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I thought I was the only one who named my Chikorita Littlefoot when I first got her. Yes, her! Somehow, the first time I ever played a Pokemon game (Crystal was my first and the cart I have somehow still works nearly 20 years later), I managed to get that 1 in 8 chance of the starter being female. I loved that Chikorita so much, you really do never forget your first... to this day, I still have a strong affinity for Grass-type starters, despite the fact that I always pick the Fire starter in new Pokemon games because I like Fire-types better generally speaking, especially since I tend towards very offensive, speed, and special based builds for my teams. Even when I played Gen III's Sapphire, my first 'mon there was Treecko, mostly out of fond memory for my beloved Chikorita. Next run? Torchic, and then I went back to Treecko. Then in Gen IV, I caught a Budew, and was heartbroken to have to leave him behind at level 35; Thorn was such a good grass-type for my Sinnoh team...
Ah, a reference to one of my favorite childhood movies. (Don Bluth’s The Land Before Time.) Even if the first act was dark as hell. Don’t believe me? Watch the whole Sharptooth scene. Especially the fight with Littlefoot’s mom.
I haven’t played in johto yet, but I’ll use Meganium in either crystal or heart gold, I thought littlefoot was a clever name, or I thought I’d name it struggle because it’s very bad against almost every boss battle except pryce
Jonn Rainey It was a Gardevoir with Calm Mind, Double Team, Psychic and Magical Leaf. Just wanted to see how far I could go with that to get some XP and I ended up defeated the whole elite 4. Wasn't even over leveled or anything.
Gen I Agatha is very easy in my opinion. No levitate on Gengar means that only Golbat is not weak to ground moves. A Dugtrio and a Jolteon/Zapdos can make quick work of her team, and outspeed it too.
+AtrHoliday Or Nidoking/Queen. Spamming Earthquake and Thunderbolt for Golbat will get the job done, since abilities weren't a thing, so no levitate for gengar. And chances are, if you're playing Yellow you're using a nidoking/queen anyway because of it's advantage on the first gym.
I think people, since Lorelei has the special honor being the first ever E4 member, had trouble with her due to the obviously better movepool and AI Game Freak gave her over standard boss fights. That and her super bulky Pokemon, of course lol!
"Oh, you've finished the main questline and have no more new trainers to battle? Your highest pokemon is level 47? LOL, have fun grinding for eight hours 'cuz the weakest E4 pokemon is level 53." And that Garchomp. And that Spiritomb. And that Milotic. Fuck that battle.
IMO, HGSS's E4/Champion was the worst. as a nine year old playing it, I didn't really use anyone else other than my starter and it got rekd by all those xatu's. I finally trained everything else and barely beat the freaking hellhole of a champion, Lance
Zac Plebanski ikr, ive been playing HGSS lately, and i struggled with the first three a bit, especially koga, but Karen is giving me so much trouble. I can't even get past her umbreon
Brook Skeleton but sheer cold has a low accuracy kinda like fissure and sheer cold has 5 pp how the heck did glacia's walrein rekt 3 of your Pokemon if sheer cold has low pp and accuracy
+Drin Carlos for that to be even remotely true you need to be at a massive level disadvantage, the highest accuracy an OHKO move should be getting if you're at the hoenn e4 is ~45-50% (which is really, really, really stretching it) and that's assuming you didn't grind throughout the whole game and took a team of 6 (and hell, if it's ORAS, you're probably higher leveled and therefore immune to it) EDIT: Accuracy = ((level of user-level of target) + 30)%. previous no grinding full team example, assumes most of player's team is ~level 45 which would mean you probably did all the optional stuff before the league and took on every trainer Accuracy = ((53-45) + 30)% Accuracy = (8 + 30)% Accuracy = 38% for 100% accuracy: Accuracy = ((71-1) + 30)% Accuracy = (70 + 30)% Accuracy = 100% you would need a 70 level disadvantage to be hit 100% of the time in which case any other move would do the job
Caitlin in Black was hard to beat. Her Sigilyph was annoying with it's Air Slash and Ice beam. Which always deafeats my two strongest at that time: Serperior and Startaptor...
I always found Lance to be one of the hardest battles, when you're a kid who underestimates Dragon types they can really mess you up, luckily I always give my Blastoise Ice Beam/Ice Punch
Daniel Rivera the game isn’t hard it’s just when you were kids you either only used your starter and wiped the entire elite four or your just too lazy too grind and are under levelled af
I had a fair amount of trouble with Drake in Gen 3. In Ruby and Sapphire it was always really hard for me to get a high leveled team before The Pokémon league, and usually by the time 8 made it to Salamence half my level 45-50 team was dead and I didn’t have many healing items left. I remembered most times I just used a Wobbuffet I caught in the safari zone and use Destiny Bond.
It always bugged me that Agatha is referenced as a ghost-type trainer, when it's SO FREAKING OBVIOUS that she's actually a poison trainer/elite four member. Sure, she has Gengar and Haunter, but they both carry the poison typing as well as the ghost typing, and then with Arbok and Golbat, the only type consistency is poison. So thanks for mentioning that consistency. And Flint...Flint just cops out of his own typing.
Maybe Agatha is just more interested in training Poison types, but decided to make herself seem tougher by claiming to be a Ghost type trainer. Also, Flint is not a fire-type trainer, even if he claims to be.
Tip: using a flying pokemon (i.e. staraptor or pelliper) would make quagsire really easy, as the only move it has to hit you is sandstorm, so... who cares how much you miss? Also, vespiquen is a royal pain. It's defenses are surprisingly good, plus defend order AND a healing move. It PP-Stalled my (underleveled) luxray's spark! AND IT'S WEAK TO IT! seriously, I didn't even know that was possible.
tbf spark is only 65 (97.5 after STAB) BP and as you said you were underleveled vespiquen: base 70/102 hp/defense, for an average of 86 (with most 'mons being 70-80). at just +1 defense, this becomes about 70/160 (not entirely accurate; may be slightly more or less), for an average of 115, which is only slightly less than luxray's attack (luxray: base 120 attack).
I'm aware it's not the exact mechanics, I'm not exactly new to these games. I'm more giving an idea of Luxray's attack vs Vespi's bulk rather than damage calcing.
You know who was a real pain in the ass, although not technically E4? The Johto Champion Lance. Holy fucking shit, the music leading up to him perfectly sums up the feeling of dread I always got as a kid slowly working my way up to him. And then the music that plays while you battle him, the sheer frenzy of it is *perfect* for the mood of a typical battle with him. I swear to god the only way to fuck him up is to power-level the shit out of your Pokemon, because Dragon-types were *just that OP* in Gen II. He's not any easier in Gen IV either because there's *still* not really any good counter to the Dragon typing until Gen V's Fairy types. I swear to Arceus, Champion Lance *haunts my nightmares* with his damn impossible Rock Slide Aerodactyl to *this very fucking day*. I *still* get chills down my spine hearing his battle music. I *still* feel my heart pound as I approach him, and when I finally played HG, it happened *all over again* and all those memories came rushing back from my childhood. Bravo, Johto Champion Lance. You magnificent bastard.
