Watch until the end to hear what Chris and Bernardo value most in life. Main Episode with Bernardo Kastrup and Chris Langan (August 2022): ruclips.net/video/HsXxgQy4xLQ/видео.html
Is anything real... if you understand the logical progression of the spatial Dimensions if there is a fourth spatial Dimension at all then all then infinite three-dimensional spatial reality can fit into any size four dimensional object or existence... this means the entire universe that we live in is an illusion. If you want proof of a fourth spatial Dimension you need look no further than Mandela effects which I personally have experienced so i know it's real... these Mandela effects are changes in fundamental three-dimensional reality what shouldn't be possible without a fourth spatial dimension. So I'm going to explain spatial Dimensions here at zero Dimensions it is truly nothing you can fit infinite Zero Dimensional existence into any size one-dimensional existence. Just as you can fit infinite one dimensional existence into any size two dimensional existence and you can fit infinite two dimensional existence into any size three dimensional existence now all you have to do is simply follow this pattern for the force spatial Dimension and realize that our entire world is an illusion! Just embrace it have fun here enjoy the good food in the high oxygen environment of Earth enjoy the relative quietness of non Singularity state because once you go back to Singularity state it is extremely noisy!
I value Selflessism, one for all but never all for one. Doing what is best for the vast majority of existence while we're here stuck in this realm of existence is the best thing we can do minimizing needless suffering of existence is our goal and if you want to be protected by the singularity AKA God AKA The Big Bang you will represent selflessness and do what is best for all existence...
The truth is everything is a singularity and in that Singularity State everything is very loud and you don't want to be there because you don't want to be all-encompassing and completely alone because here you think you want to know all, but once you know all you want to just come here and forget.
The final comments by Bernardo and Chris are of the highest order. Thank you , Curt, for hosting the most worthwhile and thoughtful podcast on the internet.
Men of culture, we meet again! We humbly stand on the collective shoulders of Ernesto and Kris with our sights set on the far-off horizons of truth and reality.
Bernardo, I really appreciated your comments. I think it was Carl Jung who said that we not so much "solve" certain questions, but simply outgrow them (stop asking the questions in your parlance)
@rafaelgonzalez4175 Really? What will happen an hour from now (whenever you are reading this)? What happened 30,000 years ago at the exact location, date, and time where you are now?
Such a great variety of scientists, spiritualists, philosophers, psychologists, neuroscientists, and many others. It's the horn of plenty.....and it's always there for us to dive into. 💯👍👍❤️
Indeed, the field of knowledge is a bountiful cornucopia, a veritable horn of plenty for us to feast upon. We dive head first into this vast sea of knowledge, into the warm embrace of these noble scholars to eagerly suckle on their horns of knowledge. As we approach their muscular form, we see their veiny bains pulsating with the undertones of groundbreaking theories. We can't help but be entranced by the girth of their contributions. We graze upon the moistened meadows of their philosophical musings, their mustaches tickling our tender necks. Do you remember the textured ridges of well-worn pages, the inky juices that smeared upon our eager faces? Do you? Savor the salty tang of their hard-earned wisdom my fellow seeker of knowledge! Let ourselves sink in the warm, welcoming folds of academic prowess and beefy rhetoric as we hungrily lap at the honeyed words of intellectual giants. With each deep thrust of understanding, we feel ourselves growing harder, aching to absorb every last drop of their...wisdom.
"The ego exists, it's a tool, without it I wouldn't know which mouth to bring the fork. There is something there we call the ego. Now is it your subjectivity in and of itself or not? That's a valid question; I would answer that the ego is not your subjectivity, it's a certain configuration of your experiences or a narrative within your subjectivity and yes idealism ultimately is a form cosmic solipsism. And you can dip your toes in those waters and you recoil from it. I call it the vertigo of eternity. It's a place that's very hard to visit, very hard to confront, which may be a clue to why we are here....There will come a moment when you realize that your problems will dissipate not because you answered your questions, but because you no longer feel the need to ask them." ~ Bernardo Kastrup
@TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
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@TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
@TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
@@TheMikew79 @TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
The only real power - eternal power - is the love that harmonises everything and ennobles everything - in preparation - of mergence - with the heart - of the Beloved. Fare thee well.
Yeap. Partly because wise people realize that power means responsibilities for things and other people. And unless you've hit the right stage, that all brings suffering... And wise people do not want to suffer and know what causes it. The when you hit the super wise stage where you don't suffer from responsibility you get it and power .. And only use them to help others learn to end their suffering.
Yes, power is largely an illusion of control...when you get it you realize the things you control really control you. Also power implies some kind of influence on the worlds structure to support your own. But you quickly find that world becomes pretty boring if it could ever become just copies of yourself.😢
this guy is said to be the most intelligent man in the world... amazing.. his description of god is exactly the same that I came up when I was about 12.
I once had experience, which really resonates with what Bernardo is saying at around the 4:00 mark, which was sort like experiencing a glimpse of infinity which sort seemed to be suggesting that we experience our lives moment to moment from 1 perspective as a coping mechanism.
I am no one to add to Mr Langdan's discourse - - but as a student of Buddhism for a few decades - with deep immersion contact with venerated sincere altruistic teachers - his explanation of becoming unidentified as the goal and thus nullifying individual experience and the apprehension of the "God" / Supreme Level Existence - Informed Presence = is short sighted. The Buddhist teachings are very detailed about the aspects of reality - the constituant formations from elements - - the vastness of consciousness - - the infinite reflection of that perfected state "God - Buddha" - - and its iterations in non corporeal illumination "visions" and communication through disciples and contemplators. Please Take This to Heart - - The path of Buddhism is Wide Open Invitation to Extreme Love and Communion / Apprehension and Appreciation for the Intelligent Most High Principal Animating and Animated through Human Experience and Our Desire to Ascend and Transcend that Experience. Much Respect and Gratitude For This Conversation. X0
Agreed , there are other aspects of Buddhism that are not strictly concerned with the annihilation of the ego. Buddhism is a vast Canon of texts that cannot be dismissed in a few short phrases.
as described, the path of Buddhism is exactly the temptation that was laid before Eve when she and Adam got us into this state of disconnectedness from God the creator. We are not talking about a principle, rather a person, Jesus Christ. Every other philosophy and religion is just yet another emanation of falsehood of the father of lies who continues to masquerade as an angel of light.
@@mitchelldenny1966 Disconnect, dude, your delusional. If Jesus did walk this earth, he was using Buddha's Philosophy. Jesus says: "Take no thought for the morrow, what you will wear, what you will eat or drink, who of you by worrying can add a single day to his life." Does that sound familiar? I think Buddha was saying that 1000yrs before Jesus. I am not into Buddhism, but their Philosophy is light years better than any Religion. Anyone that believes in a God that needs to be praised all the time is no God of mine. The dumbest thing is when the person stands up and interprets what they said. Christianity is dumb, and fake.
@@mitchelldenny1966 agreed. God is not only a 'what' as supreme principle, highest goal; but a 'WHO' He became flesh and lived with us EMMANUEL; he walked as a mortal suffered and died, was buried - as a mortal son of man (see Daniel) but he was also the one and only begotten Son Of God!! Hence He rose FROM the dead! He is thus the Firstborn from the dead ( see Hebrews, and Paul's other letters) ascended to the Most High, there to be our Advocate and strength! I could go on & on. HALLELUJAH AMEN
Thank you Curt J, and you guests. Right on point. Good job. We Are changing the world just by thinking and talking about, which will create better experiences for everything on the planet! Excellent is upon us! Get ready for the ascension! We Are ONE Collective Consciousness! Watch us rise!
