritual beast is also 150 bucks
@@al99901The only reason why SE fiendsmith only represented ~50% of the top cut is because the engine literally came out a week before the event and most people are straight up prized out and unable to afford it. The deck is obviously worlds better than everything else right now
To get a change the pros need to make the move and boycott the game. It doesnt make sense (for players like me) to buy a deck, pay a ticket, and book accommodations without a chance of financial reward.
@@al99901OCG also gets reprints, so this is a non-answer. Also, reprints take at least a year to be released. In the end, what happens is that Konami intentionally allows degenerate strats to exist because they cannot ban them prior to reprinting them, they finally reprint said cards, and THEN, after people finally have access to all cards, they proceed to ban them.
Australian player here. I judged 2 premier events this year( YCS and a states event), and played 1 premier event (Oceanics), and got top 8. We had better event coverage of our states event in Victoria then any other event. YCS had a written blog that went up 2 weeks AFTER the event. We haven't been given the majority of our additional prizing for making top cut at Oceanic's yet(top cut mat, sleeves, master sets etc) In comparison, both events i judged, both of the prizing compensation covered at a minimum, the travel to the event. We're not asking for money, we just want something that makes the top feel memorable(exclusive event cards for example).
People are also forgetting Andres Torres also left the game to. Right after the uds champion ship. The guy played his brains out with unlimited branded deck!
Gabriel Soussi also announced that he is retiring from competitive play. People leaving will make people leave, because competing in a non-competitive environment (because of card prices, card design or just lack of good players on the scene) make no sense, this is gonna be a hard period for Yugioh if you ask me
How is it going to be non competitve,how many events have these 2 won this year?New competitive players have risen,people like anthony lopez has just started.
@@kinofchaos9085 How about christian Urena who won b2b YCS this year?, how about Dinh Khang who preferred to play lorcana that the WCQ this weekend and so many more pros as well...
@@akhileshprayag3553how about no one outside that bubbles actually cares that they quit? To think that it‘s gets less competetive just because some players quit is insane to me. This has absolutely no impact. Let‘s say if the influencers like Josh, DBGrinder and so on would quit - I get it that would probably have an impact but because some high performing players na-ah.
I saw this quote somewhere. It was along the lines of: "The longevity of a culture/language etc. is practiced by its youngest members". 1. Older players are experiencing burnout and we're only STARTING to see the consequences. We'll see more as time goes by. 2. The game is too expensive for younger players to get into to replace the old. 3. Bad game design where Konami CONSISTENTLY makes broken cards that enable boards that prevent the other person from playing the game is the antithesis of a two player game. If there's no back and forth gameplay, it's not a two player game anymore. People will only tolerate so much before they quit because there's no point in playing if they don't get a chance to play in the first place.
For the prizing/money debate, it would be so easy for them to give out crazy variants of cards that are competitive or a shit ton of product or valuable product. Such an easy middle ground. A playmat and a prize card blows.
Exactly, I'm also sick of hearing that excuse that Kazuki Takahashi said no to having money as prizing while placing 1st in every other TCG right now can pay for 2 years of college(in Europe). It's just sad.
The game feels horrendous to me at the moment. I've seen all my closest friends move to other games (Lorcana, One Piece, Pokemon, MTG, Digimon, Dragonball, etc.). I have no reason to play socially, no reason to improve at the physical game since you can just get Mullcharmyed, Shiftered, Protossed, Skill Drained, or hit by any other lingering effect that, in most scenarios, are impossible to outplay. It has gotten to the point that I'd rather play in Master Duel, a format with fucking Maxx C, than to play with how the design of the game and time rules overlap. The price of the game is hilarious as well. For the price of a Fiendsmith package I can make multiple topping decks in multiple games. Why is it that if I want to optimize a shit pet deck, I have spend the equivalent of a monthly car payment on cardboard?! Why is it that I see amazing players with genuine passion for the game look like raccoons in a trash can when they open their prize packs, hoping they pull something that they can sell? Why aren't they being rewarded for their skill, work ethic, knowledge and passion? Then you have the store owners that I personally feel like I betray by not wanting to even go to locals. They put the effort to run and promote tournaments just so that players won't show up due to this shit format. I love this game and always will, but I'm so disappointed at how it is now that I don't even want to play.
Konami being reluctant to ban new cards is an issue, especially with cards like Purulia. The fact Konami made the Multcharmies to try to fix Maxx C is honestly a good thing given how divisive Maxx C is, but it's the kind of card that is easy to screw up balance wise. Also yeah, why is Drytron Nova a 20€ card ?
About the luck thing, 90% of the luck involved in YGO is determined before either player plays a single card. Once you know what your hand is, and especially once you get a good idea of what your opponent's hand looks like, the amount of luck involved goes WAY down. Both you and your opponent know what you're going to have access to for the rest of the game at that point. That's what leads to the best players doing well so often compared to other games - when you don't have to worry about topdecks, whoever is able to assess the gamestate better is going to win more often than not, even if they definitely shouldn't have with better play. Cards like Shifter and other lingering floodgates, however, are so oppressively one-sided that they basically invalidate that skill. And when both players play well enough to win the games they're supposed to win, Game 3 often comes down to the RNG of Dogwood vs Lacrima
Imagine going 16-0, losing the finals to puppet lock only to move into one of the worst formats ever and all that just to get a plastic trophy. You lose money even if you are in top 10 players... yeah quitting makes sense
Played vs tear at full power numerous times and I would rather have this back than this format. It was super interactive and many decks were able to beat tear if handtrapped right. this format is just so combo guaranteed that your handtraps feel so useless and you rather take boardbreakers.
in my comment i referred to this, im more annoyed by the fact that the "spirit" of rogue is being lost. For me a part of a rogue deck was always the affordability. Rogue decks werent the meta decks, hence their cards were cheaper. Now my chimera deck needs the fiendsmith engine to even be viable as a rogue deck and the fiendsmith engine costs more than my entire chimera illusion deck. White forest elzette and astellar go for 100 dollars a playset as well, not to mention any mulcharmys, dogwoods, etc. Same with Memento
It's been proven time and time again that people can look past the shit prizing if the game is fun to play and relatively easy to get into with a budge and effective deck. When the format feels like ass, it just makes all the other issues unbearable
In these trying times, I'm happy that you are here as one of the strongest remaining soldiers in YGO. We love you as a player and as a person. We love your content and your personality as well. Stay strong N3sh, so we can also stay strong and not quit this game. I've got a few dozens more normal summon snake eye ash in me before I break.
Nice to meet you in Berlin! I was shiftered 3 matches in a row and dropped 3-0-3 by round 6. Sold fiendsmith snake eye to the vendors. I cant take this game seriously anymore when there are lingering floodgates in the gane.
Then most of locals play the best decks when your their to compete and have fun at the same time but nope can’t, like your trying your best for $30 store credit is funny to me but what can I say. I don’t play the best deck. I tried to be different but man it’s crazy
@@kennymaldonado3452 I just picked up mannadium for fun (didn't even have lichtheart or cross sheep) , got first place at my OTS last night and pulled an ulti chaos angel as they still had spare OTS 24. Most fun ive had in months. Everyone else who was at euros for the main event ran jank aswell. This meta is just terrible, handtraps dont do enough, so you have to run shifter/ droll paired with another handtrap or breakers etc. My final game against tenpai, they shiftered me in dp, i went for the i:p, temple and oak in st zone line. They had lightning storm lmao. Like what am I supposed to do.
I dislike lingering floodgates but right now it's how you beat two of the three best decks. The format isn't healthy so degenerate cards are being played.
@@kennymaldonado3452Most people at local play unfun jank and this community is not ready to talk about it. I’m not surprised locals are dying when you see DW, Floo, Stun, or pure going 2nd.
I only got into ygo through MD and before tear format hit MD for half a year. Tear format was the most fun I have had and Fire format made me realize how miserable i feel playing now
What is the incentive for konami to change, each tournament has been seeing increase number in attendance, heck they broke a world record in Japan's 10th ycs, at this point we might as well create an underground tournament and have the community handle it themselves.
they tried that with ARG Circuit Series and The PPG Pro Tour, it didnt work out that well iirc. AFAIK PPG is still doing stuff, but i dont think they do Yugioh at all anymore, or if they do i have not heard shit about that.
@@sparda191 I think the reason YCS numbers are going up is because local scenes are dying. And a lot of card shops are either closing or not carrying yugioh.
@Furnabulax1 i remember those two, I don't remember why they stopped, but it's been a..., I don't want to say almost a decade but at least more than 6 years since I've heard about them. I wonder if, in this current time, would the idea be more likely to flourish.