Agatha was the hardest... Until I played Sun And Moon. Kahili screwed me over so much, and Olivia has coverage for every one of her weaknesses except for fire- which is rarely available in gen 7, or I personally found
I'd assume he's talking about Gen 2 here and if so Earthquake/Dig would work (abilities come in gen 3), yes he mentioned only Megahorn but I'm willing to bet he had coverage. and if it's gen 4... 252+ Atk Black Glasses Guts Heracross Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 132-156 (97.7 - 115.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO I mean, hey, it's possible. Not likely, but... possible.
I also one shotted most of her pokemon with an OVERLY UNDERLEVELED(37 i believe) Heracross in the remakes with Close Combat. I took care of Gengar with Shadow Claw
Confusion, Paralysis, and Infatuation make for the most annoying trio of moves because all of them decrease your chances of attacking, and they all stack on each other. btw I struggled a little with Siebold because his Clawitzer landed three crits in a row and killed my Furfrou so it threw my game a little. My distaste for the Electric type makes it hard for me to oppose Water-types. Glacia also gave me a rough time during one of my AS playthroughs.
Someone else struggled with Siebold's hax! I'm not the only one! Actually, that had to be my funniest elite 4 battle, because when he asked whether pokemon battling is art or not, I said "no" just to see his reaction. The result was him getting constant crits, dodges and flinches. I could imagine him screaming at the top of his lungs "AAAAAAAAAAART" everytime he got hax 😂
Nathan Cory Someone who doesn't sneer at my rough start against Siebold! :D I said yes because I wasn't paying attention lol. He was the first person to KO my Furfrou the entire game, including that Machop on Victory Road who was spammng Cross Chop. IIRC I didn't even have to HEAL my Furfrou. She just tanked the hits. My friend couldn't even poison Georgette when we had a battle. She used Cross Poison a whole bunch and never got the flinch nor the poison on Georgette and just killed her Crobat from Georgette's Rocky Helmet. Siebold killed her in like three hits. Eternally glad I wasn't Nuzlocking.
+Ellie F Yeah, that feeling when you're using such a good team member that gets killed right at the end of a nuzlocke... I don't think anything in the world is worse than that feeling! DEFINITELY not speaking from experience or anything... *sigh* Poor CplCocoYrz the Lanturn, you will be missed...
Nathan Cory I straight up cannot finish my Platinum Nuzlocke after my starter (now a Torterra), my Crobat, my Vespiquen (I GOT LUCKY), and my Porygon all bit the dust. Planty, Nitzel, Koroleva, and Ethernet... my babies TT^TT I do think my Togekiss wants to make me feel better though, because Peanut has been tearing out some interesting moves with Metronome. I've kept tally: Judgement, Sacred Fire, Shadow Force, Luster Purge, Mist Ball, and Seed Flare. I'm not even joking, one of the first things Peanut threw out was JUDGEMENT.
+Ellie F Holy crap! Meanwhile, the best move BonoboBono the Mew ever got was Bite... Ah well, I suppose the fact I got a Mew in an egg sorta makes up for that 😂 Hooray for randomisers!
I remember barely getting past Flint, cause' I was stupid and forgot to buy revives... ...then came the Bronzong. And, again, since I was stupid, I had no fire types. That was a nightmare.
I now see why it took me around 40+ tries to beat the elite four in diamond. I was 7 and it was my first Pokemon game, I had Torterra and Staraptor which both had to be about level 70 when I finally beat them and a level 50 something Kadabra that I had left in the day cafe for forever (don't even think I used it) and then having to beat Flint, Lucian and Cynthia was hard af.
gen 1 psychics are: immune to Ghost weak to Bug (of which there were no relevant moves, in fact iirc the only one was Fury Cutter which has an initial base power of lol20) resistant to Fighting, Psychic resisted by Psychic strong against Poison, Fighting nothing is immune basically the only thing that beat a Psychic was a stronger Psychic lol
Only one. Agatha. The only time I ever got past her first two Pokémon, my entire team was swept under the rug by her third Pokémon, which was usually her Golbat or her Haunter. I had an Onix and a Dugtrio, so I was promptly covered in case of Poison-type moves. The ONLY way I was able to defeat her was with the Snorlax I caught (the one on the dock), thanks to its ability Immunity, making Toxic impotent, a Defense stat of 216, to tank Golbat’s one Flying-type move, and Snorlax’s Normal typing making it immune to Ghost type moves.
The hardest Elite Four member to me is Koga in HG/SS. Entirely because of his Muk. It spams Minimize, poisons you with Toxic, lowers your Defense with Screech, and destroys your team with Gunk Shot. You can win by teaching a Skarmory Aerial Ace, but it really won’t do that much damage, especially when it recovers health with Black Sludge, so even that is a huge test of patience. Plus it was exclusive to SoulSilver so any HeartGold players are screwed, so The best way to win is by using a Pokémon with Earthquake, and hoping that Gunk Shot misses
"Who the Hell puts Sunny Day on a Steelix?! No one!" *Me (an intellectual):* Jasmine's Steelix knows Sunny Day. For no reason apparently... seriously, why did she put it on her Steelix?! It doesn't even know Fire Fang!
@@ShadowSpace56z Could be, but I was talking about JASMINE'S Steelix. Even so, having Sunny Day on a Steel type is stupid because it boosts the power of Fire moves, which are Super Effective against Steel types.
Fucking SHAUNTAL. If you were a basic trainer in gen 5 you probably didn't train obsessively over your whole team. I chose Tepig. AND GUESS WHO'S JELLICENT WAS THE END OF ME? Levitate so Earthquake can't hit? Check. Ghost so arm thrust can't do shit? Check. Water so FIRE MOVES DO ZILCH? C H E C K.
Lucian in Diamond and Pearl is so flaming hard because of the lack of fire types and a really annoying Bronzong. Honestly, I didn't even battle his Bronzong with fire (since I chose not to use Fire), I just kept Lucario in there and used Aura Sphere to knock it down (but I did use Lucario to battle Alakazam and it took me two Calm Minds before I could sweep). I have a Houndoom now in Platinum, but I'm wondering if that Bronzong has Heatproof and if it would just make more sense to use Togekiss's Aura Sphere. (I haven't faced the Elite Four yet). Lorelei is really hard in Yellow because you don't have a Light Ball available, but thankfully I chose to raise my Pikachu to Level 65 so it swept with ease (and had Venusaur and a Thunderbolt Lapras at Level 58ish ready for backup). The designers of the game wanted it to follow the anime and be based on Ash's Pikachu, but they could have at least made Pikachu's special stat better or done something to boost its special attack (other than giving it Thunderbolt)... Snorlax and Lapras seemed to do well against Agatha with Earthquake and Psychic. Phoebe was pretty hard in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald (but since Crunch is now physical it should be much easier). Yes, her Banettes and Sableye are easy, but her two Dusclops are so hard. Even if you hit them with a super-effective Crunch (coming from a high-leveled Salamence, who has a base 110 special attack stat), they survive it. They protect themselves (which is especially problematic with their Pressure special ability), they confuse you, they curse you, they see the future, and they can hit you hard with strong coverage attacks. Her second Dusclops took out my Salamence and Magneton like it was nothing. Glacia is also pretty tough. Her Walrein OHKO'd my Magneton (which was higher leveled) before I could even set up a Lock On and Thunder combination. Thankfully, Drake's Kingdra is a lot easier than Juan's!
