Luke had some very interesting and horrifying experiences during his lifetime. I thought Abeloth was the scariest thing he ever faced; I was very wrong. I'm honestly kind of surprised he didn't lose his mind.
The Cheron and the Yuuzhan Vong would be awesome to see on the big or small screens. But I strongly suspect that Disney won't allow them to be explored. Because it would involve exploring concepts they wouldn't like. Which means we as fans are out of luck.
I got the feeling that the anti force wasn’t evil, just a different set of powers that would mess with the force if in close proximity. What if Han and Lando’s luck in our universe is just a manifestation of the anti force. What if they went to the other space and found out they had anti force powers there as strong as Luke’s force powers in normal space?
@@Myke_thehuman it would be connected to the narrative of Ezra, Ahsoka, and Thrawn. It will almost definitely receive a mention if not being a central point in the show.
In the most recent issue of Doctor Aphra (issue 34) they face a Starweird and it was pretty wild. I'd like to see them explore unknown space gradually over time
Yes, I'm extremely interested in the discoveries of Other space, the Anti Force as well as countless others. Also, I definitely want to see the Unknown Regions of Space and Other Space in live action, but knowing Disney, they're either going to screw it up or just not make it happen.
It makes sense that an open wound in the force especially through a radical event like a death of many beings at once could act like a connection to Otherspace. Like a membrane that has been pierced. Through this connection anti force could come in and thus it would be much easier to connect to it as there is "silence" at the point of the wound so no force flow at all to annihilate the anti force directly. This reminds me of Darth Nihilus and with this in mind he may have also been connected to the "Dark" as he was a wound in the force and his sole purpose was to destroy all life and feed on it.
I don't think we will ever see something like this in canon again, since Disney has shown again and again they don't care about Star Wars fans they just want to reach the most people possible, so they probably won't ever go into deep lore like that. But to be honest, this might be for the best since i don't believe they could pull it off anyway.
Ironicly, a parallel universe that warships death would bring so much more life to the Star wars lore (lol, no longer just the galaxy). And it could inspire fans with either art or just fantasies for years to come
The real question is, Would there be an other side of the anti-Force like the Dark Side of the Force, and how would it work? Would it be like the Light Side? Are there any who tap into it if so? So many questions it would be cool to explore….
i wanna hear first accounts from unknown regions. This could easily be done a long lost star ship drifts into populated space all crew could be dead also which gives a huge time frame of how long the ship could have been there, recordings from the ship would serve fine as a story especially if we got hologram replays of the events with audio
The anti-force would be entirely dependent on the force though, like a parasite. You can't have death without life happening first, which means if they ever delete their counterpart, they die too, making it an offshoot of the force, not an opposing entity.
On other forces similar to The Force:: There *ARE* multiple energy forces. Look up the Kathol Rift. Its extinct inhabitants inadvertently created their own, smaller, Force accessed differently than the normal Force.
The dynamic between the light and dark side of the force, and the anti-force, sort of sounds pretty identical to the One Power and the True Power in Wheel of Time.
They are only strange because they were isolated from the rest of the galactic community but given the chance to assimilate they would be considered normal.
In an ideal world Legends should get its own sponsored spin-off. With talented writers and worldbuilders. Maybe make some of it 16+ kind of like how Vertigo is for DC. Though alot of the creatures are more scary in theory than through CGI. Like the Sorcerers of Rand. It's hard to make abstract horrors like that and Abeloth on screen.
Offer death for life and power, sacrifices, creatures of unknown and horrific shapes and design. Lets just add some cults too and we can Lovecraft Star Wars
That’s one thing that I would love to see in film; hopefully kk and Disney won’t destroy it. There’s so much material in canon to choose from and they came up with episodes 8&9. Why? They might have effectively destroyed the franchise.
A whole other universe, and a terrifying one at that. The unknown regions were bad enough with their Star Weirds and giant creatures that can swallow your ship with the ease of which we swallow a grain of rice (forgot the name). Now we have the Cheron and the Anti-Force to worry about.
If I lived in the Star Wars galaxy, I would stay far away from the unknown regions. Just leave me to study Naboo wildlife😅. The cheron (correct my spelling if I’m wrong) are interesting, though.
What if the anti-Force and other space is something the father of shadows made? Because it’s the opposite of what The normal universe is which was made by the supreme maker?
