My friends cousin died like this Crashed right into someone's house, if the family hadn't been arguing, and left the room, They would have been dead too.
I don’t get this -and why they decided to fly in these conditions and not obtain the current weather report in an area that is known for icing. i’m sure the executive passenger is bully the pilots into continuing the flight. In my opinion
@@horseathalt7308 Total speculative BS. Your envy is showing. It is equally likely that the pilots hesitated to give the impression that they lacked the skills needed to safely operate in those conditions. Did you see that the pilots did not obtain a current weather briefing, which also tends to support that it was the pilots - not the “ivory tower passengers” - who made poor choices.
Been there (almost) done that on more than one occasion.. Watching the ASI creep back to min speed for ice and unable to descend is one of the most unnerving experiences a pilot will have to deal with.. have to admit, I've had my share of luck.
"It could not be determined why the pilots failed to obtain the current weather briefing." Probably for the same reason they diverted to an airport much farther away from the one they'd departed, when the icing conditions certainly weren't getting any better. "Descend and maintain 10,000. That's the best I can do right now." Rick Harrison was an air traffic controller back in the day?
The promise of good winter weather back home in Texas lured them into Colorado Icing conditions ! I'm from Lufkin Texas & most winter days were pretty decent / warm vs Colorado.
Not a typo. According to the NTSB report, Appendix B, under the heading "Barbara Ray Fisher": *"He* held airline transport pilot certificate No. 1196805, dated June 27, 1974, for airplane multiengine land, with a type rating in the DC-3... In addition, *he* held flight instructor certificate No. 1196805 CFI, dated August 3, 1979... *He* held a second - class medical certificate, dated January 14, 1980, with the limitation that the holder wear glasses for near and far vision while exercising the privileges of his airman certificate." I was surprised to see *"He* has 10,225 hours of flying time" as well, to be honest.
*He* went by Ray. From the Find-a-Grave website: *Son* of George and Alice Fisher. Wed Helen Enloe, 15 Oct 1949, Texas. Children: Timothy and Linda. Wed Carey Gordon, 14 Aug 1975, Texas.
@@roscoewhite3793thank you for this information! I kinda wondered the same. Just wondering, did he by any chance have a brother named… Sue? I can hear Johnny Cash snickering right now!🤭
@@b.t.356 wow - you’d want to have a serious and difficult conversation, a la Johnny Cash’s ‘Boy named Sue’ if that’s what your parents named you (assuming you’re a boy’).
Allec, these presentations would be much better if you would invest in narration software. While I like your product, I find that the Air Disasters series is more to my liking due to the narration. If I am reading, I am missing the detail of the video.
Alec took a poll a while ago and apparently captions won. I voted captions. Alec might offer narration WITH captions and those that did not like narration could turn down volume (but would lose sound effects and music).
Don't argue with ATC. Declare an emergency.
Bingo. I was like . What in the heck are they doing dancing around their SERIOUS immediate emergency. It probably killed them all
My friends cousin died like this
Crashed right into someone's house, if the family hadn't been arguing, and left the room,
They would have been dead too.
Pics or it didn’t happen
When the thumbnail is a wing tip sticking into the ground, you know this story isn’t ending well.
When the video is from Allec, you know this isn't going to end well.
I don’t get this -and why they decided to fly in these conditions and not obtain the current weather report in an area that is known for icing. i’m sure the executive passenger is bully the pilots into continuing the flight. In my opinion
Yep, every time it seems like this. Intimidation..well that ivoryTower guy won't be bothering anyone again.
@@horseathalt7308 Total speculative BS. Your envy is showing. It is equally likely that the pilots hesitated to give the impression that they lacked the skills needed to safely operate in those conditions. Did you see that the pilots did not obtain a current weather briefing, which also tends to support that it was the pilots - not the “ivory tower passengers” - who made poor choices.
Been there (almost) done that on more than one occasion.. Watching the ASI creep back to min speed for ice and unable to descend is one of the most unnerving experiences a pilot will have to deal with.. have to admit, I've had my share of luck.
Not sure why they didn't return to Arapahoe which was closer than diverting to Stapleton.
The fatal mistake was made on the ground
It's kind of hard to fly an ice cube.
With the supercooled droplets, reminded me of Roselawn. RIP folks.
