If I had studied the wedge sled and watched jerry Bennett’s videos before bothering you, all my questions would have been answered. The wedgie sled does take out all the guess work! Now I gotta buy me some of those wedges! Thanks for your help!
Hi Gord, I'm 76 years old and have only been working with wood for about 3 years now.I made my first wedgie sled as close to perfect as I could with my woodworking skills at that time.I was horrible and I was pretty disappointed in it and in myself.A couple of days later,after I settled down,I checked my 2 fences on the sled.They wern't parallel,straight or plum!I had made them out of some 3/4" x 2" wood from Home Depot! LOL They had actually started to twist a bit too! Long story short(if it's not too late for that)I made a second wedgie sled out of 3/4" MDF and also made the sleds from that as well. I started thinking about how much the cheap wood moved and decided to give every part of the new sled 2 coats of sanding sealer and 3 coats of clear shellac trying to prevent any "wood movement". I've used the sled for a bit over a year now and it still cuts perfect segments every time. So,,,,as you said,,,wood movement is very important to consider with a wedgie sled! Thanks for the video,,, Tom
Thank you for the input, Tom. With the sanding sealer and shellac you may not have any problems with wood movement. Personally, I try not to use MDF for anything that might encounter any kind of moisture. I also don’t think I have the patience to do the sanding sealer and shellac treatment that you did. Obviously, I am a lot lazier than you are! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching, Tom! Happy turning, .....Gord
Your detail and patience amazes me. I'd have increased the size of my firewood pile and taken up drinking before ever getting even close to a solution. Thank you once again.
I learn something new every time I watch one of your videos. I've been using a sled to refine the edges for quite a while. It never dawned on me to put a couple clamps on it. Way to go.
Hi Gord, I too have experienced wedgie board changes. My solution was making one from corian material. Was able to dumpster dive a local corian subcontractor for countertops. So material was free. No more issues! Keep up the great work!
A wedgie sled is so simple I thought there is no way it could fail. Well, so much for that thought. Now I have to go to the shop and lay a steel straight edge on my wedgie sled fences. Although my fences are MDF which is generally pretty stable. When you described the problem my first thought was the saw blade. A dull blade can be problematic too. I have had dull blades produce bad wedges. Thank you for sharing Gord. Have a great 2021 and stay healthy.
Wow Gord! What a great teacher you are. Thanks so much for yet another beneficial teaching. I've done really small segmented turnings (5" bowls) but eventually I'll want to do bigger segmented work. I've saved this video for then. I'll also double-check my homemade sled. It was cutting perfect angles when last used but that was months ago. I would NEVER have thought to re-check the sled had I not watched your video. 😵💫 Thanks again for sharing! 👍🏾
I've said it before, and I'll continue to do so. You are fantastic! That was so informative. I appreciate you sharing your struggles and fixes. Thank you so much for the shout out. That meant the world to me. Stay safe Gord. -Magen
Excellent information. Another vitally important point about the wedgie sled, is that not only do the sides of the fences must be flat as you pointed out, but they must be parallel. If they’re not, you will always have a gap. I like your method of trueing up the rings with the table saw.
Yes, that's just one more thing I forgot to mention, Greg. If I ever publish a video without forgetting something I meant to say it will shock the heck out of me!! Thanks for pointing that out. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Gordo. Just finished my first segmented bowl and am hooked. Always looking for ways to dial things in closer so I enjoy the informative content.. Also enjoy your native cheery disposition. We need it right now.
Thank you, Seth. It is very easy to get hooked on segmented turning. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. It’s one of my very favourite ways to spend my time in my shop! Thanks for watching!
I have enjoyed watching your channel for many years and have always thought you excelled at making segment circles so I know this issue was something that drove you batty but I also know you would find the problem and find a good remedy to resolve it. Keep doing as you have always done. Even a old woodworker can find several nuggets of information to help improve my work. For that I thank you greatly!
