Feminism is Gender Dysphoria | Guest: Gabriel Finochio | Ep 996
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Today, we're joined by Gabriel Finochio, cofounder of TheosU and host of "The Reactionary Christian," to discuss Christian nationalism, the church fathers, the attack of the secular Left, the importance of a Christian society, and why feminism has destroyed biblical womanhood for so many women. Is America a Christian country, and how should religion be structured into government, if at all? What actually IS "Christian nationalism"? What elements of our civilization should be conserved? What is the real danger of idolatry? And is feminism gender dysphoria?
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00:00 Introduction
03:15 Defining Gabe’s theology
08:59 Christian nationalism
15:15 Christian virtues
28:59 Religion vs. relationship
47:55 The problems with feminism
01:04:15 Body dysphoria
01:09:20 Destruction of families
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I would never consider myself a feminist, but as a single women (not by choice) I am incredibly thankful for the rights that I have today that were fought for by past women. I canNOT imagine not being allowed to vote-especially in this upcoming election. I am grateful that I can buy a car, rent an apartment, and open my own bank account without having to have my father co-sign for me. My mom was telling me when she was first married, she could not even get her own credit card without having my dad added to the account. I know things today are CRAZY, and we have gone way too far in the opposite direction, but I am still glad to be able to function and be respected in society without a husband.
What you need to consider, which is a mind-bending concept for some, is that all of the things you talk about have contributed to you being single.
Yes that was the point of the push for women’s independence. Because if their husband decided to leave them they would be stuck without a job (or the skills/resume for a job, savings etc) to be able to support themselves and their children. Because we DO live in a fallen world and these things happen often. I agree it’s gone way too far and is no longer helpful to society. In my opinion, it started so women weren’t destitute. I don’t consider myself a feminist at all and thankfully have been in a wonderful marriage for 16 years and “divorce“ is never a term that graces our tongue but I’m thankful for options for women when their worlds coming crashing down. I think this speaker has a romanticized version of womanhood in past history. But I do agree the family, motherhood, femininity is a beautiful thing
I'm glad for equality, too. Fundamental rights were not as obviously in the Bible, due to culture. However, God called many women into extraordinary things, from Deborah to Ruth to Mary to the woman at the well. Men and women were meant to be a team. Men weren't meant to dominate, but lead. Women weren't designed to be subservient, but to be willingly submissive. The act of voting is helping America decide who it will be submissive to.
@@vaportrails7943you're right, she has the option to be single now. in the past, we would've been basically slaves to our (probably abusive) husbands because we would have no other option, no way to make our own money or escape. id take single over that any day.
women having options means men have to actually be worth us considering dating, which is really what you're afraid of.
I agree with you. I am not a feminist but I take a lot of pride in my 18 yr career as a teacher. I enjoy working and I also appreciate the right to vote. But yes I do think it has all gone too far. Progressivism keeps progressing all the way off a cliff. It never knows when to stop.
I was born homeless, have been living in the street for so long, washing cars for money until my client offered me a job opportunity. I have been working for years and managing till I melt a friend who helped me introduce me to Mrs ELIZABETH... She changed my life and now I have a house, kid's with a new identity.... God blessed me unexpectedly all glory to God ♥️💯
What a testimony! I'm glad you got your life back together
But how do you make so much in a month? mind sharing?
Thank God for Bringing Mrs Elizabeth Marie Hawley, I'm happy for God's grace have found me, Mrs Elizabeth Marie Hawley is lord sent!!!
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place
YES!!! That's exactly her name (Elizabeth Marie Hawley) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her 😊 from Brisbane Australia🇦🇺
Finally! This is the first time I've ever heard someone defend the word "religion" as not being a dirty word. Being "bound to" scripture/Jesus is exactly how I'd like to describe myself. Amen!
I LOVED this episode! I’ve been saying similar things about feminism for years. It’s at the root of all the nonsense going on today. Now I’m going to start calling myself an anti-feminist. 😁
This is one of my favorite episodes so far!
Wow! This dude is awesome. This might even be my favorite episode. Good stuff.
What a fantastic guy! I love his ideas and way of thinking! And rhat he's a Jesus Freak! 😊😊 Thank you for having him on the show!
This has been one of my favorites of yours.
The church has always produced excellence, bc we are called to a higher purpose!! ❤ thank you Allie for your hard work in producing a quality podcast!