@dpacula63 I, too, have seen some stores close in my local area, but in that same vein, I saw new stores pop up and grow. It most likely depends on your location. But i don't think there is a way to correlate some area closing or not supporting ygo tcg with an increase in tournament attendance. Regardless of the why's, I dont know if konami per se cares as long as the product is being bought and their events attended at record numbers. Which is what I was trying to say. It's hard to get a company to care when their wallets keep getting filled.
@@sparda191 It's been well known for years that events are not run even close to breaking even. Pokemon events, MTG events and YCS's are ran as loss leaders and are more for marketing than being used to make profit off of. So 3rd parties like ARG and PPG probably completely lost their funding from sponsors to break even when the pandemic happened. After those 2 years alot of sponsor brands pulled out of so many shakey scenes because the pandemic hit them so hard. Sponsors not having money to help out 3rd party event oranizers means there is no way to run a 3rd party circuit unless it's being funded by a billionaire that doesnt care about lighting money on fire.
I feel it, there's no reason to go to high tier tournaments, the prize for being top is trash. I still love Yugioh, but Konami doesn't give any incentive to be pro player.
I think I'm in the minority here, I dont think every game needs to be like esports. Winning a tourney should be for the title and trophies for you to show off because you love the game, not because of monetary/materialistic value (although a special edition of smth are still welcome). Yugioh is, after all a children's card game. With that said, from the perspective of an OCG player, I still think that the prices over in TCG is ridiculous.
@@furensuko This, I too have a gripe with TCG's card prices and ridiculous rarity, but complaining that your TCG hobby can't be your side gig is just ridiculous. If that's how you want to view the game then just move to another TCG (i know people have) much like how you switch jobs. that said, I think changing prizes to something that's actually more relevant to the game itself definitely makes more sense. Like many have said, promo cards for popular/meta cards is a very long-hanging fruit instead of packs that nobody needs when you already show up to an event with a fully functional deck, or yet another playmat (how many playmats do you need? lol).
Prizing is actually even more important than banlist balance and game health, if there is no one serious about the game, then it is as good as dead. Dreams and ambition is what makes any game fun after the first contact.
I don't think that it's this meta specifically that's making people quit I think it's that this like the 5th oppressive, power creeping meta IN A ROW. Konami is slowly beating down they're player base and people are just tired.
Tbh, if konami really cared about this game they should release a list with at least 8 cards banned and as many limited to one. And sadly i don't think they will do
@@Ragnarok540 that's too much. But the issue is that the most problematic cards are from the newst set and konami doesn't want to touch a set that it's still in store. Realistically, the cards tgat should be banned are: Ban Flamberge Original Closed moon Lurrie Sanctifire Shifter Dbarrier Simul archfiend (this is litterally dbarrier 2.0) Beatrice Just because you don't want to hit fiendsmith directly. Became we all know that requiem will get banned at somepoint. But then, you still have the mulcharmy problem
Unfortunately this is not a big issue or discussion in Japan with the player base. As long as the Japanese player base is quiet about this issue nothing will change.
Here’s the thing though Japan doesn’t have the issue that the TCG has. The OCG is way different in terms of just how the cards come. You get high rarity versions and low rarity versions of the same card
@@JohnnyMacs19 This is not about the price of the cards, she doesn't even mention this issue at all. It's about the time and effort required to be a pro, alongside international travel costs.
sono stato anche io al wcq quest'anno (sono il ragazzo che ti ha chiesto la firma sopra al ponix c:) e ci sono andato preparato a tutto, dopo mesi di testing, dopo aver comprato la base snake-eyes, e nonostante io abbia giocato benissimo tutte le partite, veramente, ho sbagliato pochissime cose, non ero preparato a perdere al tempo. avevo previsto che sarebbe successo e ho sideato spooky dogwood, ma in quelle situazioni o la peschi tu o la pesca il tuo avversario. e se non la pesca nessuno vince chi può evocare lacrimosa in quel turno. Credo che questa sia stata la parte peggiore di tutto l'europeo e chiunque ci sia stato può concordare.
Jess is a genius (no sunseed pun) and a true ray of light in the yugioh-sphere. I hope the game evolves into something she wants to be a part of, I’m not even European and I already feel like something is missing. Big love to her and also to the rest of us playing this game we’ve loved since we were kids.
Hearing that she walked out empty handed after getting TOP 8 was a bombshell to me. In Pokémon, the package you get for simply entering worlds is almost worth $2000 alone.
You get more getting top 64 at a pokemon regional than you do getting top 64 at a YCS. Pokemon gives you $500 USD and 36 boosters of the most recently released set for getting 33rd-64th place. So you could literally win a YCS, leave with a like $300 switch, a garbo vanilla that no one wants to buy, a playmat thats like $50 and a trophy. Then go to a pokemon event get top 64 and make easily double that. That shits wild
I think the biggest problem is Snake-eyes has just lasted too long. I'm not so sure people would care about the $1000+ price tags if Snake-eyes wasn't outright the best option. Last year at Kash's peak it was almost $1200 but it didn't bother anyone because you still had options and you had a real chance to win with something else.
Disappointing is probably the right description for the general feel of the game as of late, in my opinion its been a downward spiral since tearlament release in terms of accessibility and attracting factors for the game, its gotten progressively worse as konami has increased focus on shareholders over customers
I’ve been playing properly since about 2020 and Jess was like 80% of the reason I picked up a good combo deck and really started to improve as a player. Sad times 😢
So many good points and reasons to quit. I stepped away but I am keeping tabs on yugioh since February. The game is still heading towards a direction I dislike as well. I feel like a master rule is needed rn IMO
A master rule could spark just as much hate as they currently have. What the game seriously needs is to tune the power level down a few levels. No one enjoys tier 0 formats and konami made it clear that the remaining of the year will also be a tier 0 format with fiendsmith( will take at least 2-3 banlist before they start hitting them). In the last 2-3 years we have been in almost a non stop tier 0 formats set up
@solarium4884 The thing is, though, we are no longer in a Tier 0 format. If you look at the landscape of Yugioh currently at this state, where we are at is a very powerful deck, Snake-Eyes Fiendsmith, where other decks exist to counter it with degenerate playstyle and lingering effects. Konami allowing Snake-Eyes to set the bar for yugioh has promoted the use of shifter, multcharmy, heat wave, protos, spooky dogwood, and more in other yugioh decks to take down the fair but overpowered Snake-Eyes Fiendsmith deck from its Tier 0 pedalstaool. Konami has made an FTK deck in the format rn (gimmick puppets), this is not an OK counter. Yugioh is in a bad spot right now. I say a master rule is needed because a banlist will not keep yugioh from spiraling downwards. Unless Konami establishes a goal of how they want the game to be interactive and not only ban Snake-Eyes but also hit many other cards that exist in the game that are allowing other decks with lingering effect flood gates to top.
@@solarium4884I disagree, we need a master rule change asap. They lower the power level, and they will just release power crept cards again. They have been doing this for the past decade. They can’t do card balance. We need a whole rule change at this point.
@@BanditTools thats why I said tune down the power level. Make it so decks aren't allowed to be stronger than x level. They can do ton of stuff, crazy stuff, but not surpass that ceiling. Master rule will only work at the start of it. If it's a master rule like Mr4 I think ( the one everyone hated), people will hate it. If it's a good Mr, it's only a matter of time until konami starts releasing broken cards for more profit and yet again breaks the game. Other games have soul etc which automatically puts somewhat of a ceiling to what the decks can do. Yugioh doesn't have that
I have never been a highly competitive player, lack of time and money has kept me from being that, but for me at the moment i have never felt this priced out of playing yugioh. Its been going for a while now, and yes yugioh has always been an expensive hobby and there always have been expensive decks but for me there always was a cheap alternative. I was really excited to play white forest and then i check the cardmarket prices on release and astellar/ elzette go for 90-120 euros per playset, 200 euros combined and that is 6 cards out of the main deck, no mulcharmies, no dogwoods. I dont know if this is accurate but for me it feels like the game has never been this expensive. Before fiendsmiths came out i played illusion chimera and was a big fan of the deck (fusing 3 cards into guard chimera, triggering 4 effs and going + 5 was sick) and it was an actually viable and nice cheaper option especially after the release of illusion apprentice. Now fiendsmith is out and its just so demotivating to know, my cheap rogue-ish deck option is now 400 euros more expensive or just strictly worse without the fiendsmith engine. Same for mementos, i was incredibly excited for the new memento cards, but fiendsmith memento is also just strictly better. There goes another budget option. Its just very demotivating
They are making new hand traps and formats that are basically making older decks unplayable instead of trying to balance the game like when tear or kashtira were meta.
If being a top competive player and doing something awesome like being a EU NATIONAL champion and Top8 at worlds! Doesnt give you enough gratification, then prizing was never the problem. Fix your mentality.
