This sounds like so many other UN peace keeping missions, they are told to leave heavy weapons at home and then get butt kicked everytime. When the Canadians first went to Bosnia, the Canadian General refused to leave their larger weapons behind, so had TOW, Carl G, HMG and mortars to provide fire support. It made a difference in how the belligerents treated the Canadians. Almost every UN mission is set up to fail, because a lot of the actors want it to.
Bear in mind there is a risk spectrum for peacekeeping missions. If the situation is stalemated or the parties are negotiating, light infantry with no heavy weapons is fine. As well, UN forces are supposed to downplay their military aspect. But in a volatile situation, sufficient firepower could be the difference between success and failure either providing real deterrence or actual effective armed response. Peacekeepers were originally supposed to deter attack by acting as a "tripwire" where their coming under attack would trigger a larger response. However, this model has come under scrutiny as sometimes it works, but often it does not. Particularly if the attacker gambles or knows that the response will be slow or there will be little or no political will for a larger intervention. Therefore perhaps they could have it both ways, with smaller and lightly-armed forces deployed, but with the capacity to quickly reintegrate various weapons systems and combat vehicles to these units. In addition to the lightly-armed tripwire or security forces, heavy mechanised or armoured units kept in reserve to respond to an increase in violence or a deteriorating situation.
Something very similar happened to the Dutch and Australian troops on peacekeeping missions. These troops are typically under-equipped, undergunned, and under a regime of particularly vague rules and priorities which are unrealistic in real combat. Troops are also supposed to know who's giving them orders. UN should have properly equipped combat troops with the capacity to deal with actual warfare.
The Australians have been in every conflict since the Boer wars . Only in the Early Stages of the WW2 pacific have they been beaten . Most times under attack in poor 3-1 or 5-1 ratios they have taken on all the aggressors and came out unbeaten. Would like to hear what UN contingent and the event
Well said Paul Rwanda was the most well known, Somalia was another. And if Australia was not leading the intervention in East Timor and if East Timor wasn’t within striking distance of RAAF aircraft (& if Indonesia failed to acknowledge that fact) then that would have been the same! As was explained by senior Australian military officer “ we are war fighters not police!”
I think it’s mostly a combination of a number of issues. The Chinese soldiers weren’t well trained enough nor was their command chain intact. But at the same time it’s hard to expect any regular infantry to try to go toe to toe with tanks and artillery when they have no anti armor capabilities and were massively outgunned.
To be fair, they haven't had as much experience as some nations and they live under an authoritarian regime which doesn't exactly inspire loyalty and national pride.
Not being racist but Chinese people are generally unruly. My father works as a civil engineer and I often hear him talking about office politics. I have never heard him curse someone as much as he curses the Chinese contractors, they ignore all recommendations and do they their own thing, which is what looks like happened here. Whereas all the American companies he has worked with, the people are very professional and have good work ethics. Another guy I know has had similar experiences working with Chinese, and he lives in China. I am usually very pro-Chinese but this is a harsh truth and maybe the CPC is working on it. The Chinese nation is also developing and still learning, lets hope they learn.
@@fahad_hassan_92 The chinese government on the main land are the rebels anyway, they just have taken over the mainland, and the chinese government was moved to tiawan. So don’t expect them to be the most ruly.
I really appreciated the ending where you honored the soldiers who lost their lives. I’m not Chinese but it is wonderful that you mentioned their names besides having different ideological differences. Keep up the good work
A very similar situation happened to Indian UN troops. Thousands of Indian troops were trapped in Sierra Leone because of the inability of UN to give proper information or allow heavy weapons in the hands of peacekeepers. Eventually the Indian government was so angered that they directly intervened in the conflict with British troops. Then only they were able to save the lives of civilians and UN PEACEKEEPERS. This showed how incompetent the UN officials were and that peacekeeping missions could be successful if under the right leadership
I’ve got a lot a lot of stories to tell about the UN. Here are just two: I am a former soldier with the U.S. Army in Iraq. We had some business at the UN compound in 2003. The security there was a joke. Their security were barely checking vehicles. There was a section of fence missing with no security. Iraqis were coming and going through the fence. I told my soldiers this place was going to get blown up. Sure enough, a truck bomb blew up the building two weeks later, killing the chief of the UN mission. About a year later, I became a contractor in Iraq and managed several buildings within the Green Zone. The UN came back to Iraq and stayed at the Al Rasheed Hotel. I would see the UN delegation in the cafeteria. It looked like they took one hippie from every country in the world and had them work together. It was a joke. There is no way those hippies could accomplish anything. One day my Iraqi cleaners were furious. This African UN official kept pooping 💩 in his hotel closet. He wouldn’t use the bathroom because he did not like European style toilets.
Even recently in Congo Indian troops were pinned down and shot at by militia groups and armed civilians. It’s absolutely irresponsible what the UN does to these troops
This is mostly to blame on the UN, no doubt but if you look at the Chinese patrols....Parade uniforms, presenting their guns on the roof of their vehicles, wearing a facemask, wearing white Parade gloves. These guys are a joke too.
Like how you shouldnt let the chinese in because their gear is made in china and they dont listen to important orders from commanders that arent chinese? Yeah says loooooots about any group that lets china "help"
From a former US infantryman, respect to them trying with what little they had. Outnumbered, outgunned, and I assume they had very little experience compared to the local militias. And ROE literally prevents them from really doing anything until they are already being ambushed pretty much.
Thing is everyone learns quick on the job. They got enough people and homogenous community to fall back on and defend/promote. We’re letting in 41 year old sailors/too many women, and don’t get me started on the dysphoria that somehow doesn’t disqualify them as mentally unfit. They are a tough enemy. When it kicks off it will be the American fleets against an enemy operating close to their home. We are so not ready for a fight. P.S. of course the marines will be the ones taking and holding territory. This will be the one where it becomes obvious we definitely prepared for the last war.
@@failtolawl UN forces in Korea were hardly under-equipped. This is more in line with the challenges faced by UNAMIR in Rwanda or UNPROFOR in Sarajevo.
it didnt stop Indian and Ethopean contingents stationed in Juba from reacting and protecting the perimeter that day. Being outgunned did not stop Indian Contingen from protecting civilians at Bor in similar incident a year preceding Juba indicent. ROE is pretty clear in such matters, but then what the average chink lacked that day was the nerves to come out of protected areas and take post.
@@drmartin5062 As an outsider looking in (fellow NATO service here) it SEEMS from various media releases & press that the US is gearing up for this fight in particular... Yet I've read from a few US service members they feel like this isn't the case Is it that the military is prepping for the last fight, and not properly equipping for the next big fight? Is it that the military has gifted too many missiles, ammo, etc to Ukraine and would find itself short if a big fight kicks off against China suddenly? Is it a lack of ability for the Navy to sustain itself in a fight where there is a peer enemy, who has all the advantages of a home turf fight? What would you do differently if you were in charge, that you think would put US forces in a better place to respond effectively?
@@ShutUpBubi First: We are not at war with China. China is an AVERSARY of the United States, meaning our interests do not align and we COMPETE with eachother. We may some day be enemies, but that won't change the fact that honorable men and women deserve respect. Second: These men fought and died protecting civilians in a foreign country. That is honorable and deserves recognition. Third: Soldiers are not their government. They are men and women doing their duty to country, ideals, and beliefs. No different from an American soldier. All men of honor understand that. Courage and honor respect courage and honor. Only cowards and dishonorable people spit on the graves of brave men, even if they were enemies.
The Chinese UN troops had no anti-tank weapons and the heaviest vehicle they had was a machine-gun mounted APC that could barely protect against 50cal. The militia that attacked them had RPGs, recoilless guns, T-54/55s and outnumbered them probably 10 to 1. It’s highly doubtful any military can even survive that without the proper equipment.
Interestingly, I think the RPGs were Chinese made. So the very first Chinese soldiers killed overseas in their first battle were killed by Chinese weapons.
I think the PLA soldiers did as well as they could given the circumstances. If they had their ZTZ99s or ZTZ96s, actual ATGMs and IFVs they likely would’ve been able to counter the attack. But they only had light infantry with no anti armour or artillery. Given the circumstances, the fact that only 2 died is a miracle.
I think the biggest factor with any UN force is you cannot expect people to fight and die for someone else's war or people. Those soldiers knew that so long as they made it home, their life would be normal; they had no skin in the game.
If any UN force had proper support with the OK to return fire with deadly force. I mean if a legit battle grpup was placed in between them knowing full well they would be obliterated they would think long and hard before they engage a UN peacekeeping force. I mean what is the point of putting of putting them there with weapons if they can bareley use them.
@Tyler: Yeah, that. Those “defending” their own territory are often more motivated than their attackers. I mean, how many times have we seen that? We‘re seeing that right now in Ukraine, right? I think any country obligated to send UN forces and with the light equipment they had would have had the same result.
Sad truth is for peacekeeping to work properly you need overwhelming firepower and the UN refuses to do that. It needs to be a zero sum game. If you want to stop side A and B from fighting they both have to think you can beat the ever living crap out of both of them if they try.
@@Aabergm This is why air support is so important. Drop a few bombs/missles on the precious tanks would have most armies thinking twice about carrying out an attack.
If anyone wants a comparable analogue, look up the Siege Of Jadotville, The Irish UN troops fought to quite literally THE LAST BULLET and only surrendered when they had no more ammunition and explosives to fight back. And they were much more underequipped than the chinese in this situation
Those soldiers did what they could with what they had. They were smart to retreat and then push where possible. The orders they ignored were given out by idiots. Rest in peace to those brave enough to defend innocent lives.
I hate to admit this, because China is the enemy, but you’re right. UN officers are morons and are mostly sexual deviants because of diplomatic immunity.
Agreed. Never known a situation yet where UN Peace Keepers have had fight with these odds. The worst performance of UN Peacekeepers was in the Balkens, when Dutch solders abandoned an area without a shot, allowing the population to be slaughtered. Quote "In 2019, the Dutch Supreme Court ruled the Netherlands was partially liable in the deaths of about 350 Muslim men murdered by Bosnian Serb forces during the massacre." This happened 1995.
Yup, the title makes it sound bad on the chinese behalf. 'China's Troops Get Smoked in First Combat Disaster', but the disaster was the preparation, orders, intel and backup. Dont see any real issue by the soldiers on the ground. They were put in a bad position and did surprisingly well.
Thank you for honoring those men who died during this mission. We may hate the leaders and their politics but the men who don uniforms deserve some respect.
Most soldiers are Hero. They risk their life for others. Some are there for the money, but most are good people that deserve respect no matter where they are from.
I think the soldiers did fine. They were put in extremely poor circumstances and accounted themselves as well as any soldiers given them. But I also think this points to massive systemic issues, possibly irredeemable ones. I just cant tell you if they lay with the PLA, the UN, or both. Theres such a layered cake of failure here, its hard to say anything but the soldiers did the best they could do
I say both, but I reckon the UN takes a larger share of the blame. It is fixable, all systemic issues are fixable. It's just if you are willing to do it.
11:50am I don't agree with the title of this post It should be ( another failure of UN peace keeping force to protect their own soldiers by providing the adequate equipment and communication for the job)
It's the UN. I don't love China, but these troops look to have done their best under the usual charlie foxtrot conditions that obtain with these UN visibility missions. It's more important to have diversity even if it means there's no integration at all among the troops manning a given AO. Troops can't have heavy weapons or decent non-combat support because it looks like colonization or something. And at this point every tinpot warlord knows the blue helmets have little staying power if pressed. The Chinese with their one child policy are reputed to dote on their sons, so maybe there will be public pressure on Xi to make these peacekeeping missions safer and it will result in some drive to improve UN command structure.