I had no trouble with generation 1 elite four members or even the champion and was using... Charizard, Raichu, Nidoking, Clefable, Gyarados and Articuno
Why not do a ‘what if I was the Pokémon champion’ video and give your opinion on what six Pokémon you would use? And maybe the move sets too for each Pokémon too.
When I first watched this video I disagreed with Karen being on this list... until I replayed the gen 2 pokémon Gold game. All my Pokémon were level 42 so I had just ONE Pokémon at every elite four member I fought. Lance only made one of my team faint too. But Karen made FOUR of my Pokémon faint. FOUR!!! I was freaking out, she was so strong and used those dirty tactics you were talking about
Karen was precisely why I became a fan of Dark-type Pokemon. She was super cool, even if she was super tough to beat, and really not terrible so long as you have some sort of Ghost-type on your team.
I think it would be cool if instead of gym leaders/elite four members just having a team consisting of types they would instead have a team with various types of pokemon and having a well rounded team. Sort of like a pokemon champion.
You are so right about Flint. Any E4 member that has a lot of Pokemon not of their type throws me off of my game so much, I barely win from them! Karen in HGSS is such a pain, because, again, she has many Pokemon that aren’t even Dark type!! Sinnoh’s E4 is the hardest overall, in my opinion. Lucian and Flint are pains, but I personally have always found Aaron to be a pain as well!
Eh? Rapidash has base attack of 100. Infernape has base attack of 104. They both learn Flare Blitz usable against the Bronzong. The differences in their damage is VERY negligible. So your saying of Rapidash not being good for that fight while Infernape is good makes no sense whatsoever.
Honourable mentions (imo) .Koga (SS/HG) He was a difficult gym leader, even worse in E4. .Lance (FR/LG) His aerodactyl + ancient power sweeps teams big time. His team picks up whats left of yours then. .Will (SS/HG) His Xatus are a much MUCH bigger problem than any mon in Lucians team imo .Marshall (B/W) Absolutely powerfull team. His mienchao alone sweeps tremendously well Dishonourable mentions . Hoenn and Kalos's entire Elite 4 (i mean, what the hell?) . Unova's E4 except Marshall. Scrafty alone kicks the hell out of all of them.
Realistically, i believe many more of the Elite four members would have handed out a lot more defeats had it been no usage of revives and full restores in battle.. or even a limit on the usage..
Unpopular opinion incoming: I feel like Shauntal is the hardest e4 member for me. When I made it to the Elite Four, I swept through Grimsley and Marshall, but I would have trouble with either Caitlin or Shauntal. I would beat Caitlin, and lose to Shauntal, or the other way around. I eventually got around to beating all four. My second time playing through it, though, I was destroyed. Her Cofagrigus was a pain, most of her Pokemon were pretty bulky, and her Chandelure was the bane of my existence. I gave up, and stopped playing it for a while. I picked it up again and tried to beat her again, of course, to no avail. Im prpbably just bad at the game, but this still makes Shauntal the hardest e4 member for me. And dont get me started on her B2W2 team.
the hardest elite 4 for me is Lucian and Glacia (Emerald). Glacia was hard because back in the day, i used a lot of dragon and flying type pokemon, she rekt my team very badly lol
The first Pokémon game I ever played was Pokémon Y, and embarrassingly, the hardest battle for that game and every other game I played after that, was Siebold.
I think Lorelei being difficult is the merged special stat. Also, I found the entirety of gen 4s elite four difficult because you had to train with wild Pokemon that are 20 levels below the champ...
steven stone had a skarmory that could defeat electric and fire pokemon with spikes.claydol could use earth power to defeat ice types and light screen can help with dark and ghost.aggron could sometimes defeat water pokemon with stone edge from 110 attack and like i said with cynthia half ground pokemon are also rock so iron tail and earthquake will counter most ground pokemon and dragon claw could possibly two hit ko most fighting types.also cradily could take down your water pokemon and some people traded a pidgey from pokemon x/y to omega ruby or alpha sapphire and got a mega pidgeot cradily could use ancient power to stop mega pidgeot and cradily could also use confuse ray to confuse the pokemon and deal with ice with ancient power.armaldo could use metal claw for rock types.metagross could defeat your blazekein with zen headbutt when metagross mega evolves it can stand ground dark and ghost.
As for the remakes having an advantage over Agatha, there are no dark types before the main game and the only ghosts are the gastly line. Not many people want to trade, and Haunter is kinda weak. Yeah, there is psychic, but no more than gen 1.
Lorelei is easy as cake if you abuse the Dewgong's poor AI. As long as it doesn't have a super effective move, it will likely Rest which gives you free turns to set up Swords Dances or X attack/specials. That's the entire point of boosting moves/items, to give you that extra bit of damage when you can't pick up a KO.
Koga is the only Elite Four member I consistently have problems with. That damn Minimise...Kahili is also pretty nasty, since I always underestimate the Flying type. But at least I don't need to waste a move slot on Swift.
The ONLY way you'd have a hard time with the E4 is by not being smart enough to stock up on full restores and full heals and grinding to train a diverse pokemon team with obvious type advantages. Seriously, none of the games have ever been difficult. You just have to put in the time and effort to prepare way above the standard.
For me the Elite Four member that gave me the most trouble was the ice user Elite Four member from Ruby and Sapphire I got hit with sheer cold every time
Phoebe from Pokemon Sapphire Ruby and Emerald was tough, I restarted and used Blaziken, idk why in the hell I did that, but her Dusclops knocked me out with Shadow Ball, Surf, Blizzard, and Flamethrower, my team was decent but it was weak to her Dusclops
Lucian was much harder than flint. Lucian gave me the hardest time in quite possibly the most difficult region to beat. I fought all random encounters and trainers and had 6 pokemon all at 50 and to run into high 50s and 60s between Lucian and Cynthia was absolutely dreadful. F***ing Bronzong
1. Zapdos is weak to Ice but it's fast and hits really hard. Get the one with good DVs and overlevel it by 2-5 levels. Cakewalk 2. Steelix is very fragile on the special side. Even weak STAB special water moves OHKO it. Maybe 2HKO. 3. Evasiveness is easily checked by the moves like Miracle Eye or the ones that never miss. You can also Taunt the opponent to prevent that shit. Or the simplest way: outspeed + OHKO. It's not that hard to outspeed Drifblim and OHKO or 2-3HKO it with any dark, ghost, ice or electric move 5. Agatha is taken off single handidly by Alakazam. Emus allow trading, so it's not hard to get
not always but most of the times I had trouble with the bug type guy in platinum (not diamond/pearl). His yanmega was a pain in the ass with its speedboost ability and double team move. And his vespiqueen was able to tank up with defend order? ( I think). Also able to survive with heal order and it could do preety decent damage. Also Drapion seemed to always be tanky and do decent damage as well (And I had high levels too, around Lucian's level)
Unova's three of the elites are powerful except the fighting type room of the Elite Four , Hoenn's Drake was powerful, Agetha and Lance in Kanto's Elite Four.