What is your opinion on the conduct of the eu wcq ticket? Hundreds of players didn't get advance tickets because it sold out in 1 minute. After that, there was an option for late check-in at the venue after 5pm, but they didn't tell us where it would be until the last minutes. We also got in line, but since there was no cordon placed, it quickly became a crowd. I was stuck in the middle and for an hour I couldn't move, I could barely breathe, the crowd was so tight. If i could have gone out i would have. What kind of organization is this???
Very good points, especially about card design and prizing. We all knew power creep was inevitable. However, konami needs to make sure that the power creep doesn't destroy the game. It's possible. Look at tear format. Not only was it skill based, but a lot of people enjoyed it. Despite it being a tier 0 format. Power should not decrease skill, or ingenuity. If they want to increase the power, fine but then they need to make sure it's a hard deck to play well.
Yeah, the "enjoyable t0" point people made about tear is very overblown (I personally enjoyed Tear very much, but i can see the non Tear player's reaction were very much the same as non-SE players). If you were not playing Tear, you were also on a Shifter deck (sound familiar?) and also hoping you have an out to their Bagooska. If i have to look for a difference, the difference is that Agido and Kelbek were so ridiculous, that if you milled well with them you can try to equalize the advantage of going first (because there are only so many HOPTs you can use) to try to outplay your opponent. I'd actually be interested to see full power tear (that we had 1 week of because deck was hit a week after PHHY releaseed) versus full power SEFS, minus the Beatrice dumping turnskip card, to see how the two engines compare.
Yeah Konami doesn't realise how much time and effort people actually put in the game to be good and how this shit affects current pros and any person who wants to become a pro. They don't know that a sane person CANNOT justify booking a ticket and going to another continent to play a card game, which the company of the game spits on the players for being good ir trying. That is why me as well as many other people I know don't want to compete, and even though we love the game, at the end of the day it's just a waste of time and money. This kinda shit as I said makes current pros retire and future duelists not try to become pros, which effectively kills to competitive scene in my opinion.
The competitive scene needs to be reigned in a bit. Konami doesn't change because they know whales will buy cases for SCR chase cards. There needs to be a strategic, short term boycott of a key product to get them to listen
@@spicymemes7458 A more effective strategy would be to significantly boycott an event. The high YCS numbers is all Konami is seeing. Product will sell regardless. It’s time the community moved past voting with your wallet. It is not working.
There is only 1 way that konami does something... We need to go after the stockholders. If they see they could lose money because people are quitting. If konami loses money because of the stockholders are mad they will do something. Capitalism....
Stockholder is bit of a stretch since YGO is not a big part of Konami's business (believe it or not, gym is), but yes, the best way to force change to actually stop participating and/or buy products. You can't convince them that they are doing something wrong, if their products are selling as usual and attendance for events are high as usual.
Well tbh I also went to EU. My 1. big event and the thing I noticed is that its WAAAY MORE worth to win a giant card and then sell it instead of the main event. I still get to play but its way more rewarding. I get the Idea from the Creator which said no Money as Pricepool but this idea is killing competetive yugioh.
It's allways surprising to me to see the community (myself included) react to konami explaining something (like regarding the banlsit late august) and be like " W's in the chat" while it should be normal and actually they should be listening to the community and show that they listen. The only time we ""saw"" (big quotes here) konami listening was actually through content creator when rarity collection 1 was released and it was only to print a shity set that rarity collection 2 was to try to squeeze as much money of something that they don't understand, which is good product from OCG. Now obviously the competitive side of YGO is taking a big hit because of the powercreep, but all the other sides or also weird to look at: -The prizing terrible, i don't think that they should go back to print new cards as prize cards, but printing staples in exclusive rarity for those event or even something that at least feel special like idk a statue like the tsume art one of one iconic monster of the franchise or of the format played (tsume art might be a lot to ask but you get the idea) -The rarity system in the tcg suck ass everyone knows that if they would do like in the OCG a lot of players would still try to go for the shiniest cards and so the product would still sell (if the product is good to begin with) and it would be a start for a much healthier game. -To try to engage with the community (outside of the competitive side) they should really make anime of the lores, and i found it baffling that they have artist (THAT ARE NOT EVEN MENTIONED ANYWHERE) to work on a whole archetype with a story behind and never thought of making an anime of it, it just feels like a waste of a lot of potential and i'm mad that they thought of the animation chronicles for the 25th and didn't even anounced anything afterwards. (btw NDA with artist is stupid it would be a win/win situation if the artist could claime the artwork of the cards but anyway) -There is to many product and stores are struggling to keep up with all the product that comes out and it would be better if they just released one set per season and just put more archétype in one set with less pack filler. For example my store bought a lot of rarity collection 2 thinking tht it would be a good set since rarity collection 1 lasted 2~3weeks and now thay have a bunch of rarity 2 left over... I usually buy a box of the "normal set" to support them and i would like to in this case but rarity 2 is way to expensive and to bad of a set. Anyway, this is just me yapping about a game that i loved and just see being worse and worse, i really hope for the community that is attached to it that the game will rise back but for me it feels weird for me to try again and again... I've tried other TCG's and i feel like YGO has a lot to learn ( wich is so fcking weird because hey have been one of the first on the market) and i also feel better playing other TCG's...
Let’s be completely honest though. The community has been complaining about this for literal years. The prize support has not gotten ANY better yet we have record attendances. Whoever is in charge of prizing for yugioh absolutely does not care. And they certainly do not care how many “pro” players quit yugioh. We complain about prizing. Threaten them that we’re quitting. Time goes by and return to the game when it seems like a good format to return. Play a few formats. Complain that prizing sucks. Quit again. And so on and so on. Back to the cycle
I literally quit from Yugioh to play Magic in the tearlaments meta. Not because was a tier 0 format, but because i see what konami was doing to the game, the game really doesn't excited me more. Now a bit more of one year i couldn't be more hapy because this decision and sad for all of you who decided to play and support the game that we all love. Konami is killing their own game, and it's been a while, the results of this are starting to show up.
a nintendo switch is crazy for such a huge toping of a YCS.They could atleast give u a series X or ps5 but even that is still so sh*t.A picture of n3sh on the beach would of been better 😂
I also quit yugioh and switched over to One Piece. The game feels more rewarding if you are good at it. The game is slower and also cheaper. Much more interaction. Not to talk about the pricing you get. If you top 8 at an event you get 3 Price cards (one fot Top32, 16, 8) and a Serialized card. Total value around 8k if not even more. Not talking about the other stuff you also get like packs, sleeves and so on.
The sad thing is that we can't do anything about it except quitting, Konami is not suddenly going to start giving better prizes or printing better cards just because we cry about it.
Why doesn’t Konami just use snake eye fiendsmith as a ceiling and make support for all our favorite decks throughout YuGiOhs run to bring them up to that ceiling? It would take time but it would make them a ton of money and ultimately it would be like the original anime where you would have the best blue eyes deck or swordsoul player extra players in the world and it would be all about skill.
One of the few locals I know will run super obscure random TCGs like Flesh Blood or even freaking Battle Spirtis but won't touch Yugioh with a 100 meter stick
Yeah this is kinda bad now, I played against Jess some time last year during OTS Champs and realised I still had way too much to learn about this game. It's a shame to see folks leave like this but like Jess was saying there is no more incentive to keep playing comp. It's why I took the decision to not even bother attending this years EUWCQ simply because it wouldn't be worth my time effort and money. I still look forward to playing locals with the guys.
NGL, time rule shenanigans really make me question this game’s competitive integrity and seeing that it is still a widespread way to cheese wins is beyond disappointing.
As someone who has played competitively since 2010, I can concurr with these difficulties. 2018 became the literal worst format in YGO, and it wasnt because of Electrumite, it wasnt because of Gumblar handloop, it wasnt because of True Draco Stun, Danger FTK, Firewall Dragon, Sky Striker... it was because of the ***change of the time rules*** the moment I saw that, I knew the game was going to a bad direction, and now we are seeing it into fruition. The August F/L list has a lot of work to dissolve if they want the game to be as a seldom pace once more. This was a good reaction video, and I feel it for Jess & all of you players topping. Honestly? if its not for sharing with friends, this game isnt worth it competitively anymore.
No “pro” players are quitting. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else have said this. I also don’t think that video is made if she tops or wins the event.
I’m just priced out at this point. I’ve never been a big competitive player but the price of having decent cards and the speed of the game is too much for me. I was excited for white forest because they seemed interesting but even they are expensive and since tearlaments, I’ve felt the game is too fast for me. Like dealing with the occasional hand trap is fun and challenging but with full power tear winning in turn 0 and now high competitive decks that anyone can copy with their credit cards basically doing whatever it wants through almost every hand trap and board breakers takes the fun out of it for me at this point.