Hey Curt - Thank you for setting that up and mediating. - Being that you've already successfully established contact with Bernardo (unlike myself - not that I've tried) please do us all a favour and urge him to participate in an interview with the legendary physicist and electrical engineer Dan Winter (regarding his awesome hypothesis of; 'Non-destructive implosive charge-compression' as the unified bio-electrical definition of; Life, Self-awareness, perception (including colour) metabolism and gravity! Having studied both the works of Bernardo and Dan I just intuitively know that the exchange will be gloriously fruitful. I just feel very passionately (having seen who he has conversed with thus far) that Bernardo needs to hear Dan's exquisite and all-comprehensive theorem which (in its own way) marries beautifully with his 'dissociation from universal Mind' theorem (the apparent/imaginary 'collapse' of the 'Non-collapsing wave-function'; Awareness) - How does that sound? Can you be of any influence? Thank you Sir and warmest regards, Jack D Harrison of Norwich U.K. Feel free to use this message (for Bernardo)
Life is simple when you're sick or in pain and when you're dying. Arguments disappear, the truth is obvious, and you know or hope there is a loving God who'll help.
@7:25 really excellent narrative on 'divine purpose' I appreciated the insightful description of 'reinforcing reality' as having a determined desire to unfold in a certain way/path. Aka going with the flow. I think the best way to prove that aspect is to attempt to disprove it. If you think about it.. have you ever had a moment where you've tried really hard to act against 'reality's intent' get your own way, and found that no matter how hard you tried you failed and were cosmically repelled from succeeding because your intent was to veer away from the cosmically intended reality path? It's like as if you're on 'cosmic rails' on a 'path to completition' train. You can hang your head out the window and bang it on a lot of things along the way but the universe refuses to unfold in any direction except the intended. You can even switch tracks sometimes but there's always one to bring you back.
@@theostapel thank you. It’s derived from my Kurdish Zoroastrian origin, the pioneer of monotheism, which led to the beautiful Judeo-Christian civilization.
Quite a pedigree - this forms the core of yogic character and practice, too - in short - these are needed - for an enlightened human living. May you be successful in your quest and may this be shared - far and wide. Fare thee well. @@malamstafakhoshnaw6992
This is all very closely related to an epistemological understanding of a magical world view- which has always been the historically dominant view but largely is lost to us because of semantic problems. This is something that I have addressed extensively on my own channel and would be happy to engage with anyone who is interested in the topic. It’s slippery. This involves a way of thinking that is natural to us and we can’t help but do it so we may as well be good at it. Here is where I would part ways with this conversation. While consciousness is experiential, the thing that is having it is not us, and is likely unknowable to us. I find this assertion important.
I've spent the past few days debating with various people who believe we have no free will. The only reason they believe we have no free will, is because of the way in which they are defining it. They define such that it could only exist independently from everything else. As though it could only exist in a vacuum or void, and that is obviously impossible. Everything is subject to everything else, and free will is what you have once everything else is accounted for.
@@lefthookouchmcarm4520 Then explain the quantum processes in your brain? Explain why time is relative to the observer, and as far as we can tell, infinitely malleable. Explain quantum entanglement or wave particle duality.
@@lefthookouchmcarm4520 Did you delete the comment that "You" was in response to? I can't find it. I'm sorry but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, lol.
@dieselphiend I did out of slight frustration. It's meant to be sarcastic. I was really hoping to get a more precise description on "you" or "What is left" lol
Great format Curt and co. Like the short tasters and the long format interviews where you allow people to speak, a concept lost by many channels these days. 👍
Penrose & Hoffman are all wise to understand it will never be a mind model that can't account for some correlating transmission & reception. Whatever that is hasn't been identified or measured. It doesn't have to be much space but it does have to exist.
Most physicalists hope that these correlations will be found in due course, and that an understanding of quantum gravity or another fundamental theory may provide the necessary insights. The crux of the issue can be distilled down to whether there is an aspect of the information flow or chain of causal events necessary for phenomenal consciousness that escapes our perceptual bounds. Describing where it goes and by what mechanism will help us understand matter and physicality as an experiental sensorial reality. The distinction betwen mental and physical disappears.
They want to lean heavily into the human dashboard biases and String many different systems together . ts a done deal on everything being encoded on its most fundamental scales This is measured and we know this much to be a fact. What they don't like is that nature doesn't work like humans and that dualistic family traditions still trickle down into them all. You can call it materialism naturalism or whatever but its still the same ancient chaldean model cosmogony. Human can manipulate local systems on its scale in linear higherachal fashion. But nature itself doesn't work this way. I can see the beauty in it but my intuitive correlations of all 5 senses around entropy is strong plus my traditional influences are more triune.
@@attilaszekeres7435 the traditional movement doesn't like newton equations of the knowledge of good and evil to be the most flawed. They really want this deterministic evolutionary prescriptions to be magically woven into the universe and fundamental to it. up close and personal testing on the smallest scales here on earth is despised by these ( most physicist) Whats even more crazy is that 150 years ago the same movement wanted to all the smallest scales to end the great debate and be the theory of everything until they didn't the answer they wanted.
@@dadsonworldwide3238 I probably didn't understand everything you said but some of your thoughts resonate with me. I believe that there's an underlying scale-invariant principle governing the organization of physical reality, which extends beyond the scale and experimental realm of human perception. This principle is responsible for various yet to be discovered correlations between distant matter particle populations. I believe that fundamental reality is neither spatial nor physical but transcends and contains the sensory representations we recognize as the physical world.
@@attilaszekeres7435 yeah its definitely a lot more idealism going on than we credit. We just don't have things ordered or accounted for correctly. A triune of Idealism Subjective indirect lines of evidence Objective physical lines . We have good understanding of How to better categorize the Transfer of data between these but we don't mainly because it contradicts physical evolutionary deterministic liner beliefs.
Paradox lay at the heart of reality. Everything we experience is both real and unreal. If you can find two statements which should be mutually exclusive but are both equally true then you've found truth, at least that's what the view looks like from here
I have been an atheist all my life. Science was essentially my lens in to understanding reality, and reality had no god. Everything was explainable, no god was needed. The philosophy was self reinforcing. Then, something happened. Short version: My son was in a car crash in the opposite side of the world. It was his evening in Atlanta and my morning in Sydney. I had just woken and was just about to roll out of bed. I heard a female voice, very clearly in the room say that he was in trouble. Of course, I denied hearing it. "A fragment of residual dream"... but it ate at me. So I called my wife and asked her point blank "Is he ok?". She had just gotten off the phone with him and immediately told me that he was ok. He was ok, but I was not ok anymore, my mind reeled. What just occurred is impossible. It was not statistically practical to consider a coincidence. It was not an accident that I 'somehow had a feeling', I had a direct, specific, correct and timely message from 'somewhere'. Atheism and science were no longer a complete and accurate model of reality. So I delved in to YT NDE's and YT philosophy. So I started piecing together bits from Alan Watts, commonalities from religions, commonalities from NDE messages 'from the other side' and came up with a wonky model. CTMU does a much better job however. Still learning however.
@@antoniofuller2331 Yeah, I don't deny it, it happened, but as a person who only has science as 'all there is' then the most direct method for me to integrate this (for me) in to my world was to use the scientific approach. Falsification. I went through every possible aspect and recorded the events a day later with my memory still fresh. One extra thing I have never mentioned before or even really considered until now was that I had a 'feeling' about the experience. It was an experience that I somehow knew 'something is happening right now. More like, I was sharp and paying attention to both details and my own reaction to each stage of the events. I was reflecting on my experience as it happened. Something else I never mentioned before was that I actually spoke out loud during this all going on and said "I'm not buying it." as I had this feeling like it was some kind of prank. then i thought "I'm not picking up my phone and calling my wife life a crazy person", then picked up my phone and said overtly asked her if he was ok... like a crazy person. I think about this even consistently, less so recently, maybe once a week, but for the first whole year after it happened it was on my mind every day. In the end I gave the event a meaning. The meaning was that it was a trail marker for me. Pointing me in a specific direction. Since then, all this stuff just falls in my lap and I just pay attention to it. I read about the crossover between god\simulation theory, quantum wave collapse as how the simulation works or whatever. Coincidences happen a lot more, or I just pay attention to them a lot more. I started listening to an old audio book I've had for years, Illium, and guess what just pops up in the storyline? The Author describes how quantum wave collapse defines the universe and the universe is data... of course this book was from 2003. So I guess the more time goes along the more I let life show me where it's meant to go.
@nathanielacton3768 Once you cross the God Rubicon via a supernatural event, there is no turning back... Also in your story, who's voice did you hear? Was it an unknown person/being? Or your wife's?