Old?? Nah!! Couldn't be, James. I'm sure you're at least as young as me and I haven't felt the need for a nap for at least 20 minutes!! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Hi Gord, when gluing half rings,instead of using dowels, use a wood strip long enough to catch both ends of the ring.that forces the ring ends to be flat and straight with each other. The halves will go together without sanding. Jerry
Thank you for the advice, Jerry. I had been under the impression that using the dowels allowed the half rings to swivel a bit to close up. I will give your method a try. Thank you again. I admire your work more than I can begin to tell you! Thanks for watching! Happy turning, …..Gord
@@GordonRock1 Thank you Gord, I am assuming the segments are cut correctly and it is just a gluing time problem. I also when gluing up a ring I will butter them all up but keep them apart until they are all done. Then put them together. Jer
Gord, you might want to look into using some scrap counter top material like Corian for the arms on the sled. It won't move with temperature and humidity fluctuations.
Thank you, Billy. I did look into getting some Corian but it's real expensive up here. I even tried to buy some cutoffs from cabinet shops and they think it should sell for just north of the price of gold. Thanks for the tip anyway, buddy! Keep getting better, my friend. .....Gord
Hello Gord, very nice video! I made some 112 segment rings for a vase, 16 times 7 , so glued 7 segments together with a fast glue and clamped them with my hands, then the 16 blocks in a hoseclamp. it worked well.
112 segments? Holy cow, that would mean 1.6° cuts to make the segments. Those must’ve been either very short segments or in a very large piece. I’m not sure I even want to try that, to be honest. Glad you like the video, Peter. Thanks for watching! Happy turning, .....Gord
Gord I take my hat off to you again my friend you have the patience of a saint and your talents and craftsmanship just blows me away, thanks for a very informative video 👍👍👍
You are too kind, Gavin. I appreciate the kind words but my wife might argue the point about me being patient. The only time I am patient is when I'm in my shop. It must be the aroma of sawdust. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching, Gavin!
Gord, I appreciate your chanel. You do great work and I learn a lot. I made a dedicated sled for 60 segments and glued up 20 at a time using the rest of the segments to help with the glue up and it it came out perfect. Thanks for the inspiration. Tim
Well, fine, now I have a headache to go with my no electricity boredom! A very fine set of instructions, Gord. Easy to see a LOT of thought went into, not only the solution but this video, too. Very well done, Gord! Phil
No electricity? It must be tough getting your lathe up to speed. 😢😢😢 Sorry to hear that, buddy! I hope that doesn’t last too long! Glad you weren’t too bored with the video. Maybe you will be inspired to try segmented turning??!!?? 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching! Stay safe, .....Gord
Hi Gord, I truly enjoy your videos. What I use and so far it’s working for me is UHMW strips. It comes in various thickness and width. Many thanks, I have learned a lot from you.
Thanks for the kind words, William. I have used UHMW but I don’t have any and I work with what I have. Once I realized what the problem was it was a simple matter to just joint one edge of each of the boards and then put them through the tablesaw to make those pieces parallel. I do appreciate the input. Thanks for watching!
My pleasure, Charles. Obviously I never thought of it either until I started having problems. I was just happy to finally figure it out! Thanks for watching! 😃😃😃🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Happy turning, .....Gord
Hi Gord, this was a great video full of lots and lots of very good information. I guess I will need to mill out a 60 segment wedgie now. I know what you mean about trying to glue that many at one time and hope they all slide together. I like to use Baltic birch for the rails on the sled as they do not move around much. Fantastic and very informative video my friend, Gary
Baltic Birch is a great idea. I will have to see if I have some. Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching! 👍👍👍👍 Stay well, buddy! Happy turning, .....Gord
Thankyou for the video, I just got a drum sander and will be doing segmented turning, my problem so far is routing the groove on the wedgie sled. I have tried 3 times and they are all in the trash. Any hints for that?