"It could not be determined why the pilots failed to obtain the current weather briefing."
Probably for the same reason they diverted to an airport much farther away from the one they'd departed, when the icing conditions certainly weren't getting any better.
"Descend and maintain 10,000. That's the best I can do right now." Rick Harrison was an air traffic controller back in the day?
Thanks Allec. You always come through with the details.
Texans and winter are a bad combination...
The promise of good winter weather back home in Texas lured them into Colorado Icing conditions !
I'm from Lufkin Texas & most winter days were pretty decent / warm vs Colorado.
Barbara Ray Fisher "HE" has 10,225 hrs fly time. A typo
Not a typo.
According to the NTSB report, Appendix B, under the heading "Barbara Ray Fisher": *"He* held airline transport pilot certificate No. 1196805, dated June 27, 1974, for airplane multiengine land, with a type rating in the DC-3... In addition, *he* held flight instructor certificate No. 1196805 CFI, dated August 3, 1979... *He* held a second - class medical certificate, dated January 14, 1980, with the limitation that the holder wear glasses for near and far vision while exercising the privileges of his airman certificate."
I was surprised to see *"He* has 10,225 hours of flying time" as well, to be honest.
*He* went by Ray.
From the Find-a-Grave website:
*Son* of George and Alice Fisher.
Wed Helen Enloe, 15 Oct 1949, Texas.
Children: Timothy and Linda.
Wed Carey Gordon, 14 Aug 1975, Texas.
@@ScrewFlanders-- ah, that's how he avoided the "boy named sue" syndrome.
@@roscoewhite3793thank you for this information! I kinda wondered the same.
Just wondering, did he by any chance have a brother named…
Sue?
I can hear Johnny Cash snickering right now!🤭
Back in the early 1900s, Barbara wasn't unheard of as a man's name. I've come across a couple in my lifetime.
It isn't the weight, it is the changing of the shape of the wing. Less lift/Loss of lift and performance.
Death.
A very sad loss - it seems that missing the latest weather briefing meant that the pilots were heading unaware into really dangerous conditions 😢
Request please 🙏:
Northwest airlink flight 5719 on December 1st 1993 in Northen Minnesota.
I was hoping theyd turn back immediately, why continue on which is further away. Thanks Allec as always for putting these together and explanation
Bad day to fly. Lesson learned the hard way folks. Don’t let it be you!
Is Barbara a man’s name in the USA???😮
It's a woman's name in the states
Although there may be some men with that name
It's pronounced ba bra😂🎉 Kelly's heroes reference
@@patrickwatrin5093 ah ha! That makes perfect sense then…😂
@@b.t.356 wow - you’d want to have a serious and difficult conversation, a la Johnny Cash’s ‘Boy named Sue’ if that’s what your parents named you (assuming you’re a boy’).
Here we go!
I wonder where you got that plane crash sound effect from-
Allec you forgot to put details in the video description.
I remember when this happened. I live close to Lufkin. Tragic.
I was face first in a pile of disco dust that day
I was in Colorado Springs when this happened. Air Force Weather...
Very sad. We didn’t understand the impacts of ice on aircraft then, as well as we do today.
Yet it still happens.
They knew about the issues of Ice back in the 40's; WTH are you talking about?
Maybe flying in bad weather just isn't a good idea.
Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?
"Burdened by what has been [a very cold and icy day ]"
Thnx Alec, again great video
Encountered.
Ouch...
Allec, these presentations would be much better if you would invest in narration software. While I like your product, I find that the Air Disasters series is more to my liking due to the narration. If I am reading, I am missing the detail of the video.
Alec took a poll a while ago and apparently captions won. I voted captions. Alec might offer narration WITH captions and those that did not like narration could turn down volume (but would lose sound effects and music).
Wait Barbara is/was a he???
Well,not all female name is actually a female
@@Randomly_Browsing Yeah, Francis came to mind even before I commented. Barbara is one I haven’t seen used as unisex. Blessings
A boy named Sue?
Lear use to sit behind me at school
@@ozwogmanGotta love Johhny Cash!
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Obviously, it was a typo. Or auto corrected
There is no man named Barbara!!!
You are sure?
According to the NTSB report, the pilot was male.