While I would not like to see another galaxy, I would like to see a trip into unknown space. Something like Project: Outbound Flight would be cool because it shows much more of the galaxy. Another galaxy however, maybe not. Only because The Force might not be present in this new galaxy, although the more that I think about it, it would be interesting to see something where a force user has the force taking away somehow, maybe by getting trapped on a planet stripped bare of life and force energy.
I was only kinda meh on crystal star, granted its been a minute. But this does beg a question about the antiforce. Is it maybe just the darkside of that dimension being the simplest. Maybe waru was essentially that universes version of a dark side creature? Maybe created, and didnt know the whole story? Or even better, under another universes rules, could entropy be a manifested force (small f)? The alt universe started at some point, and allowed its own version of evolution. Waru could have been from the metaphorical unknown regions, where theres less structure and life to begin with.
I think I understand the case of Nihilus better now... Can it be true that what happened to him caused him somehow to be able to use anti-force while everyone else thought it was the power of the dark side, and that's why no one has a real explanation of who or what he actually is.. Think about it, the hunger and the idea that once he was done consuming the Jedi, he would do it to the Sith too, eventually over time if not stopped he would and all life in the galaxy maybe the universe.. That sounds like the anti-force lol even the sith needed life to accomplish their ends.. right?
Other space the anti-force and the other beings in this parallel hellish universe would’ve made a much better sequel trilogy if they made a TV show that would kill in the ratings
These guys need Abeloth, just imagine Luke and Ben Skywalker finding a way to contact Abeloth and making a deal with her just to fight this new threat, try to tell me that wouldn’t be insane
This is extremely interesting. And twisted. Unknown Regions are pretty strange. And Other Space. I hope Luke and others will stopped them. I agree. They are huge threat. For life and all in general. Would be awesome to see this in live action. Or movie. We will be vary. May the Force be with you too :)
In the non-canon EU novel, Supernatural Encounters, Otherspace/Dark Illathurion is basically The Warp in certain areas. In the later eras it basically becomes the Mass Effect galaxy where almost all life has been wiped out. And it definitely wasn’t the Charon. It was by living nightmares, beings that’d induce madness upon prolonged exposure.
Sooo, I can not be the only one that thinks the anti force and the force is like matter vs anti matter??? When the two combine boom? An as in the theory matter aka the force would come out ahead? Which would lead to a new form of force left behind?
Anti-force, Other-Space, beings from different dimensions?! I like the simplicity of the Star Wars galaxy, the force, the light, the dark, the neutral. All of that other convoluted nonsense can stay in the realm of legends as far as I'm concerned.
Why? Too much to handle? I mean no offense by this course. But I thought it was rather interesting. Yes, it’s a separate galaxy. But in the same universe, which makes it I think more expansive. perhaps certain Darkside abilities were manifestations of the anti-force.
@@konnorrose3652 Well like I said I like the simplicity. I just see this as creators trying to add more to the world and lore but I find it starts sounding more and more ridiculous in which case they're not adding anything of interest to me. I guess I just have the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' attitude here, Star Wars is just fine without all this stuff thrown into the mix. If it works for others then fine, whatever, enjoy, but it's still not for me.
I always wondered what it'd take for the jedi and the Sith to actually put their wars aside and fight together, and this is a good example. What if Yoda and Sidious had to team up against some Uber powerful threat like this? Would be kickass lol
I fail to see the difference between the Dark side of the Force and the Anti-Force…. Considering that the philosophy of the Sith is to conquer and destroy, not build, which is pretty much like the what the Anti-Force, that feeds of Death, do…
Here's what bugs me about concepts like the Dark/Anti-Force, the Anti-God from John Carpenter's Prince Of Darkness, and the Great Darkness from DC Comics. So basically, the positive or neutral forces of creation are kind of depicted as semi-passive bro-dudes, live and let live, it is what it is, oh you foolish mortals go do your thing and don't bug us. Another one of your own videos showed the Dark Side of The Force has a practical side, as in 'If you kill whole worlds, you have no one and nothing to rule over'. But then we get to these things, these entities that never knew light or thriving life, and in fact are dead set on exterminating all like a Dalek parody turned to eleventy. They cannot be destroyed, since they are the equals of the creator-entities, only sealed away and never spoke of again, by good or bad. They are super-acquisitive and rapacious, and they simply do not care about anything we associate with the basic goals of good or evil. So here's the problems: there have always been foolish mortals, yet it is only in the heroes' present that these things are unleashed. Creation, whether it is light/dark or just neutral, is semi-passive, only acting in defense of its prerogatives and overall survival of life. So we have these barely-sealed raptor-types always poking for escape and utterly unstoppable once out and attacking without let against a chill creation, and the question arises - why haven't they already won? Represented as the utter final end if they are ever so much as brushed against, why aren't the doors long past down? I think that the understandable quest of some writers to have a really really nasty as all get out Big Evil leaves them with an antagonist with only one outcome - closing their seal again. While terrifying, they also end up as a boring concept, since their nature demands they simply move forward with no blocks, yet blocked they must be for the story to keep on.