He didn’t answer the question regarding the protection of women and women having a voice. Queen Victoria was not significant to the pauper being beaten by her husband, unable to work or buy land. He avoided the actual question and talked about his personal life experience. This is sad that he lacks the ability to understand that women can simultaneously recognize husbands as the head of the household, but also that some evil men exist in this world. Maybe feminism as a whole has evolved into something that goes against Christianity, but there was and IS a need for the protection and voices of women. Miriam, Deborah, and the daughters of Zelophehad are just a few women in the Bible who had voices.
Yes spot on... Was definitely along the lines of what I was thinking
Feminism didn't evolve into something against Christianity. It was anti-Christian from its birth.
Did this guy actually state that women shouldn’t vote and weren’t oppressed in the past?? I’m no feminist, but that is wildly inaccurate and kind of disturbing. I wish Allie pushed back in that more. Also, Jane Austen definitely explored and critiqued women’s limited role in her society!
What people are starting to realize is we used to have a family vote. Women didn’t vote because the men took on the responsibility.
I’m not saying I do or don’t agree. BUT I get the thinking that it works just fine if relationships between men and women are doing well in society. The men will be taking their responsibility seriously, speaking for the woman and children in a self sacrificial way.
Appreciate so much when someone has the courage to say what no one else wants to! Refreshing lack of fear-of-man (or woman) in this guys. Many great points! I’m one of those career women who finally was saved from feminism and reorientated to family life. Praise be to God!
Love the comment re: we want order for everything except religion. Excellent point!
He is great! Reminds me of Rosario Butterfield and her intelligence and articulation of truth. 🏆✝️🙏🏼❤️
Great interview. I totally agree with this man. I am an elderly woman and I never agreed with the “women’s” movement. All it did was add burden to women. Kudos to him for his courage in going against the tide.
Shoutout to the Catholics that started hospitals and universities! Thanks guys ❤
The RCC wasn’t totally devoid of value. Luther himself just wanted to reform the Church to Scripture and away from its errors, not create a split- but alas.
This is a dangerous overcorrection for women's rights. The answer to modern feminism is not to remove the freedoms and protections we have worked for. I would argue that modern feminism is really all about men and has little to do with actual women. Major red flags coming from this guy.
Yes, I think this guy, is oblivious to the depth & scope of women’s issues, thankfully Allie Beth helped him see a little of that. And I agree with Allie Beth, Jesus is always the answer.
Not totally on board with this guest Allie. Much of what he said is good, but there was a lot of oppression and mistreatment of women in society in years past, it's well documented. Often though, over correction happens in this and other issues, and we are definitely seeing the horrible consequences of that with radical feminism. I have to add, being a Jane Austen fan and having read all of her novels, she very much represented mistreated and oppressed women - who were basically sold off to marry men they did not wish to marry. Charlotte Collins is one such example, she was desperate and marriage was her only escape. But thanks for having great conversations and I so appreciate your spirit and your stand for righteousness in these crazy times.
I agree with you. By reading Jane Austen, I never stopped thinking about how women were often forced to marry because they could not support themselves. They couldn't even inherit their husband's property. All inheritances were to be inherited by a male
Is a woman being seen as equal to a man in rights a bad thing? Finochio seems to think it is. Yikes. Queen Victoria was a rich aristocrat and her life had no comparison on that of say working class women of her day. He says voting is against a womans nature. I would have liked the interviewer to have pushed back on that opinion.
It's interesting that all the females he referred to as good examples were white middle class or aristocratic women who were rich and had power. In the case of Austen who earned income herself by writing.
The working class women had no protection whatsoever and the vote and feminism went some way to protecting their interests.
All in all not a very good interview innthis aspect.
I love TheosU! and the Finochio brothers
Fantastic conversation!
Loved this conversation 🙌
This is a fantastic conversation.
Ally, can you explain what exactly is a reformed Baptist? Why must the Baptist belief be reformed? What is wrong with it?
“Reformed” is a particular branch of theology. It’s a technical term in this usage.
Reformed theology began in the 16th century
It's basically Calvinism.
I'm really getting hung up on his use of "de-thaw."
I came looking for this comment 😂 glad I’m not alone on that one
I really like this guy. About the relationship discussion, while I agree we are in a relationship with God something has always bothered me when I’ve heard “It’s a relationship not a religion “. This guy really put into words how I’ve always felt about that and the right perspective we need to have.