Lorelei I agree... Agatha I do not. I mean, Gen 1, despite how much I love it, was broken, especially with psychic attacks. A kadabra five levels lower could one shot everything on her team, let alone an Alakazam if you traded for it. At least the argument with a PIkachu / Zapdos / Jolteon one shotting all of Lorelei becomes bunk when you factor in Jynx / Lapras... but Agatha? Her and Bruno were a much needed break in an otherwise tough run
Karen is Hard to beat because she took the kids.
Hokonu I saw this coming lol
This meme is mothertrucking dead lol
Lol
i dont get the joke???
Stuckyislife you’re about 8 months late
After you defeat that troublesome flint and lucian, you know what comes after Sinnoh elite four.
The Sinnoh Champion.
*im away on vacation*
Wait wot
O no
Sinnoh League is the hardest xD
Yes the hardest elite 4 and the hardest champion!
The hardest champion/elite four is full restore ya nuckulhedz
You've made my day
Oh yea the hardest champion ever
HEY COFFIE DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE YOU HERE
You cant get to be a champion without spaming full restores
@@retrogamplaystr7358 yes
The hardest elite 4 member is youngster joey
Youngster joey isnt a elite 4
Youngster Joey is the champion
@@luckybyronrun3free530 yes he is, what do you mean? Haven't you heard of the top percentage ratata haha.
NO ITS YOUNGSTER CHSRLIE DUH
@@fireramyt9691 all i know is that I'm a sinnoh fan *AND THATS THAT! **_CONVERSATION_ENDND_*
We need a diamond and pearl remakes ASAP
its probs coming out in gen 8
In 2020...
it might come out after gen 8 comes out
@@standotexe yeah, they often bring out some new game for a new handhold system and bring out an remake afterwards.
Boban Kotevski and they bring out remakes after the original generation number*2
Thanks for featuring me! Was fun to make :)
for me marshal and grimsley were really hard marshals mienshao is a tank and grimsleys crocodile is just so powerful :D
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Jaqson Kungfu DA FUQ did you just say???
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Shane M ???? wheirdo
4:33 lol I love how your Meganium is named Littlefoot 😂 (nostalgia)
I thought I was the only one who named my Chikorita Littlefoot when I first got her. Yes, her! Somehow, the first time I ever played a Pokemon game (Crystal was my first and the cart I have somehow still works nearly 20 years later), I managed to get that 1 in 8 chance of the starter being female. I loved that Chikorita so much, you really do never forget your first... to this day, I still have a strong affinity for Grass-type starters, despite the fact that I always pick the Fire starter in new Pokemon games because I like Fire-types better generally speaking, especially since I tend towards very offensive, speed, and special based builds for my teams. Even when I played Gen III's Sapphire, my first 'mon there was Treecko, mostly out of fond memory for my beloved Chikorita. Next run? Torchic, and then I went back to Treecko. Then in Gen IV, I caught a Budew, and was heartbroken to have to leave him behind at level 35; Thorn was such a good grass-type for my Sinnoh team...
He also had *_"Moto Moto"_*
Nefarious Nektarios lol
Ah, a reference to one of my favorite childhood movies. (Don Bluth’s The Land Before Time.) Even if the first act was dark as hell. Don’t believe me? Watch the whole Sharptooth scene. Especially the fight with Littlefoot’s mom.
I haven’t played in johto yet, but I’ll use Meganium in either crystal or heart gold, I thought littlefoot was a clever name, or I thought I’d name it struggle because it’s very bad against almost every boss battle except pryce
Dear Lance,
You are the bane of my existence.
P.S. Karen too
KARKAT VANTAS nah i had arcticuno so he wasnt that bad for me
EmeraldSpartan24
Wow, you must be PRETTY GOOD to use a legendary in the Elite 4, eh?
KARKAT VANTAS
Lance is not THAT hard, he can have as many Dragonites as he wants, Electabuzz is still gonna sweep them.
Eh I just spammed ice fang with feraligatr. If he fainted or lost health, I spammed max revives or full restores. The elite 4 for johto was harder
I definitely have flashbacks on how hard Lorelei was to beat as a child and that Lapras 🤦🏽♂️
the Gen 5 Elite Four... I'll just leave it at that
The real pain of gen 5 is when you battle Ghetsis in black/white though.
+CrazyOrc With his hacked Hydragon? Hard as hell.
Gen 5 I beat by trying to level up a single pokemon on my first try.
+Michael Freeman sure
Jonn Rainey It was a Gardevoir with Calm Mind, Double Team, Psychic and Magical Leaf. Just wanted to see how far I could go with that to get some XP and I ended up defeated the whole elite 4. Wasn't even over leveled or anything.
In 22 years of life I've never lost to Lorelei.
Or Agatha!
Gen I Agatha is very easy in my opinion. No levitate on Gengar means that only Golbat is not weak to ground moves. A Dugtrio and a Jolteon/Zapdos can make quick work of her team, and outspeed it too.
All you need is Alakazam against Gen 1 Agatha. Psychic type, high special and high speed? You probably couldn't lose even if you tried
+AtrHoliday Or Nidoking/Queen. Spamming Earthquake and Thunderbolt for Golbat will get the job done, since abilities weren't a thing, so no levitate for gengar. And chances are, if you're playing Yellow you're using a nidoking/queen anyway because of it's advantage on the first gym.
I think people, since Lorelei has the special honor being the first ever E4 member, had trouble with her due to the obviously better movepool and AI Game Freak gave her over standard boss fights. That and her super bulky Pokemon, of course lol!
Sinnoh in my opinion was the hardest elite 4
For me was Kanto
Luke V kalos was a joke
"Oh, you've finished the main questline and have no more new trainers to battle? Your highest pokemon is level 47? LOL, have fun grinding for eight hours 'cuz the weakest E4 pokemon is level 53." And that Garchomp. And that Spiritomb. And that Milotic. Fuck that battle.
IMO, HGSS's E4/Champion was the worst. as a nine year old playing it, I didn't really use anyone else other than my starter and it got rekd by all those xatu's. I finally trained everything else and barely beat the freaking hellhole of a champion, Lance
Zac Plebanski ikr, ive been playing HGSS lately, and i struggled with the first three a bit, especially koga, but Karen is giving me so much trouble. I can't even get past her umbreon
Glacia always proved to be a serious pain for me, first time I fought her I lost 3 pokemon to her Walrein's Sheer Cold.
Brook Skeleton Bs when you get that.
