How Nietzsche Accidentally Discovered Dostoevsky
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Which one of the book was that?
Don't know french
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts "Notes from the Underground" but it was a botched translation where the translator added his own writing and included elements from another Dostoevsky novel, The Landlady. We give more info in the full vid.
You fail to mention at least 2 or 3 reasons why Nietzsche did so?? But at least it's good 2 know this fact.
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts Notes from the Underground
@@WeltgeistYT oh okay.. notes from the underground is my 2nd fav Dostoevsky's book
That's interesting didn't know that, as a massive Dostojevski fan Im glad that Nietzsche also has fantastic taste in novels 😁
Theseus Book Version (edit: it's because that french book was barely the actual Notes from the Underground)
@@NikodemHildnietzsche read more than that from dostoevsky.
@@NikodemHildsorry I’m confused by your comment can you explain that?
@@richardsteiner45 No
@@NikodemHild nice watch history fecal brain
Isn't it so fitting that Notes from the Underground is the first dosto book nietzsche read?
First I read too. Even though I was aware of Dostoyevsky’s reputation I was blown away with how amazing it was. Surprisingly funny too
Mine was too. Pure mind fuck.
@@mrlilshadow187 Mine as well. It was the most relatable written work I'd ever read, which was both exhilarating and terrifying to realize.
Nietzsche probably thought The Underground Man was talking about him
Inspired his theory of the Under Man
(groan)
Genius recognizes genius
Real Recognizing Real
Circa 1887
Like attracts like.
None are genius
@@JamesLee50
And why would that be?
@@JamesLee50please elaborate
You often wonder who was never discovered
🤗
Nah fr tho , there should be a profession for people who get philosophy degree to look out for more and more genius philosophers who never got recognised..
I discovered Dostoyevsky through Japanese manga actually one of my favorite mangakas was Osamu tezuka whom drew and wrote 600 comics. One of them was a illustrated version of Crime and Punishment. When I first saw the title I grew curious and looked it up. Without even reading it fell in love with the synopsis yes the bloody synopsis I didn't even read the novel. I began making my characters similar to Raskolnikov in my writing. Then eventually I found it at a book store a notes from the underground that was first taste of actual Dostoyevsky and I loved it so much I shared it with others. Then eventually I found a movie based upon crime and punishment and that forced me to start reading and with that I managed to read a ebook version of crime and punishment then I read the idiot, the gambler and now I'm going to read the brothers Karamazov. Dostoyevsky is a literal journey.
What's the movie?
@@uptamistik there's two movies I have seen. One was Crime and Punishment by Menahem Golan which was in English. It was ok but inferior to the Soviet version which I must admit was really damn good it was black and white and being in a different language but was able to perfectly reflect the intensity and themes of the book I have a version with English subtitles I will send it to you. ruclips.net/video/4RbMsU2WElM/видео.html the movie is free so enjoy
@@jamesolson4975 appreciate it, thank you!
So glad your journey led you to books 📖😻🙌🏽
I haven't read any of Dostoyevsky's novels. Could you tell me from which novel I should start reading his work, in order.
I don't know if Nietzsche could have been a great novelist also but for sure he could have been a amazing short story writer, his literally skills where amazing.
Were
Literary
Zarathustra was pretty good, I’d bet he’d of been a good one
@@richardsteiner45 I found Zarathustra his worst writing. His best writing is the opposite of that overblown, portentous style - which I think was a result of his letting go of the reins and allowing himself an untypically large degree of self-indulgence.
But then again, I found the same with the pretentious 'biblical' style of Melville's Moby Dick - unbearable
@@mossfitz oh man you must just not have any appreciation for writing itself. Of course they’re bad if you view them in that way. I mean I could say a lot of things about those two books but the meta commentary and writing is incredible in comparison to a lot of what’s out there. I know what you mean though, a lot of his stuff is so baked into modernity it can feel maybe repetitious even to kids
Three independent geniuses of Existentialism Doestovsky, Nietzsche and Kiekergard none of whom know the works of the other, but still came down to similarly principles, mostly.
Nietzsche was aware of Kierkegaard
@@alexhauser5043 Brother, Truth is what one learns only by experiences... Nihilism has no value when one anyway borns again and again without an end indefinitely. (or till one ascends to the stage of "Godliness" according to Eastern philosophy of Gita and Buddha. Only difference is in VIOLENCE the idea of NIHILISM can create, that Nietzsches philosophy has the possibility to create, like it did in Hitler)
@@drrameshshrink What in God's holy name are you rambling about? Nietzsche was aware of Kierkegaard's work. This isn't a philosophical point, it's a matter of documented historical fact.
@@alexhauser5043 ofcourse, I love Nietzsche as much as i love anyone else like Osho Rajaneesh or a BUDDHA himself. Pls dont misunderstand me... I agree with ur fact, if that is what u want from me sir! Pls dont take offense as there is no offense in what i uttered and also pardon me, as i see iam both scientific before Iam just a mere Hindu/later turned a Buddhist
@@drrameshshrink Sir, I apologize for replying to you with such unwarranted hostility and rudeness. It is I who should ask forgiveness of you. Best wishes
I find this oddly heartwarming considering many people would assume he’d have the opposite reaction
People are people, they might have opposite opinions but still can relate and debate with their mind.
Its the solution to Nietzsche's cry for help
@@Football0LoverExactly.
I think that even if he disagreed with Dostoyevsky's viewpoints, he was excited from the level of intellectual stimulation such work could provide. It wasn't just a bland regurgitation of past ideas
He discovered it by accident.And in a French translation.but he was so impressed by it that he called it the greatest pile of gold he ever stumbled across.nietsche wrote before geoneology of morals.
He was interested in that Transenedent man(man above morality )…he called it the ubermensh.
The ideas of Dostoyevsky and nieatsche are similar and basically kickstarted the Existentalist philosophy troughout the European continents…eventually emerging in America canada Australia Asia as well.I just recently visited AsIan Dostoyevsky/Nieatsche Society
Society and normal people doubt themself when they encounter a genius. But a genius would never mistaken a genius for a commom man even if it doesn't know it yet. He or she it's simply drawn to it because it's recognizes in it the same essence he or she posesses.
Huh?
"This shit bussin. He just like me fr fr"
😂😂😂
On God('s grave)
Awesome! Thank you from Brazil ❤️
Notes from the Underground?
Thanks
The underground man is the most underrated character type ever.
You should read I should say you should listen to the audiobook here on notes from the underground.. here on RUclips.. the reader is the perfect underground man.. he is so funny and cantankerous.. Dostoyevsky himself could not have chosen a better person..
@@madeofgrease9220Travis in Taxi Driver is based on the underground man
I wonder if Nietzsche knows Dostoevsky had been writing about him, calling his philosophy problematic lol
Explicitly mentioning him? What text is that in?
@@tarvoc746 Raskolnikov in crime and punishment is basically a depiction of Nietzsche’s ubermensch theory. Rules are for you to break if you have a strong enough conviction and justification. I’m not saying they mention each other literally. Actually, I think nietzsche did mention Dostoyevsky and that he likes his writing.
@@cch312 Hmm, if Raskolnikov was an attempt at depicting the Übermensch, I think Dostoyewsky got Nietzsche wrong. The whole point of the Übermensch is that he is the man who has come to terms with the Ewige Wiederkunft and is able to affirm and even desire for his own life and actions to infinitely repeat themselves for all eternity. This clearly isn't the case with Raskolnikov.
@@tarvoc746 Your understanding of the ubermensch is probably correct and deeper than how most perceive it. And because of that, many became Raskolnikov instead of actual ubermensch, they merely think breaking the rules for what they deem as the greater good qualifies them as ubermensch.
@@cch312 Yeah okay that's a fair point.
Hey, just curious but where do you get the footage for sections like at 14:50? Just got kind of curious because the kid there looks a lot like me when i was younger.
Notes From the Underground is first book I’ve read where my mind never wandered between lines. Basically, a natural cure for “ADHD.”
That's a bold statement.
God told Nietzsche to read Schopenhauer 😂
didnt he tell us all..?
@@dallathayogi Yes. But he also told him to read Dostoyevsky later.
I just read notes from underground! I liked it even more than crime and punishment. I can see how Nietzsche would have liked it; it's very much an existentialist book.
Cool. It would have been great if they both encountered each other at one point. Would have been an extremely marvelous match with them two sharing their philosophies between each other
Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche have almost opposing beliefs in their philosophy, it seems bizarre he really thought so high of his work.
We remember that reading Schopenhauer had a massive effect on the life and worldview of Leo Tolstoy.
The important part of this philosophy is that if a person has enough physical power, it can override reason. This is why it’s so important to keep leaders in check. I don’t think Nietzche’s philosophy was one of what “should be,” but rather a series of observations about humanity that don’t necessarily apply to him.
To everyone saying “he’s arguing about why we shouldn’t argue,” you’re completely missing the point.
What's really crazy about these two men is that they both experienced or wrote about a nervous breakdown precipitated by the extremely abusive beating of a horse..
In Brothers Karamazov for Dostoevskij but I don't know about Nietzsche's reading. Could you please name the writing? Thanks I
@@natalinaconidi6313there's a rumor that neitzche became mad when he saw an horse is being beaten very badly to.make it pull a head load upon seeing this neitzche went near the horse and said I understand your pain and screamed very loudly and from that time onwards he lost his mind they say.
@@LuckyLucky-pc3tz Horses, dogs, and cats have served humans for so long and have endured a lot of suffering and mistreatment in previous generations. So I never get too upset when I see someone pampering one of these creatures in these days. I would like to think that their ancestors are looking down from Animal Heaven and being at peace to see their descendants being given better lives than they received from people.
@@Torgo1969 why would anyone be upset if a pet gets pampered..🤔
The irony of it all … good video !
Two of my favourite philosophers of all times!😍
Yes, Nietsche discovered Dostoyevski under his sofa cushions. He was looking for his crack pipe, and found him there.
There is a very well done podcast by Martyr Made where he outlines the lives of Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche bringing into light the similarities between the two men. I highly recommend
Back when we actually read books. Today we have TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook.
I miss 1887 so much. I get so tired of this petty and fickle social media world. Wanna go back SO badly!
So why is there a picture of Schoppenhauer in the thumbnail?
So good to look at this period of culture. The way ideas moved was quite different to how they spread today and the expectations for their completion was a big part of it. Marxism, evolution, emancipation. What a time
It happens at much faster pace it essentially speaking that's exactly how idea spread now too but there are too many things happening at once
Leftism trash 😊
If you are melancholic, free spirit, and the marked one; you will find Arthur Schopenhauer, Soren Kierkegaard, Franz Kafka, Camus, Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Sartre etc works familiar cos you are the marked existentialist!
Sartre was a complete degenerate.
What does the marked one mean?
Absolutely
+ Samuel Becket
Khas @@dharma6525
dude loves bookshops
Ah hah! Explains why Nietzsche went mad.
what Schopenhaur book were you referring to ?
Nothing is accident.
I always figured he woke up one day and wqs like, I'm gonna go discover Dostoevsky.
I too was strangely drawn toward both Dostoevsky and Schopenhauer as well.
Doystoyevsky was not a nihilist or an existentialist, they go against his faith
It’s possible to be an existentialist Christian (ie Kierkegaard)
@@camdenwegner257 well not a true existentialist because then you’d have to deny heaven and doystoyevsky definitely didn’t deny the after life idk much about Kierkegaard sounds Swedish if he was Protestant then I guess he could’ve been an actual existentialist since he wouldn’t of had strong as feelings for the afterlife, there are definitely different “types of christians” and many secs are so humanized I can’t even call them Christian any longer
@@david-468 why do you have to deny heaven for being an existencialist
@@jeanivanjohnson what? Because they are a complete contradiction ,existentialists would believe nothing we do on earth matters because nothing comes after, heaven would debunk that and prove that what we do on earth matters
@@david-468 you are talking about nihilism
Which Dostevsky title is that? Notes from the Underground?
This is just weird, how they had the same ideas but were unfamiliar with each other.
What book was it??
Which book is Nietzsche referring to?
Notes from Underground
Why there is Schopenhauer on the thumbnail tho
Damn these adult men who play board games together really take it seriously huh
That was schopenhëuar in the first portrait
That’s nice, but why is there randomly a pic of Trotsky in the slide 😂
Awesome very similiar mindsets different enviroments
It drove him insane.