... I just fckin love this game so much, even if I'm a more regional/local player. Really hope that Konami can make the game better in the near future. I'm still being positive.
I know it's been going bad way long before that, but the moment they announced that not all mats and sleeves are allowed on the EUWCQ anymore it would have been amazing if like 95% of players just refused to go there in the first place.
People are outraged about prizing already. Meanwhile I'm over here going 5-0 or 4-0 at a local for 1 pack while people in the US get like boxes , half a box or even cases for some tournaments while we don't even have those here. The prizing over here sucks really bad.. and there are almost no real tournaments here either. The prizing could definitely be better. It would be nice, but I'm still just playing for fun > prizing tbh. Which is why I'll just stick to locals with friends for a while. It feels like locals is the only place where I can still enjoy our game after all tbh. Time rules in big events is actually toxic and causes a lot of people to be toxic in the process and it really sucks.
What if they start giving binders with cards from new announced set for top 8 and above and for top 16-64 a box or 2 of the new set that is coming, ik it might be difficult because Konami loves dropping tcg exclusive support last min in those sets but idk just ask the players to not upload the new cards on social media and RUclips. At least you will not need to spend insane amount money each time you go to a YCS or so if you keep performing good in high level events
The game is the same, we just got older with more responsibilities. Maybe as a kid it was cool to spend a lot of money on a deck and compete for a Switch and a mat, but as an adult, I need receipts. Its just a bad investment.
@Ragnarok540 yes. Maxx c is an issue. But I don't hate it either. Remember, we can't side deck in the game yet. So, having an out to your opponent's board, maxx c comes handy. I believe when the mynn c package arrives, Maxx c will be banned. Let's hope.
I get the frustrations but yugioh has always been this way. I don't know why people expected things to change but Konami now has master duel (even less incentive to make better prizing). Every pro player could quit right now...new players will take their place and the cycle continues as it always has lol.
N3sh's voice with commentary with the elephant in the room is S tier. I'm not attending any YCS until Konami changes things. The price of the game is way, way too expensive for what it is
If one of the best players in the world has come to this conclusion, and as someone who started playing competitively a few formats before the tearlament format, I too feel completely doomed. It’s took so much in these past few years to get my invite to the NAWCQ and now it feels like many of my acquired skill set simply won’t be enough to combat this major increase in the power creep and card design. Cards do way too much for very little cost.
Masterduel might be the way to go now going forward if you want to play competitively. The community tournaments for masterduel are so much better than the Konami tournaments
I'm glad you covered this N3sh. Losing Jess from the competitive scene is a blow. You could see she was passionate about the game, Rikka Sunavalon is not a very well represented deck, and to take it to the highest level multiple times showed the weight of her knowledge, experience and skill. Maybe she is not quite the household name like some of the other Yugitubers in terms of impact, but it isn't good for the game to not see someone like her at the premier events anymore. She isn't easily replacable, this is sad to see and hear.
I remember quitting yugioh about 10 years ago. But after the last 4 years of travelling South East Asia, I can say with confidence the the OCG is where its at. You can easily build a Meta deck for about 200$, huge amounts of kids are playing and cards are not short printed into oblivion. Sets are released once every month. The only thing that makes people play it less there is that the prizes are also quite lack luster, but at least your not paying over 1000$.
Locals is rewarding its just when the same locals have lorcane, one piece, magic, flesh and blood locals and the prizing for playing those instead is so mutch more, the other day the winner of lorcana locals won a 200eu card. When did yugioh gave anithing of value for winning locals.
I've only been playing yugioh for a year but I got my invite and was glad to meet you in Berlin. But I'm really not happy with the new maxx c style cards coming out so I'm taking a step back even though I only just started. At least you got top 64, I was the guy who interrupted your smoke break after you lost to Gabriel Netz, you seemed fairly upset.
Yugioh needs summoning sickness. First turn, a monster summoned can't use their effects or attack. Game would definitely be way more interesting for both players.
In the past year or 2 I've gotten back into yugioh. Always watching the show and playing with the most jank pile of cards with friends, the game was fun before, never knowing what your opponent would do, with the biggest mirror force wiping the field completely shifting the game. Even though I still and will forever love yugioh, it has gotten annoying what it is becoming, a game of pulling hand traps and board breakers or else you completely lose because you don't have your 1 card starter and whatever. I hate it because it just stops people from playing the game, this skill based game where interaction between cards is the most enticing aspect of the game, but with hand traps and all of that stuff, you can just say 'no' to whatever your opponent is trying to do. It just promotes boring and unlikable gameplay, as people who play are forced to fill nearly half of their decks with hand traps and interrupts to stop the opponent from playing so that you just can. It isn't what it was like all those years ago, cracking a few packs and maybe a structure deck and make a random deck to play with, or competitively creating a fun and interactive deck, the fun of playing with your opponent and figuring out how certain interactions work and so forth has begun to rapidly decline. I'm sure there is more to rant about, but this is already long enough, but it truly is sad to see the people who have loved the game for so long start to drop it because of this
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@@N3shTCG i subscribe for the unfiltered RAGE
N3sh is already scripting his own "I quit" video in the background
@@elin111 oh HELL NAH
@@N3shTCG i wish all the best for you bro, but I hate Konami
Konami doesn't deserve its players or ownership of yugioh.
Cry
They don't own yugioh. At least know what you're talking about...wtf do they have to make a video about it it very narcissistic. The best part is most of these people don't even pay for thier cards lmao. In no offense, these people quit cause they don't want to adapt. They're upset because the way they play falls out of favor because they Don't Want To adapt and learn that people get Better. That's really what it is, but you guys can call it.Whatever you guys want to call, it b******* excuses
@@djjorge87id say toxic bootlickers like you hurt the game the most. The players that you are insulting are literally better than you could ever hope to be. Jess here got top 8 at the world championship and walked out with nothing. No prizes, no money, nothing. Every other card game rewards their big names, and for good reason. Konami is just a bad company.
@@djjorge87cry
@@djjorge87 wtf are you even talking about, its not that jessica stopped topping and then decided to quit, "these people" quit because being good at this game its NOT worth it, period.
You have no idea of the work, the testing and the effort it requires to be as good at yugioh, and konami does not care about rewarding that work in ANY way.
"To adapt and learn that people get Better" people always got better, there always were new faces in the game, no one ever complained. How can you not understand how frustrated someone can be after realizing all his work is literally ignored while other people are working half of what he's doing and getting 10k for every top cut appereance
Konami TCG prints all the best cards in high rarity or short prints them, translating to the best decks cost upwards of $1000 for a chance to compete. Why are we not getting affordable prices like the OCG if monetary prizing goes against their philosophy? The company is full of hypocrisy and greed.
Except we are getting reprints soon after. And look what decks have been good at for example eu wcq?
Tenpai core costs nothing, trident is the only expensive card and he dropped a lot. Full core easy 70 bucks, staples are cheap cause reprints. You use shifter and every boardbreaker in this world and you can easy beat the top decks with it.
So please stop crying about the prices its copium
Full power ritual beast is also 150 bucks
@@al99901The only reason why SE fiendsmith only represented ~50% of the top cut is because the engine literally came out a week before the event and most people are straight up prized out and unable to afford it. The deck is obviously worlds better than everything else right now
To get a change the pros need to make the move and boycott the game. It doesnt make sense (for players like me) to buy a deck, pay a ticket, and book accommodations without a chance of financial reward.
@@al99901OCG also gets reprints, so this is a non-answer. Also, reprints take at least a year to be released. In the end, what happens is that Konami intentionally allows degenerate strats to exist because they cannot ban them prior to reprinting them, they finally reprint said cards, and THEN, after people finally have access to all cards, they proceed to ban them.
Australian player here.
I judged 2 premier events this year( YCS and a states event), and played 1 premier event (Oceanics), and got top 8.
We had better event coverage of our states event in Victoria then any other event. YCS had a written blog that went up 2 weeks AFTER the event. We haven't been given the majority of our additional prizing for making top cut at Oceanic's yet(top cut mat, sleeves, master sets etc)
In comparison, both events i judged, both of the prizing compensation covered at a minimum, the travel to the event.
We're not asking for money, we just want something that makes the top feel memorable(exclusive event cards for example).
Your country are near legal ocg region, stop complaining and play ocg instead.
Seriously, stop giving Konami money until you see the changes you want. Complaining but still buying cards will not change anything.
It's not buying cards, it's buying sets, boxes. Supporting locals. Which, if players don't do, the game /actually/ dies.
People are also forgetting Andres Torres also left the game to. Right after the uds champion ship. The guy played his brains out with unlimited branded deck!
