Why Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 Had The Best Ending for Everyone
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Neon Genesis Evangelion is finally all over, and as a longtime fan, I just had to give my thoughts on the final film, specifically the ending.
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Hey OniMaru which manga was the quote from Anno taken from
0:52 You mean to say that you only meant to play it for 5mins, then instantly remove it from your phone? You can only say this in your heart coz they pay you to read the script.
@@yagskie1984 nice burn dude
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Fuyutsuki was not ready for instrumentality but he went with Gendos plan all the way because he knew that Yuis plan was to stop Gendo and Seele right at the end and save Shinji because thats why she had her body and soul transferred into Eva unit 01.
I think that was the parallel as he calls Mari iscariot which was judas’s name. The one who betrayed the savior/god. I think that told how fuyutski truly felt about stopping gendoh but had to go along until the end just like the last supper.
Why was that Yui plan? You would say this is why she sacrificed herself? That is a bit of a paradox considering that Gendo only started considering the Human Instrumentality thing because she died. But maybe Fuyutsuki knew she would stop him when the time comes, so maybe it was not a plan from the start?
It makes sense yup
I would say Fuyutsuki's ultimatum goal was to see Yui once more as he was in love with her. Had he really wanted to defy Gendo in order to honor Yui's plans to bestow upon her son this bright future, he would've done it a long time ago or just not gone along with his plans from the very beginning. However, he didn't do it.
IMO, Fuyuutski loved her but realised it when it was too late. Part of me believes he went along to ruin Gendo's plan to get whatever little revenge he could.
I didn't realize that Asuka was aged up when she woke up with Shinji there. I *really* thought the artists were just like, "Let's rip up the latex to make her look exxxxxtra thicc. teeheeee"
I kinda hate it when people thought the sexual scene is for fanservice because it actually has purpose in the story.
I had goosebumps during that scene because it gave me flashbacks when I watched EoE as a child.
Is she really aged up?
@@wisnu7846 Yup! Shinji broke the EVA curse.
@@wisnu7846 only in Anti-Verse. When she came back in her Eva Plug her body become smaller again
its 3.0+1.0 because it ends the previous timeline and the beginning of the new world. Mari is the name added to the book of life, and is there to help Shinji break the endless cycle. she did not exist in the previous loops and thus was a stick shoved into the cogs of the machine to break it in the end.
As for Asuka being a clone at the end: in the final instrumentality with the golgatha object, the characters seem to become their prime versions, version of themselves from both nge and rebuild. Asuka is both shikinami and soryu combined as one. Gendo and Shinji both have memories from EoE and NGE, which shinji uses to give gendo the same therapy he received in EoE.
So how does the manga fit, that basically did this except keep Shinji in his prime to venture out. It’s also still total nonsense and Anno pussy pedestaling his wife. Why Mary? Why here the one who got Gendo and Yui together? How is she a better conclusion, what about her is there to actually know of?
"Mari is the name added to the book of life" is this ever stated? I can only imagine it from a Meta level ie Anno wrote her in. Even then, she barely interacted with Shinji which was dissapointing. And when is it clear that Shinji remembers EoE?
the only think i’m lost abt is what the book of life is, isn’t kaworu also in it with shinji? shouldn’t kaworu remember abt the last timelines after they started in the new world (no more angels world)
Shinji definitely had some sloppy steaks… his hair would slick back real nice.
People can change!
I loved this movie. 15 years ago I discovered this show, I was Shinji's age and I saw so much of myself in him. I've had my own stained relationship with my own father, it's only getting better now. Shinji and Gendo's final scenes really hit me hard. I feel like a part of my life has ended with this movie. But I've grown up, I have a family now I don't watch anime that much anymore like I did when I was 14, and I'm willing to let Eva go. It was a Great ending
I agree! I loved the movie too, especially the first half.
All the kids that I knew felt the same way who liked Eva series.
Thanks for sharing man, best wishes to you and your family!
Awesome, that’s why it’s the best it is a real life fe perspective.
It's so relatable because when 2020 started my dad was not acting like a dad to my mom, sister, or me which left me in a state of isolation not to mention some other traumatic stuff that happened those two years but right now he's changing and it brought me back to becoming social and bond with him more. Seeing this series resembled me and my dad's relationship, our depression, and our healing throughout these 2 years.
Hands down one of my favorite series of all time.
The documentary is a must watch for anyone that wants a deeper understanding of the series as a whole. Anno is Evangelion
Which documentary
Yes, I didn't get to mention it much in the video but I watched the two-part documentary after finishing the movie. It was really good!
@@OniMaru Which documentary ?
@@OniMaru Yeah, I especially liked seeing him taking all those pictures and videos 😁
@@karanvideos4175 it's called Hideaki Anno: The Final Challenge of Evangelion
(It's also on Prime Video)
We have been yelling for 26 years for Shinji to get in the damn robot. Little did we know that answer was to never get in it the whole time.
The real robots were the friends we made along the way
1.0: Get into the damn robot Shinji.
2.0: For the love of God, get into the damn robot Shinji!
3.0: Why the fuck did you get into the damn robot Shinji?!
4.0: I'm sorry, I got a little carried away there. You can get into the damn robot if you really want to, Shinji.
@@TheSorrel That was a scarily accurate synopsis of the Evangelion rebuilds....
Yeh Asuka caused it this time really
@@TheSorrel Shinji "its my robot and i'll cry if i want to"
The thing about Mari that clicked with me is that she's exactly who Yui was to Gendo: she just appeared and liked him for who he was and just rolled with it seeing the man he became after coming to grips with his past and emotions. You can see that glimmer appear in Asuka's eyes as they soften when she replies he grew up a bit during their last talk where the two girls visited his room/cage. Asuka's also alone at the train station during the ending, something that somewhat felt as a bummer to me, but at least Anno didn't do the "thirty year old loli" bullshit with her and kensuke either. at least she got "bigger" too even if we don't know where and if she hooked up
Didn't Anno confirm in an interview that the Kensuke at the end is a fatherly figure to Asuka instead of a lover?
No idea. I haven't seen or read anything about that but until confirmed or otherwise I'll happily commit this to head canon.
@@spikey556 I'm fairly sure he confirmed their relationship isn't romantic
Thank you for making sense of it for me
Except you forget that Mari was actually a scientist and was in love with Yui. And since only one could have gotten to work at NERVE (Yui), Mari went to work elsewhere (Seele). Which is why Mari is more carefree and more "mature". Mari is OLD!!! When Asuka said Shinji needs a mother, well, there you go. Mari even started cutting Asuka's hair, much how a mother would a daughter. And ironically, what Asuka needed was a Father. Everyone gets a happy ending except Village Rei, who didn't even get a name... RIP
Regarding the Rei at the end of the movie: in the scene where Mari is cutting Asuka's hair, Asuka complains about how everything about her stays the same except for her hair, which continues to grow, to which Mari comments that's proof of being human; seems like a scene to hint that Asuka has doubts about her humanity or that she's something more, but it's also a clue that the Rei we see at the end, who has years worth of uncut hair on her head (though if you want to overthink it, it's 4~5 years worth of hair and not 14 years worth of hair, but that's... splitting hairs), is "human" and thus the original.