Thank you guys for that super fascinating discussion. When I started hearing governments and educational institutions around the world say that there were more than two sexes and that humans could change from the sex they were born with, I knew I was hearing something not just false but evil. That's what made me finally look up and see what was going on
I Stopped reading philosophers and great thinkers long time ago. I couldn't keep up with the riddles. Experience is everything, and like he said I also agree, is the will to continue is what I value the most, my curious nature.
I am appreciative of the quality of discussion demonstrated in each of Curt's videos. Sorry to sink to the mundane but... does this guy have a cross pattern in grey hair on his head???
Humankind and all life exist, because energy exists. Life is natural, Humankind is from the higher intelligence that created energy. Energy does not just happen. Energy is created. Creation the higher intelligence, created energy. That energy is coherent. it is called consciousness. That energy created sub energy. That is called the subconscious. Energy is the universe. Subconscious energy is life. Humankind exists in the subconscious energy of the universe's coherent consciousness.
Bernardo FTW. Seeking the truth above all else is nothing to be ashamed of. It doesn’t matter if the truth is horrible or wonderful in perception, its what is real.
It has nothing to do with being ashamed of it. It's about realizing that it's a waste of your time. The most important thing is realizing the ways out of suffering. Looking for "the truth" or the largest or smallest things is not it. They all lead to suffering.
I had misunderstood the story and meaning behind Plato's Cave for most of my 70 years, until I just recently watched an episode of After Skool about just that... I had previously always heard about the cave allegory, but not in any detail, so I had an erroneous, preconceived notion made up in my head envisioning that it was the story of Plato himself, voluntarily entering into a dark, dreary, unstimulating cave to isolate himself from the outside experiences of the greater world. Naked, alone with nothing but his thoughts, memories, imaginings and dreams... and madness. He would have stored just enough food and water to minimally sustain his physical body for some time on his own, but could still leave brief messages or empty containers near the cave's entrance, that a friend could occasionally check on, to leave more food & water there near the entrance, only if absolutely needed for him to maintain his self isolation for longer. My imagined story continued that Plato stayed in the dark isolation of the cave for a time, whereby he had lost all concept of time itself, and was unsure of how long he had been there and at some point, made the sane conscious decision to reemerge...
Its absolutely coded gradients that we directly physically objectively measure, its absolutely in direct subjective line of evidence we can measure and then our human dashboards idealogical sensory understands . This triality is undeniable. Our human dashboard ,physical & subjectivly can manipulate local natural systems in an evolutionary manner. But nature itself can not hold such linear direction of certainty on the smallest scales or larger ones as 3 degree of motion proves we can't be precise. As far as higher human dashboard correlating communication with another feild or spiritual dimension that more eternally real than anything we know its abundantly clear at this stage. We have come to this conclusion on so many different lines of evidence over and over that its ridiculous we still have denial.
Curt, can you please ask a particular question to your future solipsist guests: can information (or consciousness) change itself? When I say change, I mean without any substrate, can information act upon itself? For example, enumerate information, match pattern, merge, calculate, etc.
Information is a measure of the reduction in uncertainty. It must be represented in the awareness of an observer to be meaningful; therefore, it has no independent existence. In this view, information represents experience-derived reduction of uncertainty in outcomes that can only exist within the context of the self/other relationship. This definition holds that information cannot change itself, though not everyone agrees with this perspective.
@@lindltailor I seem to have internal experiences, so I had to take this into account when answering your question. Or am I just tricking you? In my view, the world as we know it, including matter and energy, emerges, as a result of complexification of relational information, which is the base layer of reality. This definition of information doesn't reduce it to physical states, but rather sees it as the more fundamental building block from which the illusion of physicality arises. I personally subscribe to neutral monism, which posits that neither physical nor mental ontologies can fully explain the nature of reality. Instead, I regard physical reality as a limited sensorial representation of a wider reality.
Chris’ thoughts on Buddhism are interesting but seem strangely shallow. It would be awesome to hear him elaborate more. To my knowledge and experience, Buddhism is not at all about extricating yourself from reality. In fact, one of the main pillars of the Buddhist methodology is “see things for what they truly are”. The main pillar of Vipassana meditation is to observe things (sensations) exactly as they are, being as objective as possible in pure observation, without assigning labels or preferences. Those are just steps to start undoing the perceptive filters that in the first place dissociate us from reality. So, I would say to Chris, Buddhism is the exact opposite of what you said 🙂
@@paulaoh5306yeah! Thanks for the comment. I was also thinking: the Buddha encouraged monks to “depend” on other people’s generosity, explicitly, among other things, so they wouldn’t extricate themselves from reality, and would stay connected to society and contributing to it in a positive way.
Always searching for what is the ultimate truth for everyone. But we use words. Each person pursues a personal vision of what is the truth. All perspectives. And that is why the ultimate differentiates: to create different perspectives. Perspectives create different realities and possibilities. Perspectives are like a watercolor set. Is a watercolor true or false? Are the rules of baseball true or false? They are creations. Everyone's creation is neither true nor false. Each creation is a creation. No need to argue about who has the best answer. Everyone is right about his own watercolor. That is the reality he experiences to be true.
Personally, searching just brings suffering. The more answers I get the more I want and the more I suffer. Answers or I guess discovery is a drug. Licking the toad is actually a horrible idea.
Mr. Jaimungal, the notions of REALITY and TRUTH are different! Not all can swim into the Abyss and its not just a Nirvana place! Just keep the balance between Reality and Truth, even more the harmony of that balance and chase your dreams! The Abyss it’s not for the majority!!!
After watching this I'm extremely happy to know that many intelligent people are studying engineering, physics, and all trades. Some one needs to build the infrastructure that we all rely on to live well.
I’ve had a ton of bizarre experiences over the last 8-12 months . This Had made me course correct in a major way , and realize the power of the energy we receive and what we project out to the world is immensely important. You can be around 99 individuals that help eachother out , and 1 that is selfish . This causes the entirety of the group to move with caution and look out for themselves over time . A very sad thing that is imbedded into our culture in the states .
What Chris says about the teleological impulse to fulfill the purpose is what Aristotle meant by the term endelécheia, which means an inter-dispositional potential of fulfilling the ontological purpose. Because man is a constant becoming, through which he manifests higher potentials, such as Platonic ideas... Thank you all!! Kyriaki Athens
I agree that TRUTH is really the ONLY thing or the main thing to try to seek and observe. Maybe for me, it's because it SEEMS that so many people are always trying to bend the truth, to make themselves THINK that they're somehow doing better or appearing better. I believe they do this for on other thing that was mentioned... power. I think too many people are continually trying to "gain ground," which is a desire for some version of power. What's sad is that they use others and their relation to others to "measure" this. This is what corruption is all about. It's people who really DO get a form of power over others. Then they somehow feel not only satisfied, but justified. But, you can tell by the results, that this power struggle is NOT the TRUTH. How can you know? Because that power struggle never ends. They just want even more power. So, in my mind TRUTH is almost the opposite of power or power struggle.
Only when you notice all of reality which no one does and people be telling themselves and others the weirdests things🙂 and try to make it reality, something like universal contiousness as example🙂 If that were true and he magicly found out about it, why not share something new, the universal contiousness must know everything doesn't it?🙂
7:00 Exactly, like a matryoshka. Or simply a field within a field. Everything is energy. Energetic states that repel each other and thereby create the illusion of solidity or overlap. Decoherence. Consciousness within consciousness or mind within mind. That's the way it is. Deep down we are all machine elves.
I know the Meaning of Life? Why does it have to have meaning,. Life is not important,and possibly a grand illusion, therefore why do we struggle for answers. Life is not a personal story, it is moment to moment awareness
I got you.But I can't live this way to the end of my poor life because even if I am "happy delusional" I can get rid of my body or society. There are no people like me really. I am so f****** special INTP (MBTI TEST) that I don't know to who can I talk to be little near of my soulmate at least via internet 😢 my spine is broken(body) my psyche is full of anxiety.my mother died which was also my real real friend and helper. I feel cold inside.i have no real job I love on my father cost and only what I have is house after my father will die and some savings in papers and we try now to get those stupid rent for my health (any basic income) I don't need more money I am "happy" in this spiritual sense but I don't know how to manage this body or physical life I am alone wolf.what is my error ? Or how to get some strength or do something meaningful from this loser life? Or maybe I should go faster to afterlife(even if it not exist what you think from outside as stranger?