In the unpublished novel called "Supernatural Encounters" it is revealed that in the exceedingly ancient days of the galaxy, there was war between living + metaphysical gods (good and evil), literal demons, massive cosmic monstrosities, countless eldritch abominations, and the inhabitants of the galaxy trying to just survive. Only with the aid of Celestial knowledge did those who lived for good in the galaxy beat back, destroy, and banish the great evils of the forgotten past...
I would love to see a deep dive on the Yuuzhan Vong War. It would make for an interesting Holocron
It would make a sick movie
Luke had some very interesting and horrifying experiences during his lifetime. I thought Abeloth was the scariest thing he ever faced; I was very wrong. I'm honestly kind of surprised he didn't lose his mind.
I used to think Tatooine was Space Australia. Turns out it's Space Texas.
The Unknown Regions and Other Space are Space Australia....
The Cheron and the Yuuzhan Vong would be awesome to see on the big or small screens. But I strongly suspect that Disney won't allow them to be explored. Because it would involve exploring concepts they wouldn't like. Which means we as fans are out of luck.
@@mreznik544 any concept that comes with an "R" rating or reaffirms the importance of the OG characters
The vong were supposed to appear in the clone wars
@@KombatW0mbat---How interesting
@@mreznik544 some legends chracters and creatures would go M or A rating
Plus they would have to pay certain writers that refused to renegotiate their contracts.
I appreciate learning more of the obscure Star Wars lore. Waru and the anti force is an interesting character. Great job with this video.
I got the feeling that the anti force wasn’t evil, just a different set of powers that would mess with the force if in close proximity. What if Han and Lando’s luck in our universe is just a manifestation of the anti force. What if they went to the other space and found out they had anti force powers there as strong as Luke’s force powers in normal space?
Let's hope we see more of the unknown regions in ahsoka series
We could see the Unknown Regions or even Wild Space I think. Or maybe even the Deep Core. I'd love to see Tython or even Empress Teta/Koros.
Bet Tatooine
Why would the Ahsoka series even touch any of this? Seems like Disney is determined to keep star wars as bland as possible.
@@Myke_thehuman it would be connected to the narrative of Ezra, Ahsoka, and Thrawn. It will almost definitely receive a mention if not being a central point in the show.
@@SirTorcharite They will mention the unknown regions once, they resort to reused tattooine sets
I had the Otherspace module for the d6 role-playing game by West End back in the day. The Charon were cool af
This is my favorite channel I appreciate all the hard work you put into these videos thank you my Star Wars knowledge has all come from you man 🙌
In the most recent issue of Doctor Aphra (issue 34) they face a Starweird and it was pretty wild. I'd like to see them explore unknown space gradually over time
Yes, I'm extremely interested in the discoveries of Other space, the Anti Force as well as countless others. Also, I definitely want to see the Unknown Regions of Space and Other Space in live action, but knowing Disney, they're either going to screw it up or just not make it happen.
I think you’re consistently funny when I’m sick. I listen to you and it’s painful because I can’t stop giggling while I’m laying down in pain.
The thumbnail is average spider in Australia
It makes sense that an open wound in the force especially through a radical event like a death of many beings at once could act like a connection to Otherspace.
Like a membrane that has been pierced.
Through this connection anti force could come in and thus it would be much easier to connect to it as there is "silence" at the point of the wound so no force flow at all to annihilate the anti force directly.