Hi Maryke, There is a video on Jerry Bennet’s channel called “Making The Wedgie Sled”. I believe it will answer any questions you have. If not, let me know and I will try to help. I hope you have as much fun with it as I do! 😃😃😃😃
very clean work Gord. have you considers losing the rulers of the sled and just using the segments spacers like Jeremy Schmidt did? That way you use the perfectly cut angles.
No, I haven't thought about that. I haven't seen Jeremy's videos. Too many RUclips turners, too little time! Thanks for the tip; I will look him up. Thanks for watching! 😃😃😃
Great clip Gord, you’re refreshing as you really should be. I’m facing that problem momentarily, so am going to remake my wedgie sledge using man made phenol sheeting. Thanks.
No problem, Thomas. It was you who suggested the 60 segments so you are entirely to blame for this! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching! 😃😃😃 Happy turning, .....Gord
So I have a question 🤔. I'm trying to make a ring that's 10 segments and is the 4 inches, And another that's 10 segment ring but it 11 inches. Every time I try to get the 4 inch and 1/4 or bigger and the same thin goes for the 11 inch ring but that one is even larger, like it would be 11 inch and a half or 3/4. Do you have any idea on what I can do to fix this problem?
If I understand your question correctly, you need segments for the 10 segment ring, 4 inches in diameter and they would need to be 1.257". The 10 segment ring at 11 inches in diameter would need segments 3.456". Does that answer your question? If not let me know and I will try to do better. Also, I often make my segments a bit wider than I need them and then a bit longer as well so that I have some extra to turn away. Getting the rings to the precise dimension can be very difficult. Good luck with them! .....Gord
After my move. OMG it's been over a year. New shop (steel building), new saw (3hp SawStop), new thin kerf saw blade, new wedgie sled (old one doesn't fit). Just cut first segments about a month ago. I have gaps! Checked fences, OK. Bought a Pete Markham sled, still have gaps. I wonder if it is the thin kerf blade. I will go back to regular blade next month (Jan 2024). Holiday season to busy for woodwork. Checked blade alignment. Out about .003. Too much? Added blade stiffener. Any thoughts from you? Have a great holiday and stay safe. I pray your health is improving. Take care my friend.🙂🙂
It is very annoying when your wedgie sled gives inaccurate segments. You said you have a new wedgie sled; are you using the same wedges you used with the old sled? Were they accurate on the old sled? I can't see why the thin kerf blade would make a difference. It is just going to cut parallel to the slots on the tablesaw. The angle that is set by the wedgie sled is going to be what makes the difference. I don't believe that .003" is too much. We all want our alignment to be perfect but for most of us that is just a dream. I really don't know where to go from here, Glen. I am very curious to see if there is a difference when you go back to the regular blade. I'm sorry I'm not more help, my friend. Have a wonderful Christmas, Glen. I know you are living close to family and I'm sure that will be helpful. 🎄🎄🎄 Take care, my friend, .....Gord 😃😃
Great video Gord. I have not attempted segment work yet bt when I do your video will help me to better understand the principles. Cheers, Stay warm & safe, John
Gord, I never trust plywood for fine edge work. I use 15 minute open time PVA glue for my segments, and start with a dry test run using pine; making spares, and numbering them. Each edge is sanded on paper over a plate glass shelf and test fitted; turning over if necessary, as I find that can make sufficient difference. I must confess my way takes patience, and so far have not made rings of more than 14 segments. Still a beginner at this, I use the bandsaw, with a correction factor for its protractor, and flip the wood. It's a slower and more gentle process than using the table saw, especially as the blade must not deviate nor flex. Perhaps I've been lucky so far. Bernard.
That does sound like a lot of work, Bernard. As long as it works for you that’s all that matters. There is almost always more than one way to do anything in woodworking. Once you find the way you like to work why would you change unless you find an easier or more efficient way!?? Thanks for watching!