Empty the mind via walking, breathing in nature to your favorite music. BUT before doing that , accomplish a couple tasks that you really don't feel like doing. Do this simple math day over day with eyes and compassion open and watch your world change. I promise you with every ounce of my existence.
@@polishsandman I am sorry to hear your situation... Its impossible to objectively analyze another mind .. I therefore have no opinion, much less a solution for you.. I truly don't have any idea about anything... I have made peace with my suffering.. hope you could too...
The only way for us to actualize reality is by experiencing non identification; individuals care about themselves while non-identifying groups, care for the group. Reality is both of these perspectives. If you experience true non identification, you can view others as you, and all as god and reality, then you can actually choose once both perspectives experienced; the identifying, and the non identifying ones, what do you want to do for yourself and what do you want to do for your so called fellow individuals. Enantio dromia, tat dram asi y'all Cheers
Interesting to crystallize reality as a collective of our experiences. It prompts the question of who or what engineers the experiences & instincts we enounter or feel ?
The abstraction is more real than the material, if we are subjecting such a thing to degree. The idea always precedes the symbol which represents it. While it’s true that the concepts are more real than their composition, only the conceiver confers these realities.
When people say there are huge distances betwwen sub atomic particles, it's all relative, if you zoom out far enough it's densly packed, a wool jumper is full of holes, chemicals are full of holes and there's nothing but forces in between them. These forces hold the concept along with the actual density makes it real, there's no magical quality to it.
Mystics assert - that the truth - is within. Harmony - between heart and mind and character - certainly help - in realising - this quest. Questions and answers - merge - in the practical experience - of truth - which is then - one's Nature. Fare thee well.
'Earth 2024' is like a MMORPG game where many users (immortal spiritual beings) plug into a VR headset (erasing memories temporarily by choice) and interacting with "others" (other parts of God's whole pretending they are individual beings in order to know God better. God can't examine itself without a mirror or 'other'. We sandboxed ourselves in a lucid-dream playground until we "die".
Hah. I didn't know about the immortal thing or erasing memories... But the whole VR MMORPG thing is real. I fucking scratched my glasses last night when I was stoned (don't do that often) and was afraid that the places I keep putting them would potentially scratch them. .. I put them in the same places 90% of the time. Always afraid of scratching them. Never an issue. Get stoned and bam! But whatever, I also got to go out and dance to one of my fave music genres and got paid a huge compliment by someone for the way I moved. So I guess tis a wash. Damn vr game...don't ask for super powers in it. What you get will not be what you expected or wanted.
The ultimate 1000iq question is, what good does it do to know "most" details about the processes behind our body mind and soul? Are you a more loving person to yourself and other human beings? Are you more satisfied or are u more confused? You have less questions or more questions?
❤Bernard is Great. Agree Truth is Being a human and Love, Social, kindness ❤Religions is a divisive, Tool that has been used For Power and Greed. Buddhism is the only Faith it never used in this very important as it's a pathway to connect to your higher self ❤🙏🧠🌏🌎🌍❤☸❤
The devil on my left shoulder is competing with the other one on my right while the main one on my back whispers in my ears to look closer at what they're showing to me saying "it is not we that bring forth this experience....we are being forced to present for you the opportunity because it's the other you that has to locate those three little pigs and chase them ALL the way home if you want to 'edit' their realty.
Having survived ridiculous amounts of things I came to the conclusion I must have a purpose. I thought it slightly narcissistic but it makes sense to me. Why have I been given that blessing there has to be a reason. Hallucinogens are awesome done right with a friend of 27 yrs in nature perfect. He said while peaking don't you feel small nope connected to everything is exactly how I feel and having autism that was very profound. Had a very strange week after where I was realizing some very profound things that was very cool. I've become a big fan of hallucinogens of any kind. Lsd especially. It's a little hectic but ultimately good. Done right get it wrong and God help you. You will just know when the time is right I spent near 30 yrs scared of them then I mentioned to a friend if you can get hold of any acid, I'm in and he did 6months ago. Ideally I'd do 2 a year but it's difficult to get around here. Mushrooms are much more common. Dmt too. Not tried that yet a little worried tbh.
We cannot define “God”. We cannot define God by words, or anything else. We can only go by what we see, what we are aware of and by what we experience. We definitely are conscious observers of the world we find ourselves in and participants in it. When we turn our ‘eye’ inwards is when we ask ourselves, who am I, what is this all about in relation to me the observer, is there any other reality, other than this one. It’s a shift of vision. That we can definitely know.
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Watch until the end to hear what Chris and Bernardo value most in life.
Main Episode with Bernardo Kastrup and Chris Langan (August 2022): ruclips.net/video/HsXxgQy4xLQ/видео.html
Is anything real... if you understand the logical progression of the spatial Dimensions if there is a fourth spatial Dimension at all then all then infinite three-dimensional spatial reality can fit into any size four dimensional object or existence... this means the entire universe that we live in is an illusion. If you want proof of a fourth spatial Dimension you need look no further than Mandela effects which I personally have experienced so i know it's real... these Mandela effects are changes in fundamental three-dimensional reality what shouldn't be possible without a fourth spatial dimension. So I'm going to explain spatial Dimensions here at zero Dimensions it is truly nothing you can fit infinite Zero Dimensional existence into any size one-dimensional existence. Just as you can fit infinite one dimensional existence into any size two dimensional existence and you can fit infinite two dimensional existence into any size three dimensional existence now all you have to do is simply follow this pattern for the force spatial Dimension and realize that our entire world is an illusion! Just embrace it have fun here enjoy the good food in the high oxygen environment of Earth enjoy the relative quietness of non Singularity state because once you go back to Singularity state it is extremely noisy!
There's no dipping your toe... the moment you put your toe in it's going to consume your entire body. One cannot simply dip a toe...
I value Selflessism, one for all but never all for one. Doing what is best for the vast majority of existence while we're here stuck in this realm of existence is the best thing we can do minimizing needless suffering of existence is our goal and if you want to be protected by the singularity AKA God AKA The Big Bang you will represent selflessness and do what is best for all existence...
Your identity only exists because of a flow of energy, in Singularity state all energy is one and there is no flow...
The truth is everything is a singularity and in that Singularity State everything is very loud and you don't want to be there because you don't want to be all-encompassing and completely alone because here you think you want to know all, but once you know all you want to just come here and forget.
The final comments by Bernardo and Chris are of the highest order.
Thank you , Curt, for hosting the most worthwhile and thoughtful podcast on the internet.
Men of culture, we meet again! We humbly stand on the collective shoulders of Ernesto and Kris with our sights set on the far-off horizons of truth and reality.
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@@attilaszekeres7435 Only "men" of culture?
Chris absolutely resonates with me .
Bernardo's ontology is incomplete without accounting for the nested hierarchy of selves.
Bernardo, I really appreciated your comments. I think it was Carl Jung who said that we not so much "solve" certain questions, but simply outgrow them (stop asking the questions in your parlance)
There is not a single question that cannot go unanswered. Everything is cause and effect. Literally. I replied because of your comment.
@rafaelgonzalez4175 Really? What will happen an hour from now (whenever you are reading this)? What happened 30,000 years ago at the exact location, date, and time where you are now?
Such a great variety of scientists, spiritualists, philosophers, psychologists, neuroscientists, and many others. It's the horn of plenty.....and it's always there for us to dive into. 💯👍👍❤️
Indeed, the field of knowledge is a bountiful cornucopia, a veritable horn of plenty for us to feast upon. We dive head first into this vast sea of knowledge, into the warm embrace of these noble scholars to eagerly suckle on their horns of knowledge.
As we approach their muscular form, we see their veiny bains pulsating with the undertones of groundbreaking theories. We can't help but be entranced by the girth of their contributions. We graze upon the moistened meadows of their philosophical musings, their mustaches tickling our tender necks.