I love this show! I wish you had been around when I was in my 30s. But I'm so thankful for you now. God is always on time. 😊
Great episode! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I have to say, while I get his point about feminism resulting in single women in their 30s…as a single woman in my 30s who desires marriage with a godly man and always thought I’d be married with multiple kids by now, it hurts when my age group is painted with such a broad brush. We’re not all single because we’ve been fooled by feminism and now are desperate to freeze our eggs. Some of us can’t find godly, mature men, despite our trying. When I’ve tried dating apps (ugh) in the past, the vast majority of men I encountered with were immature Christians, or professing Christians, not godly men. Obviously this doesn’t mean there aren’t honorable, godly men out there. I know there are. And I know God has sovereignty ordained my steps, and He may have marriage in my future still. But please, in these conversations about single women in their 30s+, don’t forget about us. Some of us love the Lord and His Word, serve faithfully in our churches, and strongly desire marriage. I’ve heard this take more than once lately, and while I understand the point, it hurts.
Totally agree with you! Got married last year (in my thirties) and I’m so tender for women who’ve looked long and are still single. I think Allie does a good job of representing the single Christian women’s perspective here, but it stings when other believers still don’t seem to know about the singles’ plight in the church.
Yes, but feminism created this mess.
That’s true sister, God may have marriage for you or not, but marriage and singleness are both blessings, do not dismay. I married at 38
Good perspective. God bless you !
I agree. Same thing with infertility, while some is caused by waiting too long to try having children and birth control, many of us have been trying since early 20s. The Lord opens and closes wombs, He is sovereign over barenness and singleness. It's a burden and a trial, but the Lord is with us through it and uses it for our good and His glory. 💗
Hi! Thanks for the episode! It’s sounds like the guest is saying there are qualifiers to belief (salvation) You HAVE to obey not that you Should obey? Can you explain this?!
I didn't understand why it is such a bad thing for girls to be able to read and write and to have the choice for higher education, career, etc etc.. or to believe that they are created as image bearers of God and have the same dignity as men..
Women should read and write, but I think he’s saying that women have been sold a narrative that takes them out of their most important role of mother. I remember feeling so sad when the 60 minutes news show’s ticking would start because that’s when my mom would leave for her night shift. My dad was great, but I didn’t want my mom to leave. I spent all of my 20s becoming a doctor, but thank God, my parents pushed me to also get married at an appropriate age. Then there was a pressure to have kids. Now I consider being a mother my most cherished duty and role and consider it the greatest privilege. I don’t have the same love for my job now even though that was my focus when I was a late teen.
@@chrisgrace81what if a woman cannot have children? IVF is now considered immoral. So she can’t go that route. Adopting can take years. Women are allowed to exist and thrive in situations that aren’t just motherhood. I love being a mom as well, but it’s not for everyone.
@@chrisgrace81 I agree with you 100%. But that's not what he is saying.. he is opposing first and second wave feminism, which though wasn't perfect, sought political and legal equality.. nothing that was said explained why political and legal equality is a bad thing.. I do believe that anyone who claims that feminism is a bad thing needs to explain why political and legal equality is bad.. and even today no one forces women to vote, no one forces them to run for office, no one forces them to study beyond basic schooling.. no one forces them to work outside home.. what feminism did was to give women these choices.. yeah I do accept that not everyone chooses what is best for them.. i accept that there is social pressure to do one thing rather than the other.. but I'd rather have the choice than everyone is forced to be a housewife, when women didn't have the choice to escape emotional and physical abuse, when the wife was blamed for the husband's infidelity, etc..
Wow this guys pretty great!!
So how do you balance the statement God has authority over everything but we are also called to respect authorities put over us as in our government? This was in regards to the conversation about covid time and church closure.
Listened twice ❤
He had me until he started talking about the vote, lol 56:49
I do agree that there is some nuance around that topic like with some of the things Nancy Pearcey has spoken on regarding desiring individuality over the nuclear family, but I don’t think that the guest really answered the question well. He seemed to minimize the problems women were having at the time that women getting the vote wash pushed.
I think he said something about women not really wanting the vote too and I do not think that is true. I believe women must be equal partners with men in life, not because they are the "same" but because they are different. It wasn't even until the 1960s that a woman could get a credit card in her name. I think this guest has an overreaction to feminism.
When you think of women's rights, what do you think of? This refers to women divorcing their husbands and splitting up their children, the "right" to use contraception and abortion, working outside the home and abandoning their very young children to mainly strangers, sexual freedom and expression, etc. The large majority of women vote along the line of feminist liberalism. The problems within families and marriages can and should be dealt with. The vote of women is not necessary and the majority of women during the suffrage movement in the US was opposed by common sense women.
