Others: Oh woah! YOU USED A 9TH CIRCLE MAGIC AT 15??!! YOU ARE A GENIUS!!! LOTM: Oh this book looks cool. *accidentally read something that is beyond your sequence is capable of handling and go mad*
You: Oh wow what is this weird island we discovered? _You've been corrupted by the Great Old One. Nothing drastic happened to you, but your fate is already influenced to slowly move to a certain direction_
one of the most annoying aspects in most fantasy novels is that all kinds of idiots can get their hands on power or op artifacts without problem while in lotm the power system filters out the those idiots from smart individuals, for exemple even the weakest sealed artifact/mystical artifact has side effects which can still cost your life if you aren't carefull one of the main reasons I love this series
You also have to remember most sealed artifact atleast the good one came to be after looting a corpse even then only someone from the paragon pathway can actively make them
dont foret other villains - early ones - - old horny trans leady, - dude that got killed by university profesor, - pregnant single mother - old circus guy that couldnt handle rapbattle and dyead out of headeake - smoking lady ...
I agree the author of Tensura really doesn't know how to make fights. Like rimuru learns something but NEVER uses it again. Also the potential of skills is not shown to the maximum. I haven't read LOTM but from what i have heard, it ranks far higher than Tensura(even though tensura is my favorite LN)
One aspect of the power system that I love in LOTM is that there are required resources to power up and its finite. I'm not a fan at what happened later in Tensura when the MC was able to obtain a shit ton of human souls that he can use to power up several of his subordinates into True Demon Lord.
I think the key to a great power system is how seamlessly integrated it is with the rest of the world. The less it feels like a power system and more like another aspect of the world building!/lore, the more alive and natural it comes across. To the point where if you were to remove it, the world itself would fall apart. Akin to removing the laws of physics in our world.
@@LNhistorian Really 😮💨 thought I was the only one who drop, around 120 but I'm start reading it again because fy >> klein in writing from what I heard
This is completely out off topic but, does anyone have PTSD from monocles? Or am I the only one? Like, I see someone wearing a monocle and my face just turns: 😭💀🧐. Pdt: I'm glad the emoji has it on the wrong side honestly
As someone that is a fan of lotm, tensura, and tbate and is familiar with orv and mushoku tensei (I really tried but they're not for me), as a standalone I praise their magic systems especially tensura but when you put them side by side like this... Yep lotm is on another level
might be just my opinion but if power system is so complex that the author himself cant use it in the fights then its not that good, while it is extremely detailed as you said i never found much appeal in it, again just my opinion. orv>tbate>tensura>mushoku tensei imo (havent read lotm, yet, so cant say, though its probably better considering the things i have heard about it). Also about the plot bs thing you said about orv, not every story has to have complete realistic execution to be good. It is more of a dramatic/cinematic styled novel, and that just might not be for you. I personally enjoyed it though.
Sammmeee Orv's power system might be unique, but that is not it's best weapon, it is how the story is written, how everything just seamlessly work, with seriously great, and emotional scenes
It's complex, bc many things are planned out so there are limits to what the characters can do and can't do. I personally rate Lotm's power system higher than Orv's. I don't want to take out the enjoyment of uncovering mysteries so I won't spoil too much abt lotm. Lotm power system does well in: 1. Consistency. The gained powers aren't just used for a limited time and forgotten. 2. Clear distinction of power levels. Orv lacks this. Most of the time, constellations are restricted by probability. By the time we get to see Constellation do things, mc is near their level, they don't feel much different from 'normal'. 3. Weapons/items. Dokja like only uses the dokaebi shop a limited amount of times. That it almost feels insignificant other than using it to survive being stuck in monster gut. Weapons/items are extra skills in lotm, consistently mentioned, traded and planned. 4. Limitations. Almost everyone in orv has different powers. Anyone can get any powers. Almost no one has the same powers except bookmark or veryyy limited mentions. 5. Power System Rule(s). Rule of Probability is pretty vague in orv. That's all I can say without spoilers. Lotm is known for worldbuilding so the power system is good. Orv is known for character dynamics/bonds and its ending.
@@ellos_ write something after reading it bro i can tell you when they use their abilities in such creative ways your mind would be blown by how good it is and mc always prepares for the fight when he can and doesn't just butt in like I am better I don't need a plan
I know that the channel name should be a dead giveaway but this is like the 4th video i watch from this guy and he only puts lord of the mysteries as number 1.