This reminds me of Darth Nihilus and with this in mind he may have also been connected to the "Dark" as he was a wound in the force and his sole purpose was to destroy all life and feed on it.
This channel needs to cover the supernatural encounters of Arhul Hextrophon.
Bro’s views would be booming
The Unknown Regions Are Terrifying
Of course they are, your mom lives there.
Who knew?
If I remember correctly her majesty abeloth lives in the unknown regions
and that's what makes them so cool
In the Unknown Regions is where Terra and her people come from waiting for there chance to be free
I enjoy what you do archiver.
Stuff like this really makes you wonder what horrors live in our own universe.
I don't think we will ever see something like this in canon again, since Disney has shown again and again they don't care about Star Wars fans they just want to reach the most people possible, so they probably won't ever go into deep lore like that. But to be honest, this might be for the best since i don't believe they could pull it off anyway.
Darth nihilus using force drain and weilding antiforce? Unstoppable..
Legends Star Wars is Vast, Canon Star Wars revolves around a handful of Planets.
And Canon is so stupidly written.
Best channel on RUclips, Thank you!
They could do a whole series on following a traveler who navigates the unknown regions for adventure and wealth. Maybe a smuggler?
Ironicly, a parallel universe that warships death would bring so much more life to the Star wars lore (lol, no longer just the galaxy).
And it could inspire fans with either art or just fantasies for years to come
The real question is, Would there be an other side of the anti-Force like the Dark Side of the Force, and how would it work? Would it be like the Light Side? Are there any who tap into it if so? So many questions it would be cool to explore….
I actually think the anti-force stuff, is just not very good writing, that was used for a book.
finally somebody who I agree with. it just doesnt seem very original to me and I would not like it if it was added to the big screen.
Ahh yes, the perfect mix of lovecraftian horror and star wars. Superb!
i wanna hear first accounts from unknown regions. This could easily be done a long lost star ship drifts into populated space all crew could be dead also which gives a huge time frame of how long the ship could have been there, recordings from the ship would serve fine as a story especially if we got hologram replays of the events with audio
Im not into star wars but the unknown region is what im really interested in the most too see what's there and etc
The anti-force would be entirely dependent on the force though, like a parasite. You can't have death without life happening first, which means if they ever delete their counterpart, they die too, making it an offshoot of the force, not an opposing entity.
On other forces similar to The Force:: There *ARE* multiple energy forces. Look up the Kathol Rift. Its extinct inhabitants inadvertently created their own, smaller, Force accessed differently than the normal Force.
That ending music sounds fun!
Between Abeloth and Other space it's spooky.
Suns that are Shining Holes of Darkness
The dynamic between the light and dark side of the force, and the anti-force, sort of sounds pretty identical to the One Power and the True Power in Wheel of Time.
They are only strange because they were isolated from the rest of the galactic community but given the chance to assimilate they would be considered normal.
Why is that music back at the end of the video? I thought it was finally gone. I guess I'm going to stop using these videos to fall asleep again
In an ideal world Legends should get its own sponsored spin-off. With talented writers and worldbuilders. Maybe make some of it 16+ kind of like how Vertigo is for DC. Though alot of the creatures are more scary in theory than through CGI. Like the Sorcerers of Rand. It's hard to make abstract horrors like that and Abeloth on screen.
reminds me of the creatures in jaba’s palace
Sith and all 3 types of jedi band together to save their force, thier energy, and their Galaxy? Clone wars but with jedi and sith vs giant spiders?
Would rather Jedi and Sith unite to stop a giant mouse
Imagine if the Sorcerers of Rand taught the Yuuzhan Vong about the Anti-Force. What if Abeloth mastered the Anti-Force?
Perhaps their is an anti dark side force existing in this other space as well
Offer death for life and power, sacrifices, creatures of unknown and horrific shapes and design. Lets just add some cults too and we can Lovecraft Star Wars
There are many cults in star wars
They should do a star wars horror movie about the unknown regions.
That’s one thing that I would love to see in film; hopefully kk and Disney won’t destroy it. There’s so much material in canon to choose from and they came up with episodes 8&9. Why? They might have effectively destroyed the franchise.
It sounds more like something out of Warhammer 40K than Star Wars
well there is a whole 1000 year reign by a theocratic Galactic Republic in Legends that takes obvious inspiration from WH40K.