@@kristinwannemuehler9757 I think the vote of women is not necessarily needed in all scenarios. But when it comes to the ability to speak for your household, many women are put in the position of being the only place of authority in their household. Because we live in a broken world we have single moms, single women who don’t want to be single but it’s not God’s timing yet, women who don’t have surviving family, women taking care of disabled husbands young and old. They deserve the right and ability to be a part of the vote to speak for their household.
My original comment was really about how he minimized the struggle of women. I think having equal rights speaks to more than just the vote. Women being able to own property, to be considered equal in the eyes of the law, and so on. There was a reason that women and widows were among the groups of people Jesus talked about helping, because they were most vulnerable in that governmental structure. Being able to fend for ourselves in the unfortunate circumstance we don’t have husbands or don’t have husbands who are able to provide and vote for the best interest of our family is important.
I don't think voting was the type of help Jesus was talking about. I don't think women voting will maybe ever go away in this country as we tend towards extending rights to more people than restricting. That being said, if women have the right to vote, they should also, like men are, be registered if there was ever a draft when they turn 18. If they want the perks, they should accept the responsibilities. There we often many opportunities for women to come before city counsels and town halls and bring issues before men, things that demanded attention for the good of the family and the community. This was a fully functioning system before women could vote.
@@kristinwannemuehler9757 it’s really sad to see self-hating women and women who cast judgment and hatred to other women for just existing. you are missing SO many points and it’s really sad to see a woman like you spread disgusting sexist propaganda. i hope one day you will see yourself as just as valuable as men and that our voices matter. even though what i think what you said is abhorrent i still wish that you would see yourself and other women as deserving of basic humanity and human rights.
I was baptized as a Lutheran just a few months ago, this was a very interesting conversation for me 😂
What a very good set of content - I agree greatly with most everything shared by both the guest and the host. The obnoxious and repeated commercial interruptions substantially erode the content and should be done away with or saved til the end. I am pretty certain everyone does as indi - skips forward past the commercials so there is little advertising value to the company.
But I would add one comment to these thoughts shared here- for the most part this is then important battle cry for a decade or two ago. We are already past the point of holding ground. We are past seeing the world have foolish thoughts leading to darkened hearts. We are now at the third and final level of sin where God givers people mover to depraved minds. At this level - change is usually impossible . Only the remnant believers will stand for and grasp God’s truth on these subjects
Would love to bring Rod Dreher in on this first conversation as well. (Author of Benedict Option and Live Not By Lies.)
I recommend having Timothy Gordon of Rules for Retrogrades on sometime. He rips into feminism like no one else.
I got where he is coming from in my early 20's. "If you love me, keep my commandments" took on much more meaning when I realized that Christ is King of the Jews, and all Israel. And He said He came not but for the lost sheep of Israel, being the scattered 10 tribes. Seeing myself as a Gentile believer in the God of Israel, and His Son, doesn't mean the "Old Testament" isn't for me.
I agree with you, Allie Beth, most of what this man says is accurate, but he’s missing the mark on some women’s issues.
And yes! Jesus is always the answer. Trust and obey Him. Leave your sins in the past. Take up your cross daily and follow Jesus. ❤
I agree.
I think Protestants fell away from the teaching that birth control is sinful because it doesn’t matter to them. “Faith alone” does, and teachings like that were inevitably going to be seen as “not a salvation issue”. But of course the Christian life matters. As y’all said in the relationship/religion discussion, it matters to our very souls how God asks us to live. If He’s called you to marriage, He’s called you to live it fully accepting every blessing and accepting it if He doesn’t bless in the form of a child.
I think focusing on birth control misses the much more important issue of divorce.
@@vaportrails7943 very well could be true. Definitely all connected though.
What time did this finally upload to RUclips? I gave up last night but I’ll watch it sometime today!
Allie, I just recently learned about the history of the Baptist Church. It did not come out of the protestant movement. It was part of the underground church after the 300s. There were many other churches that came out of the underground church, including pilgrims Puritans Amish, etc.
Either a slave to Christ or a slave to sin. We’re called to be bond servants says the scripture.
Excellent discussion. I got a lot out of this.
I'm confused. How is voting "against the nature of women"?
I think they meant what most women end up voting for. Or that it requires the exhaustive attention to what is going on in politics at all times
@@mikebickle823 I get what you are trying to say but as a Christian woman who always votes conservative...this argument is a foreign to me. Why take my vote away? I'm one of the good guys. 😂
Because giving women the ability to vote allows her to vote against her head (her husband). That is contrary to nature.
@00teatime I'm not personally advocating that. But the people who are notice that Christian conservative women aren't voting as much as lib women wanting to kill their kids
This is an excellent interview.
I thought pagan was said with a hard 'A'
Loved this episode!!
I like what he had to say about why Christianity isn’t a relationship but a religion. I also think it’s the only religion that has both “religion” and relationship so it’s definitely both.
The left says "I'm not religious, I'm spiritual." The right says "It's not a religion, it's a relationship." I have repeated that myself. But lately I've been thinking you know what...I am religious! It's not a dirty word.
There’s a good book about feminism called Eve in Exile by Rebekah Merkel.
Best episode yet!!!
So I am 55, raised in a Christian home, and currently active in my Bible believing church. I haven’t completely finished listening to this, but have gotten far enough into the podcast where we are talking about women voting. First- women may have not wanted to vote, it was a new thing, and their first steps into having their own voice. They probably looked at it as a responsibility and this was a scary new thing. I’ve heard this lately in the conservative realm and it really bothers me. Women were not supposed to think for themselves. They were supposed to do what they were told and look pretty. So as a Christian I got to vote regardless of if I were a man or a woman if I accepted Christ. I had to make that decision for myself. I couldn’t rely on a man to make that decision for me, and I believe voting, although not near as important as my choice for salvation, should be something that every citizen gets to do.
Also, although raised in a Christian home, and my dad would use language that he wanted me to think for myself, he raised me to do what a man said. It took me a long time to understand, my role as a Christian is to follow Christ- not my dad or the man in my house.
People often misunderstand this concept. The vote was supposed to be one per household. Only landowners were supposed to vote because they were the ones with stakes in the elections. I kind of like this concept in principle, though of course in practice there were problems. My husband and I talk politics all the time, and he actually follows my lead with his vote about 90% of the time because I do more research, and he trusts my judgment. In theory, the man could have consulted his wife and gotten her opinion too. In practice, this may not have happened as often as it should have.
Just some historical relevance for you. Imagine if only landowners had the right to vote now. Might our country be better off? We wouldn't be run by a bunch of ignorant college students and out-of-touch city dwellers like we are now. The problem, of course, is that plenty of intelligent and informed people rent now, but I might argue this is mostly because of poor fiscal policies put in place by ignorant voters of the past, making owning property MUCH more difficult than it should be. We've been on a downward trend for a long time.
Let freedom ring, what about the widow, the unmarried, separated, or the divorced women? So, by your logic, if my husband were to die, what would become of me? I have no father to go back to, he’s long dead, and when he was alive he was evil and imprisoned for wicked s*x crimes against children.
Seriously, what would you want society to do with me? Leave me penniless in the street to sell matches and flowers to passerbys, like they used to do back in the old days?
And that’s kind of beside the point. The point is, if my situation happens in modern times, I guarantee you it happened back then in the old days. Things were not better back then either, it was just full of a different kind of evil. Nothing is new under the sun. And what would be your solution for those in desperate need for safety, security, property to call their own, money to call their own, the need to run the household if their husband became sick with debilitating diseases or injuries that would prevent the men from their normal course of life?
I would propose a balanced approach. Balance is key, because to side with either extreme viewpoint, is an error.
@@letfreedomring7330- I understand what you are saying, and what other proponents of this have talked about, I would need to go back to the same time period and look at the laws for myself. STILL- And as a landowner now, who actually doesn’t have near as many “rights” at the moment. The electoral college was set up for a reason. Citizens deserve to voice their vote. This isn’t about woke college students for me. It’s about raising generations of females that are independent enough, that she never needs to fear a man leaving her with mouths to feed as he moves on to his next conquest. It’s raising men that fear the Lord, and understand the value of family.
It does us NO good to talk about what we wish would have happened 100 years ago. We need to move forward- teach our boys to love God, their wives, and their families. Girls- to stop chasing fairy tales, and to Love God, their husbands and their families. That staying together and working together builds the next generations.
@@blueredpinkgreenWe're talking about voting rights. What on earth do your questions have to do with the topic at hand? Of course I don't believe any of those things. Also, I was simply attempting to bring some historical context here, not to make an argument against women voting.
Your emotional and irrelevant appeals are part of the problem and are, frankly, the reason so many men have problems with women voting now. A reminder: *I* am a woman, and I love that I can vote. I'm a mother of five, and I worry about becoming a widow every day. But that is irrelevant. To at least partially answer your questions, the widow and the single woman could be landowners and so could vote according to what I said before, but not being an expert on the law or history I don't really know. The rest of what you said was a rant about something else entirely. I'm sorry you've had a rough life.
@@dandebwarrenI agree with you 100%.