I think the Chinese troops did the best they could in their inferior situation and bravely stood up to superior forces to protect civilians. China certainly cannot be blamed for the situation; it is the people who sit at the top of the UN and calculate troop allocations who are to blame.
Ahem.... 1: the UN does not hard line dictate what their troops can and cant bring. Canadians brought heavier gear just fine. 2: the chinese did not protect civilians. they protected themselves. Thats why 300 civilians died vs 2 chinese. 3: They were repeatedly given orders and told to co ordniate with other UN forces in that area, mainly the napalese and indians... china didnt listen to orders from anyone except chinese..... Yeah maybe... watch the video first?
@@brentonherbert7775Don't you listen the positive side of the story? They succesfully protected 9000 civilians and launched counter attacks to save the civilians.
@@brentonherbert7775 They may not give a hard dictation, you may be right, but they say how much there should be and also specify what material is appropriate. A country like China, which does not have great combat experience itself, naturally relies on what is proposed; China is missing or was missing the experience that Canada already had so let`s stay fair here.
@@china_airguns HAHAHAHAHAHA DUDE DID YOU JUST SAY CHINA LISTENS TO WHAT OTHER NATIONS HAVE TO SAY??? XDDD Oh lawd.... Yeah china will TOTAAALLLLY "listen" when the US says it should bring this thisand this mhm mhm.
I appreciate your acknowledgement of the efforts by the Chinese Peacekeepers to protect the civilians and goods under their care. I'm not a big fan of their government, either, but it seems their troops tried their best in a really bad situation, and they deserve credit for that. Thanks for acknowledging the two soldiers who were killed in action, too. It seems a little unfair they they did not receive more recognition at the time.
It's not so much the soldiers--although they showed below average initiative after the events--it's the lack of preparation in regards the mission and that is a Command issue.
Mad respect for the Chinese soldiers who tried to do what was right regardless of the commanders passing the buck. Thank you T&P for highlighting the troops who died that day. As a retired Army, I understand that at the end of the day regardless of nationality, there are two mothers who have outlived their sons. I pray that they find peace knowing their sons died protecting the innocent.
Poor lads were caught between a rock and a hard place. Failure in the UN command of the mission cost those 2 men their lives. Fair play to you for honouring them. RIP
This wasn't the UNs failure. Those soldiers should be jailed for what they did. Don't try shift the blame. China failed here. And people died bc of it. China should be kicked out of the UN
@@Hello-ig1px Why are they offering sympathies to individuals who joined an international mission to protect civilians from armed, often illegal, militias at the risk to their lives? Do you at least realise that what you asked, and what you focused on in your question, speaks about you and nobody else?
@@SvalbardSleeperDistrict doesn't this video talk about how the chinese... 1. Joined for their own interest, they wanted to protect the natural resources that they were profiting off of? 2. They did absolutely nothing to protect the ciivilians, they literally fled and left them to fend for themselves. Are you trolling?
If they did fail, their still brave for protecting a whole city and saving 9,000 citizens while being heavily pinned down with no reinforcements as their first combat experience. that's actually really impressive
They shouldn’t be protecting the whole city when as the capital it is absolutely a legitimate target, and is in fact the goal for the enemy to capture, and by preventing its capture the UN is taking sides
@@MonkGame87 They're not, but the thing is, that is just the politics with UN Peacekeeping. If the UN actively repel their attacks, the rebel forces can say that the UN is not being impartial by fighting on the side of the central government, which would only serve to bring UN Peacekeepers into the war and escalate the conflict further which puts the mandate in jeopardy. Remember that the UN Peacekeeping mission doesn't involve just military, but police as well as civilians, and they can be subject to attack and killed. Not to mention for the military component, the host nations of the contingents don't want their forces being involved in a war if they do not want.
No matter the flag, a soldier fighting to protect the innocent will always be recognized. Thank you for staying neutral on the subject despite how heavily drenched in controversy it was.
@@trollolol705unfortunately china didn't join. They are a founding member of the UN. I don't know why the majority of the UN doesn't just form a new council excluding Russia and China. It's a joke when the 2 founding and permanent members use it to veto votes that actually might mean something
That was cool of you to recognize the soldiers by name and their picture. It really brings it home to see the faces of those who died. I always think of the amazing things we could accomplish if Russia, China, India, Europe and the USA along with everyone else could move past the pettiness and selfishness that our governments seem to think is the only way to do business. I would much rather see soldiers from different nationalities working together towards a cause that benefits Humanity as a whole instead of fighting each other.
@@david-468 That was the whole point of the comment. Recognizing that if those people didn't have the hold on power they do that we would be able to do amazing things instead of what we have now.
Russia and India gets along just fine. China and India have some border squabbles but nothing major. Russia and China get along just fine. Europe were perfectly content relying on russian energy and Chinese demand for the products. Gee I wonder who the outlier is 🤔
Remember this. The soldier that got injured died 11 hours after he was injured. That definitely means he would’ve survived if he had proper medical care. If you’re a soldier and you know there is NO medical support if you get injured - you’d be pretty tentative too. Especially after seeing one your comrades die unnecessarily.
Doesn't matter which country they are from, any UN peacekeeper casualty is a loss for everyone. Huge respect to them and may god give their soul peace.
I wouldn't even judge the PLA at all and go so far as to say that they are more like the victims here. This is more an inherent problem of the UN especially if you consider the fact that this isn't even the first time this has happened and the UN has a big catalogue of similar incidents even with Armies that are supposed to be more "advanced" since they're from the West. I would say that if the Chinese in this situation had the same equipment as the mainland Army, then I'd think they would have held their ground properly even with their fckkkdd up and flawed system. Better their system than the UN.
I dunno man Outgunned and outnumbered while not knowing who they were allowed to shoot at, and still they managed to protect 9,000 civs while losing only 2 of their own Sounds pretty impressive actually
Keep doing these. Got hooked on the channel through the technical reviews of various vehicles, firearms, ordnance, etc. But these videos about what's really going on right now around the world focusing on military technology as a whole and geopolitical/military events is next level. You've matured, Cappy. I'm proud of you. Keep it up.
In all honesty I think the main failure here was that the UN force the PLA sent was not adequately equiped or set up for what it was intended to do. Just like the Dutch tanks in Sebrinica and US troops in Somalia or Belgian troops Rawanda it's not also unusual for UN units to be inadequately equiped for the job that they're being asked to do when the fighting actually starts. Peace keeping is by its nature very difficult in terms of ROE, and what the role actually is for infantry in outdated APCs to go up against tanks and artilery wihout air support is unrealistic.
This is a prime example 9f why south africa constantly integrates paratroopers pathfinders, infantry recon and sf into regular infantry units during UN deployements. 99% of the time battle hardened and combat proven officers from the parachute regiment or even SF would be place in charge of these contingents in order to ensure that the comand and control structure work perfectly and to ensure that all the neccasary training is done long before deployement
@@davidgoodnow269 the Romans spent most of their time dealing with rebellions either from foreign powers or within their own power system, they were bloody martialistic economically and technologically stagnant. there's a reason we refer to a Byzantine Beaurecracy.
It is worth mentioning that it is possible to hold against a superior force equiped with artilery and tanks - the British Army (Welch Fusiliers held off the Serbian attack on Gorazde likely saving the city from a similar fate to Sebrinica and earning Lt Col. Westley a very well deserved MC.
Looking more into the battle I will say that the UN peacekeeping core desperately needs to be overhauled and they need to receive the adequate equipment in order for them to actually do their mission and for the love of god get ride of those blue helmets.
I agree there’s more tasteful ways to do the insignia and colour etc, if they really need something blue give them a goddamn arm band not a massive blueberry helmet
I have literally no doubt in my mind that if it hasn’t already gotten a soldier killed, it will. There will be troop movement at 300 some odd yards, he’s gonna be crouching, and the helmets gonna get his ass spotted.
Similar to Rwanda - UN troops (Canadian, Belgium, etc) were lightly armed and in a tactical disadvantage. Having served in the FRY in the 90’s - why would anyone choose to get themselves killed by stepping in between two warring factions?
Well that’s why they are called peacekeepers, they stepping in to keep 2 waring factions from kill each other and most importantly killing civilians. You argument is like why firefighter fights fire, why police engage armed criminals.
@@royhuang9715 funny - i was a soldier on several UN missions as well as a firefighter, at no time was I ever given a “duty to die’.” Risk management is a real thing and lightly armed soldiers are not required to step between two warring actions when neither are interested in a cease-fire.
My uncle served in the US army as a peacekeeper in Bosnia during those conflicts but at any rate his unit was not allowed to carry ammo into the field to protect themselves or the civilians.
You can’t be a peacekeeper while actively serving your military. If you’re still active duty in the army, it’s considered abandonment if you serve the UN. Unless you meant he went on patrols in the US Army. In any case the rules of engagement is FAR better in the army than it is as a UN peacekeeper.
@@Unchainedfulif you’re a UN peacekeeper (serving in a military capacity) you can only be part of the military. Like you saw in the video, peacekeeping infantry forces are loaned out directly from the participant nation’s militaries. The United States was part of UNPROFOR sending 315 soldiers to Macedonia with a total of 748 US troops serving in the PROFOR. A NATO coalition also participated in the conflict but that is separate from the peacekeeping mission.
I'm no military expert but I'd imagine that it is extremely difficult to conduct a peace keeping mission when the two sides that you're trying to keep from fighting out-gun and probably outnumber you. I get that there are political considerations when it comes to having heavily armed foreign troops but the ulternative is the deaths of non-combatants. The UN should have planned better.
@@bobsemple9341 seems like you should work on your reading comprehension. the whole problem is that they didn't know if they were allowed to fight back, and they didn't have the necessary equipment either.
I'm not a fan of China at all, but putting your life on the line to save another Countries citizens goes above politics and nationalism. Good on you for the respect, even if things didn't go as planned.
Last year indian and Chinese soilder were on a peace keeping mission jointly They were attacked by terrorist In this incident two Indian soilder died due to Chinese They ran away with car 😭😭 leaving Indian soilder behind God thanks to others Indian soilder they push them back But in this incident 2 indian soilder died India have lost most number of soilder in un peace keeping mission And never any Indian soilder ran away But chinese soilder always have this drama
Once again, you did a very good job summarizing what happened during those days. It was nice of you to give recognition to those who lost their lives while protecting others.
I don’t know what that general is talking about in his report saying that they didn’t do enough. What’s a rifleman supposed to do against tanks and artillery in an encirclement maneuver?
@@NullElemental how? did you look at their "barricades" how are they supposed to "dig in", which requires an fortified position? and did you not hear that their was two armies, aside from the UN?
How much of this is the UN not preparing the peacekeeping mission for having to defend against such heavily armed militias and doing nothing to prevent the civil war from getting so close to the UN camp to begin with?
@@dorkanderson4963 So I have to visit China to know that cameras with face IDs on every block and authoritarianism is not to my liking? Do I have to visit Afghanistan to know that I'm not into Sharia law as well?
ok as a Chinese that have lived in China for 14 years and had seen Chinese military training, all I could say getting the Chinese military to abandon civilians is harder than you climbing Mount Everest, specially when there is Chinese in the crowd. I think that problem is with the uN engagement rules, as I was asked to do a presentation on the effectiveness of the un at school, and I argued that the un wasn't effective with engagement rule being one of the reasons.