Shinji and Auskua DID have a reconciliation and move into a ‘normal’ relationship. They both admitted to and accepted their feelings for each other in the past (even though in this instance they were largely not acted on) and then went on their separate ways in their separate lives (after the Neon Genesis reset). This is REAL to how normal people move on after relationships earlier in life. Shinji’s relationship with Mari is only possible because of the emotional acceptance and growth he experiences.
Or Because Mari is actually OLD af and was originally in love with Yui.
Manga spoilers?
Watching NGE, EOE and all of the rebuild films for the first time in the span of a month was one of the most insane yet amazing experiences I’ve ever had
i did the same in the span of 8 days + read the manga, just finished 3.0 + 1.0 today.
@@UhhEscapee dang that’s impressive. Who needs AP psych when you can just watch the entirety of Evangelion and learn everything you need to know in less time
Watched it all in one sitting the first time
Read manga too
Same here
Just saw the movie and I must say it put a good closure and I can accept the ending
I felt as if Hideaki Anno spoke to us personally in the movie and did a good job in my opinion.
Its time to move on and I look forward to his new work
When this song kicks in at the moment where Shinji & Mari running together, that's where grown men crying
Goodbye Evangelions
Thank You Hideaki Anno.
1.0 - you are (not) alone
3.0 - you can (not) re-do
To me the title reinforces one of the main themes of Eva as a whole: you must own up to your mistakes, no matter how hard, embarrassing, shameful it may be. You can not re do the past, you can not take back your mistakes, but you are not alone. You will have people besides you to help you through this, running away from them, from your actions, is running away from one’s self.
I also think it’s kind of a meta commentary on the Eva fan base. If Anno were to keep making Eva media, we would be there. But as long as he keeps creating, the characters will continue to suffer in this endless cycle of despair. This FINAL ending lets these characters live outside of us, happy and free. And while it’s bittersweet to see this series we love finally truly end, we all have each other, the Eva community, to lean on, to discuss this show with, to share our love and admiration of this work together.
Man, Eva truly is something special
Komm susser todd lyrics come to mind.
The problem with this interpretation, is that Shinji does "redo" everything by rewriting the world to remove the Evas, returning it to a much better, non-post apocalyptic fate
@@salokin3087 yeah, cause it's a fictional story and anything can happen lol. I'm not saying it's a perfect interpretation, but it's the one that makes sense to me in practical application. But Shinji is only able to re-write the world after everyone (Shinji, Gendo, Misato, Asuka, exc.) all face their past and come to terms with it and move on.
But in the end, it's my interpretation of this, and that is what makes eva so special: even the title can spark many different conversations. I'm curious as to your thoughts on the title? what do you think it means?
Hope you're well, friend.
Indeed! I am sad to see it end but am happy it ended this way
@@salokin3087 except he doesn't actually 'redo' anything. Everyone who died in the third impact stay dead. He doesn't rewind time or change the past, he simply removes the Evas from the equation and creates a world where the people who were around at that point in time could be happy. It shows that he's learned to let go of the past and move forward.
I been saying Mari was Shinji’s way out of the cycle since she was introduced. Maybe I’m biased because a lot of my theories were proven correct. Also the entire sound stage scene and the curtains being literally closed was soooo good
I feel well played by the director because i disliked here for 3 movies thinking she was arbitrary. But maybe thats shinji's perspective and the intention...the route to happiness seems trivial and empty to a depressed person- who knows if that was intentional but genius if it were
Mari has baggage from the Yui, Gendo & Fuyutsuki. Did you see her in the image that Fuyutsuki shows Shinji in 3.0 and he looks at before Tang in 3.0+1.0? Mari is really old, she was 18 when Shinji was a toddler.
Mommy gf confirmed
i think that by the end of 3.0+1.0, asuka has moved on as a person, rei is now able to move on as a person, kaworu is able to rest. Mari yes has baggage from yui, gendo and fuyutski. but unlike our OG cast shes already moved past the baggage by the time rebuild is already occuring. in the very very end where theyre in the normal world seeing asuka sitting there, rei and kaworu is more about the kind of person they are. in the new world they dont know each other but they kind of person they end up being growing up is more of a representation of where they would end up in the new world.
@@DerpyDimentio Yeah but the relationship/connection is not earned it just happens. We can make assumptions to fill in the gaps, but there is no character development on the part of Mari, she is just the last option for Shinji. She happens to be obsessed with him for unstated reasons. It was not satisfying for me.
I originally thought Mari was fanservice but the ending shows that Shinji was tortured by all of these one sided relationships, and Mari's personality is a little bit of everyone he craved attention from, but finally the feeling is a mutual connection
I like this theory
One sided? For Rei he literally ended the world. He calls upon her anytime he needs help, hell she is the first person he talks to after Kawrou head explosion. From what I can tell non of the relationships are one sided. It can be broken down like this, Rei is the first love but is on a clock. Is sickly and cannot live past a certain point. Asuka is the second who has a very stark and different personality but ultimately the two cannot be compatible. Mary is just fanservice, she is an entity meant to draw in fans to her personality that offers nothing. Anno wants her to be the new girl, she is more of an issue than the other two given her past.
@@predalien1413 I mean specifically the message of End of Eva, they all were just hurting each other and Shinji couldn't act because of his fear of abandonment. Mari just symbolizes Shinji letting go of his fear. You just have to move forward.
Mari is fanservice it was obvious how much Asuka is hated by the creator
Watch the anime then watch the 2 movies series that were made
@@gvi341984 Anno was secretly sleeping with Asuka’s voice actor for a while before getting married.
Wow the way you talked about shinji, asuka, Mai, the relationship is spot on. Makes 110% makes sense. I had to come to those turns as well. Ending was just fantastic. Gonna miss evangelion so much.. can't believe we have to finally say goodbye
With the asuka series issue. I assume she is a clone of her “mother” and she was the clone that was the most successful as a pilot and therefore ended the series of clones.
Always thought the cloned referred to the EOE her.
i wonder how kaworu ended up tho, i know we saw him at the train station but right before that, he went with a deceased kaji to work on the earth. i assume this was still in the anti-universe/instrumentality section, but why would kaworu end up in the train station then, if he found happiness after the whole shinji ordeal and him going outside with kaji?
It was very meta, the "old" characters moved on, but the ending shows the "characters" just existing as normal people in our world
It was the closure I needed, it wasn't perfect, but I guess that's also part of the message.
Guess what? Kaworu is in an endless loop where he'll encounter Shinji and humanity over and over again. This specifically leaves the door open for remakes or retellings.
@@wiser3754 nope. No Evas means by default that no impacts occur because impacts will lead to evas and angels
@@angellara7040 That's Shinji's Neon Genesis universe. Kawuro will awaken again in another universe and this will repeat again.
Even the tentative title for 3.0+1.0 had the music symbol 'repeat' or 'end repeat'.
@@wiser3754 he traveled to a place where destiny itself is rewritten. There is no other universe just one stuck on repeat not unlike the tape recorder and even gendo's stops at the end
I'm not convinced Shinji is in a romantic partnership with Mari. Sure, she makes the most sense if we're looking at it logically. But what we were presented was a flirty Mari (has always been flirty so nothing new this is repeated behavior that she does to Asuka too) and a flirty reciprocating Shinji (this is new he's confident now and is expressive and participating). Mari is the one literally leading Shinji out of the loop, literally pulling him off the beach and into his new life and timeline. That being said, I don't believe they're "together". I think that's shipping culture projecting. I believe they're friendly now and Shinji will eventually meet up with everyone else we saw at the train station. They're there. But "shipping" is nonconclusive and ultimately finding a partner isn't the point of the movies.
I think this is a valid way of looking at it too. Personally, either way works. It could've also just purposely been left ambiguous because like you said, ultimately, that's not the point. To me, based on their gestures, they just seemed a little more than friends, especially running off holding hands.
I think if we must ship shinji with someone, that someone must be Rei, in the last three film they were building a great relationship
this is completely how i took it too. mari is an outsider in a way to shinji (not sharing in or causing his trauma) while still sharing an experience with the evas. for me the buildup and the chemistry for a romantic relationship there doesn't make sense, and mari was flirty with everyone anyway. but, mari being an "outsider" accepting shinji for who he is after he has gained confidence and self esteem is symbolic of him forming his first relationship without expectations of personal gain, which solidified his whole character arc in the rebuilds. i feel like it works better as platonic but was left up to interpretation as romantic as well intentionally-- either way you go their connection still has the same meaning-- show casing how shinji has "grown up"
@@emikye I think that she is a characters that need more screen time with protagonist for an effective ship for how they show us she is a stranger for a relationship
Because they are good friends since ep26 when mari popped up to help hin reset the world. And in any other loop she does the same still possessing her memories of before
i think youre focusing too much on who + who in the end. i consider the ending of end of evangelion as one of the best endings i have ever seen because it is also kinda hopeful, but it cuts off right where we and shinji realise it, and i also dont think it means he didnt let go. what happened on the beach was the prerequisite for him to be able to let go.
at least thats part of my interpretation of it and a reason why i think its so brilliant. movies are a visual medium and i think eoe ending utilises the full potential of "show dont tell" in a poetic and amazing way, it says so much while little is being said.
Oh I wasn't being completely serious with my line regarding him choking Asuka. I actually really love the End of Evangelion because of how visual it is. It resonates in a way that this movie did not even though I am satisfied with it. However, I was trying to find the exact difference between the message of this movie and that one. Even though it definitely convey hope things can change, EoE's pessimism also does imply that the cycle of violence and self-hate will repeat while this one is more committed to breaking that by actually doing something about it.
@@OniMaru fair, appreciate the video either way. i look at it in a similar way, they did some great things in this movie when it comes to providing closure (epsecially gendo, what happened to him made me understand his motivation a lot more), and obviously the time loop aspect adds another dimension. even more so because he breaks it in the end, how can anything evangelion be more hopeful than that? i also thought eoe was a lot more symbolic but there are some interesting connections to unpack in this one too i feel like. at the end of the day im glad i watched it, think its a good movie
I watched the movie last night, and honestly, i felt very happy for Anno. The third movie in particular was very bitter and judgemental towards the toxic escapism that Eva fandom harbored, especially in japan. The way i felt the last part of this finalmovie, is him leaving behind his father's obsession and mistakes, accepting pain as an unavoidable aspect of reality, giving up the dream of finding happiness in a fantasy world with an idolised/idealized woman that turns out to be as broken (Asuka) or empty/fake (Rei) as him, and just giving to the world the most genuine and sincere version of himself. It's not partonising or overly cryptic, you just feel it was simply time to move on, let go, and look forward to new things. I'm so glad he was able to be as sincere and intimate with his audience to the last.
I think my only gripe, not really a shipping of shinjixasuka type thing is they never really showed her happy or her moving in that direction. Her story was always my favorite in the original and reboot and it seems like everyone found some sort of happiness except her. I think the ending scene kind of proves that even more.
You missed the scene where she says she just wanted someone to pat her on the head, and then she gets that person.
She totally did get what she needed now.
I think the way they explained it was that the Asuka we see in this series of films was the only successful iteration of the "Shikinami" series of clones, while the other versions of her were deemed unfit and thus scrapped. Which is why she is shown to have an inferiority complex throughout most of the films. Especially her feelings towards Rei, whose series of clones were probably competing against Asuka's as to which would be chosen.
In regards to Shinji ending up with Asuka or Mari, I felt like the ends of both EoE and 3.0+1.0 handled it perfectly for their respective stories' themes.
The original Evangelion series was about what it means to connect with others in a way that coincides with accepting reality and accepting yourself. Both Shinji and Asuka needed and wanted others in their lives, but due to their traumas, they always resorted to either running away or pushing others away. Having them BOTH wake up on the shore of a reborn and war-torn world that will NEVER rid itself of the evil scar of the Evangelions highlights that bittersweet feeling of hope that one can still connect with others despite your flaws as long as you are willing to accept them as well as accepting the flaws of others. Both Asuka and Shinji, in this situation, are very much like the world that they find themselves in, reborn but eternally changed, for better or for worse, by their past that is intertwined with the Evangelions.
3.0+1.0, as you said, represents a truly new beginning where the curse of Evangelion is finally lifted and brings about a beautiful and well-deserved blank slate for everyone. The Rebuild series seems place the utmost importance on the theme of letting go of the past and accepting the beauty that the future can hold, and thus Shinji ending the series with Mari represents that perfectly.
Both the original series and the rebuild series do indeed stress the dangers of escapism and the importance of facing reality, as you said, but do so in wonderfully unique ways. It is for this reason that I love both the Rebuild and Original series dearly.
True, but maybe some of people are to tecnical when try to find the logical explanation on human instrumentally project, seelee and gendo scenario that make it confusing. Example for myself i follow this NGE for 15 years and i dont know for sure about the the scenario, what alter it, what kaji and fuyutsuki doing precisely, the only thing that you can understand is the reason why they do it.
12:03 Unless Depression is symptomatic, people are seldom "cured". Anno has learned what has helped him tackle his depression. The love and experience of others. That is what Eva is about, really. Not just about tackling the otaku rejectionist philosophy, but also about getting in touch with one another in a meaningful way.