Gabriel Soussi also announced that he is retiring from competitive play. People leaving will make people leave, because competing in a non-competitive environment (because of card prices, card design or just lack of good players on the scene) make no sense, this is gonna be a hard period for Yugioh if you ask me
How is it going to be non competitve,how many events have these 2 won this year?New competitive players have risen,people like anthony lopez has just started.
@@kinofchaos9085
Antony Lopez is not „just starting“ 😳
He‘s a veteran by now
He is in my team, so I know it
@@kinofchaos9085 How about christian Urena who won b2b YCS this year?, how about Dinh Khang who preferred to play lorcana that the WCQ this weekend and so many more pros as well...
@@akhileshprayag3553how about no one outside that bubbles actually cares that they quit? To think that it‘s gets less competetive just because some players quit is insane to me. This has absolutely no impact. Let‘s say if the influencers like Josh, DBGrinder and so on would quit - I get it that would probably have an impact but because some high performing players na-ah.
@@Semir972 josh and austin does not go to events like these guys...
I saw this quote somewhere. It was along the lines of:
"The longevity of a culture/language etc. is practiced by its youngest members".
1. Older players are experiencing burnout and we're only STARTING to see the consequences. We'll see more as time goes by.
2. The game is too expensive for younger players to get into to replace the old.
3. Bad game design where Konami CONSISTENTLY makes broken cards that enable boards that prevent the other person from playing the game is the antithesis of a two player game. If there's no back and forth gameplay, it's not a two player game anymore. People will only tolerate so much before they quit because there's no point in playing if they don't get a chance to play in the first place.
I heard Dinh khang Pham is also testing lorcana now 😅
I‘m not testing
I‘m grinding it 🤣
omg the deck building goat?!! He is here!
OMG IT'S @@dkphame WITH A STEEL CHAIR, JR!
For the prizing/money debate, it would be so easy for them to give out crazy variants of cards that are competitive or a shit ton of product or valuable product. Such an easy middle ground. A playmat and a prize card blows.
Exactly, I'm also sick of hearing that excuse that Kazuki Takahashi said no to having money as prizing while placing 1st in every other TCG right now can pay for 2 years of college(in Europe). It's just sad.
really? u will compete for overpriced playmat?
@@serenity9260 literally no one said that lmao
A special variant of a meta card is really good enough.
@unamusedrowlett6303 Well he's gone now, so I am sure they can take a new direction.
The game feels horrendous to me at the moment. I've seen all my closest friends move to other games (Lorcana, One Piece, Pokemon, MTG, Digimon, Dragonball, etc.).
I have no reason to play socially, no reason to improve at the physical game since you can just get Mullcharmyed, Shiftered, Protossed, Skill Drained, or hit by any other lingering effect that, in most scenarios, are impossible to outplay.
It has gotten to the point that I'd rather play in Master Duel, a format with fucking Maxx C, than to play with how the design of the game and time rules overlap.
The price of the game is hilarious as well. For the price of a Fiendsmith package I can make multiple topping decks in multiple games. Why is it that if I want to optimize a shit pet deck, I have spend the equivalent of a monthly car payment on cardboard?!
Why is it that I see amazing players with genuine passion for the game look like raccoons in a trash can when they open their prize packs, hoping they pull something that they can sell? Why aren't they being rewarded for their skill, work ethic, knowledge and passion?
Then you have the store owners that I personally feel like I betray by not wanting to even go to locals. They put the effort to run and promote tournaments just so that players won't show up due to this shit format.
I love this game and always will, but I'm so disappointed at how it is now that I don't even want to play.
Konami being reluctant to ban new cards is an issue, especially with cards like Purulia. The fact Konami made the Multcharmies to try to fix Maxx C is honestly a good thing given how divisive Maxx C is, but it's the kind of card that is easy to screw up balance wise.
Also yeah, why is Drytron Nova a 20€ card ?
About the luck thing, 90% of the luck involved in YGO is determined before either player plays a single card. Once you know what your hand is, and especially once you get a good idea of what your opponent's hand looks like, the amount of luck involved goes WAY down. Both you and your opponent know what you're going to have access to for the rest of the game at that point. That's what leads to the best players doing well so often compared to other games - when you don't have to worry about topdecks, whoever is able to assess the gamestate better is going to win more often than not, even if they definitely shouldn't have with better play. Cards like Shifter and other lingering floodgates, however, are so oppressively one-sided that they basically invalidate that skill. And when both players play well enough to win the games they're supposed to win, Game 3 often comes down to the RNG of Dogwood vs Lacrima
Imagine going 16-0, losing the finals to puppet lock only to move into one of the worst formats ever and all that just to get a plastic trophy. You lose money even if you are in top 10 players... yeah quitting makes sense
Why you acting lame plants aren’t just as lame 😭
Indeed, playing an actual complex combo deck like Plants only to lose to a braindead lingering floodgate... Everything wrong with YGO
Played vs tear at full power numerous times and I would rather have this back than this format. It was super interactive and many decks were able to beat tear if handtrapped right. this format is just so combo guaranteed that your handtraps feel so useless and you rather take boardbreakers.
Can we also talk about how rogue decks/ are not viable anymore e
in my comment i referred to this, im more annoyed by the fact that the "spirit" of rogue is being lost.
For me a part of a rogue deck was always the affordability. Rogue decks werent the meta decks, hence their cards were cheaper. Now my chimera deck needs the fiendsmith engine to even be viable as a rogue deck and the fiendsmith engine costs more than my entire chimera illusion deck. White forest elzette and astellar go for 100 dollars a playset as well, not to mention any mulcharmys, dogwoods, etc.
Same with Memento
It's been proven time and time again that people can look past the shit prizing if the game is fun to play and relatively easy to get into with a budge and effective deck. When the format feels like ass, it just makes all the other issues unbearable
In these trying times, I'm happy that you are here as one of the strongest remaining soldiers in YGO.
We love you as a player and as a person. We love your content and your personality as well.
Stay strong N3sh, so we can also stay strong and not quit this game.
I've got a few dozens more normal summon snake eye ash in me before I break.
lets rock it up brother!
Nice to meet you in Berlin! I was shiftered 3 matches in a row and dropped 3-0-3 by round 6.
Sold fiendsmith snake eye to the vendors.
I cant take this game seriously anymore when there are lingering floodgates in the gane.
Then most of locals play the best decks when your their to compete and have fun at the same time but nope can’t, like your trying your best for $30 store credit is funny to me but what can I say. I don’t play the best deck. I tried to be different but man it’s crazy
@@kennymaldonado3452 I just picked up mannadium for fun (didn't even have lichtheart or cross sheep) , got first place at my OTS last night and pulled an ulti chaos angel as they still had spare OTS 24.
Most fun ive had in months. Everyone else who was at euros for the main event ran jank aswell.
This meta is just terrible, handtraps dont do enough, so you have to run shifter/ droll paired with another handtrap or breakers etc.
My final game against tenpai, they shiftered me in dp, i went for the i:p, temple and oak in st zone line.
They had lightning storm lmao.
Like what am I supposed to do.
I dislike lingering floodgates but right now it's how you beat two of the three best decks. The format isn't healthy so degenerate cards are being played.
@@kennymaldonado3452Most people at local play unfun jank and this community is not ready to talk about it. I’m not surprised locals are dying when you see DW, Floo, Stun, or pure going 2nd.
@@WShoup9818 Unfortunately true.
I only got into ygo through MD and before tear format hit MD for half a year. Tear format was the most fun I have had and Fire format made me realize how miserable i feel playing now
Tear format was crazy interactive that's why so many people enjoyed it.
People never played for the prizing (obviously) but instead for prestige. Now that is so hard to obtain too. What are they playing for at this point?
What is the incentive for konami to change, each tournament has been seeing increase number in attendance, heck they broke a world record in Japan's 10th ycs, at this point we might as well create an underground tournament and have the community handle it themselves.
they tried that with ARG Circuit Series and The PPG Pro Tour, it didnt work out that well iirc. AFAIK PPG is still doing stuff, but i dont think they do Yugioh at all anymore, or if they do i have not heard shit about that.
@@sparda191 I think the reason YCS numbers are going up is because local scenes are dying. And a lot of card shops are either closing or not carrying yugioh.
@Furnabulax1 i remember those two, I don't remember why they stopped, but it's been a..., I don't want to say almost a decade but at least more than 6 years since I've heard about them. I wonder if, in this current time, would the idea be more likely to flourish.
@dpacula63 I, too, have seen some stores close in my local area, but in that same vein, I saw new stores pop up and grow. It most likely depends on your location. But i don't think there is a way to correlate some area closing or not supporting ygo tcg with an increase in tournament attendance. Regardless of the why's, I dont know if konami per se cares as long as the product is being bought and their events attended at record numbers. Which is what I was trying to say. It's hard to get a company to care when their wallets keep getting filled.