Brook Skeleton but sheer cold has a low accuracy kinda like fissure and sheer cold has 5 pp how the heck did glacia's walrein rekt 3 of your Pokemon if sheer cold has low pp and accuracy
Brook Skeleton when I battled a trainer with kyogre that knows sheer cold he literally didn't hit my deoxys
heres a fact: OHKO moves have 100% hit rate vs lower leveled pokemons ;)
+Drin Carlos for that to be even remotely true you need to be at a massive level disadvantage, the highest accuracy an OHKO move should be getting if you're at the hoenn e4 is ~45-50% (which is really, really, really stretching it) and that's assuming you didn't grind throughout the whole game and took a team of 6 (and hell, if it's ORAS, you're probably higher leveled and therefore immune to it)
EDIT: Accuracy = ((level of user-level of target) + 30)%.
previous no grinding full team example, assumes most of player's team is ~level 45 which would mean you probably did all the optional stuff before the league and took on every trainer
Accuracy = ((53-45) + 30)%
Accuracy = (8 + 30)%
Accuracy = 38%
for 100% accuracy:
Accuracy = ((71-1) + 30)%
Accuracy = (70 + 30)%
Accuracy = 100%
you would need a 70 level disadvantage to be hit 100% of the time in which case any other move would do the job
Caitlin in Black was hard to beat. Her Sigilyph was annoying with it's Air Slash and Ice beam. Which always deafeats my two strongest at that time: Serperior and Startaptor...
Miguel the musician Torres staraptor in Black? it wasnt catchable in Black.
DustyBoy Snuka Jr I transfered it from Diamond
And that is only available After the elite 4 + Ghetsis.
DustyBoy Snuka Jr Then idk. I had one
An hacked one tbh
When I played my Ruby Version, I really hated to PHOEBE and her first Dusclops's CURSE! 👿
Yes!
+Nエヌ Glacia was a mean mean woman
ikr
Phoebe was my nightmare.
no love for drake...uhm i mean hate?
Lorelei was a Freaking Troll . Says she does like ICE Pokemon , uses water Pokemon with Ice attacks
not as bad as fint in Diamond and Pearl his team destroyed me
+Jonn Rainey he pulls out Drifblim, God damn my Luxray's Thunder BETTER hit.
I'm currently playing through fire red with a charizard. I just got to the elite four and a think I want to fucking kill myself
I think* lol
Drake , Pokemon Emerald where are u ?
Federico Rossetti if you didn’t have a level 70 raquazer and didn’t steam role the elite 4 than you didn’t play emerald right
Federico Rossetti i think lance was more tough
I never use legendaries against the elite four. Just seems "wrong" to me. I spent the whole game with 6 trust partners. Rayquaza trained itself lol.
dude when i play fire red as soon as i see the elite four i say welp bleep this catch the legandary birds then i come back and steam roll them
Adam Mutton is other way around if do it with legendary you never played pokemon
really for me the hardest was drayden knowing his kingdra and salamence in emerald were fast and one had no weakness but one
Ephraim Allen. u miss spelled Drake
Kash Davis damn I thought it was drayden sorry
Ok! But harsh down on the language,yeesh
Kash Davis oh I understand then
Ephraim Allen I sweeped his team with rayquaza and dragon pulse B)
I always found Lance to be one of the hardest battles, when you're a kid who underestimates Dragon types they can really mess you up, luckily I always give my Blastoise Ice Beam/Ice Punch
Drake is a fair guy
Because he isn't a cheater
Yup. Had high trouble with him when I played it as a kid and didn't know that they're weak to Ice Type. He was a pain in the ass
Diamond, Pearl And Platinum Are Tough Games! Hopefully the remakes keep it tough.
I dont
Yea its been 7 months long and im still stuck on the 5th gym leader GOD DAM IT!!!!!
Platinum is by far the hardest pokemon game.No cap
Daniel Rivera the game isn’t hard it’s just when you were kids you either only used your starter and wiped the entire elite four or your just too lazy too grind and are under levelled af
I had a fair amount of trouble with Drake in Gen 3. In Ruby and Sapphire it was always really hard for me to get a high leveled team before The Pokémon league, and usually by the time 8 made it to Salamence half my level 45-50 team was dead and I didn’t have many healing items left. I remembered most times I just used a Wobbuffet I caught in the safari zone and use Destiny Bond.
The entire FireRed Elite Four broke my mind when I was 8.
Why?
Soul honey I could never beat them.
It always bugged me that Agatha is referenced as a ghost-type trainer, when it's SO FREAKING OBVIOUS that she's actually a poison trainer/elite four member. Sure, she has Gengar and Haunter, but they both carry the poison typing as well as the ghost typing, and then with Arbok and Golbat, the only type consistency is poison. So thanks for mentioning that consistency.
And Flint...Flint just cops out of his own typing.
Maybe Agatha is just more interested in training Poison types, but decided to make herself seem tougher by claiming to be a Ghost type trainer.
Also, Flint is not a fire-type trainer, even if he claims to be.
Hey! I'm subscribed to both of these bros! =)
I've been subbed hahahhahhahahaha :-)
Same!!
Same XD
All The Elite 4 Member You Mentioned Were TOO Easy To Me
Lorelei was the only tough one on this list.
Dear Vespiqueen:
Stop using heal order,son of a bitch
geodude used rock throw!
vespiquen died like a bitch to some random wild pokemon!
gained 69,420 exp!
Tip: using a flying pokemon (i.e. staraptor or pelliper) would make quagsire really easy, as the only move it has to hit you is sandstorm, so... who cares how much you miss?
Also, vespiquen is a royal pain. It's defenses are surprisingly good, plus defend order AND a healing move. It PP-Stalled my (underleveled) luxray's spark! AND IT'S WEAK TO IT! seriously, I didn't even know that was possible.
tbf spark is only 65 (97.5 after STAB) BP and as you said you were underleveled
vespiquen: base 70/102 hp/defense, for an average of 86 (with most 'mons being 70-80). at just +1 defense, this becomes about 70/160 (not entirely accurate; may be slightly more or less), for an average of 115, which is only slightly less than luxray's attack (luxray: base 120 attack).
That's not how stats work, but...
0 Atk Lv. 45 Luxray Spark vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lv. 53 Vespiquen: 62-74 (40.5 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (level 45)
0 Atk Lv. 50 Luxray Spark vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lv. 53 Vespiquen: 74-90 (48.3 - 58.8%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO (level 50)
0 Atk Lv. 50 Luxray Spark vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Lv. 53 Vespiquen: 50-62 (32.6 - 40.5%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO (level 50, +1 DEF)
The point is, it managed to PP stall a supereffective move.
I'm aware it's not the exact mechanics, I'm not exactly new to these games. I'm more giving an idea of Luxray's attack vs Vespi's bulk rather than damage calcing.
You know who was a real pain in the ass, although not technically E4? The Johto Champion Lance. Holy fucking shit, the music leading up to him perfectly sums up the feeling of dread I always got as a kid slowly working my way up to him. And then the music that plays while you battle him, the sheer frenzy of it is *perfect* for the mood of a typical battle with him. I swear to god the only way to fuck him up is to power-level the shit out of your Pokemon, because Dragon-types were *just that OP* in Gen II. He's not any easier in Gen IV either because there's *still* not really any good counter to the Dragon typing until Gen V's Fairy types. I swear to Arceus, Champion Lance *haunts my nightmares* with his damn impossible Rock Slide Aerodactyl to *this very fucking day*. I *still* get chills down my spine hearing his battle music. I *still* feel my heart pound as I approach him, and when I finally played HG, it happened *all over again* and all those memories came rushing back from my childhood.
Bravo, Johto Champion Lance. You magnificent bastard.
Agatha was the hardest... Until I played Sun And Moon. Kahili screwed me over so much, and Olivia has coverage for every one of her weaknesses except for fire- which is rarely available in gen 7, or I personally found
There is practically NO FIRE TYPES in gen 7
Incineroar, magmar, marowak, arcanine, fire oricorio, flareon and turtonator
Thb i found Gen 7 to be one of the easiest E4 but that might be because I overleveled my pokemon
RysterialProductions don't forget Salazzle
Olivia was a HUGE surprise. I couldn’t expect a Rock type elite four to be so strong. She has a good team, good strategy and plenty of coverage.
I one shot every one of Karen's pokemon with Heracross' megahorn
wtf Even gengar?
I'd assume he's talking about Gen 2 here and if so Earthquake/Dig would work (abilities come in gen 3), yes he mentioned only Megahorn but I'm willing to bet he had coverage. and if it's gen 4...
252+ Atk Black Glasses Guts Heracross Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 132-156 (97.7 - 115.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
I mean, hey, it's possible. Not likely, but... possible.
I also one shotted most of her pokemon with an OVERLY UNDERLEVELED(37 i believe) Heracross in the remakes with Close Combat. I took care of Gengar with Shadow Claw
Agatha was the easiest.I just one shot all her pokemon with Psychic...go to love Mewtwo
@@rafamoreno5839 mewtwo wasn't available until post elite four
Confusion, Paralysis, and Infatuation make for the most annoying trio of moves because all of them decrease your chances of attacking, and they all stack on each other.
btw I struggled a little with Siebold because his Clawitzer landed three crits in a row and killed my Furfrou so it threw my game a little. My distaste for the Electric type makes it hard for me to oppose Water-types. Glacia also gave me a rough time during one of my AS playthroughs.
Someone else struggled with Siebold's hax! I'm not the only one!
Actually, that had to be my funniest elite 4 battle, because when he asked whether pokemon battling is art or not, I said "no" just to see his reaction. The result was him getting constant crits, dodges and flinches. I could imagine him screaming at the top of his lungs "AAAAAAAAAAART" everytime he got hax 😂
Nathan Cory Someone who doesn't sneer at my rough start against Siebold! :D
I said yes because I wasn't paying attention lol. He was the first person to KO my Furfrou the entire game, including that Machop on Victory Road who was spammng Cross Chop. IIRC I didn't even have to HEAL my Furfrou. She just tanked the hits. My friend couldn't even poison Georgette when we had a battle. She used Cross Poison a whole bunch and never got the flinch nor the poison on Georgette and just killed her Crobat from Georgette's Rocky Helmet. Siebold killed her in like three hits. Eternally glad I wasn't Nuzlocking.
+Ellie F Yeah, that feeling when you're using such a good team member that gets killed right at the end of a nuzlocke... I don't think anything in the world is worse than that feeling! DEFINITELY not speaking from experience or anything...
*sigh* Poor CplCocoYrz the Lanturn, you will be missed...
Nathan Cory I straight up cannot finish my Platinum Nuzlocke after my starter (now a Torterra), my Crobat, my Vespiquen (I GOT LUCKY), and my Porygon all bit the dust. Planty, Nitzel, Koroleva, and Ethernet... my babies TT^TT
I do think my Togekiss wants to make me feel better though, because Peanut has been tearing out some interesting moves with Metronome. I've kept tally: Judgement, Sacred Fire, Shadow Force, Luster Purge, Mist Ball, and Seed Flare. I'm not even joking, one of the first things Peanut threw out was JUDGEMENT.
+Ellie F Holy crap! Meanwhile, the best move BonoboBono the Mew ever got was Bite...
Ah well, I suppose the fact I got a Mew in an egg sorta makes up for that 😂 Hooray for randomisers!
NO
LUCIAN WAS THE HARDEST
Flint was easy as in D/P btw
That Bronzong is OP.
I remember barely getting past Flint, cause' I was stupid and forgot to buy revives...
...then came the Bronzong.
And, again, since I was stupid, I had no fire types.
That was a nightmare.
He was easier in Platinum though.
I know Phoebe's not that hard in Gen 3, but her Pressure, spite and grudge abuse gave me a hell lot of trouble by reducing all the PP of my moves
I now see why it took me around 40+ tries to beat the elite four in diamond. I was 7 and it was my first Pokemon game, I had Torterra and Staraptor which both had to be about level 70 when I finally beat them and a level 50 something Kadabra that I had left in the day cafe for forever (don't even think I used it) and then having to beat Flint, Lucian and Cynthia was hard af.
Flint was really easy for me just cause i put surf on palkia and that shit just wiped his team
Flint's Magmortar was a nightmare to face in Platinum. Always killing off my Floatzel with Thunderbolt.
OMG AGITHA IS SOOOO HARD!!!!!!
Me: Lol, Go Alakazam
TheKirbyKing alakazam is weak to ghost I made that comment before I saw #1
In Gen1 Psychic was immune to Ghost
gen 1 psychics are:
immune to Ghost
weak to Bug (of which there were no relevant moves, in fact iirc the only one was Fury Cutter which has an initial base power of lol20)
resistant to Fighting, Psychic
resisted by Psychic
strong against Poison, Fighting
nothing is immune
basically the only thing that beat a Psychic was a stronger Psychic lol
Pin missle and twin needle were bug moves in gen 1, but also irrelevant.
Agtha: Lol go Gengar.
Uhhhhgg....that damned Bronzong! I had so much trouble with that Bronzong. Worse even than Cynthia.
As someone who’s highest level Pokémon was emboar, gen 5’s psychic/ghost elite 4 was the hardest in the game lol
Only one. Agatha. The only time I ever got past her first two Pokémon, my entire team was swept under the rug by her third Pokémon, which was usually her Golbat or her Haunter. I had an Onix and a Dugtrio, so I was promptly covered in case of Poison-type moves. The ONLY way I was able to defeat her was with the Snorlax I caught (the one on the dock), thanks to its ability Immunity, making Toxic impotent, a Defense stat of 216, to tank Golbat’s one Flying-type move, and Snorlax’s Normal typing making it immune to Ghost type moves.