I don't agree with tensura due to the fact the ultimate skills can be countered with only ultimate skills it takes away the possibility of normal people that don't have any ultimate skills being only fodder... And with rimuru at top creating the god seris its just one sided with who gets the power next becoming stronger nothing fair in it which for me is a good power scale
What is the premise of Lotm? I’m like 20 chapters in and incredibly bored because nothing engaging has happened and I’m wondering if people are overrating it by saying it is peak fiction, I’ve heard people say comparing orv to lotm isn’t fair to orv and I loved orv
LOTM isn’t a fast paced action light novel like Orv. It is a slow paced mystery novel akin to normal fantasy books. Its prose and writing style is very similar to Brandon Sanderson. If you aren’t experienced reading many normal books, LOTM will certainly be a challenge, especially if you are used to very fast paced books like orv. Yes, LOTM far exceeds Orv in writing, once you have finished LOTM 1, you will look back and agree with me. What I suggest you do is continue the book to end of vol 1, if you still don’t like it, LOTM isn’t for you.
How do you not get the premise yet 20 chapters is like where Klein has his first encounter with the nighthawks? And in the first 5-10 chapters we get the tarot club as well as Klein's main goal
@kleinisdaddy oh I see, I guess it having a power system fooled me( get it? Fool-ed). I thought they would be using the power system to fight against something
First-Second volumes are like detective mystery horror genre. The fight part would be a mainstream once you hit volume 3+ which becoming horror mystery action fantasy genre. Don't expect mc to fight nonstop in first volume.
Just started reading this today and wanted to know if I should be reading the light novel or webtoon, and when is the power system introduced, and what is a beyonder they keep talking about them and the site I’m using to read it cut the part where they explained it I think
Read the web novel, definitely the web novel It's a tad bit slow in the beginning,but it's gonna get better It officially starts after klien Becomes a nighthawk
light novel is far better the webtoon is not worth it, they explain beyonders later, but its basically someone who have powers, or drank a potion that made the go beyond the normal human ability or limit, "beyonder"
@@adronrana2890because the majority of anime watchers aren't reading novels. So they or we tend to base the rankings in anime only. Also, so many of the top ranking novels, manhwa and manhua aren't adapted. Also before I read novels, HxH power system is one of the best that I know of.
I do agree with your take on LOTM, Jobless reincarnation, and TBATE. They are adeqately placed but I honestly think Tensura's power system is definately much much worse than ORV's atleast ORV does not retcon anything.
question, have you tried reading supreme magus, i quite like the power system on that one, tbh i despise novels that use game systems as their power systems, the act of leveling up in it self alreayd makes me quit most novels, its just a authors crutch cus they are not creative enough
@@isaac15752 he repeatedly use lith 3 sides to fuse them at every level then thet manifist again and then he try to fuse them again and every time he learn origin flames he wasted a lot of chapters to make him learn from vultak again this story shouldn't be that long
Alright this doesn't really have anything to do with the powerscaling of LOTM but I just finished LOTM recently and had to share how much I love the ending Having Klein's character feeling actually complete, truly become a powerful beyonder in secret, "Mr. Fool", I was a bit confused how there were still 15 chapters left. However, after I read further into the story, Klein starts wrapping things up. He went to the Theater with his family, helped the allies that assisted him along the way, and helped the people in the City of Silver. I thought this was sort of the Epilogue, and I was really happy with this, but Cuttlefish just took the extra mile. A few chapters later, after what I would have thought was the ending, the longest time skip of the series happened. Then we're given a massive reveal. We find out the Seer Pathway doesn't actually increase lifetime. Then we see Klein, who's now an old man. Having had a conclusion to his story, we're happy to see where how far he's come, yet sad to see his life coming to an end. Now, this would be the end of the story, but Cuttlefish once again goes the extra mile, giving us what I feel like is TRUE closure for this incredible story. We're given the perspective of Dunn, Klein's Captain throughout the story. Having saved Klein multiple times throughout the story, long with his allies. For example, saving Neil from losing control by helping him move on from his dead wife. Saving ALL of Tingen by courageously using the sealed artifact to defeat the evil god's spawn. The readers are then told that after becoming an Angel of the Evernight pathway, Dunn practically stopped aging. We're given that sweet moment of finding out that yeah, he and Daly finally got together(all thanks to Klein). When reading this I thought we'd be given the ending of every character of the series, but Cuttlefish surprises us once again. Dunn is brought above the gray fog, a complete surprise, but I was thinking that maybe Klein was saying goodbye. Instead the readers aren't told what happened during that conversation, but were described how a determined Dunn looked when he exited the gray fog. On the final chapter, we're told it's Monday. Dunn does his daily routine, he checks the clock continuously. This lead me to believe that something was going to happen, maybe a disaster? Foreshadowing for book 2? I never could have expected what happened next. Once it's 2:58, Dunn goes to his room, taking four steps counterclockwise he chants in his head "The Immortal Lord of Heaven and Earth for Blessings" "The Sky Lord of Heaven and Earth for Blessings." "The Exalted Thearch of Heaven and Earth for Blessings." "The Celestial Worthy of Heaven and Earth for Blessings." As Dunn rises through the gray fog, he remembers the first time he met Klein, how he invited him to the Nighthawks, Defeating the Spawn of the evil god, and saving Klein and himself from Ince Zangwill, when the nighthawks team worked together with the Church of the Storms, going onto the Seas, when He and Klein defeated Pirate King Nacht before advancing to Sequence 3, and finally, the last words he'll ever hear from Klein. "You asked me, what type of person do I think should rule over this mysterious world? Well... I think they should be Guardians, but also miserable wretches who are constantly fighting against threats and madness. Captain. I want you to rule over this mysterious world. Like a Lord of the Mysteries!" As Dunn finds his resolve, he sits upon the seat of The Fool as he sees the 22 seats glow with crimson light, as figures start to appear in them. At the seat closest to him to his left, he hears a voice say "Good Afternoon, Mr. Fool~"
If you didn't know, the story of lotm isn't over. Man did you accidentally read fanfic after reading the ending. Seer pathway does grant immortality. All true mythical creatures are immortal, Klein is above the sequences, even at angel level he's immortal. All the things you mentioned after that, never happened. LOTM is only book 1 of the trilogy. The second book is Circle of inevitability. There's a massive amount of story left and even more secrets and mysteries to uncover.