16:42-17:45 I get that's the intent, but it's undercut to me by how we don't get to actually see if Shinji letting them go actually lead to them being happier because it's solely thru Shinji's perspective. To me the message of "let go of Eva" rang hollow because (apart from Khara wanting to return to the well), in the end he could only connect this to the original via meta. This didn't feel like the characters letting go, but rather Anno telling us the characters are letting go.
Anno tends to lean a little too much into telling vs showing at the verge of becoming preachy. After watching the documentary about his struggle to make this film, it only confirmed that he originally wrote this more heavyhandedly in his original drafts. But it still worked for me because at this point I see Evangelion as being so intrinsically Anno that him being able to tie everything back together (even if it was meta, now that you mention it) felt triumphant because it also harkened back to the original TV ending, which he himself was satisfied with.
It also confirming the existence of the previous endings/timelines, which led me to believe that these characters would end up back in the same cycle unless something different was done this time around, and that's why I think I bought into it without having to see their happiness because everything before this was perpetuating a cycle of brokenness.
On another note, I didn't realize this until afterward but it's interesting that Mari was the only character not based on him. He doesn't identify with Mari and purposely left her development to someone else, so that she would be this external force outside of him that could help break the wheel.
@@OniMaru You would think so, but looking into it Anno was not the sole voice of Eva: half the show (including ep 4 without Anno at all) was written by the one writer who left after 2.0: Akio Satsukawa. And tbh I did feel that loss, cause he was in charge of many of the character focused eps including Kaworu.
That bit about ep 4 in particular stung because Kensuke being chad is owed entirely to him. And speaking of the TV ending, my biggest disappointment was that the ending for 4.0 ended up just being a minor tweak to the happy parallel world in ep 26.
Ooh interesting! I wonder how different 3.0 would've been if he was still onboard.
@@OniMaru See my theory is he originally was. 3.0 definitely felt like a sudden change of plans and whatever Anno had in mind maybe didn't sit well with him. Obviously this is conjecture, but I kind of feel the same way as when Hosoda split from Okudera Sato as his writer after Wolf Children. I'm ok with letting go of Eva, but only if it still feels like Eva. For a moment it did (I love the stuff in the village), but by the end it didn't feel like I was watching Eva anymore (which I'd be fine with if it wasn't aiming to be the answer to it).
Evangelion always came down to Asuka, Shinji, and Rei. Franchise wide, this was a constant. Mari interrupting that to end up with Shinji left a weird taste in my mouth.
Asuka and Shinji deserved that moment.
Btw what I got from Mari being with Shinji is that it symbolizes that even if life seems harsh and bleak at times. You should never give up in life or if its the same in realtionships where when you break up with someone you love, you feel as if its the end of the world and nobody out there can replace that feelimg you have with that someone you lost.
But if you accept things didnt work out for a reason, then open up your heart and give love a chance, then you maybe shocked someone out there who you least expect can actually make you happy.
19:08 Fuyutsuki was another guy who just couldn't let Yui go. And he barely knew her - she was just his student. They worked closely together for a few years and she was brilliant but she never gave him a tenth of what she gave Gendo. And Fuyutsuki never got over it in any of the redos.
Personally, I think the key point about Mari is that she’s the one who breaks someone out of their own world. (Maybe even literally breaking immersion XD ) So, as you mentioned, her narrative role matches what Anno attributes to his wife, but Mari here doesn’t have to do that romantically. Someone who suspiciously looks like Mari appears in Gendo’s flashbacks, breaking him out of his rut and getting him to meet Yui. I imagine her relationship with Shinji is similar; she’s the extrovert who pulls him out into the real world. They don’t have to be a romantic couple at the end, there, as Gendo did not pair up with the Mari-alike.
Really cool point about Anno’s wife, by the way, as that’s the kind of background not everyone is going to know! There’s so much fun symbolism to unpack in the last 30 minutes of 3+1, and thank you for going though a bunch of them!
3.33+1.11 is definitely my favourite out of the 4 film....for me the ending was perfect,all characters got what they deserved,and to be honest i don't how could he make a better one than this
Semmmm bruhhh
Considering the actual lore and ultimately how everything bad that happened went back to the big bad monster-robots, I think that yeah, getting rid of them once and for all did feel like the best option for moving forward.
Hell, this even happened after Shinji finally got back on his feet and learned to accept the loss of loved ones and relationships - so yeah, I also agree with your points here!
Great review! You made many valid points! Idk Asuka turned older in the movie until you mentioned it, lol. I was a bit disappointed toward the end by not getting my favorite ship. In addition, not seeing were the old characters are now in the world without EVAS. However, the ending we did get and the message behind it is wonderful!
I swear I’ve watched the third act like 7 times.
I am pretty sure that this was really the end of all Evangelion. How often did they say "Good bye all of Evangelion" in the last 15 mins?
yeah, it felt kind of unfulfilling for Shinji to end up with Mari instead of perhaps Asuka (who even acknowledged he was maturing), but at the same time its annoying in stories when all the same faces appear all the time in all the major roles in different versions of the original story, and it's somehow considered deep
I mean honestly I felt great for shinji hes with someone who bears no baggage as being with this person he can truly move forward without the past weighing him down
Somehow I think it represents he evolves from his psychological problems. Mari is much less problematic. Asuka and Rei and Kaworu have poor boundaries with him and he is infatuated with them via his and their neurosis, via problems and conflict, but gets a clue when he analyses their problems instead of just himself.
Yeh she is a bit of a blank slate "just the girl with glasses and big boobs" was a comment that alluded to that a bit. She lacks depth because unlike every screwed up character she is just not depressed! Thing is though she seems a bit psycho-manic at first, by the last film due to shinjis realisations its more like she just isnt as fucked up and might be the only character capable of actual happiness. Maybe happiness can look a bit blank to a depressed person, like they fear it, maybe its a kind of wiping the narrative clean and feels a bit empty afer extreme grief...could be the intended symbolism, to be less damn intense about everything, Shinji, the right way isnt victory but calm and a clear head!
Thrice Upon A Time, this is the third time Evangelion has ended. Also kind of feels similar to “third times the charm”.
Mari was the ONLY one who could give Shinji a fresh start. She was the only untraumatised, well-adjusted character. She was able to be ordinarily upbeat and flirtatious and fun, the way a first young relationship should be. He needed a light hearted new beginning. Life is very long. Exhaustingly. Anno by now is experienced enough to see that sometimes your life can remain stuck in the ruins of things past until out of nowhere Spring arrives, from some unexpected place. Something you know nothing about, but which is fresh and exciting. Mari was all of that. Ayanami was too maternal and lacked independence. Asuka was too negative, and needed someone she could make a fresh impression on, in order that she can discover a new possibility for her self expression with someone else, after all that she has been through. And it is better for Shinji that he can start a new life with someone with whom he has no history. After the trauma of his childhood but especially the very aging trauma of the war, Shinji probably feels a little bit old. If by any miracle there was someone out there who could both comprehend his experience and take a positive attitude towards it, it had to be Mari. Mari represented exactly what a fresh new relationship is - someone who's full depth is murky and undeveloped, who you start off from the very first step having a fun chemistry with from the start, which develops toward commitment and deep emotional bonding, but also has the airy-ness of just being fun, making you feel brand new again. By the way, did I mention Anno remarried...?...in 2002 to Moyoko Anno, a woman he cites as the inspiration for Mari's character?