Within PLA, it's actually very competitive to get selected to go on these UN peacekeeping missions, there are much more soldiers who internally applied than spots available
@Chase Williams i’ve heard ppl saying overseas rotation has a higher allowance with unpeacekeeping being the highest and djibouti base being the second
Love your clip, Cappy! UN missions can only do so much. They can halt criminals and feed the starving, but state-level conflicts are too much to ask of them.
Props to any soldier who makes the ultimate sacrifice in service of their nation. Regardless of the policies of your leaders, your bravery will continue to inspire us.
That’s standard for a country that is definitely willing to use mass conscription. Having a lot of officers is so that a hypothetical draft force can have adequate quantities of leadership w/o having to rush officers through training too. The US was like that before the draft was abolished too
I wouldn’t say too many Indians. The results of some of their scuffles at the border sometimes shows there are too many Indians 😉 if you get what I mean
That matters on what kind of officers they are. As Medical personnel and subject matter experts in other countries are usually officers. Since officers are the individuals who have a formal education. So if a decent chunk of those officers were support specialists then the ratio would make a lot of sense. Especially on a UN peace keeping mission. Where the Chinese probably expected to spend most of the time assisting the host country.
it takes something to serve your country, its always strange but understandable that when soldiers age and meet people they fought against in a war that there is an unspoken respect toward each other. i salute any who served their country. now all we need is the people that lead those countries to not start pointless wars that they are not fighting in personally. this Aussie remembers, lest we forget. miss you dad
There was the battle of jadotville when the irish peacekeeper managed to hold off the attacks until they ran out of ammunition and supply. I remember reading how the irish requested supplies, specifically water beside ammunitions, but the UN command sent them water in petrol cans so they were undrinkable. Im not a fan of the chinese but honestly the UN has an extremely bad track record so its not fair to blame the chinese. RIP Chinese peacekeepers who lost their lives in Juba
A similar thing happened to the Filipino and Irish peacekeepers of the Golan heights in 2014. Surrounded and outgunned but they pulled through. Some great pictures were created that day
I am retired solder who has served in UN Honestly no country wants to loose it solders for this missions indian troops have lost many life’s protection UN Resources in past couple of years
crazy the Canadian over structure understood, they had to make a harder initial investment to keep their fighters safe as well as the citizens contained in their mission.... math is hard...
@@bobsemple9341So your saying American veterans from battle of chosin Reservoir in the Korean War to not be soldiers? They’re were outnumbers and surrounded, and they choose to retreat
Heroic stand by the PLA. They did really well there. Remember how poor France has done in Africa lately and how terrible america are in any situation without air power. Look at UA, most west troops leave after 1 fight, over 90%
Wagner are the best fighting force of 21st century with UA 2nd and RF third. West and Is. only fight flip flop forces with massive air power. Wagner took a city in a year in Mali that Fr could not take in ten years
Anytime I hear about UN peacekeepers being outnumbered an outgunned, I'm reminded of the Seige of Jadotville where 155 Irish soldiers held off 3000 Katanganese soldiers for 4 days surrendering only when they had ran out of ammo, food, and were running low with water. Attempts to reinforce the Irish company by UN forces, including gurkas, failed to reach the Irish company. The Irish soldiers suffered a handful of casualties but no deaths despite inflicting roughly 1000 casualties and 300 kills and were held as POWs for just 1 month. In many ways the Irish at Jadotville held off better than the Texans at the Alamo, who were disobeying orders by holding the mission in the first place and wasted a significant number of volunteers of the fledgling Texan Army. There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. The Irish were brave, the Texans were stupid, and I say that as a Texan.
There was a similar incident in the Central Africa Republic, in 2013. 200 South African National Defence Force soldiers assisting the UN were surrounded by thousands of rebels. They fought bravely, killing hundreds of enemies and suffering 13 losses. The UN failed to reinforce them, and they surrendered once they ran out of ammunition. Fortunately they were not harmed, just disarmed and expelled by the rebels.
Texans won their war and have been hailed as heroes ever since. There's just something about throwing in the towel and surrendering I guess they didn't like.
That's a problem with how the UN plans stuff and the rules they put in place on the missions, not necessarily the soldiers. UN members frequently have ulterior motives in how they want things to turn out. The way the UN pays for missions is also an issue as some countries get payed more to provide a soldier than they would normally pay that guy in wages, this it's profitable for them to provide so not so well trained troops ( look at some of the countries that are big contributors)
Admittedly I am no expert on war and stuff, but it seems to me that UN peacekeepers should at least be allowed to have some better defensive vehicles and infrastructure. I can understand that having a fleet of main battle tanks might undermine their goal of peacekeeping, but having some anti-tank missiles, for defense, better armored vehicles and better defensive built infrastructure just makes sense.
In Defence of the Chinese, I spent a small stint in Bosnia 1992, cut short due to paperwork, what I witnessed from the UN was a complete lack of equipment , sometimes no equipment, and their planning was even worse, resulting in the fall of srebenitca (pardon spelling), also resulting in Dutch troops receiving no assist, and having to withdraw.....after conflict I heard a good handful of these soldiers suicide as they felt responsible for what happened to the civilians...
BRO THE SOLDIERS DESERVE PROPS! Zero combat experience and they were outnumbered and outgunned and still drove em off? And such few casualties? I hate that they died but da.n man. They WON.
I have no idea why this channel popped up in my feed, but I'm infinitely grateful. It is a wealth of information and knowledge about things that actually matter in the world.
I mean hell !?! , Regardless if they're PLA soldiers or not , the fact that the 2 guys gave their lives doing what they thiught was right for a noble cause, a soldier is a soldier at the end of the day and the will live forever in the halls of Valhalla and may they forever live in glory and honor 🙏
I am glad you did this episode. I am no fan of the PRC but we sometimes have to give the devil his due. Each nation that performs Peace Keeping functions should be allowed to bring its own equipment and organize its small unit action the way they want to organize it. That way, the people will be protected and get competent help when needed. Helicopters and other air assets need to be provided by the countries providing the ground forces but the UN should pay for fuel and maintenance.
"Each nation that performs Peace Keeping functions should be allowed to bring its own equipment" - Which happens most of the time. "UN should pay for fuel and maintenance" - which inevitably leads to terrible diplomatic/beaurocratic nightmare of deciding how much of maintaince is done only/directly for current peacekeeping mission and what is result of previous wear and tear, how much what (parts, labour) should cost on paper and more.
They (the UN) should pay the salaries of the soldiers as well, including a danger money bonus for field (not HQ) troops at the sharp end of peacekeeping. P.S. i hate passing the buck, and politicians and generals do it all the time; the self-serving scum. I have a low opinion of the UN and all it's assciated organizations like the WHO, but that's the only feet-of-clay organization the world has got to protect the innocent and unarmed.
@@kryts27 " have a low opinion of the UN and all it's assciated organizations like the WHO" - that one WHO that successfully eradicated one of the most deadly diseases know to mankind? On a budget of medium-sized US municipial police force? "They (the UN) should pay the salaries of the soldiers as well" - What amount? By what they earn in their country they serve in?
While the title of Chinese military disasters seem to portray chinese military competence, I firmly believe the fact that the concerns that the PLA brought up to shift blame from their actions in South Sudan have some merit to their efficiency. First time dealing with a conflict as part of UN forces with little to no capable defensive structures with no offensive capabilities facing 2 armies. Any military would fold in face of it
@Jackie Chan part of the comment insinuates lack of a command structure. In American military history there hasn't been a case of a lack of command structure that I know about. Even when officers go down they know the drill. Kill enemy. Make it to bade safe. Etc
@Jackie Chan the biggest battle in the American revolution was fought in Spain, Great Siege of Gibraltar, Britain was bankrupt and was fighting France Spain and The Dutch while the American troops were being trained by Prussian generals and the war of 1812 was a British victory, it is you who doesn't know Jack shit about military history
@Jackie Chan the biggest battle in the American revolution was fought in Spain, Great Siege of Gibraltar, Britain was bankrupt and was fighting France Spain and The Dutch while the American troops were being trained by Prussian generals and the war of 1812 was a British victory, it is you who doesn't know Jack shit about military history
@jackiechan8653american special forces in Africa ran away from a fight and lost several operators kiddo Stop trying to think Americans are invincible, or do I need to bring up Mogadishu? Where more heavily armed Americans basically lost and had to fully pull out of the country because they got their asses handed to them by a bunch of Skinnies with AKs
I'm the last guy to support the Chinese government, but it definitely wasn't the Chinese Soldiers fault. I'm sure they were capable troops, but inadequate equipment, no support and poor upper leadership set them up for disaster, sounds like a lot of UN missions to be honest. In the end, they stood between the crossfire of two armies to protect innocent lives and that deserves a lot of respect. RIP Yang Shupeng and Li Lei.
No it was definitely the china's governments fault. The soldiers should be jailed for abandoning their post, refusing to fight and letting their soldiers die. And the Chinese should be kicked out of the UN
@@drmamu7777Consider it a good thing that modern conventional armies don’t know what to do in that situation. If your “army” is getting used to being consistently ridiculously outmanned, outgunned and unable to respond to superior armour then perhaps it’s time to rethink the conflict.
I know the Blue Helmets generally get a lot of flack, but I do like their uniforms. EDIT: Also, I don't think the Chinese soldiers did anything wrong. When all you have is light infantry and the enemy rolls at you with tanks and artillery, the *best* chance the light infantry have is to break contact and find cover to fight from. Rushing out into the jaws of the enemy army is literally the worst possible decision you could make, and that's what the UN wanted them to do. They were right to reject those orders.
Exactly my thinking. Whoever ordered them to leave their positions and intercept two mechanized armies was an idiot. I would have refused that order too. I'm not sending troops under my command to be slaughtered for no reason. It sucks not being able to protect the people outside, but there was nothing they could do.
@@The_Lunch_Man if u refuse the order u shouldn't be allowed in the military and should be in jail. A proper western military would have made it work. There was plenty they could do. But they're from the pla. So worthless
@@The_Lunch_Manyea i agree, once they are all destroyed by the vast numbers of the enemy making it futile to fight, the remaining people inside who were saved could’ve been attacked
My thinking as well. If you are to keep peace you need a bg enough stick. Giving 700 soldiers to defend with rifles against tanks is suicide. If they go as commended they would all be killed. Leaving all those civilian undefended. What they did at least cause them to proceed with caution, slowing them down.
You did the right thing by crediting the Chinese troops! While , not agreeing with the country’s politics, respect that is given is justified! May they rest in peace those that were KIA!
Any warrior that lays down their life so that others might live will always have honor and recognition. It matters not if they are from a country that we do not agree with. May they rest in peace.
@@bobsemple9341 They didn't abandon their posts, nor did they refuse to fight. They, being light infantry, refused the insane order to leave their fortifications and intercept two mechanized armies. They retreated to better defensive positions first because there was literally nothing they could do against tanks and artillery. What would you have done? Walk out to be slaughtered?
@@The_Lunch_Man so they abandoned orders and refused to fight. Maybe ur just as weak as these pathetic Chinese soldiers. But nah other country would have done something. Those soldiers should be jailed and China kicked out of the UN. Don't be weird kid it's common sense
@@bobsemple9341after seeing all those comments you wrote, you should earn the nickname Stalin. Basically "Throw everything you have at the enemy even if it means throwing sticks at tanks and losing hundreds of men" to ultimately change nothing at all because now there's no one left to defend the civillians. And you didn't cause any real damage as you had terrible positions and hugely inferior weapons. Yeah, you're truly a military genius. Maybe, but just maybe, you would've stood a chance against ethiopia before WW2 with that mindset. In any other case, even little WW2 belgium would've handed over your ass on a silver plate.