I have mixed views on the religion vs. relationship language. I think the better way to phrase it would be "Yes, it is a religion, but it is so much more than that. It is also a relationship with Jesus. Let me tell you about Jesus" and of course, stick to Biblical principles. I think the thing that rubs me wrong is when we dismiss it as a religion altogether and replace it with a relationship. We should say that it's both.
And my Pastor has said the whole it's not a religion, it's a relationship thing before. But he's great at sticking to biblical truths even though he has said that. It's one of the phrases I don't really like, but I know what he's trying to get at, I just wish he would word it differently so people wouldn't get the wrong idea about it.
I hope that makes sense. I'm not trying to defend my pastor, it's one of the things I disagree with. However, I know that I can't base my entirety of value of his teachings from that one bad phrase. He does have good biblical truths that he delivers and he still stays very true to the requirements that the Bible lays out for us as Christians. I think that's why that phrase isn't always the way they mean. It should be a yes/and, vs. an either/or.
What's the problem with Christianity being a religion when it is one the largest one in fact.
I agree. Pastor Greg Laurie says that too, and I love Greg!
One question I continue to ask and put forth is
Where in scripture do we as God’s saints see God sanctioning denominations in any regard?
I am here to express appreciation for the podcast. I listened on iHeart app, cause it was late.
Interesting takes and while I don’t agree with all his takes in many ways he makes sense.
No wonder it took so long to get it on YT. God Bless You! Hello & Be Blessed Friends! 🙏
Who says going to High School and University is only for men? The only way this would be appropriate is if we could make sure ALL men do not look down on their wives for not being educated enough or smart enough. You can be a mom/wife and be educated and have a job. There can be a balance. I would love to see a scripture where it says women cannot be this way and men must be this way. Don't forget the Proverbs 31 woman owned and operated a vineyard at some point in her life and Jesus had a patroness for his ministry. Pretty sure the father's of our faith did not attend University.
I just finished Anna Karenina and at the end Levin goes through the process of realizing that without Faith, there is no love. It’s a beautiful peek into those inner thoughts
Hello everyone 👋 Even though it's super late, this is still well worth the listen. Thank you, Allie Beth.
God bless you and your families.
God partnered with us, his son/daughter set the terms for our relationship with the Lord. we can either enter a relationship with him. Eg. Sit with him sup with him talk with him feel his presence. It does rest on our shoulders. The Bible says draw near to me and I’ll draw near to you. Many more scriptures to back this up. ❤
God's blessings from Bay City Michigan
He got a little too red piller at the end
Jesus did not come to start a new religion. He came to uphold the father‘s laws instructions/ Torah . religion is man-made. There’s so many different denominations and distractions. Why put a label on yourself when we get to heaven God is not gonna ask us. Are you a protestant, Catholic? We are followers of Jesus and believers and him and the father no labels needed.
Where's Trent Horn
Monday, apparently! :)
@GratiaPrima_ oh ok 👍
What an interesting episode! However, I would disagree with you Allie. To my mind, you are a perfect example of feminism and I think you should reappropriate the word for yourself. Feminism is not only a left wing issue and we need strong conservative women to use the word for themselves.
Why do I think you are feminist? Because you are a strong female figure with a great voice and you are an inspiration to many women (and even men) out there. You are a fervent defenser of women's rights and you carry out the voice of many women from all across the US. You are the living proof that ideas go beyond gender.
To me you are a strong conservative and christian feminist and I am very thankful that we get to hear your voice.
Now please we need more discussion on the importance and the significance of the protestant reformation! While I often disagreed with your guest, I found his points on christian doctrines extremely interesting.
I disagree. The term "feminism" is inherently associated with evil, and it should never be redeemed to mean anything positive.
Read the ALL of the Church Fathers. Stop picking and choosing. Eastern Orthodox are the original Protestants. There is only one Church. Christ does not have more than one Body or more than one Bride.
When ever I hear Pastors say there into relationship not religion it always screams " please like me so I can convert you". I've never seen it work and they usually get attacked anyway. I have learned that often dogs chase you because you run.
I like this man's nuanced perspective. A Christ centered consciousness with due regard to historical Christianity.
The early church fathers are essentially our historical elders. So Clement, Iraeneus, Augustine, Anselm, Jerome, Aquinas to some degree. These godly men vigilantly guarded our doctrine.and documents.
The doctrinal debates we have are naturally occurring because tge proclamation of the gospel IS our Oral Tradition. And we need to have an answer to everyone who asks us for the reasons why we believe. That occurs within and outside.
Nationalism vs internationalism is a struggle Christians need to be involved in to protect our Christian foundations.