Why would you not just say the title in English?
Nietzsche read those in French so he’s saying the title as they were
@@più_lento_28_13 yeah but the rest of the video is in English
@@williamtripp7244 sure but i think to keep the authenticity of the events related he wanted to keep the title just as Nietzsche encountered it. And he says further in the original video that it corresponds to “Notes from the Underground” anyways.
Because it’s not just Notes from the Underground as the French title may indicate. What Nietzsche read was a botched translation lumping together NftU and The Landlady, another Dostoevsky novel. See the full vid for more details
I find quite strange to hear this because for what i know, he recommended "The ego and it's own" by Max Stirner to some of his stidents when he was a philosophy teacher and "Memories from the underground" by Dostoyevski is also based on Stirner's philosophy. It is said that Nietzsche's work itself is heavily based on Stirner's ideas. Would you tell me where did you get this information from???
It’s unclear how familiar he was with Stirner. But if he was, it would be long after this
what book!!!????
Frederick Nietzsche despite admiring schopenhauer missed his most important intellectual achievement, irrational deduction of idealism. We had to take psychedelics to have phenomenological evidence of idealism.
If Nietzsche were born nowadays...he must do a lot of delivery...Uber-man.
(Uber-man is Super(hu)man, in his discussion of acquiring to the best of..)
Man I have absolutely no idea who anyone you mentioned is. Am I the idiot?
🤣🤣🤣
Bro read Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky. You will not regret.
And no you are not an idiot to not know them😂😂. Interestingly Dostoevsky also wrote another novel called Idiot.😂😂
Dostoyevsky has a book written about you actually…
No you are just American
Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Dostoevsky changed my life as well as many others …so its exciting when you get to tell others about them. You are about to embark on a long voyage my friend…
The world would have been so much different if Nietzche had discovered Proust!
I’m just here for the comments.
One mad man recognized another mad man.
They were mads for stagnant and rotten society.
i love how the comments i see mispell Dostoevsky
Dostoevsky, Dostoyevsky, whatever the fuck it is... has various different spellings, so I don't think you should be certain that they're misspelling his name, just because it's been written in a different way.
There’s only 2 correct spellings of his name, and it’s the Russian and English one, Dostoyevsky and Dostoevsky @@TrophySon1996
@@Deadinside.0 no.
there are other more, like Dostoevski, or Dostoyevski, Dostojevskij, etc... all of these are also valid as well. Where are you getting those basis you've got mate?
Let us acknowledge that there are literal other more languages which exists, and we can't possibly just consider Russian and English just because of ignorance towards the others.
notes from underground
There are no accidents.
There is no coincidence, even myself accidentally read crime and punishment & notes from the underground, it shapes my charachter, we live in a shadow of dostoevsky,
There are no accidents
He WOULD have read one of his books haha.
they don't make em like that anymore
People buy books in the past.
IDIOT - My favorite.
Feel free to translate the titles
Says a lot about Nietzsche.
Nothing is a coincidence
Nice
Only fools believe and consider as sacred the supernatural fairy tales, fictions, and myths just because a book claims itself to be the holy truth.
All philosophers’ philosophies are only partially true. Which part of the truth are they? Why, the perspective of the philosopher in question.
Noch ein Buch für alle und Keinen?
Same Nietzsche. Same.
interesting...
He stole the book
Can someone please translate the f***ing french into English I mean the book's Title
God really loves you all❤
Und wenn du zu deinem weib gehst vergisst die peitsche nicht 🎉
Thats what he said a wise man
Broromance
❤❤❤
Oh, yeah, joy from Dostoevsky 🤮🤮🤮
At this time when he was reading The Russian prerogative intellectual why not he thought that this book is belong to Russia and who have giving him the right that thoughts and will that this book or Great philosophy came in the Russian mind not his native German shopinhar
I think nitchey was racist and bigots
Dostoevsky sucks prove me wrong
“For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
-1st Corinthians 1:19-21 KJV ✝️🤍🕊️⛪️
Well now, from 1887. onward he wrote several main works.