Remember the Philippine U.N. outpost on Golan Heights? Syrian rebels attacked them and they returned fire and withdrew in the cover of darkness. The U.N. General at that time wants them to surrender to the rebels. The Filipinos said NO and returned fire!
In direct contrast to Filipino UN peace keepers deployed in Golan Heights who successfully defended position 68 & 69 from an Alqueda attack in a 7 hour firefight back in 2015. They also successfully re grouped and escaped in the middle and the night. 💪
@@paul5475 agree. Almost all them has special forces training and combat experience. So every Filipino soldiers sent to the UN has combat initiative and experience to do things on their own when push comes to shove.
@@paul5475 Filipinos have a record of war going back to the Spanish -American War and before . The Philippines was US Territory when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor . Many Filipinos died alongside Americans during the Bataan Death March . US Army General Douglas MacArthur served many years in the Philippines and loved the country so much that he made it his personal mission to liberate it from the Japanese . The US Navy created the 7th Fleet for that purpose .
While the US does have a great many extremely brave and well trained warfighters, a lot of our combat effectiveness has to do with our logistical capabilities. No other military is able to provide air support, medical facilities, munitions/weapon systems, and reinforcements as fast as the US.
@radeonblue1816 The United States won every battle in Vietnam and forced North Vietnam to the peace table. Which it signed a legal peace agreement then later violated. It only did so once most American troops were no longer in South Vietnam. The withdrawal was strictly due to unrest at home over the United States involvement the United States was not defeated or lost in any capacity in fact decisively wiped out North Vietnam forces in every engagement often with far less forces than the Vietnamese threw into the fight. The Vietnamese only fought when it thought it had an advantage but often ran rather than fight.
@@Playa566yeah, having a superior Air Force does that. Also, the point was to help our ally, South Vietnam, win or at least preserve themselves. The US did neither
I have never been a major for the PLA and it's government. But due to the fact that they were put in a defensive situation without modern and defensive systems, I have to say that they did well considering the situation. I give them five out of 10 for staying there in defending round nine thousand civilians given the lack of resources and equipment. Can't believe I'm going to say this but well done PLA...
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Come on now, he's an INFANTRY GRUNT. You are going to make out like he's intelligent, then no telling what could happen. He should leave the big ideas to the MILITARY INTELLIGENCE people. LOL I do recognize he has evolved into using complete sentences. Note: MASSIVE SARCASM was involved in the writing of this text. COMBAT ENGINEER 12B, because even infantry needs heroes.
I feel like despite T&P respectable attempts at underlining just how difficult the situation was, many people here ignore all circumstances and just say that the PLA was totally incompetent. While yes they definitely weren't competent it still remains these were soldiers fighting for the first time, outnumbered, outgunned all while having to protects thousands of civilians.
Mission report was pretty clear about the „accomplishments“ the Chinese did. Almost every decision they made was wrong, outdated comms, miserable leadership - it’s all there you can read it in the internet
They have combat experience. Don't you remember how they liberated Tiananmen square from thousands of students and workers who just wanted better living conditions.
And the ROE (Rules Of Engagement) of UN missions, are typically extremely restrictive. While most soldiers From top to bottom haven't been drilled in the "when shit hits the fan" part of their ROE. Hence hesitate to act with, or give the order to act with force.
@@Fuck_Snowflakes This is such a bait comment, but given there are apparent likes for this... Firstly, none of the soldiers active during that time are active now. Heck it is unlikely any of the generals/leadership is still active in the PLA. Secondly, the circumstances are completely different. The troops were given strict order on the level of force they could use to break apart the protests. UN peacekeeping is a lot more strict, and China is trying to improve its reputation so would not tolerate such recklessness. The objectives and "targets" were also clear in Tianamen Square. In Sudan, they are supposed to protect civilians while fending off both government and rebel forces. But the UN has to have permission by the parties in conflict so they can't just go crazy and fight them in a conventional conflict. That is going to sour relations. They also can't take sides, otherwise it defeats the purpose of their mission.
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Most of the UN troops are not well armed/underequipped.. Except USA & UK, a.o.
This sounds like so many other UN peace keeping missions, they are told to leave heavy weapons at home and then get butt kicked everytime. When the Canadians first went to Bosnia, the Canadian General refused to leave their larger weapons behind, so had TOW, Carl G, HMG and mortars to provide fire support. It made a difference in how the belligerents treated the Canadians. Almost every UN mission is set up to fail, because a lot of the actors want it to.
They just want to battle test troops
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Bear in mind there is a risk spectrum for peacekeeping missions. If the situation is stalemated or the parties are negotiating, light infantry with no heavy weapons is fine. As well, UN forces are supposed to downplay their military aspect. But in a volatile situation, sufficient firepower could be the difference between success and failure either providing real deterrence or actual effective armed response.
Peacekeepers were originally supposed to deter attack by acting as a "tripwire" where their coming under attack would trigger a larger response. However, this model has come under scrutiny as sometimes it works, but often it does not. Particularly if the attacker gambles or knows that the response will be slow or there will be little or no political will for a larger intervention. Therefore perhaps they could have it both ways, with smaller and lightly-armed forces deployed, but with the capacity to quickly reintegrate various weapons systems and combat vehicles to these units. In addition to the lightly-armed tripwire or security forces, heavy mechanised or armoured units kept in reserve to respond to an increase in violence or a deteriorating situation.
Something very similar happened to the Dutch and Australian troops on peacekeeping missions. These troops are typically under-equipped, undergunned, and under a regime of particularly vague rules and priorities which are unrealistic in real combat. Troops are also supposed to know who's giving them orders. UN should have properly equipped combat troops with the capacity to deal with actual warfare.
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The Australians have been in every conflict since the Boer wars . Only in the Early Stages of the WW2 pacific have they been beaten . Most times under attack in poor 3-1 or 5-1 ratios they have taken on all the aggressors and came out unbeaten. Would like to hear what UN contingent and the event
@@Rusty_Gold85 Rwanda. They weren't allowed to shoot in an attack by Hutus.
Well said Paul Rwanda was the most well known, Somalia was another. And if Australia was not leading the intervention in East Timor and if East Timor wasn’t within striking distance of RAAF aircraft (& if Indonesia failed to acknowledge that fact) then that would have been the same!
As was explained by senior Australian military officer “ we are war fighters not police!”
The Irish also got screwed by UN during the 60's...
I think it’s mostly a combination of a number of issues. The Chinese soldiers weren’t well trained enough nor was their command chain intact. But at the same time it’s hard to expect any regular infantry to try to go toe to toe with tanks and artillery when they have no anti armor capabilities and were massively outgunned.
To be fair, they haven't had as much experience as some nations and they live under an authoritarian regime which doesn't exactly inspire loyalty and national pride.
Not being racist but Chinese people are generally unruly. My father works as a civil engineer and I often hear him talking about office politics. I have never heard him curse someone as much as he curses the Chinese contractors, they ignore all recommendations and do they their own thing, which is what looks like happened here. Whereas all the American companies he has worked with, the people are very professional and have good work ethics.
Another guy I know has had similar experiences working with Chinese, and he lives in China.
I am usually very pro-Chinese but this is a harsh truth and maybe the CPC is working on it. The Chinese nation is also developing and still learning, lets hope they learn.
@@PartTimeGoblinSlayer Authoritarianism has nothing to do with this. Prussian empire was authoritarian yet it had very good military
@@fahad_hassan_92 "Not to be racist" then proceeds to talk shit about a race.
@@fahad_hassan_92 The chinese government on the main land are the rebels anyway, they just have taken over the mainland, and the chinese government was moved to tiawan. So don’t expect them to be the most ruly.
I really appreciated the ending where you honored the soldiers who lost their lives. I’m not Chinese but it is wonderful that you mentioned their names besides having different ideological differences. Keep up the good work
Yeah at the end of the day these are still people with families at home
The video title comes across as mocking
You are down to Earth by thinking of empathy on both sides of the war.
Class act, recognizing the Chinese soldiers' sacrifice. Not a fan of China's government, but a soldier on peace keeping duty is in a tough situation.
Who is a fan of any countries' government, let's be honest?
@@leethal59 heck, i dont even know if Im a fan of my own country's government
I heard Antarctica has a chill goverment.
he could have at least used Google to learn how to pronounce their names tho
@@indiasuperclean6969 is this satire lmao? none of those are true, poo.
A very similar situation happened to Indian UN troops. Thousands of Indian troops were trapped in Sierra Leone because of the inability of UN to give proper information or allow heavy weapons in the hands of peacekeepers. Eventually the Indian government was so angered that they directly intervened in the conflict with British troops. Then only they were able to save the lives of civilians and UN PEACEKEEPERS. This showed how incompetent the UN officials were and that peacekeeping missions could be successful if under the right leadership
The UN is borderline useless. The Chinese are better off using their own system for that regions security.
I’ve got a lot a lot of stories to tell about the UN. Here are just two: I am a former soldier with the U.S. Army in Iraq. We had some business at the UN compound in 2003. The security there was a joke. Their security were barely checking vehicles. There was a section of fence missing with no security. Iraqis were coming and going through the fence. I told my soldiers this place was going to get blown up. Sure enough, a truck bomb blew up the building two weeks later, killing the chief of the UN mission. About a year later, I became a contractor in Iraq and managed several buildings within the Green Zone. The UN came back to Iraq and stayed at the Al Rasheed Hotel. I would see the UN delegation in the cafeteria. It looked like they took one hippie from every country in the world and had them work together. It was a joke. There is no way those hippies could accomplish anything. One day my Iraqi cleaners were furious. This African UN official kept pooping 💩 in his hotel closet. He wouldn’t use the bathroom because he did not like European style toilets.
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So true the same happened long long back in lebanon as well. IPKF had to surrender arms to local militia
Even recently in Congo Indian troops were pinned down and shot at by militia groups and armed civilians. It’s absolutely irresponsible what the UN does to these troops
For me, the incident really says more about the UN than the PLA
Absolutely.
This is mostly to blame on the UN, no doubt but if you look at the Chinese patrols....Parade uniforms, presenting their guns on the roof of their vehicles, wearing a facemask, wearing white Parade gloves. These guys are a joke too.
Should be common knowledge already though back when the UN failed in the Congo during the 60s
Well said. I have never understood why is the UN so lightly equipped. Completely useless organisation.
Like how you shouldnt let the chinese in because their gear is made in china and they dont listen to important orders from commanders that arent chinese?
Yeah says loooooots about any group that lets china "help"
As a former RVN combat Grunt, I was moved by your homage to the two fallen Chinese Soldiers.
"Fitting and proper. "
From a former US infantryman, respect to them trying with what little they had. Outnumbered, outgunned, and I assume they had very little experience compared to the local militias. And ROE literally prevents them from really doing anything until they are already being ambushed pretty much.
It didn't stop the plenty of other times that underequipped UN forces stopped tanks and incursions
Thing is everyone learns quick on the job. They got enough people and homogenous community to fall back on and defend/promote. We’re letting in 41 year old sailors/too many women, and don’t get me started on the dysphoria that somehow doesn’t disqualify them as mentally unfit. They are a tough enemy. When it kicks off it will be the American fleets against an enemy operating close to their home. We are so not ready for a fight.
P.S. of course the marines will be the ones taking and holding territory. This will be the one where it becomes obvious we definitely prepared for the last war.