@@Jihun-hl3nh well its spoilers Klein and sharron decide not to help him but he hid his actual plan and He gets out of the ruins with that fallen aristocrat when archbishop anthony of evernight church destroys the ruin in vol3 (i won't spoil the evil spirit's identity for now)
Book 1 has 1432 chapters. Book 2 is still ongoing and has like 900+ chapters. So it makes it more than 2000 chapters. And there's gonna be a book 3 too.
you can find it on the wiki but it is not detailed the power system in itself is simple you have 22 paths to chose from each one start from seq9 to 0 and once you pick there is no going back
@@midoan2 this is false. you can use the something something cross to remove your beyonder characteristic, eventually becoming a normal human. and there are also interchangable pathways based outer gods
@@opa8012 even if you used the sun pathway to purge the characteristic your body will still be special and will bring misfortune to you while not having any power to counter it
I Don't think you've read lotm to say this, but since I watched index, I can clearly say that lotm is better than it in every way. The power system is just combination of science and magic which you can also find in mahoka. And the story is pretty much ass except for accelarator.
Lmao not even close,Index's magic system is based on real life occult magic,not just the thelemic one,the science side's angels are FAR more complex and reality grounded too,you only watched the anime and it's ass for sure,i've read both and Toaru's just far superior,it's not even that close,if you look hard enough for traditional western fantasy novels their magic systems are the same as lotm's in terms of complexity especially the nicher old ones,meanwhile toaru's is different and unique,index's LN is far superior and the anime is just shit
@@deezidibbs9796 lotm's power system is based on mysticism not magic, and it's also similar and based on real life occult magic with certain rituals. And most of the pathways sequences can't even use magic and only use hax like control probability without the concept itself. When klein was a clown, what magic abilities did he get? Paper blades? You call that magic similar to the ones from black clover and re zero? Are you sane? And they can get many such hax powers with sequence advancing. In toaru, they too use the same magic powers like in lotm. And some science based powers are pretty much ass too except accelarator's vector manipulation and touma's rejecting hand. Well, since you're saying the anime was badly adapted, i'll check out ln and see if it's any better than mahoka's similar power system. It still wouldn't make any difference since stands are the best power system in all anime. They too combine weird magic with quantum physics level science like using mobius strip and golden ratio to defeat enemies.
@@USOGUI_BAKU As if the other espers don't have any interesting scientific phenomena based abilities lol,teleporters,mental espers and such have pretty interesting abilities,not even stands in jojo did something interesting with personal/subjective reality bs,(maybe you can say that Date a live's ln does it well like index),just schrodinger's cat stuff with the usual "it's the manifestation of the soul" thing,lotm didn't do interesting with mysticism based power first,the masadaverse and nasuverse is way ahead with it anyway.
Why did you put ORV there anyway? What type of good Power system have something like "You lose to them once so you will need to be many time stronger than them just so you WON'T LOSE again, and don't even think about defeat them." ?
First of all. The criticism for the fiction system for orv is very much still applicable to lotm. Which is just a glorified copy of dnd classes.the potion system is also heavily dependent on plot bs. Plot armor for ingredient collection is sweeped under the rag by the law of aggregation. And any battle involving divinity is resolved like children battling with their ocs. "my oc use the power of time. No you didn't! Well you're ocs dumb now bcs i said so" etc. Everything is just too vague. Like cuttlefish can't decide if he wants the power system to be soft or hard. Sure it has many pathways due to it being heavily based on the dnd classes, but all of it are the mostly just generic ability holder bs. The only creatives are pathways like hanged man and chained which has restrictions While orv also has a plot armor problem. its within the system. In a world where a story has power and everyone is an author. It's unavoidable for something to come out of nowhere. It's a meta story with a meta system. It's not about the powers, orv delivers a more profound message than lotm in every way.