The hardest Elite Four member to me is Koga in HG/SS. Entirely because of his Muk. It spams Minimize, poisons you with Toxic, lowers your Defense with Screech, and destroys your team with Gunk Shot. You can win by teaching a Skarmory Aerial Ace, but it really won’t do that much damage, especially when it recovers health with Black Sludge, so even that is a huge test of patience. Plus it was exclusive to SoulSilver so any HeartGold players are screwed, so The best way to win is by using a Pokémon with Earthquake, and hoping that Gunk Shot misses
Let’s take a second to just appreciate how op the move earthquake is
I for the levitate bro I just brought Groudon and he murderd everything
Unova elite four is hardest always for the first time
Mannnn it's tough all full restores would be over by the last 😅
"Who the Hell puts Sunny Day on a Steelix?! No one!"
*Me (an intellectual):* Jasmine's Steelix knows Sunny Day. For no reason apparently... seriously, why did she put it on her Steelix?! It doesn't even know Fire Fang!
Flints Steelix knows fire fang so sunny day is useful
@@ShadowSpace56z Could be, but I was talking about JASMINE'S Steelix. Even so, having Sunny Day on a Steel type is stupid because it boosts the power of Fire moves, which are Super Effective against Steel types.
@@infinityalbi9840 yeah that is stupid lol pretty much saying
( heres a sunny day .. kill me trainer ) 😂😂
Fucking SHAUNTAL. If you were a basic trainer in gen 5 you probably didn't train obsessively over your whole team. I chose Tepig.
AND GUESS WHO'S JELLICENT WAS THE END OF ME?
Levitate so Earthquake can't hit? Check.
Ghost so arm thrust can't do shit? Check.
Water so FIRE MOVES DO ZILCH? C H E C K.
I had a Lucario with shadow ball so she wasn't that hard for me
IKR my starter was oshawott and her chandelure had ENERGY BALL!!!
Shauntal was so annoying she took me like 4 retries, and Jellicent was unstoppable even with grass or electric types.
Grass Knot and Wild Charge.
Krookodile with Moxie
Lucian in Diamond and Pearl is so flaming hard because of the lack of fire types and a really annoying Bronzong. Honestly, I didn't even battle his Bronzong with fire (since I chose not to use Fire), I just kept Lucario in there and used Aura Sphere to knock it down (but I did use Lucario to battle Alakazam and it took me two Calm Minds before I could sweep). I have a Houndoom now in Platinum, but I'm wondering if that Bronzong has Heatproof and if it would just make more sense to use Togekiss's Aura Sphere. (I haven't faced the Elite Four yet).
Lorelei is really hard in Yellow because you don't have a Light Ball available, but thankfully I chose to raise my Pikachu to Level 65 so it swept with ease (and had Venusaur and a Thunderbolt Lapras at Level 58ish ready for backup). The designers of the game wanted it to follow the anime and be based on Ash's Pikachu, but they could have at least made Pikachu's special stat better or done something to boost its special attack (other than giving it Thunderbolt)... Snorlax and Lapras seemed to do well against Agatha with Earthquake and Psychic.
Phoebe was pretty hard in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald (but since Crunch is now physical it should be much easier). Yes, her Banettes and Sableye are easy, but her two Dusclops are so hard. Even if you hit them with a super-effective Crunch (coming from a high-leveled Salamence, who has a base 110 special attack stat), they survive it. They protect themselves (which is especially problematic with their Pressure special ability), they confuse you, they curse you, they see the future, and they can hit you hard with strong coverage attacks. Her second Dusclops took out my Salamence and Magneton like it was nothing. Glacia is also pretty tough. Her Walrein OHKO'd my Magneton (which was higher leveled) before I could even set up a Lock On and Thunder combination. Thankfully, Drake's Kingdra is a lot easier than Juan's!
I had no trouble with generation 1 elite four members or even the champion and was using...
Charizard, Raichu, Nidoking, Clefable, Gyarados and Articuno
Why not do a ‘what if I was the Pokémon champion’ video and give your opinion on what six Pokémon you would use? And maybe the move sets too for each Pokémon too.
0:36
Oh like the entire Elite 4 in X and Y
I still find Kanto and Johto as the hardest Elite Four.
I am honestly shocked Marshal didn't make this list. No one has ever given me so much problems as he did.
When I saw Agatha I’m like OH NO IM BATTLING HER RN (and I still am)
When I first watched this video I disagreed with Karen being on this list... until I replayed the gen 2 pokémon Gold game.
All my Pokémon were level 42 so I had just ONE Pokémon at every elite four member I fought. Lance only made one of my team faint too.
But Karen made FOUR of my Pokémon faint. FOUR!!! I was freaking out, she was so strong and used those dirty tactics you were talking about
Karen was precisely why I became a fan of Dark-type Pokemon. She was super cool, even if she was super tough to beat, and really not terrible so long as you have some sort of Ghost-type on your team.
Jeez 4 pokemon take down by her "dark type" ( because vileplume and gengar)
the only elite four member that ever have me trouble was karen
Putting any gen 2 E4 is very meh.
Me and my glorious team that beat the E4:
ampharos 37
gyarados 32
graveler 34
feraligatr 52
farfetch'd 16
ponyta 32
A fix to Lucian:
Get a pokemon with Mold Breaker, maybe a Rampardos, and use Earthquake.
I think it would be cool if instead of gym leaders/elite four members just having a team consisting of types they would instead have a team with various types of pokemon and having a well rounded team. Sort of like a pokemon champion.
You are so right about Flint. Any E4 member that has a lot of Pokemon not of their type throws me off of my game so much, I barely win from them! Karen in HGSS is such a pain, because, again, she has many Pokemon that aren’t even Dark type!! Sinnoh’s E4 is the hardest overall, in my opinion. Lucian and Flint are pains, but I personally have always found Aaron to be a pain as well!
Glacia's Walrein using Sheer Cold is the worst thing that happened to me while playing Emerald
Eh? Rapidash has base attack of 100. Infernape has base attack of 104. They both learn Flare Blitz usable against the Bronzong. The differences in their damage is VERY negligible. So your saying of Rapidash not being good for that fight while Infernape is good makes no sense whatsoever.
My girl, Agatha making the list!
And to be fair, she deserves better too
I remember when I played Leafgreen when I was young. Lorelei was brutal with her Lapras
Well, that pretty much WRAPS up our list for the top 5 hardest elite 4 members
I cant say i struggled in pokemon tbh
Correction- Magmar isn't available in DPPt- it's Infernape, the Ponyta line, and (post game pokeradar) houndoom
Draco murdered me because I had no clue what to use after his Flygon
Drake right?
Honourable mentions (imo)
.Koga (SS/HG) He was a difficult gym leader, even worse in E4.
.Lance (FR/LG) His aerodactyl + ancient power sweeps teams big time. His team picks up whats left of yours then.
.Will (SS/HG) His Xatus are a much MUCH bigger problem than any mon in Lucians team imo
.Marshall (B/W) Absolutely powerfull team. His mienchao alone sweeps tremendously well
Dishonourable mentions
. Hoenn and Kalos's entire Elite 4 (i mean, what the hell?)
