Read it from Reddit: Candid Responses to Critics
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- This is bonus content that was previously only available in person at the 2022 FAIR Conference. Panel members were Brian Hales, Mike Ash, Sarah Allen, and Cassandra Hedelius. Scott Gordon was the moderator.
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wow, my four favorite apologists all on one panel!
A bunch of people who know little about LDS history but are presented to be lambs to the slaughter for the faults of a fraudulent religion.
Thank you Brian Hales for your work on polygamy. I think everyone interested at all in understanding that topic should read at least the short version you did.
Years ago, my brother-in-law and their family decided to leave the church. In his zeal for his new faith, he shared some of his concerns about the church with our children who were still young at the time. We didn't want to lose our close, loving, relationship with him and his family. Nor did we want him to undermine what we were teaching our children. So, we invited them over for dinner. After dinner, while our kids and theirs were playing together, we asked if we could have a serious conversation. I told them that we loved them and would do all in our power to support them in their new faith. We also promised that we would never intentionally do anything to undermine what they were trying to teach their children about God. I then asked them to make the same commitment to us. They agreed. It wasn't a difficult conversation at all. Certainly not as difficult as we had feared it might be.
I'm so glad we had that conversation. My brother-in-law kept his word. We are still close and our children have a good relationship with their cousins.
It takes effort to find the truth, some people are just not willing to put in the effort. The evidence of truth is overwhelming if you’re willing to work for it.
Agreed. Hence President Nelson's comment about "lazy learners."
Exactly. Mental gymnastics are difficult but, with enough effort and determination, you can convince yourself of anything if you really want to!
It's amazing how many in the Church have a rather fledgling, delicate testimony, to put it mildly. One so easily shook, if not shattered, by every wind of doctrine. One of the greatest blessings from having a solid testimony is freedom and rest from all that.
Hear hear. There is no substitute for revelation given through the Holy Ghost.
Interesting how easy it is to sit and judge a time and culture where things were so dramatically different than they are today. We have no clue what life was like and how hard it was to just live day-to-day back then because we have it so easy and comfortable today. My great-great-grandmother lived in Denmark and at the age of 12 her formal education ended and she was sent off to a prosperous farmer who had a dairy to work and earn money to send home to the family. She worked hard for a year or two and then earned an opportunity to help inside the farmer's house cooking and preparing meals. She did that very hard for a year or so and then was given an opportunity to work with the seamstress that made clothes for the farmers family and for other families. She learned how to sew and became a pretty accomplished seamstress and became a little more prosperous making clothes for families in that Community. By the age of 16 or so she met an LDS Missionary in Denmark who was returning to America. They fell in love and she married him and left and moved to Gunnison Utah. She then worked and scrimped and saved to send money home to her family so they could also make the trip to Utah. Times were very different then
The challenging questions have in fact not been known for a long time. I’m in my 30s and have JUST heard these facts. I also think it’s offensive to assume that I should know them and they are out there to learn about but when I do that it’s reading anti literature. This is a major gaslight.
In P&J the book and the Colin Firth miniseries version, I think Charlotte actually states that she is not romantic. She is actually pleased to be getting a nice home, and doesn't even seem to mind that she is marrying a goofy man.
So many gems in this discussion - just a very inspiring and informative conversation about difficult issues, from a faith perspective. Thank you.
Reddit is a cesspool.
Reddit needs to die
Give me a break. Did Joseph Smith marry other men's wives? There folks say, "not true." How do you explain Joseph's "interpretation" of the ancient manuscripts to come up with the Book of Abraham, which clearly turned out to be false. "The manuscripts served as an inspiration for his revelation. It wasn't a direct interpretation." This is a 40 minute "explain away" game. Totally unconvincing.
Joseph was smashing a different woman every night. Total horn dog.
One by the name of Paul Gregersen demonstrates how the Egyptologists were wrong.
On subject of 14yo brides, i know 2 ladies (grandmothers of friends) who were married at the age of 14. These were in the past 75 yrs so relatively recent
My grandmother was married a month after her 15th birthday, her mother was married at 14, her mother at 15, her mother at 16. Rural Kentucky for the win?
church is true.
...the Book is blue...
It might be because I'm LDS so forgive my ignorance, but do other belief systems have this same struggle with their history? Do catholic people leave the church because of that old old pope that did that one thing hundreds of years ago? Why does this feel like a strictly lds problem?
Not always the exact same reasons, but all churches are struggling.
@Rough Stone Rolling its just society as a whole, and I get that, but the historicity of someone's religion never seems to be an issue, except in our church. I have a testimony, and I'm not questioning the church or its claims, just trying to understand why WE seem to have a historicity problem.
@@MichaelGMoney I think it is precisely because we strive so hard for exactness. We are less comfortable with grey areas. We want everything to be simple, black or white. This mindset has some benefits, but we need to do a better job embracing complexity and ambiguity.
My Catholic friends see authority as being in the office not the person. They recognize there have been bad popes but that doesn’t change their view of their churches authority. Protestants view truth in the Bible as their authority so when a pastor commits adultery it is scandalous in their church but doesn’t hit the same way as it would if the LDS prophet were to do the same. When Latter Day Saints look at Joseph Smiths polygamy for example however, if they see it as sin it is highly problematic because he taught it was of God and the lds view is that the corruption of early Christian leaders is why there was a great apostasy and that if church leaders use their authority to excuse sin they lose their authority. D&c 121: 36-39. That I think is why lds history can be hard on an LDS testimony.
Its the number one reason for all churches to lose youth. Many just question the need for religion/God.