Idk man the law of aggregation is not all that powerful? Otherwise it wouldn't take him 70% of first novel just to become a demigod, and he used only 1 beyonder characteristic to make marionettist potion rest all was purely ingredients which he fairly exchanged for or hunted himself, and idk if you read lord of the mysteries or king of secrets💀 coz every beyonder has to fight against madness💀 and everypower has a price, heck you can d*e just by gaining certain knowledge💀 orv might be meta powersystem but lotm powersystem is a part of the world itself
@@friendlyneighborhoodshinigami "every power has a price" Dont get me wrong i love orv and lotm equally since its the first novels i read alternatively. But isn't the price you mentioned a standard trope in a certain genre?. It's just the cultivation and mana system wearing a funny (top) hat. Also most orv fights with op characters on the level of divinity have very deep subtext and prose with clear clashing goals and motivation . While also moving the plot. While from what i remember in lotm the only action sence with that depth are the lavenus, zangwill, groselle arc, noble Justice arc, sasir and amon. The rest are just to drag Klein across the world for worldbuilding, which i love, but you know. Having too much of something isn't good
@@friendlyneighborhoodshinigami law of aggregation says all charatherics are will always find a way to converge. Which means its helped by fate=plot armor. The pseudo dead original creator is omnipresent and present in all things that especially includes raw beyonder ingredients and creatures, those things are also affected by aggregation so all beyonders are being handed necessary things to ascend. The only choice they truely make is in the death battle when meeting the same sequcence. Tell me thats not plot bs
@@lettuc3aPear again it doesn't mean that they don't gi through hell to advance and i legit haven't read a single novel or manwha with cultivation and mana where you become a mad monster closer you get to godhood, most of them make you more beautiful as you advance💀 and again no matter how "deep" anything can be reduced to simple sentences and i will apply your same logic and say the system of fables in orv is just an over-elaborated version of fear, faith and beliefs from touhou💀💀🙏
ORV is boring af. Dropped it at 285 when the novel was still getting translated only for years later, I see people yapping it everywhere as one of the best writing and I’m like wtf
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Others: Oh woah! YOU USED A 9TH CIRCLE MAGIC AT 15??!! YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!
LOTM: Oh this book looks cool. *accidentally read something that is beyond your sequence is capable of handling and go mad*
frfr the world builing of LOTM is crazy, way better than all those generic story with basic magic system
You: Oh wow what is this weird island we discovered?
_You've been corrupted by the Great Old One. Nothing drastic happened to you, but your fate is already influenced to slowly move to a certain direction_
@@ceal2137 and this is best case scenario usually they just die mysteriously or become crazy
copied from lovecraft
@@Donovan_Berserk more like inspired
one of the most annoying aspects in most fantasy novels is that all kinds of idiots can get their hands on power or op artifacts without problem
while in lotm the power system filters out the those idiots from smart individuals, for exemple even the weakest sealed artifact/mystical artifact has side effects which can still cost your life if you aren't carefull
one of the main reasons I love this series
You also have to remember most sealed artifact atleast the good one came to be after looting a corpse even then only someone from the paragon pathway can actively make them
Watch out for pregnant women! They are the scariest thing which you can encounter in Lotm universe! In lotm even man can be pregnant!!!
@@KW-tx6er yep
So you have to be Batman and the joker with God powers
It's really funny when I thought the villain of LOTM is a dude who stole a pen 😂😂
A pen that kill an Angel
And then it was was the dude who stole the pen from that guy and his monocle waring brother.
I mean... the guy who had the guy steal the pen. Is like kinda one?
@@CircleOfInevitability but he's not the main one
dont foret other villains - early ones -
- old horny trans leady,
- dude that got killed by university profesor,
- pregnant single mother
- old circus guy that couldnt handle rapbattle and dyead out of headeake
- smoking lady
...
I agree the author of Tensura really doesn't know how to make fights. Like rimuru learns something but NEVER uses it again. Also the potential of skills is not shown to the maximum. I haven't read LOTM but from what i have heard, it ranks far higher than Tensura(even though tensura is my favorite LN)
Lol, when you put LoTM there, everything else seems just too simple
I like how simple to understand the mushoku tensei power system is
One aspect of the power system that I love in LOTM is that there are required resources to power up and its finite.
I'm not a fan at what happened later in Tensura when the MC was able to obtain a shit ton of human souls that he can use to power up several of his subordinates into True Demon Lord.
I think the key to a great power system is how seamlessly integrated it is with the rest of the world. The less it feels like a power system and more like another aspect of the world building!/lore, the more alive and natural it comes across. To the point where if you were to remove it, the world itself would fall apart. Akin to removing the laws of physics in our world.
What is your favorite power systeme?
@@donself-jw4ef Lord of Mysteries' Sequence Pathways naturally. It's by far the most intriguing and sophisticated one I've encountered so far.
Will we ever get a detailed look at that lotm power system chart?
go to the lotm wiki there is a path page that summarize the names of the sequences
Lord of the mysteries basically wins against almost novel in almost every category, Peak fiction🌹🐙. Question❓ have you read reverend insanity
Only 200 chapters and then I dropped it
@@LNhistorian Really 😮💨 thought I was the only one who drop, around 120 but I'm start reading it again because fy >> klein in writing from what I heard
I hear the opposite. A lot of my friends who read RI say it’s pretty overrated. So I never actually bothered to get back to reading it 🤷♀️
@@_Dsasi_159nah, Fy> Fool
Idk both of you are giving me completely different opinions😹so I'll just read to chapter 569 to get a overview 🤷📖
lol, ORV is just too inconsistent. The fables idea is hella cool, but hard to quantify from just grades and quantity of fables
You can never go wrong with lovecraftian
Describing creatures as disgustingly possible
This is completely out off topic but, does anyone have PTSD from monocles? Or am I the only one? Like, I see someone wearing a monocle and my face just turns: 😭💀🧐.
Pdt: I'm glad the emoji has it on the wrong side honestly
thats actualy common fear in LOTM community , i am personally more triggered when somebody starts mentioning some folk traditions and rituals : )
i just completed book 1 and now i understand what people meant by monocle ptsd
@@codeimagine6824 amon is watching you from a pregnant womans baby
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@@Monocle-addict you should stop sniffing maggots
As someone that is a fan of lotm, tensura, and tbate and is familiar with orv and mushoku tensei (I really tried but they're not for me), as a standalone I praise their magic systems especially tensura but when you put them side by side like this... Yep lotm is on another level
might be just my opinion but if power system is so complex that the author himself cant use it in the fights then its not that good, while it is extremely detailed as you said i never found much appeal in it, again just my opinion. orv>tbate>tensura>mushoku tensei imo (havent read lotm, yet, so cant say, though its probably better considering the things i have heard about it).
Also about the plot bs thing you said about orv, not every story has to have complete realistic execution to be good. It is more of a dramatic/cinematic styled novel, and that just might not be for you. I personally enjoyed it though.
Ur gonna have to read LOTM to see how amazing it is.
@@LNhistorian i am planning on reading it soon, after i complete magnus chase
Sammmeee
Orv's power system might be unique, but that is not it's best weapon, it is how the story is written, how everything just seamlessly work, with seriously great, and emotional scenes
It's complex, bc many things are planned out so there are limits to what the characters can do and can't do. I personally rate Lotm's power system higher than Orv's. I don't want to take out the enjoyment of uncovering mysteries so I won't spoil too much abt lotm.
Lotm power system does well in:
1. Consistency. The gained powers aren't just used for a limited time and forgotten.
2. Clear distinction of power levels. Orv lacks this. Most of the time, constellations are restricted by probability. By the time we get to see Constellation do things, mc is near their level, they don't feel much different from 'normal'.
3. Weapons/items. Dokja like only uses the dokaebi shop a limited amount of times. That it almost feels insignificant other than using it to survive being stuck in monster gut. Weapons/items are extra skills in lotm, consistently mentioned, traded and planned.
4. Limitations. Almost everyone in orv has different powers. Anyone can get any powers. Almost no one has the same powers except bookmark or veryyy limited mentions.
5. Power System Rule(s). Rule of Probability is pretty vague in orv.
That's all I can say without spoilers. Lotm is known for worldbuilding so the power system is good. Orv is known for character dynamics/bonds and its ending.
@@ellos_ write something after reading it bro i can tell you when they use their abilities in such creative ways your mind would be blown by how good it is and mc always prepares for the fight when he can and doesn't just butt in like I am better I don't need a plan
"You all knew this was gonna happen" but it's not even close 😂
W as usual
Overall, every series has a very good and well-thought power system.
I know that the channel name should be a dead giveaway but this is like the 4th video i watch from this guy and he only puts lord of the mysteries as number 1.
And now he's only putting toaru at number 1 😂
Lotm>>>>>
I don't agree with tensura due to the fact the ultimate skills can be countered with only ultimate skills it takes away the possibility of normal people that don't have any ultimate skills being only fodder... And with rimuru at top creating the god seris its just one sided with who gets the power next becoming stronger nothing fair in it which for me is a good power scale
What is the premise of Lotm? I’m like 20 chapters in and incredibly bored because nothing engaging has happened and I’m wondering if people are overrating it by saying it is peak fiction, I’ve heard people say comparing orv to lotm isn’t fair to orv and I loved orv
LOTM isn’t a fast paced action light novel like Orv. It is a slow paced mystery novel akin to normal fantasy books. Its prose and writing style is very similar to Brandon Sanderson. If you aren’t experienced reading many normal books, LOTM will certainly be a challenge, especially if you are used to very fast paced books like orv.
Yes, LOTM far exceeds Orv in writing, once you have finished LOTM 1, you will look back and agree with me. What I suggest you do is continue the book to end of vol 1, if you still don’t like it, LOTM isn’t for you.
How do you not get the premise yet 20 chapters is like where Klein has his first encounter with the nighthawks? And in the first 5-10 chapters we get the tarot club as well as Klein's main goal
@kleinisdaddy oh I see, I guess it having a power system fooled me( get it? Fool-ed). I thought they would be using the power system to fight against something
Yes there will be a lot of action and fighting in the future. You can look through my edits and videos to see what I mean.
First-Second volumes are like detective mystery horror genre. The fight part would be a mainstream once you hit volume 3+ which becoming horror mystery action fantasy genre.
Don't expect mc to fight nonstop in first volume.
Just started reading this today and wanted to know if I should be reading the light novel or webtoon, and when is the power system introduced, and what is a beyonder they keep talking about them and the site I’m using to read it cut the part where they explained it I think
I’m taking about lotm btw
There is no official webtoon. The manhua someone made is poorly done and they left it without even completing half of volume 1. Read the novel.
Read the web novel, definitely the web novel
It's a tad bit slow in the beginning,but it's gonna get better
It officially starts after klien Becomes a nighthawk
light novel is far better the webtoon is not worth it, they explain beyonders later, but its basically someone who have powers, or drank a potion that made the go beyond the normal human ability or limit, "beyonder"
Which power system do you think is better? Lotm or Hxh
LOTM is much better. It’s not close, but I think the HxH is kinda overrated IMO.
@@LNhistorian i think the same. I still dont understand why people think like hxh power system so much
@@adronrana2890because the majority of anime watchers aren't reading novels. So they or we tend to base the rankings in anime only. Also, so many of the top ranking novels, manhwa and manhua aren't adapted.
Also before I read novels, HxH power system is one of the best that I know of.
@@LNhistorian you buggin for that i say lotm is a bit better but hxh is not far off
@@adronrana2890may be coz hxh is probably the best shounen power system, and ngl i agree most other shounen power systems are just rebranded Ki
lotms powerscaling is good and unique among these lotm wins this one and the powers in lotm is op asf as they bend laws of reality itself
this isnt about scaling but how good the power system is
@@LNhistorianIs there a power system that you believe might have the edge over that of LOTM?
@@LNhistorian yeah the power system is unique and original XD
I can’t think of one
Definitely reverend insanity, its not on the list but it has the most unique and free power system i hhave ever seen
I do agree with your take on LOTM, Jobless reincarnation, and TBATE. They are adeqately placed but I honestly think Tensura's power system is definately much much worse than ORV's atleast ORV does not retcon anything.
You probably wont see this but i havnt read lotm yet but currently my fave power system period is nen how does it compare to that for you?
I mean come on now...
Let be honest here, who TF wasn't expecting LOTM to come out on Top?😂🤣😂
Regressor's tale of cultivation power sistem is also amazing.
question, have you tried reading supreme magus, i quite like the power system on that one, tbh i despise novels that use game systems as their power systems, the act of leveling up in it self alreayd makes me quit most novels, its just a authors crutch cus they are not creative enough
supreme magus world building and power system is good it is repetitive and useless storylines that bore me
@@midoan2 havent seen a storyline in supreme magus that ended up useless, the only downside is the size of the arcs being too big
@@isaac15752 he repeatedly use lith 3 sides to fuse them at every level then thet manifist again and then he try to fuse them again and every time he learn origin flames he wasted a lot of chapters to make him learn from vultak again this story shouldn't be that long
@@midoan2 again, those are not useless, just too long, which is the point i made firstly
2 of these don't have power systems. They just have power level
Alright this doesn't really have anything to do with the powerscaling of LOTM but I just finished LOTM recently and had to share how much I love the ending
Having Klein's character feeling actually complete, truly become a powerful beyonder in secret, "Mr. Fool", I was a bit confused how there were still 15 chapters left. However, after I read further into the story, Klein starts wrapping things up. He went to the Theater with his family, helped the allies that assisted him along the way, and helped the people in the City of Silver. I thought this was sort of the Epilogue, and I was really happy with this, but Cuttlefish just took the extra mile.
A few chapters later, after what I would have thought was the ending, the longest time skip of the series happened. Then we're given a massive reveal. We find out the Seer Pathway doesn't actually increase lifetime. Then we see Klein, who's now an old man. Having had a conclusion to his story, we're happy to see where how far he's come, yet sad to see his life coming to an end. Now, this would be the end of the story, but Cuttlefish once again goes the extra mile, giving us what I feel like is TRUE closure for this incredible story.
We're given the perspective of Dunn, Klein's Captain throughout the story. Having saved Klein multiple times throughout the story, long with his allies. For example, saving Neil from losing control by helping him move on from his dead wife. Saving ALL of Tingen by courageously using the sealed artifact to defeat the evil god's spawn. The readers are then told that after becoming an Angel of the Evernight pathway, Dunn practically stopped aging. We're given that sweet moment of finding out that yeah, he and Daly finally got together(all thanks to Klein). When reading this I thought we'd be given the ending of every character of the series, but Cuttlefish surprises us once again.
Dunn is brought above the gray fog, a complete surprise, but I was thinking that maybe Klein was saying goodbye. Instead the readers aren't told what happened during that conversation, but were described how a determined Dunn looked when he exited the gray fog.
On the final chapter, we're told it's Monday. Dunn does his daily routine, he checks the clock continuously. This lead me to believe that something was going to happen, maybe a disaster? Foreshadowing for book 2? I never could have expected what happened next.
Once it's 2:58, Dunn goes to his room, taking four steps counterclockwise he chants in his head
"The Immortal Lord of Heaven and Earth for Blessings"
"The Sky Lord of Heaven and Earth for Blessings."
"The Exalted Thearch of Heaven and Earth for Blessings."
"The Celestial Worthy of Heaven and Earth for Blessings."
As Dunn rises through the gray fog, he remembers the first time he met Klein, how he invited him to the Nighthawks, Defeating the Spawn of the evil god, and saving Klein and himself from Ince Zangwill, when the nighthawks team worked together with the Church of the Storms, going onto the Seas, when He and Klein defeated Pirate King Nacht before advancing to Sequence 3, and finally, the last words he'll ever hear from Klein.
"You asked me, what type of person do I think should rule over this mysterious world? Well... I think they should be Guardians, but also miserable wretches who are constantly fighting against threats and madness. Captain. I want you to rule over this mysterious world. Like a Lord of the Mysteries!"
As Dunn finds his resolve, he sits upon the seat of The Fool as he sees the 22 seats glow with crimson light, as figures start to appear in them. At the seat closest to him to his left, he hears a voice say "Good Afternoon, Mr. Fool~"
Questions way are your comments off in your edits
the copium is strong in you
Ah yes, indeed a good ending.
Idk what kind of weed you had but I want it
If you didn't know, the story of lotm isn't over. Man did you accidentally read fanfic after reading the ending. Seer pathway does grant immortality. All true mythical creatures are immortal, Klein is above the sequences, even at angel level he's immortal. All the things you mentioned after that, never happened. LOTM is only book 1 of the trilogy. The second book is Circle of inevitability. There's a massive amount of story left and even more secrets and mysteries to uncover.
Guys just wondering what happens to the monster thing stuck in the building that used to belong I think was the pound family?
In lotm? The evil spirit in underground ruins that was introduced in volume2?
@@friendlyneighborhoodshinigami yeah
@@Jihun-hl3nh well its spoilers
Klein and sharron decide not to help him but he hid his actual plan and He gets out of the ruins with that fallen aristocrat when archbishop anthony of evernight church destroys the ruin in vol3 (i won't spoil the evil spirit's identity for now)
@@friendlyneighborhoodshinigami oh ok
@@Jihun-hl3nh spoiler it's
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Trash of thé count's family IS so good
yah the story is great but the power system is basic as hell
2000 chapter in LOTM?
I see less then 1500... Or you adding the new series it sequel
Book 1 has 1432 chapters. Book 2 is still ongoing and has like 900+ chapters. So it makes it more than 2000 chapters. And there's gonna be a book 3 too.
The real question is: why is lotm here? It's obviously the winner, so why was it here?
Why am i hearing abot LOTM just now?!
Can I get the link to that power chart
you can find it on the wiki but it is not detailed the power system in itself is simple you have 22 paths to chose from each one start from seq9 to 0 and once you pick there is no going back
@@midoan2 this is false. you can use the something something cross to remove your beyonder characteristic, eventually becoming a normal human. and there are also interchangable pathways based outer gods
@@opa8012 even if you used the sun pathway to purge the characteristic your body will still be special and will bring misfortune to you while not having any power to counter it
Wth is lotm abt? I been getting recommendations abt it for the past 2 weeks or so alr
Victorian age Lovecraftian style with a spin of isekai the isekai part is almost useless it is mystery fiction in its core
@@midoan2plus a sprinkle of scp
@@friendlyneighborhoodshinigami and some monocles and pregnant women
If only you knew Reverend Insanity
Are these all related!?!?!?
Lotm still got nothing on Toaru tho,even world building index outclasses
I Don't think you've read lotm to say this, but since I watched index, I can clearly say that lotm is better than it in every way. The power system is just combination of science and magic which you can also find in mahoka. And the story is pretty much ass except for accelarator.
Lmao not even close,Index's magic system is based on real life occult magic,not just the thelemic one,the science side's angels are FAR more complex and reality grounded too,you only watched the anime and it's ass for sure,i've read both and Toaru's just far superior,it's not even that close,if you look hard enough for traditional western fantasy novels their magic systems are the same as lotm's in terms of complexity especially the nicher old ones,meanwhile toaru's is different and unique,index's LN is far superior and the anime is just shit
@@deezidibbs9796 lotm's power system is based on mysticism not magic, and it's also similar and based on real life occult magic with certain rituals. And most of the pathways sequences can't even use magic and only use hax like control probability without the concept itself. When klein was a clown, what magic abilities did he get? Paper blades? You call that magic similar to the ones from black clover and re zero? Are you sane? And they can get many such hax powers with sequence advancing. In toaru, they too use the same magic powers like in lotm. And some science based powers are pretty much ass too except accelarator's vector manipulation and touma's rejecting hand. Well, since you're saying the anime was badly adapted, i'll check out ln and see if it's any better than mahoka's similar power system. It still wouldn't make any difference since stands are the best power system in all anime. They too combine weird magic with quantum physics level science like using mobius strip and golden ratio to defeat enemies.
@@USOGUI_BAKU As if the other espers don't have any interesting scientific phenomena based abilities lol,teleporters,mental espers and such have pretty interesting abilities,not even stands in jojo did something interesting with personal/subjective reality bs,(maybe you can say that Date a live's ln does it well like index),just schrodinger's cat stuff with the usual "it's the manifestation of the soul" thing,lotm didn't do interesting with mysticism based power first,the masadaverse and nasuverse is way ahead with it anyway.
@@deezidibbs9796 Now I know how dumb you are 💀
Why did you put ORV there anyway? What type of good Power system have something like "You lose to them once so you will need to be many time stronger than them just so you WON'T LOSE again, and don't even think about defeat them." ?
First of all. The criticism for the fiction system for orv is very much still applicable to lotm. Which is just a glorified copy of dnd classes.the potion system is also heavily dependent on plot bs. Plot armor for ingredient collection is sweeped under the rag by the law of aggregation. And any battle involving divinity is resolved like children battling with their ocs. "my oc use the power of time. No you didn't! Well you're ocs dumb now bcs i said so" etc. Everything is just too vague. Like cuttlefish can't decide if he wants the power system to be soft or hard. Sure it has many pathways due to it being heavily based on the dnd classes, but all of it are the mostly just generic ability holder bs. The only creatives are pathways like hanged man and chained which has restrictions
While orv also has a plot armor problem. its within the system. In a world where a story has power and everyone is an author. It's unavoidable for something to come out of nowhere. It's a meta story with a meta system. It's not about the powers, orv delivers a more profound message than lotm in every way.
Idk man the law of aggregation is not all that powerful? Otherwise it wouldn't take him 70% of first novel just to become a demigod, and he used only 1 beyonder characteristic to make marionettist potion rest all was purely ingredients which he fairly exchanged for or hunted himself, and idk if you read lord of the mysteries or king of secrets💀 coz every beyonder has to fight against madness💀 and everypower has a price, heck you can d*e just by gaining certain knowledge💀 orv might be meta powersystem but lotm powersystem is a part of the world itself
And by your logic every fight in orv can also be reduced to few simple sentences💀
@@friendlyneighborhoodshinigami "every power has a price"
Dont get me wrong i love orv and lotm equally since its the first novels i read alternatively. But isn't the price you mentioned a standard trope in a certain genre?. It's just the cultivation and mana system wearing a funny (top) hat.
Also most orv fights with op characters on the level of divinity have very deep subtext and prose with clear clashing goals and motivation . While also moving the plot.
While from what i remember in lotm the only action sence with that depth are the lavenus, zangwill, groselle arc, noble Justice arc, sasir and amon. The rest are just to drag Klein across the world for worldbuilding, which i love, but you know. Having too much of something isn't good
@@friendlyneighborhoodshinigami law of aggregation says all charatherics are will always find a way to converge. Which means its helped by fate=plot armor. The pseudo dead original creator is omnipresent and present in all things that especially includes raw beyonder ingredients and creatures, those things are also affected by aggregation so all beyonders are being handed necessary things to ascend. The only choice they truely make is in the death battle when meeting the same sequcence. Tell me thats not plot bs
@@lettuc3aPear again it doesn't mean that they don't gi through hell to advance and i legit haven't read a single novel or manwha with cultivation and mana where you become a mad monster closer you get to godhood, most of them make you more beautiful as you advance💀 and again no matter how "deep" anything can be reduced to simple sentences and i will apply your same logic and say the system of fables in orv is just an over-elaborated version of fear, faith and beliefs from touhou💀💀🙏
Im sorry but tensura, mushoku and tbate systems are all just typical fantasy rpg system bs..the only unique and good ones are orv and lotm
Why is black clover not here
Why should it be here 💀
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sounds like world of darkness.
MT>ORV=TENSURA
POWER SYSTEM
Lotm>tensura>Orv>Tbate>Mushoku
in my opinion
TOG IS BETTER
ORV is boring af. Dropped it at 285 when the novel was still getting translated only for years later, I see people yapping it everywhere as one of the best writing and I’m like wtf
I had been enjoying ORV till I read LOTM 💀💀💀 and I don’t go back to ORV anymore.
eh HxH better
Kid 😂