. Unova's E4 except Marshall. Scrafty alone kicks the hell out of all of them.
Realistically, i believe many more of the Elite four members would have handed out a lot more defeats had it been no usage of revives and full restores in battle.. or even a limit on the usage..
Unpopular opinion incoming:
I feel like Shauntal is the hardest e4 member for me. When I made it to the Elite Four, I swept through Grimsley and Marshall, but I would have trouble with either Caitlin or Shauntal. I would beat Caitlin, and lose to Shauntal, or the other way around. I eventually got around to beating all four. My second time playing through it, though, I was destroyed. Her Cofagrigus was a pain, most of her Pokemon were pretty bulky, and her Chandelure was the bane of my existence. I gave up, and stopped playing it for a while. I picked it up again and tried to beat her again, of course, to no avail. Im prpbably just bad at the game, but this still makes Shauntal the hardest e4 member for me.
And dont get me started on her B2W2 team.
When I saw Flint my first thought was “I want a fight not a visit to McDonald’s”
Glacial cause of Attract and Body Slam paralyzing
the hardest elite 4 for me is Lucian and Glacia (Emerald). Glacia was hard because back in the day, i used a lot of dragon and flying type pokemon, she rekt my team very badly lol
Lance was hard back in the good old gold/silver days
The first Pokémon game I ever played was Pokémon Y, and embarrassingly, the hardest battle for that game and every other game I played after that, was Siebold.
I think Lorelei being difficult is the merged special stat. Also, I found the entirety of gen 4s elite four difficult because you had to train with wild Pokemon that are 20 levels below the champ...
steven stone had a skarmory that could defeat electric and fire pokemon with spikes.claydol could use earth power to defeat ice types and light screen can help with dark and ghost.aggron could sometimes defeat water pokemon with stone edge from 110 attack and like i said with cynthia half ground pokemon are also rock so iron tail and earthquake will counter most ground pokemon and dragon claw could possibly two hit ko most fighting types.also cradily could take down your water pokemon and some people traded a pidgey from pokemon x/y to omega ruby or alpha sapphire and got a mega pidgeot cradily could use ancient power to stop mega pidgeot and cradily could also use confuse ray to confuse the pokemon and deal with ice with ancient power.armaldo could use metal claw for rock types.metagross could defeat your blazekein with zen headbutt when metagross mega evolves it can stand ground dark and ghost.
I struggle with the two elite four of kanto that you guys talk about
As for the remakes having an advantage over Agatha, there are no dark types before the main game and the only ghosts are the gastly line. Not many people want to trade, and Haunter is kinda weak. Yeah, there is psychic, but no more than gen 1.
Lorelei is easy as cake if you abuse the Dewgong's poor AI. As long as it doesn't have a super effective move, it will likely Rest which gives you free turns to set up Swords Dances or X attack/specials. That's the entire point of boosting moves/items, to give you that extra bit of damage when you can't pick up a KO.
Koga is the only Elite Four member I consistently have problems with. That damn Minimise...Kahili is also pretty nasty, since I always underestimate the Flying type. But at least I don't need to waste a move slot on Swift.
The ONLY way you'd have a hard time with the E4 is by not being smart enough to stock up on full restores and full heals and grinding to train a diverse pokemon team with obvious type advantages. Seriously, none of the games have ever been difficult. You just have to put in the time and effort to prepare way above the standard.
For me the Elite Four member that gave me the most trouble was the ice user Elite Four member from Ruby and Sapphire I got hit with sheer cold every time
Phoebe from Pokemon Sapphire Ruby and Emerald was tough, I restarted and used Blaziken, idk why in the hell I did that, but her Dusclops knocked me out with Shadow Ball, Surf, Blizzard, and Flamethrower, my team was decent but it was weak to her Dusclops
Drake from Emerald deserves a mention
Kingdra hardly has any weaknesses and Salamence hits like a truck
I went into Lorelei with my best pokemon being a Pidgeot...and that's the story of why I never beat Pokemon Yellow
Since I got a shiny during this video im subscribing to both of you
Lucian was much harder than flint. Lucian gave me the hardest time in quite possibly the most difficult region to beat. I fought all random encounters and trainers and had 6 pokemon all at 50 and to run into high 50s and 60s between Lucian and Cynthia was absolutely dreadful. F***ing Bronzong
For a Pokemon that's literally a bell, Bronzong can be pretty hard to beat.
I hear the bells ringing xD
I thought the ad was the video and I went to the comment section, I was so confused!
3:30
Did Lorelei just use a Super Potion mid turn...?
Man I remember Gen 1 being busted, but fuck
Jasmine's Steelix knows sunny day in gen 2.
My Top 5 E4
5. Lorelei (Pokemon FRLG)
4. Koga (Pokemon HGSS)
3. Lucian (Pokemon DPPL)
2. Flint (Pokemon DPPL)
1. Lance (Pokemon FRLG and HGSS)
I had the most trouble with Agatha when I was nuzlocking Fire Red
For me is
1.Lanc
And
2.Agantha
1. Zapdos is weak to Ice but it's fast and hits really hard. Get the one with good DVs and overlevel it by 2-5 levels. Cakewalk
2. Steelix is very fragile on the special side. Even weak STAB special water moves OHKO it. Maybe 2HKO.
3. Evasiveness is easily checked by the moves like Miracle Eye or the ones that never miss. You can also Taunt the opponent to prevent that shit. Or the simplest way: outspeed + OHKO. It's not that hard to outspeed Drifblim and OHKO or 2-3HKO it with any dark, ghost, ice or electric move
5. Agatha is taken off single handidly by Alakazam. Emus allow trading, so it's not hard to get
I had trouble with only 2 elite four members ever and they stopped me from beating 2nd and 4th gen. Lance and Bertha
I spammed flamethrower on lucian's bronzong and it just DONT WANT TO DIEEEEE
I feel drake form Hoenn .fairy was not around and ice had just came out one generation before it so there were very few ice types
not always but most of the times I had trouble with the bug type guy in platinum (not diamond/pearl). His yanmega was a pain in the ass with its speedboost ability and double team move. And his vespiqueen was able to tank up with defend order? ( I think). Also able to survive with heal order and it could do preety decent damage. Also Drapion seemed to always be tanky and do decent damage as well (And I had high levels too, around Lucian's level)
Diamond and pearl remakes come out, Flints mega lopunny sweeps a lot of people LOL
Imagine driblim gets it's minimizes baton passed to mega lopunny
Unova's three of the elites are powerful except the fighting type room of the Elite Four , Hoenn's Drake was powerful, Agetha and Lance in Kanto's Elite Four.
Lorelei I agree... Agatha I do not.
I mean, Gen 1, despite how much I love it, was broken, especially with psychic attacks.
A kadabra five levels lower could one shot everything on her team, let alone an Alakazam if you traded for it.
At least the argument with a PIkachu / Zapdos / Jolteon one shotting all of Lorelei becomes bunk when you factor in Jynx / Lapras... but Agatha? Her and Bruno were a much needed break in an otherwise tough run