Do you remember the textured ridges of well-worn pages, the inky juices that smeared upon our eager faces? Do you? Savor the salty tang of their hard-earned wisdom my fellow seeker of knowledge!
Let ourselves sink in the warm, welcoming folds of academic prowess and beefy rhetoric as we hungrily lap at the honeyed words of intellectual giants. With each deep thrust of understanding, we feel ourselves growing harder, aching to absorb every last drop of their...wisdom.
"The ego exists, it's a tool, without it I wouldn't know which mouth to bring the fork. There is something there we call the ego. Now is it your subjectivity in and of itself or not? That's a valid question; I would answer that the ego is not your subjectivity, it's a certain configuration of your experiences or a narrative within your subjectivity and yes idealism ultimately is a form cosmic solipsism. And you can dip your toes in those waters and you recoil from it. I call it the vertigo of eternity. It's a place that's very hard to visit, very hard to confront, which may be a clue to why we are here....There will come a moment when you realize that your problems will dissipate not because you answered your questions, but because you no longer feel the need to ask them."
~ Bernardo Kastrup
@@James-ll3jbThe soul (spirit) is the subject of the person (self/ego). You make your own luck. Keyword neuroplasticity. Ship of Theseus.
@@Soma_3046 Luck is the exploitation of accidents, fresh from grace.
Love Chris's statement that something true is real, and something real is by definition true. Worth repeating that thought everyday
@TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
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@TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
@TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
@@TheMikew79 @TheMikew79 How do you know what is "real"? How do you define that? Is a cat's or a bird's reality the same as mine? An insect's? Is a blind person's reality or the reality of a person with cognitive impairments the same as everyone else's reality? Do those standing in two different places experience the same reality? Is the earth the same to someone in outer space as it is to me? Is a physicalist's view of what is real the same as that of a person who takes DMT? The word "real" is a useless one, philosophically and even scientifically speaking, at the quantum level. I can speak only to what is real for me, at a given point in time.
Power is inversely proportional to your level of wisdom. The wiser you get the more your desire for power fades away.
The only real power - eternal power - is the love that harmonises everything and ennobles everything - in preparation - of mergence - with the heart - of the Beloved. Fare thee well.
The more I power the less you shower.
@@inoderlulzer5163 I take a bath every Sunday, whether I need it or not:-)!
Yeap.
Partly because wise people realize that power means responsibilities for things and other people.
And unless you've hit the right stage, that all brings suffering... And wise people do not want to suffer and know what causes it.
The when you hit the super wise stage where you don't suffer from responsibility you get it and power .. And only use them to help others learn to end their suffering.
Yes, power is largely an illusion of control...when you get it you realize the things you control really control you. Also power implies some kind of influence on the worlds structure to support your own. But you quickly find that world becomes pretty boring if it could ever become just copies of yourself.😢
this guy is said to be the most intelligent man in the world... amazing.. his description of god is exactly the same that I came up when I was about 12.
Our state of existence is what is important. Experiences point us to where we currently are.
I once had experience, which really resonates with what Bernardo is saying at around the 4:00 mark, which was sort like experiencing a glimpse of infinity which sort seemed to be suggesting that we experience our lives moment to moment from 1 perspective as a coping mechanism.
Can't explain how grateful I am to you Curt. Thanks from the bottom of my heart ❤
You are too kind. Thank you so much!
@@TheoriesofEverything Keep serving humanity bro! We need it!
I am no one to add to Mr Langdan's discourse - - but as a student of Buddhism for a few decades - with deep immersion contact with venerated sincere altruistic teachers - his explanation of becoming unidentified as the goal and thus nullifying individual experience and the apprehension of the "God" / Supreme Level Existence - Informed Presence = is short sighted. The Buddhist teachings are very detailed about the aspects of reality - the constituant formations from elements - - the vastness of consciousness - - the infinite reflection of that perfected state "God - Buddha" - - and its iterations in non corporeal illumination "visions" and communication through disciples and contemplators. Please Take This to Heart - - The path of Buddhism is Wide Open Invitation to Extreme Love and Communion / Apprehension and Appreciation for the Intelligent Most High Principal Animating and Animated through Human Experience and Our Desire to Ascend and Transcend that Experience. Much Respect and Gratitude For This Conversation. X0
Agreed , there are other aspects of Buddhism that are not strictly concerned with the annihilation of the ego. Buddhism is a vast Canon of texts that cannot be dismissed in a few short phrases.
as described, the path of Buddhism is exactly the temptation that was laid before Eve when she and Adam got us into this state of disconnectedness from God the creator. We are not talking about a principle, rather a person, Jesus Christ. Every other philosophy and religion is just yet another emanation of falsehood of the father of lies who continues to masquerade as an angel of light.
@@mitchelldenny1966 Disconnect, dude, your delusional. If Jesus did walk this earth, he was using Buddha's Philosophy. Jesus says: "Take no thought for the morrow, what you will wear, what you will eat or drink, who of you by worrying can add a single day to his life." Does that sound familiar? I think Buddha was saying that 1000yrs before Jesus. I am not into Buddhism, but their Philosophy is light years better than any Religion. Anyone that believes in a God that needs to be praised all the time is no God of mine. The dumbest thing is when the person stands up and interprets what they said. Christianity is dumb, and fake.
@@mitchelldenny1966 agreed.
God is not only a 'what' as supreme principle, highest goal; but a 'WHO' He became flesh and lived with us EMMANUEL; he walked as a mortal suffered and died, was buried - as a mortal son of man (see Daniel) but he was also the one and only begotten Son Of God!!
Hence He rose FROM the dead! He is thus the Firstborn from the dead ( see Hebrews, and Paul's other letters) ascended to the Most High, there to be our Advocate and strength!
I could go on & on.
HALLELUJAH AMEN
That dude should be a pastor or something. He'd be able to reach the ones who need reminding what God truly is, love.
And what love God's love is....think human love x1000.
@@IamPoob god is light my brother no reason to change it to love. 1 John 1:5. Stay blessed
Thanks so much for clipping this! Please continue, this theolocution was so great! Langan is impeccable.
Delightful conversation, I was skeptical of the shorter form content at first but I have quickly adjusted to and am now a supporter of.
Life is the universe's way of knowing itself
Brilliant.
life is about knowing God, who created all - or more important being known by him. Without this we no longer have a context within which to exist.
Thank you Curt J, and you guests. Right on point. Good job. We Are changing the world just by thinking and talking about, which will create better experiences for everything on the planet! Excellent is upon us! Get ready for the ascension! We Are ONE Collective Consciousness! Watch us rise!
Absolutely. It is all real. It is an experience we are in. It is a state of consciousness in which we can interact with everything around us.
Hey Curt - Thank you for setting that up and mediating.
- Being that you've already successfully established contact with Bernardo (unlike myself - not that I've tried) please do us all a favour and urge him to participate in an interview with the legendary physicist and electrical engineer Dan Winter (regarding his awesome hypothesis of; 'Non-destructive implosive charge-compression' as the unified bio-electrical definition of; Life, Self-awareness, perception (including colour) metabolism and gravity! Having studied both the works of Bernardo and Dan I just intuitively know that the exchange will be gloriously fruitful. I just feel very passionately (having seen who he has conversed with thus far) that Bernardo needs to hear Dan's exquisite and all-comprehensive theorem which (in its own way) marries beautifully with his 'dissociation from universal Mind' theorem (the apparent/imaginary 'collapse' of the 'Non-collapsing wave-function'; Awareness)
- How does that sound?
Can you be of any influence?
Thank you Sir and warmest regards,
Jack D Harrison of Norwich U.K.
Feel free to use this message (for Bernardo)
Life is simple when you're sick or in pain and when you're dying.
Arguments disappear, the truth is obvious, and you know or hope there is a loving God who'll help.
@7:25 really excellent narrative on 'divine purpose' I appreciated the insightful description of 'reinforcing reality' as having a determined desire to unfold in a certain way/path. Aka going with the flow. I think the best way to prove that aspect is to attempt to disprove it. If you think about it.. have you ever had a moment where you've tried really hard to act against 'reality's intent' get your own way, and found that no matter how hard you tried you failed and were cosmically repelled from succeeding because your intent was to veer away from the cosmically intended reality path? It's like as if you're on 'cosmic rails' on a 'path to completition' train. You can hang your head out the window and bang it on a lot of things along the way but the universe refuses to unfold in any direction except the intended. You can even switch tracks sometimes but there's always one to bring you back.
Knowing reality is one goal. Accepting reality is the more difficult task.
I enjoyed this clip, and respect your efforts, Curt, to explore any and all avenues of thought!
Good thoughts, Good deeds, Good words.
Good text - timeless and useful. Fare thee well
@@theostapel thank you. It’s derived from my Kurdish Zoroastrian origin, the pioneer of monotheism, which led to the beautiful Judeo-Christian civilization.
Quite a pedigree - this forms the core of yogic character and practice, too - in short - these are needed - for an enlightened human living.
May you be successful in your quest and may this be shared - far and wide.
Fare thee well. @@malamstafakhoshnaw6992
This is all very closely related to an epistemological understanding of a magical world view- which has always been the historically dominant view but largely is lost to us because of semantic problems. This is something that I have addressed extensively on my own channel and would be happy to engage with anyone who is interested in the topic. It’s slippery. This involves a way of thinking that is natural to us and we can’t help but do it so we may as well be good at it.
Here is where I would part ways with this conversation. While consciousness is experiential, the thing that is having it is not us, and is likely unknowable to us. I find this assertion important.
More Chris Langan, please!
@@rubenpalma4045 professor dave explains chris langan
@vincentrodrigjuez1135 he's not a professor. He has a masters degree. Basically, he's a liar.
We are here to experience. We shouldn't take others or ourselves too seriously. We should try our best and let go of the rest.
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I've spent the past few days debating with various people who believe we have no free will. The only reason they believe we have no free will, is because of the way in which they are defining it. They define such that it could only exist independently from everything else. As though it could only exist in a vacuum or void, and that is obviously impossible. Everything is subject to everything else, and free will is what you have once everything else is accounted for.
@@lefthookouchmcarm4520 Then explain the quantum processes in your brain? Explain why time is relative to the observer, and as far as we can tell, infinitely malleable. Explain quantum entanglement or wave particle duality.
@@lefthookouchmcarm4520 You.
@@dieselphiend Oh OK, that's much more clear bro. Thanks. Lol
@@lefthookouchmcarm4520 Did you delete the comment that "You" was in response to? I can't find it. I'm sorry but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, lol.
@dieselphiend I did out of slight frustration. It's meant to be sarcastic. I was really hoping to get a more precise description on "you" or "What is left" lol
In a world loosing touch with what’s real and what’s true, these words are profound for the years ahead.
philosopher mike tyson said it best regarding boxing strategy which is all great until you get punched in the face,
Curt you look amazing in this colour.
What a perfect way to end my evening. Thank you for seeking truth, which make these videos possible 🙏
My favorite part is always when Curt ties in multiple things he learned into a nice conclusion
Great format Curt and co. Like the short tasters and the long format interviews where you allow people to speak, a concept lost by many channels these days. 👍
Truth, God, and Love are all the same thing
Penrose & Hoffman are all wise to understand it will never be a mind model that can't account for some correlating transmission & reception. Whatever that is hasn't been identified or measured. It doesn't have to be much space but it does have to exist.
Most physicalists hope that these correlations will be found in due course, and that an understanding of quantum gravity or another fundamental theory may provide the necessary insights. The crux of the issue can be distilled down to whether there is an aspect of the information flow or chain of causal events necessary for phenomenal consciousness that escapes our perceptual bounds. Describing where it goes and by what mechanism will help us understand matter and physicality as an experiental sensorial reality. The distinction betwen mental and physical disappears.
They want to lean heavily into the human dashboard biases and String many different systems together .
ts a done deal on everything being encoded on its most fundamental scales
This is measured and we know this much to be a fact.
What they don't like is that nature doesn't work like humans and that dualistic family traditions still trickle down into them all. You can call it materialism naturalism or whatever but its still the same ancient chaldean model cosmogony.
Human can manipulate local systems on its scale in linear higherachal fashion. But nature itself doesn't work this way.
I can see the beauty in it but my intuitive correlations of all 5 senses around entropy is strong plus my traditional influences are more triune.
@@attilaszekeres7435 the traditional movement doesn't like newton equations of the knowledge of good and evil to be the most flawed. They really want this deterministic evolutionary prescriptions to be magically woven into the universe and fundamental to it.
up close and personal testing on the smallest scales here on earth is despised by these ( most physicist)
Whats even more crazy is that 150 years ago the same movement wanted to all the smallest scales to end the great debate and be the theory of everything until they didn't the answer they wanted.
@@dadsonworldwide3238 I probably didn't understand everything you said but some of your thoughts resonate with me. I believe that there's an underlying scale-invariant principle governing the organization of physical reality, which extends beyond the scale and experimental realm of human perception. This principle is responsible for various yet to be discovered correlations between distant matter particle populations. I believe that fundamental reality is neither spatial nor physical but transcends and contains the sensory representations we recognize as the physical world.
@@attilaszekeres7435 yeah its definitely a lot more idealism going on than we credit. We just don't have things ordered or accounted for correctly.
A triune of
Idealism
Subjective indirect lines of evidence
Objective physical lines .
We have good understanding of How to better categorize the Transfer of data between these but we don't mainly because it contradicts physical evolutionary deterministic liner beliefs.
Paradox lay at the heart of reality. Everything we experience is both real and unreal. If you can find two statements which should be mutually exclusive but are both equally true then you've found truth, at least that's what the view looks like from here
It’s paradoxiform as per the CTMU.
I have been an atheist all my life. Science was essentially my lens in to understanding reality, and reality had no god. Everything was explainable, no god was needed. The philosophy was self reinforcing. Then, something happened. Short version: My son was in a car crash in the opposite side of the world. It was his evening in Atlanta and my morning in Sydney. I had just woken and was just about to roll out of bed. I heard a female voice, very clearly in the room say that he was in trouble. Of course, I denied hearing it. "A fragment of residual dream"... but it ate at me. So I called my wife and asked her point blank "Is he ok?". She had just gotten off the phone with him and immediately told me that he was ok. He was ok, but I was not ok anymore, my mind reeled.
What just occurred is impossible. It was not statistically practical to consider a coincidence. It was not an accident that I 'somehow had a feeling', I had a direct, specific, correct and timely message from 'somewhere'.
Atheism and science were no longer a complete and accurate model of reality. So I delved in to YT NDE's and YT philosophy. So I started piecing together bits from Alan Watts, commonalities from religions, commonalities from NDE messages 'from the other side' and came up with a wonky model. CTMU does a much better job however. Still learning however.
Neville Goddard.
@@İncelusChinus Bingo
@@nathanielacton3768 this happened to me too, but it was far more obvious. Nothing to deny
@@antoniofuller2331 Yeah, I don't deny it, it happened, but as a person who only has science as 'all there is' then the most direct method for me to integrate this (for me) in to my world was to use the scientific approach. Falsification. I went through every possible aspect and recorded the events a day later with my memory still fresh.
One extra thing I have never mentioned before or even really considered until now was that I had a 'feeling' about the experience. It was an experience that I somehow knew 'something is happening right now. More like, I was sharp and paying attention to both details and my own reaction to each stage of the events. I was reflecting on my experience as it happened. Something else I never mentioned before was that I actually spoke out loud during this all going on and said "I'm not buying it." as I had this feeling like it was some kind of prank. then i thought "I'm not picking up my phone and calling my wife life a crazy person", then picked up my phone and said overtly asked her if he was ok... like a crazy person.
I think about this even consistently, less so recently, maybe once a week, but for the first whole year after it happened it was on my mind every day. In the end I gave the event a meaning. The meaning was that it was a trail marker for me. Pointing me in a specific direction.
Since then, all this stuff just falls in my lap and I just pay attention to it. I read about the crossover between god\simulation theory, quantum wave collapse as how the simulation works or whatever. Coincidences happen a lot more, or I just pay attention to them a lot more. I started listening to an old audio book I've had for years, Illium, and guess what just pops up in the storyline? The Author describes how quantum wave collapse defines the universe and the universe is data... of course this book was from 2003.
So I guess the more time goes along the more I let life show me where it's meant to go.
@nathanielacton3768 Once you cross the God Rubicon via a supernatural event, there is no turning back...
Also in your story, who's voice did you hear? Was it an unknown person/being? Or your wife's?
Truth. Identity. Power. 👌
Thank you guys for that super fascinating discussion. When I started hearing governments and educational institutions around the world say that there were more than two sexes and that humans could change from the sex they were born with, I knew I was hearing something not just false but evil. That's what made me finally look up and see what was going on
I Stopped reading philosophers and great thinkers long time ago. I couldn't keep up with the riddles. Experience is everything, and like he said I also agree, is the will to continue is what I value the most, my curious nature.
Thank you gentlemen. Pursuing the “Truth” comes from your insatiable curiosity. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
Thank you so much!
I am appreciative of the quality of discussion demonstrated in each of Curt's videos. Sorry to sink to the mundane but... does this guy have a cross pattern in grey hair on his head???
yeah why is that?
This episode was great!!
So glad you enjoyed :)
Humankind and all life exist, because energy exists. Life is natural, Humankind is from the higher intelligence that created energy. Energy does not just happen. Energy is created. Creation the higher intelligence, created energy. That energy is coherent. it is called consciousness. That energy created sub energy. That is called the subconscious. Energy is the universe. Subconscious energy is life. Humankind exists in the subconscious energy of the universe's coherent consciousness.
Bernardo FTW. Seeking the truth above all else is nothing to be ashamed of. It doesn’t matter if the truth is horrible or wonderful in perception, its what is real.
It has nothing to do with being ashamed of it. It's about realizing that it's a waste of your time.
The most important thing is realizing the ways out of suffering. Looking for "the truth" or the largest or smallest things is not it. They all lead to suffering.
I had misunderstood the story and meaning behind Plato's Cave for most of my 70 years, until I just recently watched an episode of After Skool about just that... I had previously always heard about the cave allegory, but not in any detail, so I had an erroneous, preconceived notion made up in my head envisioning that it was the story of Plato himself, voluntarily entering into a dark, dreary, unstimulating cave to isolate himself from the outside experiences of the greater world.
Naked, alone with nothing but his thoughts, memories, imaginings and dreams... and madness.
He would have stored just enough food and water to minimally sustain his physical body for some time on his own, but could still leave brief messages or empty containers near the cave's entrance, that a friend could occasionally check on, to leave more food & water there near the entrance, only if absolutely needed for him to maintain his self isolation for longer.
My imagined story continued that Plato stayed in the dark isolation of the cave for a time, whereby he had lost all concept of time itself, and was unsure of how long he had been there and at some point, made the sane conscious decision to reemerge...
Its absolutely coded gradients that we directly physically objectively measure, its absolutely in direct subjective line of evidence we can measure and then our human dashboards idealogical sensory understands .
This triality is undeniable. Our human dashboard ,physical & subjectivly can manipulate local natural systems in an evolutionary manner.
But nature itself can not hold such linear direction of certainty on the smallest scales or larger ones as 3 degree of motion proves we can't be precise.
As far as higher human dashboard correlating communication with another feild or spiritual dimension that more eternally real than anything we know its abundantly clear at this stage.
We have come to this conclusion on so many different lines of evidence over and over that its ridiculous we still have denial.
Curt, can you please ask a particular question to your future solipsist guests: can information (or consciousness) change itself? When I say change, I mean without any substrate, can information act upon itself? For example, enumerate information, match pattern, merge, calculate, etc.
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Information is a measure of the reduction in uncertainty. It must be represented in the awareness of an observer to be meaningful; therefore, it has no independent existence. In this view, information represents experience-derived reduction of uncertainty in outcomes that can only exist within the context of the self/other relationship. This definition holds that information cannot change itself, though not everyone agrees with this perspective.
@@attilaszekeres7435 isn’t this a physicalist definition of reality?
@@lindltailor I seem to have internal experiences, so I had to take this into account when answering your question. Or am I just tricking you?
In my view, the world as we know it, including matter and energy, emerges, as a result of complexification of relational information, which is the base layer of reality. This definition of information doesn't reduce it to physical states, but rather sees it as the more fundamental building block from which the illusion of physicality arises.
I personally subscribe to neutral monism, which posits that neither physical nor mental ontologies can fully explain the nature of reality. Instead, I regard physical reality as a limited sensorial representation of a wider reality.
Chris’ thoughts on Buddhism are interesting but seem strangely shallow. It would be awesome to hear him elaborate more. To my knowledge and experience, Buddhism is not at all about extricating yourself from reality. In fact, one of the main pillars of the Buddhist methodology is “see things for what they truly are”. The main pillar of Vipassana meditation is to observe things (sensations) exactly as they are, being as objective as possible in pure observation, without assigning labels or preferences. Those are just steps to start undoing the perceptive filters that in the first place dissociate us from reality. So, I would say to Chris, Buddhism is the exact opposite of what you said 🙂
@humanointegral I've studied and practiced Buddhism for a good part of my life, and Langan completely misunderstands fundamental Buddhist concepts.
@humanointegral Your description is exactly right-- is a part of it-- keeping in mind that there are various schools of Buddhist thought.
@@paulaoh5306yeah! Thanks for the comment. I was also thinking: the Buddha encouraged monks to “depend” on other people’s generosity, explicitly, among other things, so they wouldn’t extricate themselves from reality, and would stay connected to society and contributing to it in a positive way.
Always searching for what is the ultimate truth for everyone. But we use words. Each person pursues a personal vision of what is the truth. All perspectives. And that is why the ultimate differentiates: to create different perspectives. Perspectives create different realities and possibilities. Perspectives are like a watercolor set. Is a watercolor true or false? Are the rules of baseball true or false? They are creations. Everyone's creation is neither true nor false. Each creation is a creation. No need to argue about who has the best answer. Everyone is right about his own watercolor. That is the reality he experiences to be true.
Well they are a part of the same reality. Some people deny the reality and act against it. They aren't correct about their watercolors.
Personally, searching just brings suffering.
The more answers I get the more I want and the more I suffer. Answers or I guess discovery is a drug.
Licking the toad is actually a horrible idea.
So people who are gæy are right???
Mr. Jaimungal, the notions of REALITY and TRUTH are different!
Not all can swim into the Abyss and its not just a Nirvana place!
Just keep the balance between Reality and Truth, even more the harmony of that balance and chase your dreams!
The Abyss it’s not for the majority!!!
After watching this I'm extremely happy to know that many intelligent people are studying engineering, physics, and all trades. Some one needs to build the infrastructure that we all rely on to live well.
reality is made of thoughts and your thoughts are not your own - if you think they are try and turn them off
This is basically a katyusha cannon of intellectual power. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you.
I’ve had a ton of bizarre experiences over the last 8-12 months . This Had made me course correct in a major way , and realize the power of the energy we receive and what we project out to the world is immensely important.
You can be around 99 individuals that help eachother out , and 1 that is selfish . This causes the entirety of the group to move with caution and look out for themselves over time . A very sad thing that is imbedded into our culture in the states .
This guy is the real deal 5:50
He is completely on track. I guess his 200 IQ has been helpful.
Thank you.
What Chris says about the teleological impulse to fulfill the purpose is what Aristotle meant by the term endelécheia, which means an inter-dispositional potential of fulfilling the ontological purpose. Because man is a constant becoming, through which he manifests higher potentials, such as Platonic ideas... Thank you all!! Kyriaki Athens
I agree that TRUTH is really the ONLY thing or the main thing to try to seek and observe. Maybe for me, it's because it SEEMS that so many people are always trying to bend the truth, to make themselves THINK that they're somehow doing better or appearing better. I believe they do this for on other thing that was mentioned... power. I think too many people are continually trying to "gain ground," which is a desire for some version of power. What's sad is that they use others and their relation to others to "measure" this. This is what corruption is all about. It's people who really DO get a form of power over others. Then they somehow feel not only satisfied, but justified. But, you can tell by the results, that this power struggle is NOT the TRUTH. How can you know? Because that power struggle never ends. They just want even more power. So, in my mind TRUTH is almost the opposite of power or power struggle.
Good words.
Reality = Truth
Only when you notice all of reality which no one does and people be telling themselves and others the weirdests things🙂 and try to make it reality, something like universal contiousness as example🙂
If that were true and he magicly found out about it, why not share something new, the universal contiousness must know everything doesn't it?🙂
Truth is an ever changing concept. What we consider true today will be false tomorrow.
7:00 Exactly, like a matryoshka. Or simply a field within a field. Everything is energy. Energetic states that repel each other and thereby create the illusion of solidity or overlap. Decoherence. Consciousness within consciousness or mind within mind. That's the way it is. Deep down we are all machine elves.
To the soul there are no right or wrong choices, all that matters are the experiences within the space which gives rise to choices.
I am impressed by the extensiveness of Chris Langan's library
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This is great knowledge that you’re giving out. Thanks, Kurt.
Reality=Truth=Love=Power --ancient wisdom
I know the Meaning of Life? Why does it have to have meaning,. Life is not important,and possibly a grand illusion, therefore why do we struggle for answers. Life is not a personal story, it is moment to moment awareness
I totally agree with the last assessment, what they both said is part of the same goal and reality.
Those final comments...wow.
Where is Chris? Those book shelves are awesome man! So is the commentary of course. Hope you're all doing well. 🙏🎼
I think it's a digital image (green screen kind of thing). But it looks pretty good.
God is Unconditional Love. A perfect home that is always there for us to access if we choose. Our Future Self that exists simultaneously
The reality is I was gonna say something very profound in my comment.... but the truth is, I decided to not care...
I got you.But I can't live this way to the end of my poor life because even if I am "happy delusional" I can get rid of my body or society. There are no people like me really. I am so f****** special INTP (MBTI TEST) that I don't know to who can I talk to be little near of my soulmate at least via internet 😢 my spine is broken(body) my psyche is full of anxiety.my mother died which was also my real real friend and helper. I feel cold inside.i have no real job I love on my father cost and only what I have is house after my father will die and some savings in papers and we try now to get those stupid rent for my health (any basic income) I don't need more money I am "happy" in this spiritual sense but I don't know how to manage this body or physical life I am alone wolf.what is my error ? Or how to get some strength or do something meaningful from this loser life? Or maybe I should go faster to afterlife(even if it not exist what you think from outside as stranger?
@@polishsandmanI can relate so much to you.
Empty the mind via walking, breathing in nature to your favorite music. BUT before doing that , accomplish a couple tasks that you really don't feel like doing. Do this simple math day over day with eyes and compassion open and watch your world change. I promise you with every ounce of my existence.
@@polishsandman I am sorry to hear your situation... Its impossible to objectively analyze another mind .. I therefore have no opinion, much less a solution for you.. I truly don't have any idea about anything... I have made peace with my suffering.. hope you could too...
I care.... :(
The only way for us to actualize reality is by experiencing non identification; individuals care about themselves while non-identifying groups, care for the group.
Reality is both of these perspectives. If you experience true non identification, you can view others as you, and all as god and reality, then you can actually choose once both perspectives experienced; the identifying, and the non identifying ones, what do you want to do for yourself and what do you want to do for your so called fellow individuals.
Enantio dromia, tat dram asi y'all
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At the end of the clip there, I think Chris misunderstood what Bernardo/Nietzsche were getting at regarding the pursuit of “Truth” being folly
Interesting to crystallize reality as a collective of our experiences. It prompts the question of who or what engineers the experiences & instincts we enounter or feel ?
Being in contact with a dentists drill is a good way to distinguish fancy ideas from reality.
The abstraction is more real than the material, if we are subjecting such a thing to degree. The idea always precedes the symbol which represents it. While it’s true that the concepts are more real than their composition, only the conceiver confers these realities.
I just want to be the 6,482nd person to note that Curt you are an absolute legend.
I'm glad you're enjoying all of this Dave. - Curt
When people say there are huge distances betwwen sub atomic particles, it's all relative, if you zoom out far enough it's densly packed, a wool jumper is full of holes, chemicals are full of holes and there's nothing but forces in between them. These forces hold the concept along with the actual density makes it real, there's no magical quality to it.
the difficulty in vertical progression is crossing the vast zones of silence :)
Mystics assert - that the truth - is within.
Harmony - between heart and mind and character - certainly help - in realising - this quest.
Questions and answers - merge - in the practical experience - of truth - which is then - one's Nature.
Fare thee well.
Thanks for keeping it real.And true.
True justice I cause in body & spirit I esteem. Lift the low - Press down the high selfish
'Earth 2024' is like a MMORPG game where many users (immortal spiritual beings) plug into a VR headset (erasing memories temporarily by choice) and interacting with "others" (other parts of God's whole pretending they are individual beings in order to know God better. God can't examine itself without a mirror or 'other'. We sandboxed ourselves in a lucid-dream playground until we "die".
Hah. I didn't know about the immortal thing or erasing memories... But the whole VR MMORPG thing is real.
I fucking scratched my glasses last night when I was stoned (don't do that often) and was afraid that the places I keep putting them would potentially scratch them.
.. I put them in the same places 90% of the time. Always afraid of scratching them. Never an issue. Get stoned and bam!
But whatever, I also got to go out and dance to one of my fave music genres and got paid a huge compliment by someone for the way I moved.
So I guess tis a wash.
Damn vr game...don't ask for super powers in it. What you get will not be what you expected or wanted.
The ultimate 1000iq question is, what good does it do to know "most" details about the processes behind our body mind and soul? Are you a more loving person to yourself and other human beings? Are you more satisfied or are u more confused? You have less questions or more questions?
One of the best videos on the internet FACT
The highest commitment on this earth is money and power not truth.
❤Bernard is Great. Agree Truth is Being a human and Love, Social, kindness ❤Religions is a divisive, Tool that has been used For Power and Greed. Buddhism is the only Faith it never used in this very important as it's a pathway to connect to your higher self ❤🙏🧠🌏🌎🌍❤☸❤
I believe that life is meaningless. Humans have a proclivity to create meaning... not find it, but create it.
Ok, I gotta ask… I hope I’m not being rude. Can you please explain the white cross on top of his head?❤️🤗🐝
Seems existence is like a machine that makes parts for itself.
The devil on my left shoulder is competing with the other one on my right while the main one on my back whispers in my ears to look closer at what they're showing to me saying "it is not we that bring forth this experience....we are being forced to present for you the opportunity because it's the other you that has to locate those three little pigs and chase them ALL the way home if you want to 'edit' their realty.
Chris makes sense
Having survived ridiculous amounts of things I came to the conclusion I must have a purpose.
I thought it slightly narcissistic but it makes sense to me. Why have I been given that blessing there has to be a reason. Hallucinogens are awesome done right with a friend of 27 yrs in nature perfect. He said while peaking don't you feel small nope connected to everything is exactly how I feel and having autism that was very profound. Had a very strange week after where I was realizing some very profound things that was very cool. I've become a big fan of hallucinogens of any kind. Lsd especially. It's a little hectic but ultimately good. Done right get it wrong and God help you. You will just know when the time is right I spent near 30 yrs scared of them then I mentioned to a friend if you can get hold of any acid, I'm in and he did 6months ago. Ideally I'd do 2 a year but it's difficult to get around here.
Mushrooms are much more common. Dmt too. Not tried that yet a little worried tbh.
Man I hope my life has some sort of eternal value
We cannot define “God”. We cannot define God by words, or anything else. We can only go by what we see, what we are aware of and by what we experience. We definitely are conscious observers of the world we find ourselves in and participants in it. When we turn our ‘eye’ inwards is when we ask ourselves, who am I, what is this all about in relation to me the observer, is there any other reality, other than this one. It’s a shift of vision. That we can definitely know.
The inner world - has the profoundest of all experiences - the Real Being - as the true state of the human being. Fare thee well.
I only clicked on this video to see the background for Chris. Its Biblioporn.