@@sparda191 It's been well known for years that events are not run even close to breaking even. Pokemon events, MTG events and YCS's are ran as loss leaders and are more for marketing than being used to make profit off of. So 3rd parties like ARG and PPG probably completely lost their funding from sponsors to break even when the pandemic happened. After those 2 years alot of sponsor brands pulled out of so many shakey scenes because the pandemic hit them so hard. Sponsors not having money to help out 3rd party event oranizers means there is no way to run a 3rd party circuit unless it's being funded by a billionaire that doesnt care about lighting money on fire.
I feel it, there's no reason to go to high tier tournaments, the prize for being top is trash. I still love Yugioh, but Konami doesn't give any incentive to be pro player.
You're supposed to want it for the title but the prices don't agree with that ambition
I think I'm in the minority here, I dont think every game needs to be like esports. Winning a tourney should be for the title and trophies for you to show off because you love the game, not because of monetary/materialistic value (although a special edition of smth are still welcome). Yugioh is, after all a children's card game.
With that said, from the perspective of an OCG player, I still think that the prices over in TCG is ridiculous.
@@furensuko This, I too have a gripe with TCG's card prices and ridiculous rarity, but complaining that your TCG hobby can't be your side gig is just ridiculous. If that's how you want to view the game then just move to another TCG (i know people have) much like how you switch jobs.
that said, I think changing prizes to something that's actually more relevant to the game itself definitely makes more sense. Like many have said, promo cards for popular/meta cards is a very long-hanging fruit instead of packs that nobody needs when you already show up to an event with a fully functional deck, or yet another playmat (how many playmats do you need? lol).
Prizing is actually even more important than banlist balance and game health, if there is no one serious about the game, then it is as good as dead. Dreams and ambition is what makes any game fun after the first contact.
NOT THE UNSELLABLE GLUTTONIA 😭
I don't think that it's this meta specifically that's making people quit I think it's that this like the 5th oppressive, power creeping meta IN A ROW. Konami is slowly beating down they're player base and people are just tired.
Tbh, if konami really cared about this game they should release a list with at least 8 cards banned and as many limited to one. And sadly i don't think they will do
We are at a point where they have to hit about 70 cards to maybe balance this game.
@@Ragnarok540 that's too much. But the issue is that the most problematic cards are from the newst set and konami doesn't want to touch a set that it's still in store.
Realistically, the cards tgat should be banned are:
Ban
Flamberge
Original
Closed moon
Lurrie
Sanctifire
Shifter
Dbarrier
Simul archfiend (this is litterally dbarrier 2.0)
Beatrice
Just because you don't want to hit fiendsmith directly. Became we all know that requiem will get banned at somepoint.
But then, you still have the mulcharmy problem
Unfortunately this is not a big issue or discussion in Japan with the player base. As long as the Japanese player base is quiet about this issue nothing will change.
Here’s the thing though Japan doesn’t have the issue that the TCG has. The OCG is way different in terms of just how the cards come. You get high rarity versions and low rarity versions of the same card
@@JohnnyMacs19 This is not about the price of the cards, she doesn't even mention this issue at all. It's about the time and effort required to be a pro, alongside international travel costs.
sono stato anche io al wcq quest'anno (sono il ragazzo che ti ha chiesto la firma sopra al ponix c:) e ci sono andato preparato a tutto, dopo mesi di testing, dopo aver comprato la base snake-eyes, e nonostante io abbia giocato benissimo tutte le partite, veramente, ho sbagliato pochissime cose, non ero preparato a perdere al tempo. avevo previsto che sarebbe successo e ho sideato spooky dogwood, ma in quelle situazioni o la peschi tu o la pesca il tuo avversario. e se non la pesca nessuno vince chi può evocare lacrimosa in quel turno. Credo che questa sia stata la parte peggiore di tutto l'europeo e chiunque ci sia stato può concordare.
Jess is a genius (no sunseed pun) and a true ray of light in the yugioh-sphere. I hope the game evolves into something she wants to be a part of, I’m not even European and I already feel like something is missing. Big love to her and also to the rest of us playing this game we’ve loved since we were kids.
I have been watching your videos since the very beginning and love them all, sir.
Thanks a lot
@N3shTCG You welcome, sir.
Hearing that she walked out empty handed after getting TOP 8 was a bombshell to me. In Pokémon, the package you get for simply entering worlds is almost worth $2000 alone.
You get more getting top 64 at a pokemon regional than you do getting top 64 at a YCS. Pokemon gives you $500 USD and 36 boosters of the most recently released set for getting 33rd-64th place. So you could literally win a YCS, leave with a like $300 switch, a garbo vanilla that no one wants to buy, a playmat thats like $50 and a trophy. Then go to a pokemon event get top 64 and make easily double that. That shits wild
I just learn Yugioh lately... feel very sad for Competitive players. Subscribed for the same sadness and rage.
I think the biggest problem is Snake-eyes has just lasted too long. I'm not so sure people would care about the $1000+ price tags if Snake-eyes wasn't outright the best option. Last year at Kash's peak it was almost $1200 but it didn't bother anyone because you still had options and you had a real chance to win with something else.
It's times like these when we really need to bring back the Guu Cast! The Yugioh community needs it now more than ever!
31:16 If you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you
@voidhug Look whose there
@@basedandconfused6357 𝓱𝓲 𝓫𝓻𝓸
@@basedandconfused6357 bro ending the video with a nietzsche quote is crazy
@@voidhug fr fr
Disappointing is probably the right description for the general feel of the game as of late, in my opinion its been a downward spiral since tearlament release in terms of accessibility and attracting factors for the game, its gotten progressively worse as konami has increased focus on shareholders over customers
I’ve been playing properly since about 2020 and Jess was like 80% of the reason I picked up a good combo deck and really started to improve as a player. Sad times 😢
So many good points and reasons to quit. I stepped away but I am keeping tabs on yugioh since February. The game is still heading towards a direction I dislike as well. I feel like a master rule is needed rn IMO
Nah just a banlist overhaul
A master rule could spark just as much hate as they currently have. What the game seriously needs is to tune the power level down a few levels. No one enjoys tier 0 formats and konami made it clear that the remaining of the year will also be a tier 0 format with fiendsmith( will take at least 2-3 banlist before they start hitting them). In the last 2-3 years we have been in almost a non stop tier 0 formats set up
@solarium4884 The thing is, though, we are no longer in a Tier 0 format. If you look at the landscape of Yugioh currently at this state, where we are at is a very powerful deck, Snake-Eyes Fiendsmith, where other decks exist to counter it with degenerate playstyle and lingering effects. Konami allowing Snake-Eyes to set the bar for yugioh has promoted the use of shifter, multcharmy, heat wave, protos, spooky dogwood, and more in other yugioh decks to take down the fair but overpowered Snake-Eyes Fiendsmith deck from its Tier 0 pedalstaool. Konami has made an FTK deck in the format rn (gimmick puppets), this is not an OK counter. Yugioh is in a bad spot right now. I say a master rule is needed because a banlist will not keep yugioh from spiraling downwards. Unless Konami establishes a goal of how they want the game to be interactive and not only ban Snake-Eyes but also hit many other cards that exist in the game that are allowing other decks with lingering effect flood gates to top.
@@solarium4884I disagree, we need a master rule change asap. They lower the power level, and they will just release power crept cards again. They have been doing this for the past decade. They can’t do card balance. We need a whole rule change at this point.
@@BanditTools thats why I said tune down the power level. Make it so decks aren't allowed to be stronger than x level. They can do ton of stuff, crazy stuff, but not surpass that ceiling.
Master rule will only work at the start of it. If it's a master rule like Mr4 I think ( the one everyone hated), people will hate it. If it's a good Mr, it's only a matter of time until konami starts releasing broken cards for more profit and yet again breaks the game. Other games have soul etc which automatically puts somewhat of a ceiling to what the decks can do. Yugioh doesn't have that
Love the honesty ❤ appreciate this.
I have never been a highly competitive player, lack of time and money has kept me from being that, but for me at the moment i have never felt this priced out of playing yugioh. Its been going for a while now, and yes yugioh has always been an expensive hobby and there always have been expensive decks but for me there always was a cheap alternative. I was really excited to play white forest and then i check the cardmarket prices on release and astellar/ elzette go for 90-120 euros per playset, 200 euros combined and that is 6 cards out of the main deck, no mulcharmies, no dogwoods.
I dont know if this is accurate but for me it feels like the game has never been this expensive.