The unknown regions is the place where nightmares are born
Need a show about this
Sounds terrifying. I'm never leaving Naboo again.
what’s the song that plays in the beginning and most of the video in the background?
no multiverse...NO MULTIVERSE!!! no multiverse....pleeeease. \m/
A whole other universe, and a terrifying one at that. The unknown regions were bad enough with their Star Weirds and giant creatures that can swallow your ship with the ease of which we swallow a grain of rice (forgot the name). Now we have the Cheron and the Anti-Force to worry about.
If I lived in the Star Wars galaxy, I would stay far away from the unknown regions. Just leave me to study Naboo wildlife😅. The cheron (correct my spelling if I’m wrong) are interesting, though.
I wonder if the Anti-Force has a light and dark side to it.
What if the anti-Force and other space is something the father of shadows made? Because it’s the opposite of what The normal universe is which was made by the supreme maker?
The thumbnail looks like a necromorph spider.
While I would not like to see another galaxy, I would like to see a trip into unknown space. Something like Project: Outbound Flight would be cool because it shows much more of the galaxy. Another galaxy however, maybe not. Only because The Force might not be present in this new galaxy, although the more that I think about it, it would be interesting to see something where a force user has the force taking away somehow, maybe by getting trapped on a planet stripped bare of life and force energy.
what soundtrack play on video itself? relaxing..
Other Space Home To Death Cults.
I love this area
I was only kinda meh on crystal star, granted its been a minute.
But this does beg a question about the antiforce.
Is it maybe just the darkside of that dimension being the simplest. Maybe waru was essentially that universes version of a dark side creature? Maybe created, and didnt know the whole story?
Or even better, under another universes rules, could entropy be a manifested force (small f)?
The alt universe started at some point, and allowed its own version of evolution.
Waru could have been from the metaphorical unknown regions, where theres less structure and life to begin with.
That’s…why they’re called the unknown regions… and not “Eternal Utopia”
I think I understand the case of Nihilus better now... Can it be true that what happened to him caused him somehow to be able to use anti-force while everyone else thought it was the power of the dark side, and that's why no one has a real explanation of who or what he actually is.. Think about it, the hunger and the idea that once he was done consuming the Jedi, he would do it to the Sith too, eventually over time if not stopped he would and all life in the galaxy maybe the universe.. That sounds like the anti-force lol even the sith needed life to accomplish their ends.. right?
Interesting
Ah damn- they found the Negative Zone 😱
~_~
Other space the anti-force and the other beings in this parallel hellish universe would’ve made a much better sequel trilogy if they made a TV show that would kill in the ratings
Very interesting!
These guys need Abeloth, just imagine Luke and Ben Skywalker finding a way to contact Abeloth and making a deal with her just to fight this new threat, try to tell me that wouldn’t be insane
Cheron (I don't think) would make it, unless they can survive all the other horrors out there.
This is extremely interesting. And twisted. Unknown Regions are pretty strange. And Other Space. I hope Luke and others will stopped them. I agree. They are huge threat. For life and all in general. Would be awesome to see this in live action. Or movie. We will be vary. May the Force be with you too :)
I just want, Jedi academy with Kyle Katarn, as well as legacy of the force and fate of the jedi book aerites.
I have a theory that The Nameless, and the planet they come from, are directly connected to Otherspace and The Anti-Force.
I think the anti force and other galaxies and alternative dimensions and timelines are better in legends continuety
The weirdest and probably baddest thing that could happen their is that there is a connection to the 40k universe
In the non-canon EU novel, Supernatural Encounters, Otherspace/Dark Illathurion is basically The Warp in certain areas. In the later eras it basically becomes the Mass Effect galaxy where almost all life has been wiped out. And it definitely wasn’t the Charon. It was by living nightmares, beings that’d induce madness upon prolonged exposure.
It's all fun and games till you meet a chaos god
as funny as this joke is, its actually pretty accurate in old EU if one went deep enough in the lore rabbit hole
If the species goal was to destroy all life in the galaxy and succeeded. Wouldn’t it then end its own life form.?
Charon is pronounced "Karon", not Sharon.
It's Greek.
Sooo, I can not be the only one that thinks the anti force and the force is like matter vs anti matter??? When the two combine boom? An as in the theory matter aka the force would come out ahead? Which would lead to a new form of force left behind?