Also, I kinda stan that he ended up settling the best girl debate with a tie for last. :P
i don't know how to feel that shinji and asuka go seperate ways and move on with life. they fit so good together since they went through so much together, but that's the hedgehogs dilemma i guess. they can't be together when they are both mentally unstable, i think that's what makes me sad (and it's kinda relatable)
Asuka move on long ago he doesnt like Shinji anymore if you watch it she say she is an Adult now what she have for Shinji is the past, and he already have something with Ken for the time skip thats why she was send back to Ken place.
@@louisekim3833 then why did she still look at shinji in secret when shinji was depressed ? And when asuka said "leave him be, he don't want to live yet don't want to die". Then Asuka see that shinji still don't wanna eat his food so Asuka forcefully shove the food into shinji. Why she did that if she didn't care. Deep down his feeling didn't change. That's why she blush in the anti-verse when shinji confess to her
@@B__SYAHRULMUBAROK care for someone doesnt need to be in LOVE that u need him to be in a relationship hello? haha. she just care for him and so does him. Is all said in the end they move on, blushing by someone said she Like u is also very normal like I said is past tense. If not she would do more then just shove food or hidding one side to check on him judge by her character base on.
@@louisekim3833 Asuka is pretty hyprocite with her action so it's how i interpret their dynamic. But man i'm still salty they didn't ended up together but mari is also fine
@@B__SYAHRULMUBAROK ya Asuka indeed is hypocrite for sure. I feel you , I always thought he will end up with Rei or Asuka. But the writer just deny all of us LOL, but I feel the ending is great at least is a happy ending for everyone that suffer in the anime
The pairing with Mari was forced and not built towards at all.
She was literally only in the show so the fanbase wouldn't rage when Shinji ended up with either Asuka or Rei.
The rebuilds were also about shinji & rei’s relationship to an extent and I wish we had a better conclusion to that, and rei having a better ending in general.
But, it is what it is and I’m okay with it.
The appearance of Yui is kind of a conclusion. Rei was a replication of here in part, and it implies Shinjis fascination with Rei is just grief for his dead mom. (And Gendo's grief too but thats always pretty obvious)
Neon Genesis Evangelion nearly drove me to suicide.
Seeing Shinji suffering is like seeing myself suffer, because at one point in time I was almost exactly like him, especially back in 10th grade when I was bullied to the brink of suicide. I simply cannot tolerate watching Eva. I felt forced to relive my trauma upon viewing it. I’m deathly afraid of it. Twice I had a nightmare where I saw myself as Shinji choking Asuka and starting the Third Impact. I’ve been struggling with this newfound depression ever since.
I was obsessed with the series for over a year to try and outwit the isolation of the Coronavirus pandemic. It only increased the burden, and kept the memory of my friend’s recent suicide alive.
Watching the End of Evangelion was like peering into a broken mirror, and I was viewing the hell I would’ve put myself through had things turned out differently, had I decided to give up living. It still haunts me to this day.
Sometimes I hate myself because I fail to appreciate what so many have claimed to idolize, and I beat myself further for failing to worship what they call praiseworthy, I forced myself to watch a show that reminded me of nothing but pain just so I wouldn’t be alone anymore, I was willing to sacrifice my individuality for some company amidst the isolation of the pandemic.
I sought emotional refuge in the Evangelion fandom on social media, hoping they’d understand me and provide me with answers that would grant me peace of mind. Instead, they downplayed my trauma, going so far as to spread a rumor of my past to shame me of my mental illness, spiraling me deeper into depression, which I’ve been struggling with for over a year now.
I just want Shinji to be happy, so this past self of mine can be laid to rest once more. I’m afraid to decouple myself from him after losing my friend to suicide, which Eva made me feel responsible for, especially when I saw Shinji kill Kaworu, of which I fail to understand how anyone can call it praiseworthy. Until then, I feel nothing else matters.
There’s a reason why I keep coming back to Evangelion; something that reminds me of nothing but pain.
I want to prove to myself I’m not crazy for feeling this way, that Evangelion really did force me to relive my trauma, that my depression is not just a figment of my imagination or another anime plot point. I want to feel that my fear and resentment towards Eva is justified.
But the fact I’m the only one I know in existence who’s been traumatized by an anime makes me feel like I really am crazy.
Whenever I feel this way, there’s something I remind myself with.
But finally, with 3.0+1.0 released, I can rest easy knowing that Shinji has finally reached the light at the end of the tunnel. Evangelion is finished, and I want it to remain that way.
But if things hadn’t turned out that way, I wouldn’t be here today.
Honestly, the ending was too optimistic for my taste. Seeing Shinji becoming a man at the end was a bit unearned, rushed, and unrealistic. I feel like people misunderstood what end of evangelion was trying to say. Shinji was able to improve by little bit, which is realistic. The best way to understand Eva is to pay attention and understand what characters are saying and going through rather than the action scenes, world building, etc because that’s what I did when I watched it the second time and finally understood why people say it’s one of the best shows of all time. the original show is just about a masterpiece in my opinion. Honestly I pretty much agreed with everything that Jobby in his review.
Mari is an interesting character. I agree that she wasn't fleshed out and looked like a incongruous add on, but the last 30 minutes changed how I viewed her, giving her a backstory. How old is Mari? From the earlier movies, we know she is older and mature, but how much older? Asuka was aware that Mari was older, calling her a "four-eye crone". How much of her past she knew wasn't clear. Fuyutsuki called Mari: Mary Iscariot. In his last moments, when Fuyutsuki looked at the picture of Yui and Shinji, Mari was in that picture. She looked to be in the same age range of Yui. We also saw Mari in Gendo's flashbacks. Mari with a lab coat was present at the hospital when Yui gave birth. She was either a grad student or a full-fledged junior scientist and probably older than 18 in that picture, but who knows as there are plenty of precocious high IQ characters in Evangelion like Asuka, who graduated college in her teens. In 3.0+1.01, if we assume Mari was 20 in that picture, she would be 20+15+14 = approximately 49-50 years old and perhaps even older. Four-eye Crone indeed, but kept young by being an EVA pilot.
The name Mary Iscariot is interesting and can be viewed in a number of ways. I know her full name is Mari Makinami Illustrious. Christian theology and Gnosticism were integral to Evangelion. Iscariot is derived from Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus. Fuyutsuki calling her "Mary Iscariot" was his way of calling Mari a traitor to their cause: the Human Instrumentality project. I don't think that this Mary was Mary who was the mother of Jesus, but Mary Magdalene who was a follower of Jesus and his wife according to Gnostic scriptures. This Mary makes more sense in the context of Shinji who became a god and changed the world, resurrecting the dead and eliminating Evangelions, and becoming Shinji's significant other in the new reality. Everyone else's minds were reset except for Shinji and Mari and this understanding or Gnosis circles back to Gnosticism. How much insight and power does this knowledge give them? That's up to speculation, but Shinji and Mari won't be tampering with the lives of Asuka and Ayanami. On the platform across from Shinji we saw Asuka sitting alone on a bench looking at her cell phone and Ayanami and Kaworu standing very close, like they're in a relationship.
Some final observations.
That explosive collar that Shinji had at the train station, symbolized a number of things. First that it wasn't all a dream and that reality with Evangelions happened. Second, Mari removed that collar, freeing Shinji from the past, including freeing him from his sins, starting a new beginning (Neon Genesis) with them running together out of the train station. Mari didn't give Shinji the collar back, but instead placed it in her pocket, saying symbolically "You're free. We're in this together".
Mari said: "You smell fine as usual. Like an adult". This wasn't the first time. When she met Shinji (Parachute Girl), she also said that Shinji smelled nice. There's a scientific basis for this as pheromones are responsible for this. It's a way of saying that we're compatible...we would be great in a relationship (genetically speaking). It was a nice allusion from Parachute Girl to Significant other over the course of the movies.
If she's 49 then why didn't she reset?
Like shinji became adult rei askuka kawaru became adult. They piloted eva too right?
Then why didn't Marie get to her 49 years old body?
@@Ash-dj5ph neither Shinji did age. On the beach you see a 28 year old Asuka but Shinji is still 14-ish. So I suppose this has something to do with the fact that Shinji and Mari are the ones who "reset" everything and came back from the Anti Universe, and they're also the only ones with memories of what happened.
I may be mistaken, but to me during the train station scene they both looked older. So I suppose that with the reset the Eva curse is broken and thus they can age normally.
That's just my interpretation of course.
Her saying "i am the girlwith glasses and big boobs" is alluding to that she seemed like an add on. But really perhaps she is only one without severe neurosis. Although, in the first three i though she was pretty much presented as a psychopath, there was suddenly humanity and identity in this movie
Solid theory
Personally I think that the Rebuild movies, 3.0+1.0 especially, are kind of heavy-handed.
It all feels like somebody told Anno that they didn't understand the original series and End of Evangelion, so he went and overexplained everything.
But I'm pretty sure that's what the rebuilds are for
Oh I agree with this, especially with 3.0. That's why I was sort of lukewarm on the rebuilds until this last movie because I felt like the message wasn't intended for me. But I love that this one tied everything back together and went a step beyond by closing the book on Eva for good.
In the documentary Anno does mention that, he tought that the previous endings were understandable, but latter found out that a lot of people didn't understand them, so with this ending, he wanted everybody to understand it, so he made it as clear as possible. In the documentary his staff tells him that the last part of the movie is rather complex, so he rewrote it and one staff member shows an email when Anno submited the changes where he says "I hope this makes it more understandable". So even this movie's ending got a rewrite.
Completely. I have always been a fan of the original ending. EoE was also a good ending as well, and also enjoyed the take on the distraught Asuka/Shinji relationship.
That was the best possible ending for the EVA franchise in my opinion. A clean slate for Shinji !
If you were given the opportuniy to start from scratch with someone you knew from the past would it it be with a person who share a half broken relationship with you that you will have to try to repair from the beginning ?
If you pay enough attention, Mary is close enough to Shinji, just enough for him to know that she is carrying the best aspects of every single person that he loved through the franchise without any toxic bagage this time :
she is energetic and a potential daily life compass like Misato was for Shinji when he used to live at her place.
she wants to nurture him which is the parralel with Rei and his mother Yui.
she is a natural and shines around an eva like Asuka did.
She wants the best for him like Kaworu did.
We can also notice that she is the one who is technically able and is actually saving him from the anti universe this time to start fresh (Shinji always carried the burden of being forced to make choices to save people he cared about which ended up in a disastrous or weird situation every single time with the other characters mentioned earlier). I'm pretty sure that it has a deep meaning for him.
Finally, Shinji is making a choice for himself not for us the spectators, so he is naturally ending up with the more mature and healthiest choice for himself this time around !
Thank you for putting my thoughts and feelings into a cohesive video
So with the time-loop theory being real, what happened to Asuka Langley Soryu? Is she the one on the beach at the end or is that shikinami, or are have they merged as one? Just confused on the whole Shikinami and Soryu thing ever since this time loop stuff happened
I’m still so confused about it too :(
@@juhlizza I guess it wouldn't be Evangelion if we weren't a bit confused haha
Yeah im still confused on that because like there are people saying "its just for nostalgia" well..like no because like I don't think they would really do that - why would you just put something in for nostalgia this is evangelion and hideaki anno were talking about here and like why would it just be shikinami in soryu's plugsuit when they just could've put her in her normal plugsuit from the movie... like? And why do the whole beach thing when it LOOKS EXACTLY like EOE.. So yeah I wanna know too if it is soryu, merged or...
Isnt asuka back to kensuke house there is scene when asuka entry plug land in kensuke house, but its still diferrent on shinji ending like they are on different timeline
I’d like to think Mari also represented strength through perspective and positive simplicity. Some people (like Shinji) take their own issues too seriously and get trapped from doing things they loved to do and grow because of their fears. i think when Anno dated his wife he probably had all these chaotic thoughts (likely caused by death threats and his already existing depression) that were pacified by the simplicity and motivating force of his wife being active, kind and reliable detaching Anno from the fear of the world that used to bind him.
I actually felt really really good after watching 3.0+1.0's ending and went for a walk, when I haven't even left my house in like 8 months. I guess anno succeeded in making me go outside. For one day at least.
When you watch the NGE series, EOE & the Rebuild movies back to back.
You would find out why Shinji didn’t end up with Asuka or Rei.
Asuka may have had feelings for Shinji throughout the series. How exactly did she go about expressing it? Put downs, verbal & physical abuse. On top of her own mental issues.
Shinji is self explanatory.
If the 2 of them were to enter a relationship, it would be very toxic.
I loved it because we asume shinji would get it right with Asuka, but maybe Mari is a representation that whats best isnt what we expect. Him piloting the robot when everyone told him not to saved the world according to Misato, which to me showed he was growing by NOT doing as he told and worrying about everyone else too much.
Mari was shoehorned in because she was a fan favorite from a previous property. It felt like fan service for Shinji.
To me Asuka always represented Neon Genesis Evangelion from Anno's perspective. This movie represents Shinji/Anno appreciating Asuka/NGE for all they are, but also moving on to the next person/project. By the end, Asuka/NGE is still in the real world, but it's not the focal point. Compare this to EoE, where Shinji/Anno treats Asuka/NGE with literal/metaphorical mastubartion. He brings NGE back, but it tells him he's disgusting for doing so. This ending is perfect because it allowed Anno to finally let go.
It's kinda weird that solution is rewrite everything and make it so that nothing happened.
Although it was flawed and left many unanswered questions as usual, I enjoyed the ending. I felt it was the closest thing we'll ever get to proper closure for a story that many of us have followed for a quarter of a century now. It also served as Anno's way of telling the audience that yes, he has overcome his depression and he's finally moved on, and that we all should strive to better ourselves.
3:40 That is the core (no pun intended) of the entire thing. Shinji is the redo of Gendo; what Gendo is doing for Yui is no different than what Shinji would do for Rei. It's the same. Shinji 'wins' by finally moving past it and just growing up and living a normal life.
Oh I loved the ending of this movie immediately. I thought the end of the series and End of Evangelion all made perfect sense but this felt like it really turned a corner and showed Shinji growing in a way that felt super satisfying after all those other endings. And I feel like Shinji ending up with Asuka would’ve been a bit too much of clinging to the past, and Shinji ending up with Mari let’s him completely move on to a new and exciting future without needing to be tethered to his past
Shinji ending up with Mari made no sense i thought it would've been Toji's little sister to be honest
I just want a slice of life ova
Personally, I genuinely think this is the most perfect ending to anything I’ve ever seen.
Oof.... Now that's a take. I personally hated it, it was actually a bruh moment.
I liked the End Of Evangelion movie much more but this one was cool too, i didn't expect it.
I saw another analyst point out that Mari makes more sense for Shinji to be with than Rei or Asuka, because she is new to the series and has the least backstory and baggage. Rei being a clone of Shinjis mother, even beyon the ick factor of that it would be Shinji moving backwards, symbolically falling back into his mothers arms, reverting to the womb so to speak. Meanwhile with Asuka, given their relationship in the NG timeline, multiple attempted stranglings and so forth, the two of them have too strained a relationship for it to really work. Honestly the best thing for both of them is to part ways on good terms. Meanwhile Mari, being the newcomer and stranger of the series, sy.bises moving forward, embracing the new even if it is scary, embracing life even if there is only a chance but no guarantee of happiness, which is kinda the whole point of Evangelion.
Hideaki Anno be like
"Kept you waiting huh"
I'm not entirely sure that he and Mari actually were together, I think that entire scene was just to show that Shinji really is now an adult and has enough confidence in himself to flirt back with a pretty girl when she flirts with him.
I wanted misato san to have a happy ending ;(
For Xmas 2002, when i was 13, I asked my dad for Death+Rebirth and EoE and it absolutely changed my life. I'd been dealing with panic attacks and serious anxiety since kindergarten and by 13 was developing bipolar disorder, I was doing alternately very well and very badly, and it really gave me hope. That even when I was suffering, I could still always imagine a future where I didn't. I really credit EoE with helping keep me alive these past very brutal, very incredible 19 years. My life has gotten much better over the past two years (weirdly enough), and it felt satisfying to see that Anno and Shinji grew up with me.
Is it confirmed that Shinji and Mari are dating? I considered it but didn't get those vibes. Her character has just never respected people's boundaries lol... I think the idea there being that Shinji wasn't bothered by her coming into his space (His AT field, if you will) and even flirted back with her. I initially almost felt that her and Asuka were in a relationship due to how Mari acted earlier in the film, like some kind of housewife almost lol. So it's easy for me to think she was just being Mari and the scene showed how comfortable Shinji had become to letting people in and just... Existing. Of course maybe I missed some clue! I didn't look to see if there was a wedding band or what not.
I also think that the reason those two are together at the end is because he sent everyone else out and he and Mari got trapped in the Anti-Universe (I think that's the name) because she came back for him. The end of the movie seemed to be them meeting up at the train station where they could come back to reality. I know they used real world imagery, but I took that to mean it was the world without Evas.
I'm also not convinced that no one will remember what had occurred, because with the power that comes from the impact I could see him deleting the Evas and allowing everyone to keep their memory. The memory is important to Shinji at this point. To have people forget would defeat the purpose and the growth everyone experienced. It's why he didn't want to start over. If you're going to change things about people's memories, essentially deleting their personality ... Well then, you might as well rewind. Given everything with Rei and trying to find herself, only to have to start over everytime a clone was replaced. I think it would be against his character to do that since it seemed to always hurt him to watch.
Sorry for the long reply, hopefully someone will read this anyway. 🤣 It is Eva after all, hard to enjoy such a metaphorical and complex show without enjoying long detailed discussions about it.
It might be because I wasn’t as invested in the romance part of the original show (I always thought, above all, Shinji needed to learn to love himself), but I think Mari being with Shinji is believable because she is the first character he interacts with after he learns to accept his flaws. Basically, Mari is the first person that he is able to interact with with his new perspective on life.
That being said, I feel like Mari could’ve used LESS development to make a better story. If less mystery was attributed to her, the expectations set on her wouldn’t have been as high. I’m especially referring to the ‘Mari Iscariot’ line and her presence in Gendoh’s backstory.
The theme of Evangelion seems to always encompass learning to love yourself so you can love others and be loved by them, so, to me, this ending satisfies that while also showing that Shinji was able to internalize that lesson and practice it. While it may not be with a person we’re familiar with, it was the person he chose.
LoL at the line about Anno doubling down. Loved that delivery.
I was initially upset Asuka wasn't in the final scene, but after watching it again, there she was! She's sitting on the bench! I'm fine they didn't end up together, sometimes life works out that way, and that's ok. The key is to hold on to the memories and the good times spent as you move ever forward in life. A good theme and a fitting end for the series. Overall it was a great run. Thank you, Anno
I loved the new ending. Shinji not only gets closure, but he gets the opportunity to confront and work things out with EVERYONE. The side characters that disappeared toward the end of the original series play a role in helping Shinji recover from the guilt of causing the N3E, which he never did in the original and was almost always a floundering passive character until the end where he makes a crucial decision, but the results of that decision were vague and even pessimistic. We get to see the aftermath of Shinji's critical decision, Yui's actions make much more sense, the characters, if not redeemed, at least admit they were wrong. No Misato "adult kiss" or Shinji jerking it onto a comatose girl.
I liked Mari because she showed Shinji genuine affection and support when it was pretty much transactional for everyone else. Asuka was bitter and mean with the affection she spared, Rei was aloof and cold a lot of the time, Misato tried her best but doesn't know how to nurture anyone due to her losing her own father early and prioritized the job. Ever since she was introduced in the 2nd movie,, Mari gave Shinji pet names, helped him rather often, said things to make him feel cool, and even encouraged him to be a hero. This was all reiterated in the end when it's her that gives him the new spear and comes for him at the end. She is the variable that makes the critical differences from the rebuild and EoE.