Before fiendsmiths came out i played illusion chimera and was a big fan of the deck (fusing 3 cards into guard chimera, triggering 4 effs and going + 5 was sick) and it was an actually viable and nice cheaper option especially after the release of illusion apprentice. Now fiendsmith is out and its just so demotivating to know, my cheap rogue-ish deck option is now 400 euros more expensive or just strictly worse without the fiendsmith engine.
Same for mementos, i was incredibly excited for the new memento cards, but fiendsmith memento is also just strictly better. There goes another budget option.
Its just very demotivating
I get how you feel n3sh, i also got top 64 at euros and only got a Playmat as prizing. My bros went to locals had better prizing 😢
Jess leaving it’s really sad nothing better then watching her clime to the top with plants
Pretty sure that's a man not a her......
@@adamking5563wow you're so cool you just called the trans person by the wrong gender on purpose I wish I could be just like you bro
All i would like from this game is a format like the AGOV one and this one is very far from my ideal
They are making new hand traps and formats that are basically making older decks unplayable instead of trying to balance the game like when tear or kashtira were meta.
If being a top competive player and doing something awesome like being a EU NATIONAL champion and Top8 at worlds! Doesnt give you enough gratification, then prizing was never the problem. Fix your mentality.
What is your opinion on the conduct of the eu wcq ticket? Hundreds of players didn't get advance tickets because it sold out in 1 minute. After that, there was an option for late check-in at the venue after 5pm, but they didn't tell us where it would be until the last minutes.
We also got in line, but since there was no cordon placed, it quickly became a crowd. I was stuck in the middle and for an hour I couldn't move, I could barely breathe, the crowd was so tight. If i could have gone out i would have. What kind of organization is this???
Very good points, especially about card design and prizing. We all knew power creep was inevitable. However, konami needs to make sure that the power creep doesn't destroy the game. It's possible. Look at tear format. Not only was it skill based, but a lot of people enjoyed it. Despite it being a tier 0 format. Power should not decrease skill, or ingenuity. If they want to increase the power, fine but then they need to make sure it's a hard deck to play well.
A lot of people did not enjoy it….
Yeah, the "enjoyable t0" point people made about tear is very overblown (I personally enjoyed Tear very much, but i can see the non Tear player's reaction were very much the same as non-SE players). If you were not playing Tear, you were also on a Shifter deck (sound familiar?) and also hoping you have an out to their Bagooska. If i have to look for a difference, the difference is that Agido and Kelbek were so ridiculous, that if you milled well with them you can try to equalize the advantage of going first (because there are only so many HOPTs you can use) to try to outplay your opponent.
I'd actually be interested to see full power tear (that we had 1 week of because deck was hit a week after PHHY releaseed) versus full power SEFS, minus the Beatrice dumping turnskip card, to see how the two engines compare.
N3sh just did a "cazziatone" to Konami, which means a really painful rebuke.
Yeah Konami doesn't realise how much time and effort people actually put in the game to be good and how this shit affects current pros and any person who wants to become a pro. They don't know that a sane person CANNOT justify booking a ticket and going to another continent to play a card game, which the company of the game spits on the players for being good ir trying. That is why me as well as many other people I know don't want to compete, and even though we love the game, at the end of the day it's just a waste of time and money. This kinda shit as I said makes current pros retire and future duelists not try to become pros, which effectively kills to competitive scene in my opinion.
The competitive scene needs to be reigned in a bit. Konami doesn't change because they know whales will buy cases for SCR chase cards. There needs to be a strategic, short term boycott of a key product to get them to listen
@@spicymemes7458 A more effective strategy would be to significantly boycott an event. The high YCS numbers is all Konami is seeing. Product will sell regardless. It’s time the community moved past voting with your wallet. It is not working.
6:58 funny enough the guy playing snake eyes in top4 at euros is not playing spooky dogwood😂😂
There is only 1 way that konami does something... We need to go after the stockholders. If they see they could lose money because people are quitting. If konami loses money because of the stockholders are mad they will do something. Capitalism....
Stockholder is bit of a stretch since YGO is not a big part of Konami's business (believe it or not, gym is), but yes, the best way to force change to actually stop participating and/or buy products. You can't convince them that they are doing something wrong, if their products are selling as usual and attendance for events are high as usual.
Well tbh I also went to EU. My 1. big event and the thing I noticed is that its WAAAY MORE worth to win a giant card and then sell it instead of the main event. I still get to play but its way more rewarding. I get the Idea from the Creator which said no Money as Pricepool but this idea is killing competetive yugioh.
It's allways surprising to me to see the community (myself included) react to konami explaining something (like regarding the banlsit late august) and be like " W's in the chat" while it should be normal and actually they should be listening to the community and show that they listen.
The only time we ""saw"" (big quotes here) konami listening was actually through content creator when rarity collection 1 was released and it was only to print a shity set that rarity collection 2 was to try to squeeze as much money of something that they don't understand, which is good product from OCG.
Now obviously the competitive side of YGO is taking a big hit because of the powercreep, but all the other sides or also weird to look at:
-The prizing terrible, i don't think that they should go back to print new cards as prize cards, but printing staples in exclusive rarity for those event or even something that at least feel special like idk a statue like the tsume art one of one iconic monster of the franchise or of the format played (tsume art might be a lot to ask but you get the idea)
-The rarity system in the tcg suck ass everyone knows that if they would do like in the OCG a lot of players would still try to go for the shiniest cards and so the product would still sell (if the product is good to begin with) and it would be a start for a much healthier game.
-To try to engage with the community (outside of the competitive side) they should really make anime of the lores, and i found it baffling that they have artist (THAT ARE NOT EVEN MENTIONED ANYWHERE) to work on a whole archetype with a story behind and never thought of making an anime of it, it just feels like a waste of a lot of potential and i'm mad that they thought of the animation chronicles for the 25th and didn't even anounced anything afterwards. (btw NDA with artist is stupid it would be a win/win situation if the artist could claime the artwork of the cards but anyway)
-There is to many product and stores are struggling to keep up with all the product that comes out and it would be better if they just released one set per season and just put more archétype in one set with less pack filler. For example my store bought a lot of rarity collection 2 thinking tht it would be a good set since rarity collection 1 lasted 2~3weeks and now thay have a bunch of rarity 2 left over... I usually buy a box of the "normal set" to support them and i would like to in this case but rarity 2 is way to expensive and to bad of a set.
Anyway, this is just me yapping about a game that i loved and just see being worse and worse, i really hope for the community that is attached to it that the game will rise back but for me it feels weird for me to try again and again... I've tried other TCG's and i feel like YGO has a lot to learn ( wich is so fcking weird because hey have been one of the first on the market) and i also feel better playing other TCG's...
Let’s be completely honest though. The community has been complaining about this for literal years. The prize support has not gotten ANY better yet we have record attendances. Whoever is in charge of prizing for yugioh absolutely does not care. And they certainly do not care how many “pro” players quit yugioh.
We complain about prizing.
Threaten them that we’re quitting. Time goes by and return to the game when it seems like a good format to return. Play a few formats. Complain that prizing sucks. Quit again. And so on and so on. Back to the cycle
I literally quit from Yugioh to play Magic in the tearlaments meta. Not because was a tier 0 format, but because i see what konami was doing to the game, the game really doesn't excited me more. Now a bit more of one year i couldn't be more hapy because this decision and sad for all of you who decided to play and support the game that we all love. Konami is killing their own game, and it's been a while, the results of this are starting to show up.
I feel your anger, N3sh. Even as good I am at gaming, I haven't played competitive yugioh in about a year now. The game is just bad now.
a nintendo switch is crazy for such a huge toping of a YCS.They could atleast give u a series X or ps5 but even that is still so sh*t.A picture of n3sh on the beach would of been better 😂
I also quit yugioh and switched over to One Piece. The game feels more rewarding if you are good at it. The game is slower and also cheaper. Much more interaction. Not to talk about the pricing you get. If you top 8 at an event you get 3 Price cards (one fot Top32, 16, 8) and a Serialized card. Total value around 8k if not even more. Not talking about the other stuff you also get like packs, sleeves and so on.
The sad thing is that we can't do anything about it except quitting, Konami is not suddenly going to start giving better prizes or printing better cards just because we cry about it.
What other option do you have other than voting with wallet and you’re feet by going to a different TCG or just walk away from yugioh
Don't think the banlist will even save YGO rn. GG Konami.
Why doesn’t Konami just use snake eye fiendsmith as a ceiling and make support for all our favorite decks throughout YuGiOhs run to bring them up to that ceiling? It would take time but it would make them a ton of money and ultimately it would be like the original anime where you would have the best blue eyes deck or swordsoul player extra players in the world and it would be all about skill.
This was a good video, and way more respectful towards Jess, than a certain other youtuber/streamers reaction
???? Who????