What a terrifying thought 😊
So if the Force and the Antiforce ever met would they annihilate each other?
Anti-force, Other-Space, beings from different dimensions?! I like the simplicity of the Star Wars galaxy, the force, the light, the dark, the neutral. All of that other convoluted nonsense can stay in the realm of legends as far as I'm concerned.
Why? Too much to handle? I mean no offense by this course. But I thought it was rather interesting. Yes, it’s a separate galaxy. But in the same universe, which makes it I think more expansive. perhaps certain Darkside abilities were manifestations of the anti-force.
@@konnorrose3652 Well like I said I like the simplicity. I just see this as creators trying to add more to the world and lore but I find it starts sounding more and more ridiculous in which case they're not adding anything of interest to me. I guess I just have the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' attitude here, Star Wars is just fine without all this stuff thrown into the mix. If it works for others then fine, whatever, enjoy, but it's still not for me.
@@brokenrecord2941 that’s fair. I admit it probably would seem weird just adding the random stuff in there.
Ezra is the unknown regions and he’s stuck with monsters without his force powers
No, just no
What if we lived in the star wars universe would we live after seeing this
What if the force is actually the living force and the other is the dead force one is light but miss used while the other is true darkness.
Could the flying space whales that Ezra used to send him and thrawn off be from Other Space?
Unknown Region is just Warhammer 40Ks lil brother
What if the Anti Force had a chosen one?
something new!!!!
So 40k lives in this reality known as Other Space.
Does that mean it killed a Earthstander or dual to come to this universe
5 months ago 😮
I always wondered what it'd take for the jedi and the Sith to actually put their wars aside and fight together, and this is a good example. What if Yoda and Sidious had to team up against some Uber powerful threat like this? Would be kickass lol
So true bro!
Star Wars What If series Idea: Yoda and Sidious buddy cop movie.
I fail to see the difference between the Dark side of the Force and the Anti-Force…. Considering that the philosophy of the Sith is to conquer and destroy, not build, which is pretty much like the what the Anti-Force, that feeds of Death, do…
Space spiders greeeaat😐
❤️❤️❤️
I doubt Disney is creative enough to go there
Here's what bugs me about concepts like the Dark/Anti-Force, the Anti-God from John Carpenter's Prince Of Darkness, and the Great Darkness from DC Comics. So basically, the positive or neutral forces of creation are kind of depicted as semi-passive bro-dudes, live and let live, it is what it is, oh you foolish mortals go do your thing and don't bug us. Another one of your own videos showed the Dark Side of The Force has a practical side, as in 'If you kill whole worlds, you have no one and nothing to rule over'.
But then we get to these things, these entities that never knew light or thriving life, and in fact are dead set on exterminating all like a Dalek parody turned to eleventy. They cannot be destroyed, since they are the equals of the creator-entities, only sealed away and never spoke of again, by good or bad. They are super-acquisitive and rapacious, and they simply do not care about anything we associate with the basic goals of good or evil. So here's the problems: there have always been foolish mortals, yet it is only in the heroes' present that these things are unleashed. Creation, whether it is light/dark or just neutral, is semi-passive, only acting in defense of its prerogatives and overall survival of life. So we have these barely-sealed raptor-types always poking for escape and utterly unstoppable once out and attacking without let against a chill creation, and the question arises - why haven't they already won? Represented as the utter final end if they are ever so much as brushed against, why aren't the doors long past down?
I think that the understandable quest of some writers to have a really really nasty as all get out Big Evil leaves them with an antagonist with only one outcome - closing their seal again. While terrifying, they also end up as a boring concept, since their nature demands they simply move forward with no blocks, yet blocked they must be for the story to keep on.
does this mean that star wars could have their own version of a lovecraftian gods/evils in other space?
There are gods in the starwars universe. I forgot the name but in a comic book han solo and luke met a women god that was green
In the unpublished novel called "Supernatural Encounters" it is revealed that in the exceedingly ancient days of the galaxy, there was war between living + metaphysical gods (good and evil), literal demons, massive cosmic monstrosities, countless eldritch abominations, and the inhabitants of the galaxy trying to just survive. Only with the aid of Celestial knowledge did those who lived for good in the galaxy beat back, destroy, and banish the great evils of the forgotten past...
Just wait until they discover Australia
Day 111 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon