Molly Jong-Fast and Mark Leibovich on the RNC
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The Republican National Convention concluded last week. We heard from Trump's VP nominee, JD Vance, and we heard from Donald Trump for the first time since the assassination attempt. Trump pushed lie after lie during his speech. No surprise. The real question is whether or not Joe Biden can beat him. Mark Leibovich from The Atlantic and Molly Jong Fast from the Fast Politics Podcast join the podcast to lay out the plan forward to defeat Donald Trump. Plus, you've probably heard of Project 2025. What is it and how is it fueling the Republican Party's agenda?
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As someone who has referred to the GOP as "The American Christian Fascist Party" since the Reagan administration I find it sad that this tragedy has sneaked up on so many that should have been more aware.
My pea brain continually reverts back to Carl rove.
I'm a woman. I don't want to be a second class citizen.
Girl, you'r being bumped to third class! :)
I’m very disappointed in the lack of support for Biden who was voted for by the people!
Before he stepped down I agreed.
"We all do better, when we all do better."
PAUL WELLSTONE
IF Biden is off the ballot I will vote Democratic across the board, but my heart won't be in it!😢
I suspect I will be able to vote for Joe Biden. 🙂💙
@@tomgraves6463 I hope so. Why is our party going crazy at the last possible moment? I like Newsom, but at another time..NOT NOW! We owe this one to Biden for how he has handled America for the last 3+ years!
@@ileneragland369 Newsom isnt an option. There is no time for a new primary. The first ballot access deadlines are August 7. Early voting starts in less than 3 months in several states. Oh yeah, and Newsom has no money to run! No1 has except Biden/Harris, the money cant be passed on to another candidate.
All this is only helping Trump by damaging Biden/Harris. If this conversation needed having, it needed to have been done 2 years ago and in private, NOT NOW when its far far too late.
@@ileneragland369 We owe Joe to ourselves, and are lucky to have the option!
Follow the money to Idaho!
Hostility to Biden comes from tax haters and dreaders of environmental regulations.
One of Trump's lies is about how clean the water was when he held the title of President.
That claim is hog shit, which is what's in our water, among other things.
@@ileneragland369 Why? You didn't watch the debate? A sickly, weak Biden now against strong, victorious being grazed by a bullet for democracy Trump.
I'm staying with Biden.
I'm so tired of so many people calling for Bidens' head and giving no unified solution. I'm convinced more than ever that the waring factions will tear the democratic party apart. 😢
I will vote for whoever or whatever runs against Trump
Disappointed in you. A house divided is bound to fall! President Biden is our nominee. We are not helping in asking him to withdraw. We need to build him up.
The RNC was a big drunk fest
That's why the held it in Milwaukee.
@@paulgrieger8182good one!😅
Grindr blew up😂
These people talk about Biden being unpopular and unliked, despite his legislative successes and favored policies. Yet, they never explain HOW Biden is unpopular, how he is unliked. All this talk of retiring Biden started after the debate, but he was able to bounce back. This doesn't make sense.
When you follow the money, it’s the billionaire donors who are causing the down ballot democratic candidates to freak out. I’ve been asking myself why? Is it because President Biden plans to ‘finish the job started’? He is going to force them to pay their fair share of taxes.
It’s a more subtle form of voter suppression but oligarchs are all cut from the same cloth and they like things just the way they are. Our vote is our only superpower.
I absolutely agree with you. They even use the word ‘hate.’ What has Biden done to deserve that? He’s far more honorable than most of our public figures. If he didn’t resign from the race today, I’d vote for him without reservation.
Harris wouldn't be anointed, she has been nominated. Huuge difference.
Great point! She is second in line if the Pres can't perform his duties. I know it doesn't apply to campaigns. Harris would make a good president.
It's up to Biden. Don't let fear decide.
It's Jill deciding not Joe.
@@waldemarsikorski4759 oh stop it. That talk's straight out of the But Her Emails Misogyny Manual
The "fear" that Biden would lose to Trump is highly rational.
Unfortunately, no one is conducting "head-to-head versus Trump" polls that include the potential candidates who would be most likely to defeat Trump: independent candidates such as Liz Cheney or Larry Hogan. One of them could assemble a large anti-Trump coalition, if no Democrat is on the ballot to split the coalition.
Fear can be very useful to keeping you alive.
You're not helping. In fact the more you stir distrust in Biden you are helping Trump. I cannot believe you are continuing to push for Bidden to step down without a viable solution. Pathetic.
If you dont have a plan for the endzone. Shut up and work for the team.
Exactly voting for BIDEN AND HARRIS
FOOLS
@@efowlermail %100
Short-sighted comment.
I'm voting for Joe Biden!
He's done a great job.
Vote blue to save Democracy!💙🇺🇸💙
I'm voting 🗳. I believe DNC should leave ticket alone at this LATE DATE (Biden was old before debate). Harris may not beat trump.
Biden/Harris wins. In 1st 100 days, Biden gets loooonnnngggg covid and it's Pred. Harris.
I hear a lot about polls. When was the last time polls were correct? Relying on faulty polling, leaving out large swaths of people who don’t answer unknown numbers, employing push polls … what correct polls are you talking about?
Pollsters understand how to adjust the numbers to compensate for groups who answer the telephone less. The real problem with polling accuracy is due to uncertainty about who is likely to vote.
Polls should definitely be used to figure out who has the best chance to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, the polls have been asking only about potential Democrat candidates. They haven't asked about potential independent candidates, such as Larry Hogan or Liz Cheney, who could probably assemble a larger anti-Trump coalition than any Democrat can.
You're breaking my heart. I'm riding with Biden. Why are you all not getting behind him?
Because he is senile. True, his inner circle will make decisions for him, but that is not how democracy should work. I vote Joe, but his mental decline is obvious.
When i consider the GOP, it’s clear to me that we need A CHANGE, and FOR that, this podcast was a GOOD ONE, you know…
I'm voting for Joe!
Best to stick with Biden. Not a perfect candidate but incumbency is very important. For example even Harris would have to defend against a huge mud raker offensive. Then a huge party contest circus is always bad for the party holding the white house. This isn't just me saying this, Allan Lichtman's keys to the white house with a near perfect record, has those as the first two keys. The point might be moot though, Biden's campaign knows well the keys and has indicated he'll stay in. It would still be possible for the Democrats to win with a newbie, but much LESS likely.
This is such a difficult conversation.
You surprise and disappoint me..we voted for Biden Harris…..our votes matter. They will win, with or without your help 😤
HE SOUNDS COMPETENT TO ME
It’s the Democratic Party leadership that’s the problem and the talking heads like you guys.
How fo they set up campaign offices from scratch in 2 months?
If he drops out and you over look VP Harris black women will not vote for whoever you pick... if you chose whiteness you choose Trump...
I really like Al but am surprised that he wants Biden to step down! He knows how it works in government! Shame on you Al for not pointing out that it’s too late for Biden to step down and you f….ing need to start uniting and backing him up until he’s voted in then fight for what we need!!!!
Al Franken: “I know Biden needs to drop out, yes. But I also don’t have a plan for a replacement.”
This reminds of Republicans wanting to repeal and replace Obamacare
Also deeply disappointing, I had expected better from Al. If u dont have a plan, dont push for it, its the path to destruction!
Bazinga!
Replacing Biden on the ticket will be a train wreck. There will be challenges to keep a new candidate off the ballot. Given the current SCOTUS…we would lose those challenges. We need to support Biden ADAMANTLY. Once he is elected, changes, while chaotic in their own right…would e easier to accommodate on legal grounds.
Al Franken 2024!!
Let a "moderate" independent (Never-Trump former Republican) run against Trump, with no Democrat on the ballot to split the large anti-Trump coalition. Larry Hogan or Liz Cheney could crush Trump, because their coalition would include Democrat-leaning voters, all of the swing voters, and voters who vote R because they'd never vote for anyone who has a D after his/her name.
We still have over 3 months left.
Whoa down!
#VoteForBiden_Harris 👓🇺🇸
🗳🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
Actually, early voting starts in some states at the end of September; early October. So no, we don't have 3 months
Next Sunday we'll be discussing how it can all be done in 5 weeks, then 4, then 3, then 2, then "Just go with my greatest politician ever... Btw, and I'm all Joe all the time, have been for decades. But the greatest politician Gavin, but he's from San Francisco. And you know that that means... Maybe someone else...
All at once, will you all just SHUTUP!! Back Joe, WHO WE VOTED FOR!!!
I listened to AOC on the issue of changing candidates. Sobering.
What did AOC say?
« Say it ain’t so », Al. I’m really disappointed. I thought you were better than giving in to despair & peer-pressure of pundits. I can’t listen to y’all call for tearing it all down with no constructive solutions. Sheesh!😢
I hope Allan Lichtman goes to the White House right now and gives President Biden a pep talk.
I think he has. There was some reporting that he spoke to Ron Klain.
@@shaynafaaborg6283 Interesting. Lichtman could go down in history as the man who saved America.
Exactly I respect ALLAN
JOE MUST STAY IN THE RACE AND WE ALL SUPPORT HIM
BIDEN IS IN NO SHAPE TO LEAD THE EFFORT AGAINST TRUMP.
Great. 🙄
Lichtman's "keys" cannot possibly apply to this year's circumstances.
No retreat! Biden all the way!
I think Joe Biden is an honorable dude but I think it’s time for him to pass the baton.
I would think more about the Trump ear clip if I wasn't so worried about his bone spurs.
Think about the Vietnam memorial.
But I am almost as old as AL Franken so I don't matter.
"I want Biden to drop out but I don't have a plan" isn't smart. It's actually really, really dumb.
We'll lose the black vote if they bypass Kamala
Unsubscribed!
Dem politicians have NO 🏈⚽🏀🥎
Lying liars tell lies.
I'd bet that when Molly decides to complain about the food, she really knows what she is doing.
You disappoint me, Al. I thought you were a better man than what you’re showing us now.
Biden/Harris 2024💙💙💙
Consider this: Putin and Trump both want Biden to remain on the ballot. You’re working for the wrong team if you want to preserve democracy.
@@BooksForeverHow do we know that this is true? Maybe Putin and Trump *want* people to think that they want Biden to run. This can’t be how we decide whom we want to support - that we heard somewhere that someone said that they heard from someone that Putin and Trump want Biden to run.
@@elizabethwilkinson5747 Consider what you’ve said, but with your critical thinking skills switched on this time.
@@elizabethwilkinson5747 I agree. Putin's lying to us.
The "aggressively boring" guy's administration is setting records of improvement for the middle class; low unemployment, record job creation, the infrastructure is getting fixed.
All you can think about is "the horse race".
Government is more important than entertainment. You love Trump because he's always stirring trouble, and that makes for good ink and profits.
But I remember waking up with dread because every day there would be some new fresh insult.
I LIKE boring and competent.
This is the most disappointing and obtuse episode ever. For a change.
Truth, love Al Franken podcast!
Ron DeSantis - "I'm not a human being, but I play one on TV."
And he does a damn poor job at it.
Dogs, thank dogs
I disagree with the idea that the assignation attempt will change him for the better at all. He’s not that normal. Instead I fear he will feel more empowered and invincible.
You're right, he's only going to get worse. If he wins, his psychopathy will become immediately apparent after his inauguration.
I’m still riding with Biden, but if the ticket was Jon Tester / Kamala Harris, I wouldn’t complain.
Minnesotan here- Letting U know it's CHEAPER to feed all the kids than it is to have paid bureaucrats administrating a program to make sure only the right kids get free meals
It will be gratifying to watch the old man take his country to places it has never been before.
2025 is horrifying
@@hollyschittCNN rules...they weren't going to discuss 25!!!! Don't blame Biden for
$$$ hamstrung CNN$$
I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your Podcast. You guys always have great, informative guest.
Great guest
Marc mad big mistake on Kamala. do NOT underestimate women supporting women
Allen Lichtman is right about media being complicit, they keep advertising he should step down while polling the same people and selling their lists to other pollsters😡
Alan Lichtman should know about grift in general because that’s the angle he’s working himself.
@@BooksForever it's easy and lazy to just claim grift without doing the work. Like you
@@quesadilla79I invite you to follow Alan more closely, but with your eyes open this time. Unless you are lazy.
@@BooksForever see, lazy. Couldn't even produce your own retort like it my and his 1st election.
@@quesadilla79 clearly this is your fist rodeo. Alan’s army of simps do him no favors. In fact, it works counter to his expectations.
Always love your conversations Al.
I love and have loved Biden (Obama/Biden); he’s a mensch and has done so much for America, but, I, like so many cannot deal with this limbo. We’re already dealing with the horror of Agent Orange for all of these years. Not hard to figure out why the population is depressed and stressed.
The first time I ever heard of Gitmo was when a sergeant was threatening to send me there. I had been in the Marine Corps for less than a year, but I already knew that no sergeant had the authority to transfer me, especially when he was not even in my chain of command but was just some guy on the other end of a telephone. Never did get there. Maybe I will if Trump gets elected.
Run for President, Al, Run!
We could use you…..
🇺🇸⭐️
Great minds always have the conversation in the listener language and recognize that time is of the essence. Our time to get information so we can do our jobs fully understanding what is in front of us, and your time, asking the questions and getting the information and breaking it down in manageable terms for us the voters so be as well informed moving ahead in what will be a fast moving election heading straight for us. It's go time no matter what!!
Thank you all.
Thank you for this.
Four years of lies, golf and chaos!😢 We re doomed!
Recommend Washington pro democracy lawyer John Flannery vid on the 20th explaining the greed that's behind all this. I will vote for Biden Harris. 💙 I find most are pro Biden. Leaving now creates chaos MAGA loves.
Al , this was a great perspective by Molly and Mark. I do agree with all of you that it is time for President Biden to kindly step down. He's done a phenomenal job in governing this country.
I don't agree with Mark's opinion that we should start with 2 new candidates. Biden should pass the torch to Harris. She's experienced and capable of handling the job, plus she would be supported by the black voters.
I used to admire Biden, but I've gone from admiration, to sympathy, to frustration to fury.
A big Bronx cheer for Leibovich!
Harris/Biden
BIDEN/HARRIS
Either! Harris should campaign more.
@@modo101 %100
Boy, things have changed since this was recorded!
Thank you for saying and women. Nice save.
This is a ridiculous conversation to be having. I am disappointed in all of you. Love you all dearly but still so disappointed.
Totally disagree with you!! Joe must stay in the race!!
The guest didnt know the governors name, but thats ok gor her as an expert.
Al: thanks for suggesting Molly's podcast on Project 2025. I was unaware of
the Podcast. (No weather forecasting! WTF?)
Al, the most important thing is to BEAT tRump. There is NOT enough time to find another candidate!!! tRump will win and that will be DISASTER 😱😱 🙏🙏💙💙💙
*a disaster
Which country are you from.
Biden is being perceived as a corpse.. I’m sorry, he cannot take the fight to Trump, in no way has he made us feel better since the debate. It sad but true! I felt so deceived watching it felt like they have been hiding how bad off he is. And I’m getting more and more angry at Biden for being stubborn and staying in. If ALL the top Dems who I trust are calling him to step aside it means something. They are not just turning on Biden, NO ONE wants to be in this position. And I blame Biden and his team for letting it get this far. He needs to bow out, I truly believed Kamala can win this. Hillary won 3 mil more votes. And she was majorly hated (unfairly) because she had been attacked for 25 years. I think there wld be so much excitement around Kamala by the youth and women and it wldnt be crazy because she IS THE VP! It makes the most sense
And she can prosecute the case against Trump. The she issue completely goes away and lands back on Trump. She doesn’t get all the Gaza baggage. They can pick an exciting VP. She’s been vetted nationally no one else has.