@@failtolawl UN forces in Korea were hardly under-equipped. This is more in line with the challenges faced by UNAMIR in Rwanda or UNPROFOR in Sarajevo.
it didnt stop Indian and Ethopean contingents stationed in Juba from reacting and protecting the perimeter that day. Being outgunned did not stop Indian Contingen from protecting civilians at Bor in similar incident a year preceding Juba indicent. ROE is pretty clear in such matters, but then what the average chink lacked that day was the nerves to come out of protected areas and take post.
@@drmartin5062 As an outsider looking in (fellow NATO service here) it SEEMS from various media releases & press that the US is gearing up for this fight in particular... Yet I've read from a few US service members they feel like this isn't the case
Is it that the military is prepping for the last fight, and not properly equipping for the next big fight?
Is it that the military has gifted too many missiles, ammo, etc to Ukraine and would find itself short if a big fight kicks off against China suddenly?
Is it a lack of ability for the Navy to sustain itself in a fight where there is a peer enemy, who has all the advantages of a home turf fight?
What would you do differently if you were in charge, that you think would put US forces in a better place to respond effectively?
I agree. A soldier who fights bravely, in defense of others deserves recognition. Thank you.
Free The Oppressed.
Our countries greatest enemy deserves zero recognition.
@@ShutUpBubi First: We are not at war with China. China is an AVERSARY of the United States, meaning our interests do not align and we COMPETE with eachother. We may some day be enemies, but that won't change the fact that honorable men and women deserve respect. Second: These men fought and died protecting civilians in a foreign country. That is honorable and deserves recognition. Third: Soldiers are not their government. They are men and women doing their duty to country, ideals, and beliefs. No different from an American soldier. All men of honor understand that. Courage and honor respect courage and honor. Only cowards and dishonorable people spit on the graves of brave men, even if they were enemies.
If an implication here is that China would somehow "get smoked" in trying to take over Taiwan, I think that is a veeeeeeery dangerous assumption.
@@WLBarton4466yes free the oppressed countries from western imperialism
The Chinese UN troops had no anti-tank weapons and the heaviest vehicle they had was a machine-gun mounted APC that could barely protect against 50cal. The militia that attacked them had RPGs, recoilless guns, T-54/55s and outnumbered them probably 10 to 1. It’s highly doubtful any military can even survive that without the proper equipment.
China way#1 CHINA🇨🇳WAY#1
Can you really call a group that armed and militia? I think I would go ahead and call those rebel forces instead
@@MbisonBalrog T-55s are a dime a dozen, the AK-47 of tanks
@@MbisonBalrog T-55 are old af, there are massive surplus of them around the world, African countries have hundreds of them
Interestingly, I think the RPGs were Chinese made. So the very first Chinese soldiers killed overseas in their first battle were killed by Chinese weapons.
If you are outnumbered and out equipped without any air support. The odds you win that battle are next to none
说的对，但是上个世纪我们就是这样抵抗敌人的
@@我w-u9rTrue but this was usually done in familiar territory and without arbitrary restrictions
I think the PLA soldiers did as well as they could given the circumstances. If they had their ZTZ99s or ZTZ96s, actual ATGMs and IFVs they likely would’ve been able to counter the attack. But they only had light infantry with no anti armour or artillery. Given the circumstances, the fact that only 2 died is a miracle.
I think the biggest factor with any UN force is you cannot expect people to fight and die for someone else's war or people. Those soldiers knew that so long as they made it home, their life would be normal; they had no skin in the game.
If any UN force had proper support with the OK to return fire with deadly force. I mean if a legit battle grpup was placed in between them knowing full well they would be obliterated they would think long and hard before they engage a UN peacekeeping force. I mean what is the point of putting of putting them there with weapons if they can bareley use them.
@Tyler: Yeah, that. Those “defending” their own territory are often more motivated than their attackers. I mean, how many times have we seen that? We‘re seeing that right now in Ukraine, right? I think any country obligated to send UN forces and with the light equipment they had would have had the same result.
Sad truth is for peacekeeping to work properly you need overwhelming firepower and the UN refuses to do that. It needs to be a zero sum game.
If you want to stop side A and B from fighting they both have to think you can beat the ever living crap out of both of them if they try.
@@Aabergm This is why air support is so important. Drop a few bombs/missles on the precious tanks would have most armies thinking twice about carrying out an attack.
Respect to those 2 lads who lost their lives. RIP.
and to Cappy for keeping it human
If anyone wants a comparable analogue, look up the Siege Of Jadotville, The Irish UN troops fought to quite literally THE LAST BULLET and only surrendered when they had no more ammunition and explosives to fight back. And they were much more underequipped than the chinese in this situation
God Save Ireland.
Battlefield conditions were way different.
@@TheAzureNightmare No, no.
God save the world from Ireland.
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@@SpaceMarine500 That's true, the Irish fought an even larger enemy with air support.
Very honorable and noble of you to recognize the 2 fallen Chinese soldiers. Thank you!
Those soldiers did what they could with what they had. They were smart to retreat and then push where possible. The orders they ignored were given out by idiots. Rest in peace to those brave enough to defend innocent lives.
I hate to admit this, because China is the enemy, but you’re right. UN officers are morons and are mostly sexual deviants because of diplomatic immunity.
Agreed. Never known a situation yet where UN Peace Keepers have had fight with these odds. The worst performance of UN Peacekeepers was in the Balkens, when Dutch solders abandoned an area without a shot, allowing the population to be slaughtered. Quote "In 2019, the Dutch Supreme Court ruled the Netherlands was partially liable in the deaths of about 350 Muslim men murdered by Bosnian Serb forces during the massacre." This happened 1995.
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Yup, the title makes it sound bad on the chinese behalf. 'China's Troops Get Smoked in First Combat Disaster', but the disaster was the preparation, orders, intel and backup. Dont see any real issue by the soldiers on the ground. They were put in a bad position and did surprisingly well.
Thank you for honoring those men who died during this mission. We may hate the leaders and their politics but the men who don uniforms deserve some respect.
Nahhhh😂😂
@@haparcheledupwarthey are just human man, they put their lives on the line to protect people from an entirely different continent
@@mcnugget3851 yea, moment of silence for brave ISIS soldiers guys, may peace be upon them
@@rifqimujahid4907 also dont forget the SS soldiers in 1945 germany
Most soldiers are Hero. They risk their life for others. Some are there for the money, but most are good people that deserve respect no matter where they are from.
I think the soldiers did fine. They were put in extremely poor circumstances and accounted themselves as well as any soldiers given them. But I also think this points to massive systemic issues, possibly irredeemable ones. I just cant tell you if they lay with the PLA, the UN, or both. Theres such a layered cake of failure here, its hard to say anything but the soldiers did the best they could do
I say both, but I reckon the UN takes a larger share of the blame. It is fixable, all systemic issues are fixable. It's just if you are willing to do it.
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I don't agree with the title of this post
It should be ( another failure of UN peace keeping force to protect their own soldiers by providing the adequate equipment and communication for the job)
It's the UN. I don't love China, but these troops look to have done their best under the usual charlie foxtrot conditions that obtain with these UN visibility missions. It's more important to have diversity even if it means there's no integration at all among the troops manning a given AO. Troops can't have heavy weapons or decent non-combat support because it looks like colonization or something. And at this point every tinpot warlord knows the blue helmets have little staying power if pressed.
The Chinese with their one child policy are reputed to dote on their sons, so maybe there will be public pressure on Xi to make these peacekeeping missions safer and it will result in some drive to improve UN command structure.
@@stacymcmahon453 they suck. Just like Russia but worse
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I think the Chinese troops did the best they could in their inferior situation and bravely stood up to superior forces to protect civilians. China certainly cannot be blamed for the situation; it is the people who sit at the top of the UN and calculate troop allocations who are to blame.
Ahem....
1: the UN does not hard line dictate what their troops can and cant bring. Canadians brought heavier gear just fine.
2: the chinese did not protect civilians. they protected themselves. Thats why 300 civilians died vs 2 chinese.
3: They were repeatedly given orders and told to co ordniate with other UN forces in that area, mainly the napalese and indians... china didnt listen to orders from anyone except chinese.....
Yeah maybe... watch the video first?
@@brentonherbert7775Don't you listen the positive side of the story? They succesfully protected 9000 civilians and launched counter attacks to save the civilians.
@@brentonherbert7775 They may not give a hard dictation, you may be right, but they say how much there should be and also specify what material is appropriate. A country like China, which does not have great combat experience itself, naturally relies on what is proposed; China is missing or was missing the experience that Canada already had so let`s stay fair here.
@@china_airguns HAHAHAHAHAHA DUDE DID YOU JUST SAY CHINA LISTENS TO WHAT OTHER NATIONS HAVE TO SAY??? XDDD
Oh lawd....
Yeah china will TOTAAALLLLY "listen" when the US says it should bring this thisand this mhm mhm.
@@brentonherbert7775dude chill out
I appreciate your acknowledgement of the efforts by the Chinese Peacekeepers to protect the civilians and goods under their care. I'm not a big fan of their government, either, but it seems their troops tried their best in a really bad situation, and they deserve credit for that. Thanks for acknowledging the two soldiers who were killed in action, too. It seems a little unfair they they did not receive more recognition at the time.
I agree . It was noble they tried . An lost 2 men. Respect where it’s due
It's not so much the soldiers--although they showed below average initiative after the events--it's the lack of preparation in regards the mission and that is a Command issue.
@@garrettosborne4364他们不是执行作战行动，维和部队的任务限制很多，对指挥层更是限制很多。
关于PLA的指挥和作战能力，你可以通过过去几十年的历史记录了解，你会发现他们最终都是胜利者。
你一定没来过中国大陆地区，如果你来过，并且生活半年以上，你会和很多外国人一样，大概率喜欢上共产党政府。如果你偶遇中国发生自然灾害，你可能会看到PLA的非军事行动，你会和中国大陆人民一样，疯狂的喜爱PLA。
再说个有趣的现象：如果中国大陆政府缺少对某些国家、地区的政权的好感，那么绝大多数中国人民也会缺少对这些政权的好感。
不是仅仅因为中国人信任中国大陆政府的眼光，主要是因为中国人对获取外界信息、判断外界信息的方式很科学。
中国人不是只听本国媒体对外界的介绍，还收集中国人在境外的亲身经历感受、浏览境外官方、非官方媒体内容、阅读外国语言的史料记录等等多种方式来获得信息再判断，这种习惯导致的思考结果大概率会更加精准、客观，更加独立自主。而中国大陆政府也是如此获取、分析外界信息，一样的方法自然会出一致性很高的结论，所以：如果中国大陆政府不喜欢某些政权的某些行为，中国人民也大概率一样不喜欢。
欧美等其它国家的普通人，给我的感觉是很依赖本国媒体，相对于中国人，他们缺少亲身体验的信息探索心态，也缺少获取本国媒体以外媒体、史料信息的主动性，从而得到的信息很多都是有偏差的不客观不准确的。
在这种基础上，他们对外界的一些评论和判断，在另一侧的人们看来，很多会显得无知和可笑😂
比如对中国大陆政府的了解，如果没钱买机票来中国旅游，没有亲身体验了解的机会，那么可以通过网络了解啊！
中国又不是没有互联网，境外又不是不能访问中国互联网信息，不懂中文总可以借助浏览器的谷歌翻译插件阅读浏览吧？
Mad respect for the Chinese soldiers who tried to do what was right regardless of the commanders passing the buck. Thank you T&P for highlighting the troops who died that day. As a retired Army, I understand that at the end of the day regardless of nationality, there are two mothers who have outlived their sons. I pray that they find peace knowing their sons died protecting the innocent.
Respect even tho they abandoned their posts? Nah. They should be prosecuted for the deaths of civilians and China kicked out of the UN
Not only the Commanders but the CCP behind the propaganda.
Respect to the men who'd kill you and your family in a heart beat? God, we're going to lose a war with China so, so badly.
Emma with two mom?
@@Azir0909not the same army he was in though that’s modern day U.S. army
Poor lads were caught between a rock and a hard place. Failure in the UN command of the mission cost those 2 men their lives. Fair play to you for honouring them. RIP
This wasn't the UNs failure. Those soldiers should be jailed for what they did. Don't try shift the blame. China failed here. And people died bc of it. China should be kicked out of the UN
The UN don't give a crap about those 2 men. It's all for political points and those troops are pawns
why are you offering sympathies to chinese soldiers?
@@Hello-ig1px Why are they offering sympathies to individuals who joined an international mission to protect civilians from armed, often illegal, militias at the risk to their lives? Do you at least realise that what you asked, and what you focused on in your question, speaks about you and nobody else?
@@SvalbardSleeperDistrict
doesn't this video talk about how the chinese...
1. Joined for their own interest, they wanted to protect the natural resources that they were profiting off of?
2. They did absolutely nothing to protect the ciivilians, they literally fled and left them to fend for themselves.
Are you trolling?
If they did fail, their still brave for protecting a whole city and saving 9,000 citizens while being heavily pinned down with no reinforcements as their first combat experience. that's actually really impressive
They shouldn’t be protecting the whole city when as the capital it is absolutely a legitimate target, and is in fact the goal for the enemy to capture, and by preventing its capture the UN is taking sides
@@jonathanwilliams1065weird take
@@jonathanwilliams1065 Yea really weird take lol the people who were trying to take the capital were NOT there for the people's best interests
@@MonkGame87 and the government was?
@@MonkGame87 They're not, but the thing is, that is just the politics with UN Peacekeeping. If the UN actively repel their attacks, the rebel forces can say that the UN is not being impartial by fighting on the side of the central government, which would only serve to bring UN Peacekeepers into the war and escalate the conflict further which puts the mandate in jeopardy. Remember that the UN Peacekeeping mission doesn't involve just military, but police as well as civilians, and they can be subject to attack and killed. Not to mention for the military component, the host nations of the contingents don't want their forces being involved in a war if they do not want.
No matter the flag, a soldier fighting to protect the innocent will always be recognized. Thank you for staying neutral on the subject despite how heavily drenched in controversy it was.
What's your pfp?
@@longiusaescius2537 Big Boss, specifically it's a redrawing from a comic by Hiimdaisy
@@Azf12 thank you
@@Azf12he really looks like Johnny joestar
@@trollolol705unfortunately china didn't join. They are a founding member of the UN. I don't know why the majority of the UN doesn't just form a new council excluding Russia and China. It's a joke when the 2 founding and permanent members use it to veto votes that actually might mean something
I appreciate the tribute you did for those soldiers. It was a noble thing to do.
That was cool of you to recognize the soldiers by name and their picture. It really brings it home to see the faces of those who died. I always think of the amazing things we could accomplish if Russia, China, India, Europe and the USA along with everyone else could move past the pettiness and selfishness that our governments seem to think is the only way to do business. I would much rather see soldiers from different nationalities working together towards a cause that benefits Humanity as a whole instead of fighting each other.
I would agree too
All of what you said except 3 countries are ran by the same groups of people, who all have the same goal, and it’s the opposite of what you want
@@david-468 That was the whole point of the comment. Recognizing that if those people didn't have the hold on power they do that we would be able to do amazing things instead of what we have now.
@@david-468 True bro! Those 3 countries are Russia, China and USA.
Russia and India gets along just fine. China and India have some border squabbles but nothing major. Russia and China get along just fine. Europe were perfectly content relying on russian energy and Chinese demand for the products. Gee I wonder who the outlier is 🤔
Remember this. The soldier that got injured died 11 hours after he was injured. That definitely means he would’ve survived if he had proper medical care. If you’re a soldier and you know there is NO medical support if you get injured - you’d be pretty tentative too. Especially after seeing one your comrades die unnecessarily.
@@americandissident9062 why would you say someone died on a peacekeeping mission is good? That’s messed up
@@Brandon-sr2bl It’s a good thing when totalitarian organizations lose people.
Yea that's not true
The OP is not true. You can have very good medical care and still die from serious injuries 11 hours or even 11 years later.
@@Brandon-sr2bl His name says it all.
Doesn't matter which country they are from, any UN peacekeeper casualty is a loss for everyone.
Huge respect to them and may god give their soul peace.
If you think that UN is helping people you're brainwashed
Remember when China went to war with the UN to try and conquer a neighboring country and keep the UN off their border? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Though this does not look good for the Chinese soldiers, the UN is such a flawed organization it is hard to judge the PLA from this.
I wouldn't even judge the PLA at all and go so far as to say that they are more like the victims here.
This is more an inherent problem of the UN especially if you consider the fact that this isn't even the first time this has happened and the UN has a big catalogue of similar incidents even with Armies that are supposed to be more "advanced" since they're from the West.
I would say that if the Chinese in this situation had the same equipment as the mainland Army, then I'd think they would have held their ground properly even with their fckkkdd up and flawed system.
Better their system than the UN.
I dunno man
Outgunned and outnumbered while not knowing who they were allowed to shoot at, and still they managed to protect 9,000 civs while losing only 2 of their own
Sounds pretty impressive actually
Thanks!
wow
Keep doing these. Got hooked on the channel through the technical reviews of various vehicles, firearms, ordnance, etc. But these videos about what's really going on right now around the world focusing on military technology as a whole and geopolitical/military events is next level. You've matured, Cappy. I'm proud of you. Keep it up.
you have a the logo for a terrorist organization as your display picture
In all honesty I think the main failure here was that the UN force the PLA sent was not adequately equiped or set up for what it was intended to do. Just like the Dutch tanks in Sebrinica and US troops in Somalia or Belgian troops Rawanda it's not also unusual for UN units to be inadequately equiped for the job that they're being asked to do when the fighting actually starts. Peace keeping is by its nature very difficult in terms of ROE, and what the role actually is for infantry in outdated APCs to go up against tanks and artilery wihout air support is unrealistic.
This is a prime example 9f why south africa constantly integrates paratroopers pathfinders, infantry recon and sf into regular infantry units during UN deployements. 99% of the time battle hardened and combat proven officers from the parachute regiment or even SF would be place in charge of these contingents in order to ensure that the comand and control structure work perfectly and to ensure that all the neccasary training is done long before deployement
@@davidgoodnow269 the Romans spent most of their time dealing with rebellions either from foreign powers or within their own power system, they were bloody martialistic economically and technologically stagnant. there's a reason we refer to a Byzantine Beaurecracy.
It is worth mentioning that it is possible to hold against a superior force equiped with artilery and tanks - the British Army (Welch Fusiliers held off the Serbian attack on Gorazde likely saving the city from a similar fate to Sebrinica and earning Lt Col. Westley a very well deserved MC.
Looking more into the battle I will say that the UN peacekeeping core desperately needs to be overhauled and they need to receive the adequate equipment in order for them to actually do their mission and for the love of god get ride of those blue helmets.
They could definitely do with modernisation and reorganisation
I agree there’s more tasteful ways to do the insignia and colour etc, if they really need something blue give them a goddamn arm band not a massive blueberry helmet
They are also pedos and traffickers....so nod, they should get bright neon uniforms.
I have literally no doubt in my mind that if it hasn’t already gotten a soldier killed, it will. There will be troop movement at 300 some odd yards, he’s gonna be crouching, and the helmets gonna get his ass spotted.
It's just like screaming " hey, target over here".........🙆🤷🤦🎯
The last combat the PLA had was in 1978/9 in a border conflict with Vietnam. The Vietnamese "dusted" them.
This is not a PLA issue. It is a UN issue....
Agreed un failed to protect other un troops no qrf either
@@surelb Those aren't/weren't UN troops, because UN has no troops.
The Chinese got tested - and failed miserably.
The wailing of Chinese soldiers was pathetic
@@randomnobodovsky3692 they were "loaned" to the UN
I have not heard of a successful un peacekeeping mission it always seems like a repeat of Jadotsville
Similar to Rwanda - UN troops (Canadian, Belgium, etc) were lightly armed and in a tactical disadvantage. Having served in the FRY in the 90’s - why would anyone choose to get themselves killed by stepping in between two warring factions?
Same in Yugoslavia 1990s as well. Typical UN
Well that’s why they are called peacekeepers, they stepping in to keep 2 waring factions from kill each other and most importantly killing civilians. You argument is like why firefighter fights fire, why police engage armed criminals.
@@royhuang9715 funny - i was a soldier on several UN missions as well as a firefighter, at no time was I ever given a “duty to die’.” Risk management is a real thing and lightly armed soldiers are not required to step between two warring actions when neither are interested in a cease-fire.
@@timoooo7320that was dubbed the Siege of Saravejo
@@timoooo7320Denmark did with its Leopard tanks
My uncle served in the US army as a peacekeeper in Bosnia during those conflicts but at any rate his unit was not allowed to carry ammo into the field to protect themselves or the civilians.
Peacekeeping in Bosnia was a clusterfuck.
@@marcotolomio5269 agreed
And thats the problem, Un troops should be armed to the teeth,
You can’t be a peacekeeper while actively serving your military. If you’re still active duty in the army, it’s considered abandonment if you serve the UN. Unless you meant he went on patrols in the US Army. In any case the rules of engagement is FAR better in the army than it is as a UN peacekeeper.
@@Unchainedfulif you’re a UN peacekeeper (serving in a military capacity) you can only be part of the military. Like you saw in the video, peacekeeping infantry forces are loaned out directly from the participant nation’s militaries. The United States was part of UNPROFOR sending 315 soldiers to Macedonia with a total of 748 US troops serving in the PROFOR.
A NATO coalition also participated in the conflict but that is separate from the peacekeeping mission.
R.I.P Yang Shupeng and Li Lei . may you men rest in peace.
I'm no military expert but I'd imagine that it is extremely difficult to conduct a peace keeping mission when the two sides that you're trying to keep from fighting out-gun and probably outnumber you. I get that there are political considerations when it comes to having heavily armed foreign troops but the ulternative is the deaths of non-combatants. The UN should have planned better.
ya, it's a lose-lose situation for the UN troops. they have their hands tied and they're supposed to fight.
@@donderstorm1845 yes. They were supposed to fight. It's their job. They failed at even thaf
This isn't the UNs failure. Any other nation would have got on better. China should be kicked out of the UN and those soldiers jailed
@@bobsemple9341 seems like you should work on your reading comprehension. the whole problem is that they didn't know if they were allowed to fight back, and they didn't have the necessary equipment either.
@@donderstorm1845 oh they knew. They were ordered. They just ignored the order and hid. Why are u defending pathetic soldiers that should be in jail?
I'm not a fan of China at all, but putting your life on the line to save another Countries citizens goes above politics and nationalism. Good on you for the respect, even if things didn't go as planned.
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Last year indian and Chinese soilder were on a peace keeping mission jointly
They were attacked by terrorist
In this incident two Indian soilder died due to Chinese
They ran away with car 😭😭 leaving Indian soilder behind
God thanks to others Indian soilder they push them back
But in this incident 2 indian soilder died
India have lost most number of soilder in un peace keeping mission
And never any Indian soilder ran away
But chinese soilder always have this drama
A lot of countries do this. It's not special
@@xanders.3810 Whataboutism isn't a good argument, try again.