The original tried to kind of make the fantasy world uncomfortable and characters to get people immersed in the real world instead. The rebuild celebrates the real world and encourages connection with others. Same message from different angles, a perfect compliment to the original series in my opinion.
I partly feel like with the ending majority of the cast (Rei, Asuka and kaoru) all had kind of toxic relationships with Shinji. Not saying that any one character were toxic but people can sometimes cause toxicity in one another. With him ending with Mari is a new beginning with someone that will not throw him back into that funk or toxic way of thinking. Not having a problem with them and still loving them but knowing that they are better off not together so that they can continue moving forward. Also I feel like rei symbolized innocence of a child while Asuka was more of a teenager and Mari symbolizes a full grown woman. Hense why at the end shinji ends up with her as he has grown into a man.
"Had a ending for everyone"shippers: so you choose death
This is basically You Picking which Ending you like the most in each movie.
Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo
Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone
3.0 + 1.0
You Can (Not) Redo [but] You Are (Not) Alone
My only gripe, while I agree with Mari being a clean date, i wish we had more info on her, thats what makes it feel unearned.
I get shes like in her 40s and knew gendo and yuri, but why was she sent to Tokyo 3 in the first place? When she arrives in 2.0 she mentions something about orders, so... why, did she forsee the events of TuaT? If so is she like a catalys or a dog or something, I just don't get that. Of we had more info on her, then it would have felt earned.
Also wish Asuka wound up with Kesuke or something, rei wound up with Kowaru, shinji ends with Rei, Asuka is on the train station alone...
But I agree with everything you said.
From what I know most fans didn't like how Asuka and Shinji didn't end up together, and I agree with them.
i think it's good to be honest. Asuka had moved on from when she liked him. They aren't compatible partners imo
Theyd probably kill eachother after a few months i do not ship that
I don't know if anyone has said it yet, but the Asuka clone isn't really a thing. What's the movie seems to be saying is that they are going through a never ending cycle. The Asuka she met inside the Eva is either one of or the first incarnation of Asuka. When you look at Kaworu when he first woke up all around him are coffins. On his left was his previous incarnations. The unopened ones were the next. It's not until Shinji chooses neon genesis when the cycle finally ends.
Kaworu keeps on dieing and resurrecting within the Rebuild timeline, that's the only "cycle". The visual references in the last part of the movie are just that, metareferences to the Evangelion franchise, they don't imply a literal connection between the two stories. This movie showed that the Rebuild world is significantly different than that of the original series, there's just no way it's the same timeline.
Even though I really wanted to see Asuka and Shinji together in the original anime and first two movies, I have to acknowledge this movie was acknowledging sentimentality and the audiences own attachment. So... Asuka and Shinji, or even Rei and Shinji, would have played into those dated attachments. They acknowledge the feelings were there, but they're older now. V much realistic to how real life crushes play out.
25 years for a sequel to only get a new character ( Mari ) that no one wanted. Most of the movie nothing happens until the end and then we get a rushed ending with unexplained events.
14 years and nothing happened? Huge gap for a lot of nothing
Mari was basically a clean slate. Someone with no baggage or history with him. It feels right even though I didn't care about her at all lol.
To me, i feel like the ending definitely depends on your emotional state at that point and for me i was definitely ready for this ending. It genuinely made me happy
Gotta be honest: I completely missed that Asuka was supposed to be an adult when she woke up on the beach!
The answer about the whole Asuka clone thing is, “Don’t worry about it. Now go outside and have some fun.”
We as an audience don’t need to get to know Mari for Shinji as a character to develop a relationship with her over time. For him to end up with Rei or Asuka wouldn’t be good for him in the longrun, as he has historically had unhealthy relationships with the both of them. Him and Asuka had already acknowledged their feelings and acknowledged that they had moved on, and Rei is literally a clone of his mom.
Yeah that the whole porpose why they make mari appear when she was gendo and yui work friend before shinji born
Here´s a possibility that no one talks about, Shinji could also end up alone no Asuka, no Rei, no Kaworu, no Mari no anyone. People can be happy by themself and linking being happy to having a partner could be pretty dangerous to everyone involved.
Sure, some people are like that but Shinji defffffinitely isn’t.
@@user-ee1fn4vt8b Shinji from the rebuilds is kinda like that tho, he didn't need a romantic gesture to came out of his depression and fight, there was Rei but they were friends and he already knew she was basically his mother so no romance in there (at least i hope).
Also there isn't any romantic or sexual symbolism in instrumentality this time, so we know Shinji isn't craving that kind of connection.
@@user-ee1fn4vt8b he is. He's now a 20 some year old man who grew up and can choose his path not some kid who needed a mother
I would've preferred this honestly, it felt bizarre he ended up with anyone, especially Mari
I think I would’ve definitely been less thrown off by the ending on my initial viewing if he was just left alone, but hey, either works for me at this point. He got to move forward, and that’s something he did on his own
ppl are getting salty about this movie bc I didn't live up to whatever the projection of that ending they had. That's not what you wanted and it will never be. That's what the author wanted and what he wanted you to see and finally understand his beautiful mind. It was meant to be this way and it's way easier to get when you take it at face value and appreciate it.
Oh I’m not salty about it. I’m pretty satisfied with the movie. I just wasn’t sure how I felt about the ending at first. It took me a few rewatches to really have it sink in. There’s a part that I didn’t include in the video where I said that the creator tries to give an ending that makes the most sense for the characters even if it’s not necessarily what people want.
@@OniMaru ah sorry I didn't make it specific enough, thus I meant the people on the internet are getting salty about this movie bc I didn't live up to their expectations, not you, my friend. I wish more viewers had more open-minded attitude. all good with us maru-kun
Oh whoops, that was on me. I read your comment too quickly. Thanks for watching!
Even though I haven't watched it yet which I'm going to do after my exam ends , just know that I always wait for your videos:-)
Also could you perhaps look at Bungo Stray Dogs? I believe its also a highly underrated anime in that sense that not many people know or talk about! You might like it! Each and every character is actually a person that existed in history and their backstory if diverged has a uniqueness to it!
Half naked asuka?❌
Farmer rei?✔
I wanted Asuka and Shinji to end up together and have a happy ending. But just as what you said, they are both broken, realistically it wouldn’t end up very well.
Mari is the best choice as she is someone who can help Shinji to move on from his scarred past.
Great video! This series is really something special. I love how it means different things to different people depending on what stage of their life they are in.
So a mentally 16 shinji is dating a mentally 52 Mari?
Where you go buddy
Ooooooor, him being separated from everyone else except for Mari on the train station does just mean they have nothing to do with each other anymore, not a trace of Eva left, not a single thing caused by something that doesn't apply to real life is gone except for the characters
I think, there should be an after credit scene, where adult Shinji in shooting set and says goodbye directly to the viewers, with all cast in the background chatting to each other and cleaning up the set
I literally shipped Sinji with every pilot expect Mari 🧎🏽♀️