@@January. You’re never less than perfect when you text? I doubt that, highly.
@@ELL289 *Trump is going to win and that will be a disaster!
@@January. Either looks correct to this nit picker.
Texting leads to shortcuts.
In 2020 Mr. Biden selected Ms. Harris to replace him in case something unfortunate happened. In 2024 they have been campaigning as 'Biden-Harris' and have clearly won the farcical primary (a real primary would have been better, but my time machine isn't working). When a large organization with a long history tries to do something somewhat unprecedented they need to do it in a way that 'looks and feels' as 'traditional' as possible. My preference is that Ms. Harris replace Mr. Biden at the top of the ticket (and that she selects Gov. Inslee of Washington as her vice-presidential candidate). However, regardless of whether reality conforms to my preferences, Trump is thoroughly beatable and Democrats need to work on getting the vote of everyone who prefers that Trump not win.
DISAPPOINTED..
One question, why aren't Bernie and AOC calling for Biden to drop out while a lot of centrist establishment Democrats are?
@@hollyschitt No, Bernie and AOC know that the reasons why the centrist Democrats are doing this is not because they're worried about winning, but because they think it's in their long-term personal interests.
You Tube is nixing my comments if I stack too many anti drumpf points.
Citing sources for quotes and facts, many of which I got from You Tube, does not assure a successful post.
Thus the piecemeal.
So Al for the first time I came away depressed this was a depressing one you know for a change. I listened this morning but since then Pres Biden announced he's not seeking and endorsed Kamala Harris. Is it weird my anxiety feels lessened?
Bye bye, Al. Have a good life. 🤞
Garland has been pathetic. (Federalist Society Member.)
This episode was taped before Biden dropped out but released after.
We can come back from embryonic personhood.
We csn't come back from a defunct EPA!
You are nuts…. All of you heavyweights in the Congress are deciding for the nation. I have always liked you. And I will stay listening to you to find out what this side that is abandoning our president, who has been eminently successful. I will continue listening to you because I need to know to hear what all you are planning. Because you’re clueless. Very very disappointed. It’s like none of you understand electoral Process. You’re going to change horses in the middle of a tidal wave. That makes soooo much sense!!!! 😢😢😢😢
Seriously, it is not a good idea to change up at this late time. It's like everyone forgot an election was coming this year. There is no recognition factor for anyone except Bernie. Let it ride, it looks weak to change up now.
Great conversation
RNC they all had a gay time. 🎉🎉
I am still supporting Biden, however if the the party decides to hold an open convention, I would vote for Jamie Raskin in a New York minute!
Shouldn’t it matter that Biden and Harris weigh the exact same?
I miss the old days when party bigwigs picked the nominee at conventions after extensive horse-trading. I'd like Kamala Harris to be the nominee without debates among a bunch of marginal randos trying to boost their brand. Democrats don't need every fringe idea (looking at you Bernie) becoming a plank in their platform.
Also recommend George Conway new anti psychotic pac. Trump needs an intervention. SMH
Al COME BACK we miss you!
The black community will not allow you to disrespect VP Harris... F around and find out...
Shout it out : BAN Porn says MAGA project 2025 !! Ban Porn ! That should flip all the MAGA men except the 5 percent who don’t watch porn
FDR democrat has become unrecognizable, 😂 the party a slave to corporate personhood…
What ate your thoughts about Pres. Biden stepping down before the convention? My thought is, if they are going to take it away from him anyway, he may as well step down this way Kamal becomes the incumbent and the first female president.
Franken for VP
Mark is wrong about support for Harris; women against Dobbs believe in her.
I'd like Molly to address all the lives lost to masterbation. If sex is intended for procreation aren't wasted sperm cells equal to female contraception?
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