Internationalism is a blender of plurality which is idolatry. Our Christian nation is already experiencing judgment from gross immorality. Surely we don't want that doubled with Idolatry but I fear that's the case already.
the eastern orthodox do not have problems with the One True Church on matters of dogma!
“Pegganism” 😮💨
I may misunderstand the part where you asked him if he considers himself Protestant. It’s odd to me that the Catholic Church seems to be regarded as the first church. The earliest church recorded in the Bible, did not hold the same practices (and I would also say principles). I was asked this question when I was young in my faith and did not know anything about church history, but it was asked as if Protestant faiths were an updated form of Catholicism.
The Catholic Church IS the first Church. That’s just historical fact. The Orthodox and then later the Protestants came out of it. The councils that set the cannon of scripture and the Apostles creed and all of that? Catholic Councils.
Catholism needs a deeper study.
The practices actually were there. (Some came later) but nothing is against scripture. If you are interested Scott Hahn is phenomenal.
@@GratiaPrima_ I’ll look into it, but the apostles weren’t Catholic. Neither were any of the churches they visited and wrote to. That is the first church. The apostles would’ve rebuked people for praying to other humans. That is idolatry plain and simple. Jesus is God and that is the only reason praying in his name is not idolatry.
The Catholic Church, completely based around the Institution of the Eucharist and the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross made present at EVERY Mass, was alive and strong before any piece of the New Testament, Gospels included, were ever written down. Christ instituted the priesthood to the Apostles and the Eucharist in the bread and wine transubstantiated into His Body and Blood at the Last Supper. It's all there. It is his final commandment and desire for us to be one with Christ.
The Roman Catholic Church is only considered to be the first church by Roman Catholics. Any honest review of church history will demonstrate that to be a laughable claim.
- civilization is not decaying as per se ;it is just ,as babylon too falling, in all it's confusion and dismay...
WHOA !!!
I have said from the beginning that the trans issues came from feminism. They use the same lines and arguments as the feminist movement. Feminists were also the first ones to want to be in men's spaces and in men's sports. One of the big issues with the first couple waves of feminism is that it divided the family, separating women into a single person instead of identifying as a family unit, which makes them and their children vulnerable and puts men and women against each other instead of working towards cohesion and complementation. In the instances of abusive relationships, the Bible addresses those things as well, men should "love their wives as Christ loves the church". Glad to hear more people speaking up about this.
“Men’s spaces.” That’s the issue. Men thought they could define anything outside the home as “theirs,” and it is NOT.
@Fearlessly91 what is wrong with men having men's spaces? Just like women have their groups and activities. I've also never heard of a man ever saying that all spaces are "theirs" 😄
@@Ecos107 a lot of men refer to the workplace as a “male space.”
@@Fearlessly91technically it was their space until about the 50s
@@Ecos107 they have no right to keep it a male space.
I appreciate his views/explanation regarding religion vs relationship… I’ve always found that “relationship over religion” motto very confusing… Almost as though we put Jesus on the same level as my good friends… or parents… ?! Really? Jesus is my ruler- I’m now HIS slave- I was bought… at an eternally high price… Out of love…
Seriously though, I thought Trent Horn was going to be the next episode 🤔
I know. Maybe next week. I guess something came up.
I missed that?? Did she announce that?
I love love Trent Horn.. also..
Jimmy Akin and James White just put out two new debates... EVERYONE NEEDS TO hear them! 😄PHENOMENAL!!!
This was a good conversation but disagree on the feminism part. Agreee that feminism contains characteristics of gender dysphoria. Disagree about the women’s rights, including the right to vote etc… way off the mark there.
Isn’t it a bit comical that he making the argument that our found fathers, who overthrew their nation of origin, nationalist.
In terms of a personal relationship with Christ and that that's not the whole picture you might want to talk about the body of Christ. That is very very important. This guy is great though and I have not reached the end of the podcast so maybe he mentions it.
I never really understood what “fear of the Lord” meant!! This conversation cleared so many things up for me!! Thank you!
The late Michael Heiser believed modern Christians need to put their minds in the head of the ancient Israelites (first Temple and sooner) thru the second Temple Israelite (converts) and Gentile Christian converts. It's a shame Allie never had him on, he was Biblically and historically brilliant. But she's reformed and Heiser wasn't.
For me he was extremely difficult to follow . I know he had some very valuable things to say but I could not process the things he spoke of.
