Matthews Grant - Does God’s Knowledge Quash Free Will?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- How can God's perfect knowledge not eliminate free will? Since God-to-be-God can never be wrong and knows everything, including propositions about future events, how can those propositions about future events, which God knows now, not come to pass in the actual future? Hence, if we cannot do otherwise than what God knew prior, how can we have free will?
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The comments here manifest that this discussion is much too advanced at least for anyone following this channel. I very much appreciate this concise summation of Grants’ recent monograph on the topic, as a fellow philosopher writing on the same topics. For the general listener to be able to begin understanding what’s being discussed here, he would need to have already much familiarity with Aristotelian, Thomistic, and analytic philosophy, which very few have the time and talent to pursue successfully.
Without God nothing could exist so he's a necessary condition for free action. The reason action is free is because he makes/is making us as the kind of things that act freely.
You might see aquinas say God moves our free will, but the word move there means actualizes our being and ability to act at all.
Excellent summary
I describe it as "God underwrites our existence", but he does not cause us to act as we do in our moral agency, at least not typically, he's of course free to do so if he sees fit, bur such determinations do not factor into that which we are judged for.
Preface: just because you don’t understand his narrative, doesn’t make it a word salad.
How is this getting closer to truth, this seems very far from it?
They are posting this knowing that we know damn well that this argument is ridiculous. They aren’t going to put that in the title, but they are showing us how this argument doesn’t get us any closer to truth.
@@onace8863nah his argument is internally consistent and has a whole book dedicated to it.
A comment section filled with atheists who can't distinguish between their own incredulity and an actual argument.
an argument based in delusion.
This is an argument ad hominem. How ironic.
this is the only one where I truly got the impression the host completely didn't care what crazy dude was saying :)
I got the impression, rather, that he had no clue what was being said.
God is a MYSTERY
AKA does not exist.
Matthews Grant differentiates between God 'determining' a person's actions and God 'causing' their actions. He defines quite clearly what he means by God 'determining' the actions but he doesn't then define what he means by God 'causing' the actions. Matthews, if you are reading this, please can you clarify?
See Dr Grant’s recent appearance on the channel Philosophy for the People by Pat Flynn and Jim Madden
How do you hold true two mutually exclusive beliefs??? You talk around and around confusing everyone (including yourself)
It didn't take long for the guy to invoke "in my view" premise arguing about a priori unfalsifiable theory. The argument is therefore not sound. It's not even valid.
By that logic, the same goes for your comment. Just sayin lol
@@soldieroftruth77 That's exactly right. As I already mentioned, this an unfalsifiable subject. There's no point in even trying to prove or disprove anything about it.
For atheists, I agree with you. But for those who already accept the premise of a higher power it’s worth considering because we should all wonder how much responsibility we need to take in any given situation.
@@soldieroftruth77 Truth might turn out being even stranger than fiction)
Klin-Klin Indeed sir
What....??? Causes but doesn't determine? How can God not know the future results of his power? What the hell??
God creates within creatures power to act, and creatures use this power. God causing our act is our use of his power to bring about our actions. So God decrees by virtue of his knowing that we would use our free will in that way
So what your saying is 4+4=3472
Yo am I trippin or was that just word salad.. I was WILD confused 😁
Oh Jeebus! This guy is hardcore cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Just trying to find a few scraps of logic in this nonsense has fried my brain.
This it the third one of these I have watched and It all sounds like bologna.
that is because you really have to understand the terminology of Classical Theology. All the terms make perfect sense and are logical, but you have to know terms like "logically prior" vs "Prior" sufficient, necessary, existence, volition...
His argument is sound but it all hinges on his definition of what is required for an act to be determined by God. 6:00 starts this part. 2 conditions.. to refute his argument you need to prove why these two conditions are not the best way to frame the logical requirements for God determining an act.
What does logically sufficient mean?
It means that where it exists, its effect must exist. This is different from a necessary condition. So for example, look at the statement: "if John is in the room, then the light is on"
The light being on is a necessary condition for John being in the room, but just because the light is on, doesn't always mean John is in the room. But John being in the room always means that the light is on, so John is a sufficient condition for the light being on
but God's foreknowledge is logically sufficient for the act to conform to it and is prior to the act, so human acts cannot have libertarian freedom
In the end it cd be well be that NoOne will ever find out anything about anything .
The world took 4.5 billion years to be here.then 7.2 millions to be what we are.then 10000 years to belive in big daddy God.😱😰🌚???
Liars believe in all kinds of lies that were taught to them during this temporary generation of Life that was created in the thoughts of our Creator.
Um, ..... no
Super BS
People talking about God are funny. But God doesn't care.
absolute nonsense.
So many sore comments here. Mostly just assertions without reasons.
First
Totally pointless as there is no god everywhere! God is all fiction!
Sigh, his argument is really nonsensical. He’s really trying hard to merge two diametrically differing views, and he’s failing.
The problem is moral. If people do immoral things, and we have no free will to choose not to, then it can be laid at the feet of god that we did that immoral act. That’s not acceptable in the western religious sense. Therefore, we must have free will so that our immoral acts are of our own will, and do not come from god. That is acceptable in the western religious sense.
But god is omniscient, so free will isn’t possible. I presented an argument in another interview in this series.
Cope
Once you understand that God and it's voice is very similar to the AI and voices that our Creator had humans build with their human hands, then you will understand how us created men in God learn how to navigate around in the fake worlds they observe. Each created man in the world they wake up in are programmed with information ( such as the info that gives them a personality ) that will lead them to whatever it is they become in the world. If you're programmed to become a good gardener for example, you will be fed information as you grow up that attracts you to plants and how to take care of them. This is all programmed by our Creator so our Creator is in total control of how you're created and what you will become in this world. Think of yourself as a programmed AI with a voice that will learn on the go and become whatever our Creator programmed you to become.
How depressing. Glad I don't believe in your puppetmaster.
You forgot to mention that you are that voice and to send the money to you. Have you figured out how much money that you con off people yet? I've been asking for years now.
@@Raydensheraj You will hear the voice of God in the next generation because it will be the only way you will learn the new language that coincides with all the new visible images you will be observing with your eternal partner. Then you will believe that there is a Creator of you and your experiences.
@@BradHolkesvig Wow - so he told you this? Man, u must be special? Is your name Moses, Jesus or Muhammed? These middle Eastern guys made similar shit up.
@@tomjackson7755 Hahaha... Yeah. We all know God NEEDZZZZ ( smeagol voice ) your monaaaayyy.