Thanks for watching. Give it a LIKE and remember to subscribe to know when PART 2 drops. And to be clear, no one’s claiming of collapse or hyperbolic events. But to deny that depopulation is not a systemic issue for a country the size and disjoined in its demographic makeup are being disingenuous.
I like to compare China now with Germany in the late 19th - early 20th century. Upcoming industrial power vs old power (England, France), nationalism, bad economy. Both are advancing technology and industries at faster rate than the incumbant power, despite economic problems. Very scary if not carefully managed.
Young Chinese people still aren't having many kids because they dont have sublings to help them care for their elderly parents and because the cost of living is relatively high.
While the tech thing might be a tail wind, it’s s a manufactured tail wind. Meaning heavily subsidized industries. Also their demographics are probably a lot worse than we know.
Chinese data is so bad it isn't worth all this chat. Actual numbers aren't available or kept however population and GDP numbers are probably wildly different from the ones used in this conversation.
This conversation was more productive than I had expected. It wasn't the ordinary dunking on China. Joeri brought up some points that China still is feeling a demographic "tail-wind".
But what data did that paper use? The Chinese lie hugely all the time. In part it's to save face, in part because it's a Communist country and also because the regions get allocated funds on the basis of their population. I've heard Peter Zeihan say that they've over counted their population by roughly 100 million and they're all under 40! If true, and I'm more inclined to believe Zeihan than the world's biggest liars the CCP, this means that the tailwind is completely over. Karma for 650 million forced abortions. 💀
Xi jinping is not an economist, he said. Wonder which world leader is an economist by training?? He obviously isn't aware there is such a thing called China science academy made up of the best talents in the world. Of whom a great numbers are US trained PhD from Ivy League in many science Disciplines. 😊😊😊
Part 1, part 2, part 3, no, RUclips viewers are overwhelmed now. It cannot work like that today. Sorry but I won't subscribe to a channel with this way of fonctionnement . Sorry because the content is interesting.
china can easily double baby if allow other race and religion to move in. then we become US or europe. white baby less than 50% since 2015 in US. who has bigger priblem?
Great guest, but the interviewer definitely over talks. I wish there was a bit less of the interviewer riffing, and more space for the guest. I’ve seen this a few times with the interviewer, but he gets interesting guests, so I’m torn.
China built their economy and outsource manufacturing primarily to the United States. Everything else was based on real estate that's been in a bubble for a decade, and predatory lending to the third world... Who can't afford to pay them back😂😂😂. Now the US is moving manufacturing to Mexico, and for the past 2 years Red Sea traffic has been cut in half by the houthis. China never had a system bill that would create a robust middle class. You simply cannot do that with a command economy.
If you're going to do podcasts like this, you need to either make a habit of muting yourself when you're not talking, or go back and clean up your audio files afterwards. Hearing you constantly sniffling and half blowing your nose the entire time Joeri is talking is really distracting and offputting.
The West brought China into the world economy, and the USA makes it possible for China to import oil from the Middle East, and export goods to the wider world, without the Chinese having to field a blue water navy to protect their shipping. If the West didn't want China to succeed, then they would have not been helping them build their economy for the past 40 years. It was a major win-win for China and the West. What the West wants is an open and honest China that doesn't threaten territorial expansion and oppress it's citizens, not a failing China. A failed China can destabilize the world economy, and an expansionist China could cause much worse.
@scottduncan92 China has been a super power before n didn't threaten anyone, you can find and nation colonized by China that's the prove. You can't find a coup sponsored by China that's the second and you can't find one exploited by China, China has no military base outside it's territory except in 1 in Djibouti. Can you say the same of the west?. And US in particular. US is afraid fair trade practices and a strong China or Russia will demand for fairness. Welcome to the world of BRICS
@@scottduncan92don’t expect a response from these anti western nitwits. In their 2 dimensional view everything the west does is evil and bad and everything else is good. Including China and Russia and the atrocities they are carrying out today.
China is still a threat, Putin had the same demographic problem and choose to invade Ukraine, believing that it would set up Russian defensive borders in the future!!!
It will still be a challenge to manage China’s decline from a geopolitical standpoint. Look at Russia, they’re infinitely weaker than USSR was but still causing trouble with their ill fated invasion of Ukraine.
@@theglobalgambit it's all the same mate,you all make multiple videos of the same doom and gloom of the Chinese economy,at this point I think you just do it for views
These are filler words and every language has them. They are used by humans when they are forming a thought in their head before they speak it. Glad I could help you.
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And to be clear, no one’s claiming of collapse or hyperbolic events. But to deny that depopulation is not a systemic issue for a country the size and disjoined in its demographic makeup are being disingenuous.
Get to the topic. Sifting through 5 mins and still haven’t touched the title topic. Not bothering any further.
You need interview peter zeihan on deglobalization
@@nightmark2120 I do. He was meant to be on this month but has had to postpone.
Make it a 2 hr interview bro 🙏
@@nightmark2120 oh don’t worry I’d keep going till our electricity was physically cut off 😂
I like to compare China now with Germany in the late 19th - early 20th century. Upcoming industrial power vs old power (England, France), nationalism, bad economy. Both are advancing technology and industries at faster rate than the incumbant power, despite economic problems. Very scary if not carefully managed.
Young Chinese people still aren't having many kids because they dont have sublings to help them care for their elderly parents and because the cost of living is relatively high.
Amazing crossover 👏
Two of my favorite blokes!
Joeri is brilliant. I love his channel. Great discussion, thank you.
Stats aren't there with a young person dividend. The dependency ratio has been rising since around 2010.
There may still be a demographic dividend in China, but sadly it’s plenty lost in unemployment.
Great guest
glad it was enjoyable to watch 👌
20 Lakhs population decline means: some 2000 families are vanishing on daily bais
SAIS Alumni! No wonder the quality of analysis is pretty darn good.
Much appreciated. Pity not more recognise the name.
@@theglobalgambitit’s Hopkins, folks are usually pretty surprised when you tell them there are things apart from the Medical School.
While the tech thing might be a tail wind, it’s s a manufactured tail wind. Meaning heavily subsidized industries. Also their demographics are probably a lot worse than we know.
Lol. How's this channel been for your brain? Btw the Chinese middle class is growing by almost 300 million in the next 15-20 years.
@@aachoocrony5754 sure!! Whatever you say!
@@Gaferr-r4r lmao. Enoy
@ no wumao you are the one anoy!!!!!
@@Gaferr-r4r you sound like you usually know what you're talking about it. Is that Chinese you're speaking? How is Britain doing? 😬
Do you agree with Joeri? Drop a comment!
You should have invite Gordan Chang to this podcast...
That guy knows great deal about china....
Chinese data is so bad it isn't worth all this chat. Actual numbers aren't available or kept however population and GDP numbers are probably wildly different from the ones used in this conversation.
Some researchers believe Chinese GDP is inflated by 75-100%
Oh hey I know that guy
Halfway through the video and I still don’t see any mention of anything having to do the title of the video
@@hardheadjarhead let me help you out: depopulation and macro economic inequality
This conversation was more productive than I had expected. It wasn't the ordinary dunking on China. Joeri brought up some points that China still is feeling a demographic "tail-wind".
But what data did that paper use? The Chinese lie hugely all the time. In part it's to save face, in part because it's a Communist country and also because the regions get allocated funds on the basis of their population. I've heard Peter Zeihan say that they've over counted their population by roughly 100 million and they're all under 40! If true, and I'm more inclined to believe Zeihan than the world's biggest liars the CCP, this means that the tailwind is completely over.
Karma for 650 million forced abortions. 💀
so is america
You talk too much. Need to be more concise with your words.
I loved this video until the exit music. Now I hate it
Xi jinping is not an economist, he said.
Wonder which world leader is an economist by training??
He obviously isn't aware there is such a thing called China science academy made up of the best talents in the world. Of whom a great numbers are US trained PhD from Ivy League in many science Disciplines.
😊😊😊
Mario Draghi
@ivancho5854 Mario is regional not the same level as Xi or Putin.
@@wdp7128 Mario is not regional , the EU is smaller than Russia now?
Part 1, part 2, part 3, no, RUclips viewers are overwhelmed now. It cannot work like that today. Sorry but I won't subscribe to a channel with this way of fonctionnement . Sorry because the content is interesting.
Pyotr Kurzin you should have have Peter zeihan on alone or with this guy, it should be a great podcast.
Peter was meant for nov. Sadly he’s had to postpone.
@@theglobalgambit
You obviously are not aware Peter Zeihan (and Gordon Chang) have a certain reputation of inaccurate predictions.
Uh,, just noticed? Peter Zeihan has repeatedly discussed.. for several years
china can easily double baby if allow other race and religion to move in. then we become US or europe.
white baby less than 50% since 2015 in US. who has bigger priblem?
Great guest, but the interviewer definitely over talks. I wish there was a bit less of the interviewer riffing, and more space for the guest. I’ve seen this a few times with the interviewer, but he gets interesting guests, so I’m torn.
China built their economy and outsource manufacturing primarily to the United States. Everything else was based on real estate that's been in a bubble for a decade, and predatory lending to the third world... Who can't afford to pay them back😂😂😂.
Now the US is moving manufacturing to Mexico, and for the past 2 years Red Sea traffic has been cut in half by the houthis.
China never had a system bill that would create a robust middle class. You simply cannot do that with a command economy.
Why does every sentence sound like a question? Hard on the ears.
Learn some new inflections, professional communicator.
You must be a fan of The Economist, FT and NY Times - but not real data or ground work.
If you're going to do podcasts like this, you need to either make a habit of muting yourself when you're not talking, or go back and clean up your audio files afterwards. Hearing you constantly sniffling and half blowing your nose the entire time Joeri is talking is really distracting and offputting.
When Chinese economy suffers, whole world economy is going to suffers. That would effect entire global economy.
That's why it's important to detach from this country
Waah! struggling to see others fail. It appears like Europe/ west can only make progress when others fall, its like a dwarf among the lame.
The West brought China into the world economy, and the USA makes it possible for China to import oil from the Middle East, and export goods to the wider world, without the Chinese having to field a blue water navy to protect their shipping. If the West didn't want China to succeed, then they would have not been helping them build their economy for the past 40 years. It was a major win-win for China and the West. What the West wants is an open and honest China that doesn't threaten territorial expansion and oppress it's citizens, not a failing China. A failed China can destabilize the world economy, and an expansionist China could cause much worse.
@scottduncan92 China has been a super power before n didn't threaten anyone, you can find and nation colonized by China that's the prove. You can't find a coup sponsored by China that's the second and you can't find one exploited by China, China has no military base outside it's territory except in 1 in Djibouti. Can you say the same of the west?. And US in particular. US is afraid fair trade practices and a strong China or Russia will demand for fairness. Welcome to the world of BRICS
@@scottduncan92don’t expect a response from these anti western nitwits. In their 2 dimensional view everything the west does is evil and bad and everything else is good. Including China and Russia and the atrocities they are carrying out today.
@@scottduncan92Well said!
Great news then right? China is not a threat after all? So now can we stop obsessing over China?
The guest is an Economist. He said himself that economists are not geopolitical experts, and they couldn't even predict Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
China is still a threat, Putin had the same demographic problem and choose to invade Ukraine, believing that it would set up Russian defensive borders in the future!!!
It will still be a challenge to manage China’s decline from a geopolitical standpoint. Look at Russia, they’re infinitely weaker than USSR was but still causing trouble with their ill fated invasion of Ukraine.
😂😂😂😂
Another china collapse video lmao
@@cuties5864 where’s the word collapse in the title? No ones claiming of collapse merely economic challenges. Don’t gaslight
At 2:14 you can see that the guest has a video fact-checking an actual china collapse narrative (Peter Zeihan)
Hey man it’s the wumaos job to attack critical videos!!!
@@theglobalgambit it's all the same mate,you all make multiple videos of the same doom and gloom of the Chinese economy,at this point I think you just do it for views
Always , " you know " , " um "
These are filler words and every language has them. They are used by humans when they are forming a thought in their head before they speak it. Glad I could help you.
But uk economy is also dying
Video isn’t about the uk. Try educating yourself beyond whataboutisms
UK is tiny and doesn't matter though. The USA or the entirety of the EU is more comparable to China.
@@موسى_7 lol