@@NivskaTCG Cali (he streamed yesterday)
@@ElaMarstrandwtf this unacceptable
Where when i can see the video?
@@giohimejima the entire stream is on The Cali Effects twitch
One of the few locals I know will run super obscure random TCGs like Flesh Blood or even freaking Battle Spirtis but won't touch Yugioh with a 100 meter stick
Yeah this is kinda bad now, I played against Jess some time last year during OTS Champs and realised I still had way too much to learn about this game. It's a shame to see folks leave like this but like Jess was saying there is no more incentive to keep playing comp. It's why I took the decision to not even bother attending this years EUWCQ simply because it wouldn't be worth my time effort and money.
I still look forward to playing locals with the guys.
NGL, time rule shenanigans really make me question this game’s competitive integrity and seeing that it is still a widespread way to cheese wins is beyond disappointing.
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promax
As someone who has played competitively since 2010, I can concurr with these difficulties. 2018 became the literal worst format in YGO, and it wasnt because of Electrumite, it wasnt because of Gumblar handloop, it wasnt because of True Draco Stun, Danger FTK, Firewall Dragon, Sky Striker... it was because of the ***change of the time rules*** the moment I saw that, I knew the game was going to a bad direction, and now we are seeing it into fruition. The August F/L list has a lot of work to dissolve if they want the game to be as a seldom pace once more. This was a good reaction video, and I feel it for Jess & all of you players topping. Honestly? if its not for sharing with friends, this game isnt worth it competitively anymore.
Agreed nesh idk what to do fix this game tearlaments traumatized me
No “pro” players are quitting. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else have said this.
I also don’t think that video is made if she tops or wins the event.
I’m just priced out at this point. I’ve never been a big competitive player but the price of having decent cards and the speed of the game is too much for me. I was excited for white forest because they seemed interesting but even they are expensive and since tearlaments, I’ve felt the game is too fast for me. Like dealing with the occasional hand trap is fun and challenging but with full power tear winning in turn 0 and now high competitive decks that anyone can copy with their credit cards basically doing whatever it wants through almost every hand trap and board breakers takes the fun out of it for me at this point.
... I just fckin love this game so much, even if I'm a more regional/local player. Really hope that Konami can make the game better in the near future. I'm still being positive.
Boycott their main events frfr
I know it's been going bad way long before that, but the moment they announced that not all mats and sleeves are allowed on the EUWCQ anymore it would have been amazing if like 95% of players just refused to go there in the first place.
People are outraged about prizing already. Meanwhile I'm over here going 5-0 or 4-0 at a local for 1 pack while people in the US get like boxes , half a box or even cases for some tournaments while we don't even have those here. The prizing over here sucks really bad.. and there are almost no real tournaments here either. The prizing could definitely be better. It would be nice, but I'm still just playing for fun > prizing tbh. Which is why I'll just stick to locals with friends for a while. It feels like locals is the only place where I can still enjoy our game after all tbh. Time rules in big events is actually toxic and causes a lot of people to be toxic in the process and it really sucks.
Yugioh has been trash for over a decade now, I'll remember the good times but it's over
What if they start giving binders with cards from new announced set for top 8 and above and for top 16-64 a box or 2 of the new set that is coming, ik it might be difficult because Konami loves dropping tcg exclusive support last min in those sets but idk just ask the players to not upload the new cards on social media and RUclips. At least you will not need to spend insane amount money each time you go to a YCS or so if you keep performing good in high level events
The game is the same, we just got older with more responsibilities. Maybe as a kid it was cool to spend a lot of money on a deck and compete for a Switch and a mat, but as an adult, I need receipts. Its just a bad investment.
So true man i feel that
Just play master duel. The master duel game is much much more well balanced than the tcg competitive counterpart. I'm having a blast playing it.
Pros: you can play it completely F2P. Cons: Maxx C.
@Ragnarok540 yes. Maxx c is an issue. But I don't hate it either. Remember, we can't side deck in the game yet. So, having an out to your opponent's board, maxx c comes handy. I believe when the mynn c package arrives, Maxx c will be banned. Let's hope.
It is so sad to see so many players quit because the game is so fun and unqiue
I get the frustrations but yugioh has always been this way. I don't know why people expected things to change but Konami now has master duel (even less incentive to make better prizing). Every pro player could quit right now...new players will take their place and the cycle continues as it always has lol.
N3sh's voice with commentary with the elephant in the room is S tier.
I'm not attending any YCS until Konami changes things. The price of the game is way, way too expensive for what it is
Great video, solid points. But I can't unsee the thumbnail picture as N3sh taking an angry shit 😂
Bro Konami doesn't believe in rogue decks >_> like I can't even try playing my pet decks anymore
If one of the best players in the world has come to this conclusion, and as someone who started playing competitively a few formats before the tearlament format, I too feel completely doomed. It’s took so much in these past few years to get my invite to the NAWCQ and now it feels like many of my acquired skill set simply won’t be enough to combat this major increase in the power creep and card design. Cards do way too much for very little cost.
Masterduel might be the way to go now going forward if you want to play competitively. The community tournaments for masterduel are so much better than the Konami tournaments
I'm glad you covered this N3sh. Losing Jess from the competitive scene is a blow. You could see she was passionate about the game, Rikka Sunavalon is not a very well represented deck, and to take it to the highest level multiple times showed the weight of her knowledge, experience and skill. Maybe she is not quite the household name like some of the other Yugitubers in terms of impact, but it isn't good for the game to not see someone like her at the premier events anymore. She isn't easily replacable, this is sad to see and hear.
I remember quitting yugioh about 10 years ago. But after the last 4 years of travelling South East Asia, I can say with confidence the the OCG is where its at. You can easily build a Meta deck for about 200$, huge amounts of kids are playing and cards are not short printed into oblivion. Sets are released once every month. The only thing that makes people play it less there is that the prizes are also quite lack luster, but at least your not paying over 1000$.
Locals is rewarding its just when the same locals have lorcane, one piece, magic, flesh and blood locals and the prizing for playing those instead is so mutch more, the other day the winner of lorcana locals won a 200eu card.
When did yugioh gave anithing of value for winning locals.
We Need someone that wins the event ycs National worlds wathever and on the interwiew complains about prizing, he Will be banned but Is gonna be huge
we need longar rounds and old time rules.. even mtg still does 50 min rds wit 5 turns in time 😑
I've only been playing yugioh for a year but I got my invite and was glad to meet you in Berlin. But I'm really not happy with the new maxx c style cards coming out so I'm taking a step back even though I only just started. At least you got top 64, I was the guy who interrupted your smoke break after you lost to Gabriel Netz, you seemed fairly upset.
Fr i got top 8 dragon duel and only got infinite impermanence not plastified
Gabriel soussi also
He followed that Tweet up if I recall correctly. It's more of a break after a long season.
It is such a shame to see some of the best players of the hardest and most fun card game to ever exist leaving due to konami being a terrible company
Yugioh needs summoning sickness. First turn, a monster summoned can't use their effects or attack. Game would definitely be way more interesting for both players.
yup
3 mulcharmy
3 spooky
3 imperm
3 ash
1 called
3 dimension shifter
3 of the other FUCKIN MULCHARMY
DUDE! WHYYY
No we didnt
Nobody ever quits yugioh.
Promise?
We all know why we're here.
I used to say that, but its just too bad now. Retro formats will never die though
This. People just attention seeking.
Yes, I quit for 5 years after playing for 7 years but came back and have been back for 9 years...
IMO If you want better prizing then you need to re-address time rules so people aren't incentivised to abuse them more than they currently do
In the past year or 2 I've gotten back into yugioh. Always watching the show and playing with the most jank pile of cards with friends, the game was fun before, never knowing what your opponent would do, with the biggest mirror force wiping the field completely shifting the game. Even though I still and will forever love yugioh, it has gotten annoying what it is becoming, a game of pulling hand traps and board breakers or else you completely lose because you don't have your 1 card starter and whatever. I hate it because it just stops people from playing the game, this skill based game where interaction between cards is the most enticing aspect of the game, but with hand traps and all of that stuff, you can just say 'no' to whatever your opponent is trying to do. It just promotes boring and unlikable gameplay, as people who play are forced to fill nearly half of their decks with hand traps and interrupts to stop the opponent from playing so that you just can. It isn't what it was like all those years ago, cracking a few packs and maybe a structure deck and make a random deck to play with, or competitively creating a fun and interactive deck, the fun of playing with your opponent and figuring out how certain interactions work and so forth has begun to rapidly decline.
I'm sure there is more to rant about, but this is already long enough, but it truly is sad to see the people who have loved the game for so long start to drop it because of this
Ngl the opening to the video almost felt like a sermon