@@xanders.3810 He is referring to the individual soldiers putting their life on the line. Not a country.
Once again, you did a very good job summarizing what happened during those days. It was nice of you to give recognition to those who lost their lives while protecting others.
I was there at Juba airport living within the Camp. The Japanese and the Chinese fought well. The Ethiopians stayed in their camp.
Factually inaccurate actually. If you were at the Airport you would have no idea about CHINBATT or ETHBATT at UN House
I don’t know what that general is talking about in his report saying that they didn’t do enough. What’s a rifleman supposed to do against tanks and artillery in an encirclement maneuver?
Thats a great example of pride displacing reality. Something China does alot.
@@christopherlane5238 Your comment is completely unhinged
dig in, look for troops not UN carrying weapons, and neutralise them?
Run, hide, and call for help
@@NullElemental how? did you look at their "barricades" how are they supposed to "dig in", which requires an fortified position? and did you not hear that their was two armies, aside from the UN?
How much of this is the UN not preparing the peacekeeping mission for having to defend against such heavily armed militias and doing nothing to prevent the civil war from getting so close to the UN camp to begin with?
UN is such a joke
UN is political? i think they would care less
UN peacekeeping mission going south is not abnormal. It happens a lot of times.
I'm not a fan of the Chinese, but I love this unbiased analysis. Thanks.
I dislike the Chinese Communist Party. The people of China are not my enemy.
Do you mean the Chinese government, or do you have a problem with "the Chinese" in general?
Might want to visit China before you make judgments unless you like strangers telling you how to think and feel.
Sell out😂🎉 channel. American it is time for fallen. 😂🎉
@@dorkanderson4963 So I have to visit China to know that cameras with face IDs on every block and authoritarianism is not to my liking? Do I have to visit Afghanistan to know that I'm not into Sharia law as well?
ok as a Chinese that have lived in China for 14 years and had seen Chinese military training, all I could say getting the Chinese military to abandon civilians is harder than you climbing Mount Everest, specially when there is Chinese in the crowd. I think that problem is with the uN engagement rules, as I was asked to do a presentation on the effectiveness of the un at school, and I argued that the un wasn't effective with engagement rule being one of the reasons.
Within PLA, it's actually very competitive to get selected to go on these UN peacekeeping missions, there are much more soldiers who internally applied than spots available
@Chase Williams i’ve heard ppl saying overseas rotation has a higher allowance with unpeacekeeping being the highest and djibouti base being the second
So this is their best? Fucking god
As an American veteran, I know their pain.
As a CCP Veteran I can say we ran away and used civilians as body shields
Thier plan: Hide in a corner and hope for the best.
@@artnull13 Today on things that never happened
@@artnull13 You're speaking from your ASSSS!
well here you are alive, clearly you have no idea
Love your clip, Cappy! UN missions can only do so much. They can halt criminals and feed the starving, but state-level conflicts are too much to ask of them.
I remember hearing a RUclipsr say that the 2016 Sudan event was the reason Wolf Warrior 2 was released in 2017.
Props to any soldier who makes the ultimate sacrifice in service of their nation. Regardless of the policies of your leaders, your bravery will continue to inspire us.
I'm glad to see recognition to individual soldiers who fought to preserve innocent civilian lives, no matter what country they are from.
Chinas officer to enlisted ratio is ridiculous. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians
That’s standard for a country that is definitely willing to use mass conscription. Having a lot of officers is so that a hypothetical draft force can have adequate quantities of leadership w/o having to rush officers through training too. The US was like that before the draft was abolished too
The officers all come from wealthy families, are red princes, or bribed their way into these positions.
I wouldn’t say too many Indians. The results of some of their scuffles at the border sometimes shows there are too many Indians 😉 if you get what I mean
That matters on what kind of officers they are. As Medical personnel and subject matter experts in other countries are usually officers. Since officers are the individuals who have a formal education.
So if a decent chunk of those officers were support specialists then the ratio would make a lot of sense.
Especially on a UN peace keeping mission. Where the Chinese probably expected to spend most of the time assisting the host country.
If I'm getting this right your implying that if the peace keaping force was fully Indian they'd have smashed the insurgent armies?
You provide very nice education in a good way. I hope you keep it up.
it takes something to serve your country, its always strange but understandable that when soldiers age and meet people they fought against in a war that there is an unspoken respect toward each other. i salute any who served their country.
now all we need is the people that lead those countries to not start pointless wars that they are not fighting in personally.
this Aussie remembers, lest we forget. miss you dad
There was the battle of jadotville when the irish peacekeeper managed to hold off the attacks until they ran out of ammunition and supply. I remember reading how the irish requested supplies, specifically water beside ammunitions, but the UN command sent them water in petrol cans so they were undrinkable.
Im not a fan of the chinese but honestly the UN has an extremely bad track record so its not fair to blame the chinese. RIP Chinese peacekeepers who lost their lives in Juba
A similar thing happened to the Filipino and Irish peacekeepers of the Golan heights in 2014. Surrounded and outgunned but they pulled through. Some great pictures were created that day
Deep respect to you for the empathetic recount.
I am retired solder who has served in UN
Honestly no country wants to loose it solders for this missions indian troops have lost many life’s protection UN Resources in past couple of years
Leave these bonobos to their own devices.
Let them destroy themselves.
@@indiasuperclean6969 ja na yaar
@@indiasuperclean6969 yo pakistani. .. don't you have better stuff to do ....
crazy the Canadian over structure understood, they had to make a harder initial investment to keep their fighters safe as well as the citizens contained in their mission.... math is hard...
Thank you for your service.
I'm so glad you gave the tribute to the fallen soldiers. They were given an impossible situation
And yet they chose not to even fight. Pathetic
That's what saved their own lives
@@bobsemple9341let me guess you would have charged those t72s with your Bayonet
@@outrider425 any soldier would have done something
@@bobsemple9341So your saying American veterans from battle of chosin Reservoir in the Korean War to not be soldiers? They’re were outnumbers and surrounded, and they choose to retreat
RIP Yang Shupeng and Li Lei for their sacrifice won’t be forgotten ever
Heroic stand by the PLA. They did really well there. Remember how poor France has done in Africa lately and how terrible america are in any situation without air power. Look at UA, most west troops leave after 1 fight, over 90%
Wagner are the best fighting force of 21st century with UA 2nd and RF third. West and Is. only fight flip flop forces with massive air power. Wagner took a city in a year in Mali that Fr could not take in ten years
Lol sure ccp bot
hard to pin most of the blame on the PLA when we know what its like to be in a UN mission
These channels are vermently anti china and needs to slander china at any opportunity
Anytime I hear about UN peacekeepers being outnumbered an outgunned, I'm reminded of the Seige of Jadotville where 155 Irish soldiers held off 3000 Katanganese soldiers for 4 days surrendering only when they had ran out of ammo, food, and were running low with water. Attempts to reinforce the Irish company by UN forces, including gurkas, failed to reach the Irish company. The Irish soldiers suffered a handful of casualties but no deaths despite inflicting roughly 1000 casualties and 300 kills and were held as POWs for just 1 month.
In many ways the Irish at Jadotville held off better than the Texans at the Alamo, who were disobeying orders by holding the mission in the first place and wasted a significant number of volunteers of the fledgling Texan Army. There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. The Irish were brave, the Texans were stupid, and I say that as a Texan.
There was a similar incident in the Central Africa Republic, in 2013. 200 South African National Defence Force soldiers assisting the UN were surrounded by thousands of rebels. They fought bravely, killing hundreds of enemies and suffering 13 losses. The UN failed to reinforce them, and they surrendered once they ran out of ammunition. Fortunately they were not harmed, just disarmed and expelled by the rebels.
I love your addition of “including gurkhas.” If they couldn’t get to them, nobody can.
@@Sniperboy5551 Marines and the 442nd Regiment: Are you sure about?
Irish are just built different.
Texans won their war and have been hailed as heroes ever since. There's just something about throwing in the towel and surrendering I guess they didn't like.
Mad props for paying the respect to the two Chinese nationals who died. Politics aside, it is still a great thing to stand in defense of others.
Always enjoy your channel.
Expecting UN peacekeeping troops (from any country) to use force in defense of the mission--is like expecting pigs to fly out of a cow's arse.
That's a problem with how the UN plans stuff and the rules they put in place on the missions, not necessarily the soldiers. UN members frequently have ulterior motives in how they want things to turn out. The way the UN pays for missions is also an issue as some countries get payed more to provide a soldier than they would normally pay that guy in wages, this it's profitable for them to provide so not so well trained troops ( look at some of the countries that are big contributors)
Until their mission becomes enforcement of the WHO "guidelines," and then they'll be full of a will to fight for everyone's "health and safety."
The UN sure did do good in Yugoslavia....
@@scottw5253 I bet you still believe in those FEMA death camps and UN troops waiting to invade the US
@@aclown36 NATO carried out any offensive operations the UN only carried out humanitarian operations.
I love the tribute you put for those soldiers at the end ❤
Admittedly I am no expert on war and stuff, but it seems to me that UN peacekeepers should at least be allowed to have some better defensive vehicles and infrastructure. I can understand that having a fleet of main battle tanks might undermine their goal of peacekeeping, but having some anti-tank missiles, for defense, better armored vehicles and better defensive built infrastructure just makes sense.
Sounds like the PLA forces did the absolute best in a horrible situation.
In Defence of the Chinese, I spent a small stint in Bosnia 1992, cut short due to paperwork, what I witnessed from the UN was a complete lack of equipment , sometimes no equipment, and their planning was even worse, resulting in the fall of srebenitca (pardon spelling), also resulting in Dutch troops receiving no assist, and having to withdraw.....after conflict I heard a good handful of these soldiers suicide as they felt responsible for what happened to the civilians...
BRO THE SOLDIERS DESERVE PROPS! Zero combat experience and they were outnumbered and outgunned and still drove em off? And such few casualties? I hate that they died but da.n man. They WON.
As a former US soldier, I can say without a doubt, under THOSE conditions: we, or any other Army's forces would've been "smoked"
I have no idea why this channel popped up in my feed, but I'm infinitely grateful. It is a wealth of information and knowledge about things that actually matter in the world.
Well done for honouring those 2 blokes who died. Mad Respect
I mean hell !?! , Regardless if they're PLA soldiers or not , the fact that the 2 guys gave their lives doing what they thiught was right for a noble cause, a soldier is a soldier at the end of the day and the will live forever in the halls of Valhalla and may they forever live in glory and honor 🙏
RIP to the soldiers and their sacrifices
I am glad you did this episode. I am no fan of the PRC but we sometimes have to give the devil his due. Each nation that performs Peace Keeping functions should be allowed to bring its own equipment and organize its small unit action the way they want to organize it. That way, the people will be protected and get competent help when needed. Helicopters and other air assets need to be provided by the countries providing the ground forces but the UN should pay for fuel and maintenance.
Why?
"Each nation that performs Peace Keeping functions should be allowed to bring its own equipment" - Which happens most of the time.
"UN should pay for fuel and maintenance" - which inevitably leads to terrible diplomatic/beaurocratic nightmare of deciding how much of maintaince is done only/directly for current peacekeeping mission and what is result of previous wear and tear, how much what (parts, labour) should cost on paper and more.
They (the UN) should pay the salaries of the soldiers as well, including a danger money bonus for field (not HQ) troops at the sharp end of peacekeeping. P.S. i hate passing the buck, and politicians and generals do it all the time; the self-serving scum. I have a low opinion of the UN and all it's assciated organizations like the WHO, but that's the only feet-of-clay organization the world has got to protect the innocent and unarmed.
@@kryts27 " have a low opinion of the UN and all it's assciated organizations like the WHO" - that one WHO that successfully eradicated one of the most deadly diseases know to mankind? On a budget of medium-sized US municipial police force?
"They (the UN) should pay the salaries of the soldiers as well" - What amount? By what they earn in their country they serve in?
@@randomnobodovsky3692 deadly disease LMFAO
While the title of Chinese military disasters seem to portray chinese military competence, I firmly believe the fact that the concerns that the PLA brought up to shift blame from their actions in South Sudan have some merit to their efficiency. First time dealing with a conflict as part of UN forces with little to no capable defensive structures with no offensive capabilities facing 2 armies. Any military would fold in face of it
@jackiechan8653I think you misunderstood the comment
@Jackie Chan part of the comment insinuates lack of a command structure. In American military history there hasn't been a case of a lack of command structure that I know about. Even when officers go down they know the drill. Kill enemy. Make it to bade safe. Etc
@Jackie Chan the biggest battle in the American revolution was fought in Spain, Great Siege of Gibraltar, Britain was bankrupt and was fighting France Spain and The Dutch while the American troops were being trained by Prussian generals and the war of 1812 was a British victory, it is you who doesn't know Jack shit about military history
@Jackie Chan the biggest battle in the American revolution was fought in Spain, Great Siege of Gibraltar, Britain was bankrupt and was fighting France Spain and The Dutch while the American troops were being trained by Prussian generals and the war of 1812 was a British victory, it is you who doesn't know Jack shit about military history
@jackiechan8653american special forces in Africa ran away from a fight and lost several operators kiddo
Stop trying to think Americans are invincible, or do I need to bring up Mogadishu? Where more heavily armed Americans basically lost and had to fully pull out of the country because they got their asses handed to them by a bunch of Skinnies with AKs
I'm the last guy to support the Chinese government, but it definitely wasn't the Chinese Soldiers fault. I'm sure they were capable troops, but inadequate equipment, no support and poor upper leadership set them up for disaster, sounds like a lot of UN missions to be honest. In the end, they stood between the crossfire of two armies to protect innocent lives and that deserves a lot of respect. RIP Yang Shupeng and Li Lei.
No it was definitely the china's governments fault. The soldiers should be jailed for abandoning their post, refusing to fight and letting their soldiers die. And the Chinese should be kicked out of the UN
It just means they dont know what to do in that kind of situation.
@@drmamu7777Consider it a good thing that modern conventional armies don’t know what to do in that situation. If your “army” is getting used to being consistently ridiculously outmanned, outgunned and unable to respond to superior armour then perhaps it’s time to rethink the conflict.
Thank you for sharing!
I know the Blue Helmets generally get a lot of flack, but I do like their uniforms.
EDIT: Also, I don't think the Chinese soldiers did anything wrong. When all you have is light infantry and the enemy rolls at you with tanks and artillery, the *best* chance the light infantry have is to break contact and find cover to fight from. Rushing out into the jaws of the enemy army is literally the worst possible decision you could make, and that's what the UN wanted them to do. They were right to reject those orders.
Didn't do anything wrong? Jesus christ the cope in these comments. These soldiers should be jailed and China kicked out of the UN
Exactly my thinking. Whoever ordered them to leave their positions and intercept two mechanized armies was an idiot. I would have refused that order too. I'm not sending troops under my command to be slaughtered for no reason. It sucks not being able to protect the people outside, but there was nothing they could do.
@@The_Lunch_Man if u refuse the order u shouldn't be allowed in the military and should be in jail. A proper western military would have made it work. There was plenty they could do. But they're from the pla. So worthless
@@The_Lunch_Manyea i agree, once they are all destroyed by the vast numbers of the enemy making it futile to fight, the remaining people inside who were saved could’ve been attacked
My thinking as well. If you are to keep peace you need a bg enough stick. Giving 700 soldiers to defend with rifles against tanks is suicide. If they go as commended they would all be killed. Leaving all those civilian undefended. What they did at least cause them to proceed with caution, slowing them down.
Well done PLA soldiers! You did the best you could with what little you were given. Definition of a warrior imo!
A sympathetic analysis of a complex situation. Well done, Chris... (Major, USAF, Retired)
@@indiasuperclean6969 hah! I love you long time indiea!
Are we putting our job titles in our comments now? That’s a thing?
@@indiasuperclean6969 u are not indian porki
I'm glad you mentioned the names of some of the Chinese soldiers who gave up their lives in the battle protecting the UN Mission.
You did the right thing by crediting the Chinese troops! While , not agreeing with the country’s politics, respect that is given is justified! May they rest in peace those that were KIA!
Any warrior that lays down their life so that others might live will always have honor and recognition. It matters not if they are from a country that we do not agree with. May they rest in peace.
Rest in peace for abandoning their post and refusing to fight?
@@bobsemple9341 They didn't abandon their posts, nor did they refuse to fight. They, being light infantry, refused the insane order to leave their fortifications and intercept two mechanized armies. They retreated to better defensive positions first because there was literally nothing they could do against tanks and artillery. What would you have done? Walk out to be slaughtered?
@@The_Lunch_Man so they abandoned orders and refused to fight.
Maybe ur just as weak as these pathetic Chinese soldiers. But nah other country would have done something.
Those soldiers should be jailed and China kicked out of the UN. Don't be weird kid it's common sense
@@bobsemple9341after seeing all those comments you wrote, you should earn the nickname Stalin. Basically "Throw everything you have at the enemy even if it means throwing sticks at tanks and losing hundreds of men" to ultimately change nothing at all because now there's no one left to defend the civillians. And you didn't cause any real damage as you had terrible positions and hugely inferior weapons.
Yeah, you're truly a military genius. Maybe, but just maybe, you would've stood a chance against ethiopia before WW2 with that mindset. In any other case, even little WW2 belgium would've handed over your ass on a silver plate.
Remember the Philippine U.N. outpost on Golan Heights? Syrian rebels attacked them and they returned fire and withdrew in the cover of darkness. The U.N. General at that time wants them to surrender to the rebels. The Filipinos said NO and returned fire!
In direct contrast to Filipino UN peace keepers deployed in Golan Heights who successfully defended position 68 & 69 from an Alqueda attack in a 7 hour firefight back in 2015.
They also successfully re grouped and escaped in the middle and the night. 💪
I sailed in the US Navy with several Filipino sailors . You Filipinos are some hard warriors .
Filipinos that being send combatants are already experience in insurgencies...
@@paul5475 agree. Almost all them has special forces training and combat experience. So every Filipino soldiers sent to the UN has combat initiative and experience to do things on their own when push comes to shove.
Hell yeah. Experience is what contributed to it.
@@paul5475 Filipinos have a record of war going back to the Spanish -American War and before . The Philippines was US Territory when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor . Many Filipinos died alongside Americans during the Bataan Death March . US Army General Douglas MacArthur served many years in the Philippines and loved the country so much that he made it his personal mission to liberate it from the Japanese . The US Navy created the 7th Fleet for that purpose .
Finally someone catering to those of us with 20 dads. Thank you goat gun!
While the US does have a great many extremely brave and well trained warfighters, a lot of our combat effectiveness has to do with our logistical capabilities. No other military is able to provide air support, medical facilities, munitions/weapon systems, and reinforcements as fast as the US.
Still they lost to Vietnam and Afghanistan 🤣😅😂😅
@radeonblue1816 The United States won every battle in Vietnam and forced North Vietnam to the peace table. Which it signed a legal peace agreement then later violated. It only did so once most American troops were no longer in South Vietnam. The withdrawal was strictly due to unrest at home over the United States involvement the United States was not defeated or lost in any capacity in fact decisively wiped out North Vietnam forces in every engagement often with far less forces than the Vietnamese threw into the fight. The Vietnamese only fought when it thought it had an advantage but often ran rather than fight.
That would be highly appreciated that they are in there to protect, rather to merely defend the seen and unseen interest.
@@radeonblue1816 In AFG we really didnt have a army we fought, it was basically a UN mission while fighting our old proxy friend.
@@Playa566yeah, having a superior Air Force does that. Also, the point was to help our ally, South Vietnam, win or at least preserve themselves. The US did neither
I have never been a major for the PLA and it's government. But due to the fact that they were put in a defensive situation without modern and defensive systems, I have to say that they did well considering the situation. I give them five out of 10 for staying there in defending round nine thousand civilians given the lack of resources and equipment. Can't believe I'm going to say this but well done PLA...
The PLA are very dope, I mean they freed Tibet and freed many slaves. The PLA is deserving of much respect??
@@MrMjscetrue, people keep talking about them oppressing Tibet while completely ignoring the previous tyrannical system in place.
@@MrMjsce I'm praising their soldiers not the government itself.
@@wedmunds thats good but we must remember the concentr- reeducation camps
@@bruv2249 they aren't even being used anymore lmao. Look up any video. They are abandoned now.
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Come on now, he's an INFANTRY GRUNT. You are going to make out like he's intelligent, then no telling what could happen.
He should leave the big ideas to the MILITARY INTELLIGENCE people. LOL
I do recognize he has evolved into using complete sentences.
Note: MASSIVE SARCASM was involved in the writing of this text.
COMBAT ENGINEER 12B, because even infantry needs heroes.
Weird
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Thank you for reporting in an unbiased fashion which let me reach my own conclusions on the subject.
Kudos to you for recognizing the fallen in a respectful manner.
Look at Cappy paying respects to adversary fighters. I'm genuinely shocked and moved. Respectable character shown at the end there. Cheers.
Absolutely. At the end of the day we are all human. Hopefully at the end of the century we will all be united.
I feel like despite T&P respectable attempts at underlining just how difficult the situation was, many people here ignore all circumstances and just say that the PLA was totally incompetent. While yes they definitely weren't competent it still remains these were soldiers fighting for the first time, outnumbered, outgunned all while having to protects thousands of civilians.
China produces poor soldiers. Its really that simple.
Mission report was pretty clear about the „accomplishments“ the Chinese did.
Almost every decision they made was wrong, outdated comms, miserable leadership - it’s all there you can read it in the internet
They have combat experience. Don't you remember how they liberated Tiananmen square from thousands of students and workers who just wanted better living conditions.
And the ROE (Rules Of Engagement) of UN missions, are typically extremely restrictive. While most soldiers From top to bottom haven't been drilled in the "when shit hits the fan" part of their ROE. Hence hesitate to act with, or give the order to act with force.
@@Fuck_Snowflakes This is such a bait comment, but given there are apparent likes for this... Firstly, none of the soldiers active during that time are active now. Heck it is unlikely any of the generals/leadership is still active in the PLA. Secondly, the circumstances are completely different. The troops were given strict order on the level of force they could use to break apart the protests. UN peacekeeping is a lot more strict, and China is trying to improve its reputation so would not tolerate such recklessness. The objectives and "targets" were also clear in Tianamen Square. In Sudan, they are supposed to protect civilians while fending off both government and rebel forces. But the UN has to have permission by the parties in conflict so they can't just go crazy and fight them in a conventional conflict. That is going to sour relations. They also can't take sides, otherwise it defeats the purpose of their mission.
Rules of Engagement? We don't need no stupid Rules of Engagement!
Mate, good words well said. Glad I’m not the only one who generally feels for soldiers regardless of the army they belong to.