I’m not sure I agree with the take about Jane Austen. Her main characters are often opposing the societal norms of what is expected of being a woman and gender norms (Emma, Elizabeth Bennett, etc.) the suffragettes also carried a banner of Austen. Not disagreeing with your overall sentiment - just definitely flagged the Austen comment as a hot hot take.
Like many authors, she had her own motives. I love her writing, but there is an agenda there, too.
I'm from a working class city and I exhausted myself trying to explain to working class females that the feminist movement was NOT FOR YOU. It was never for women who have JOBS, only for women who have CAREERS.
The feminist movement is specifically for white middle class women and up
@@ifeifesi Exactly, and the working class girls get stuck with the bill, metaphorically speaking.
So true. Imagine being a raging feminist just to clock in as a grocery cashier (not that there is anything wrong with having that as a part time job), but it truly is the reality of most women who think they don’t need men and can be a “girl boss” when those women are the exception to the rule and not the rule. Women being traditional wives and homemakers is very admirable in and of itself and part of our natural design.
- now ask the question, after that of my previous comment :Could this be one of the reasons for the now gender confusion (?)
Okay…religions are man made and all religions come up with their own ideas of what the Bible says. The most important thing is our relationship with God (not on our own terms) but I don’t feel like organized religion is wonderful because it still has a man behind it. I go to church but you have to watch and make sure where you are going is really loving God and teaching scripture. And I 100% love men and do not have a problem with men and I’m NOT a feminist.
Reading the OT will change your mind on that. God sure created a very organized, ritualistic process for the Jews of the OT. So…I don’t think you really understand what religion means even though he thoroughly explained it.
Do you think Christianity is bad because it has a man (Jesus) behind it too?
Omg the beginning! Just say you're Catholic allready 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol exactly what I was thinking 😂
With regard to birth control for protestants, i can remember in the 80s and 90s at least, that we thought it was irresponsible financially and/or physically to not use birth control! I think when the pill and other forms were "invented" or introduced into the world, we thought it was God's gift to us or something! It's so sad to me to now that we even had that thinking! Many of us would have had larger more fun, abundant families! But I would like to know when/how birth control originated in the protestant church.
It's called protestantism for a reason. Protesting the truth of Scripture and Tradition.
I believe that started with “The Seventh Lambeth Conference” in 1930, by the Anglican church.
I grew up as one of two kids in a Protestant pastor's home. It was everywhere in our "conservative" Christian circle: families of 3, 4, MAYBE 5 if you're feelin' crazy. Now I'm a traditional Catholic and I see what a ripoff that is. No one bats an eye in our community if you've got 5, 6, 7, 8 kids. I know a guy who is one of 14.
A lot of blanket judgment here
As it should and I trust that women’s right to vote will be revoked.
I like him.
Apostles have infallible views
Church fathers did not
How bout 6 thousand years of God’s people who by faith hoped in the promises
Only the Word of God is infallible, not the “apostles.”
Who else is here to laugh at the comments of feminists? 😂😂😂😂
Jesus spoke against the Pharisees because they put their man-made laws over gods laws. We cannot let religion rules supersede over God’s rules. We must read the scriptures and use only the scriptures for ourselves
Christianity is Definitely a relationship definitely not a religion. That Pastor is spot on when he says it’s not a religion. People non believers view Christianity as a religion, in other words, “do this do that just like Catholicism = religion. I can say this out of an experience I had with the Lord when I was a new believer . I attended a Catholic Church with my friend to honor him because he had invited me. As I sat in the pew, I began to softly cry. My spirit was soo Sad! I asked the Lord, “why am I crying”? The Lord spoke to my spirit, he said,” this breaks my heart”. The Lord was referring to their practices/religion/rituals. What an incredible experience that was for me as a new believer.
A lot of Christians portray Christianity as a religion, a religious thing. It is a relationship. It is a relationship with the Lord Jesus and father God, and Holy Spirit. In fact, I’ve learned as the Lord showed me there are different relationships. He wants me to have a father daughter, relationship with him as my father and Jesus as my love/bride groom and friend. it is absolutely amazing how much the father will show you when you’re in his presence, meaning sitting there and your prayer closet waiting on him.💞💞🙏🏻 Father
James 1:27 "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." The word religion in it's Biblical usage and languages is neither positive nor negative. That popular phrase that it's a relationship not a religion is only about 50 years old.
Catholic "rituals "? They are Christians. They are not pagans.
You don't have to do anything other than believe, no standards, no responsibilities = Protestantism
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- the theologians and / or scribes, misinterpreted and misreferenced away, that of the morning stars and/or the stars of heaven ,in which were that of female, and also, as that in the image woman was created and made