Hi Gord, have you tried glueing up segments using a slow cure epoxy? The one I use has about 45 minutes open time before it sets up. Now I need to go check my sled and make sure it is still accurate.
No, Lyle, I haven’t. I don’t believe I have seen an epoxy with an open time that long. I usually see 5 minute epoxy but maybe I just haven’t been looking for it. Thanks for the tip. 👍👍 I will have to look for it. Thanks for watching!
That was very informative Gord, I really like the sled idea for cutting the rings straight. Really looks like this put you through the ringer, but you came out the other end smooth and dry😁😎👍
No, Daryl, it isn’t that simple. If you use just one rail it would have to be at an absolutely perfect angle! By using two rails if one of them isn’t perfect the other one will make the difference needed. I’m not sure I’m making sense. Because the wedge already has the angle built in, when you switch from one rail to the other it will compensate. I believe it will make more sense to you if you try building one with one rail and doing some test cuts. That way you will see for yourself what I mean. I don’t think I can explain it very well this way. There are a lot of videos on RUclips showing how the Wedgie sled works. You might want to take a look at some of those. Sorry I’m not doing a very good job of explaining.
Hi Gord, As others have already said, great video explaining where and how things can go wrong but more importantly how to put them right. I love the table saw remedy. Brilliant video Gord and one I'm keeping for future record. Take care my friend. Cheers, Huw
I don't know if I have ever shown anything on a previous video, Calvin. I have way to many videos out there to claim that I remember everything (anything?) in them. Is there something you feel you need to have explained. Let me know if I can help and I will try to do it. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
@@GordonRock1 You had mentioned about glueing up a partial segment on the 60 segment ring. I was just trying to figure out how you clamp a partial segment.
Sorry, Calvin, maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Because there are 60 segments I am not able to spread the glue quickly enough to do the clamping before the glue starts to dry. My intention would be to glue 15 segments but put the entire ring together and clamp it. I would repeat this after the glue dries with another 15 segments. I would repeat this until I had 2 30-segment half rings which I would then glue together into one ring. I have yet to actually try this so it may take some trial and error to get it to work properly. I hope I’m making sense. Please let me know if I am not!
Gord, you talked awhile back, about using pure alcohol with sanding sealer for food safe bowls. I’m in Ontario and can’t find where to buy it.LCBO says they won’t sell 95% to individuals. Any suggestions.
The alcohol I use is called Everclear and it is 95%. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t sell it to you. Could it be just someone in the one location being hard to get along with? Maybe try a different location? Sorry, I don’t know where else to try. Seems kind of silly to me!
Well yeah!! 😃😃😃 Just kidding! I lived in Ottawa for 6 years and it seemed pretty advanced to me!! I loved Ontario but the Toronto area was way too busy for a small town boy like me!
Always something new. Never thought of using the table saw...Thanks as always Gord. Hope they are dispensing the vaccine up there in cold country. It’s getting into full swing down here in Texas. Stay safe.
Glad you liked it, Gary. Yes, we have the vaccine up here, too. Of course, a young fella like me will have to wait for the OLD people to get their shots first. 😂🤣😂🤣 Stay healthy, Gary! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
@@GordonRock1 👍 As I am 83 I’m second in line. Getting mine tomorrow. Can’t wait to get back to “normal”. Thanks again for all of the videos that helped keep us sane these past 10 months.
I’m glad you’re getting your shot, Gary. I’m looking forward to getting mine, too! You could probably tell that I was kidding about being one of those “youngsters”. But we’ll just keep that between the two of us, okay!!?? 😃😃😃 Stay healthy, my friend!!
Well, Gord, that was interesting. Since I don't turn, that's one less problem I will have but it was still informative to see your technique. Have you tried Titebond hide glue? it has an even longer open time. Just remember - 1...2...3...4...5...oops. Take care. Bill
Good catch on the warping of the wood. I guess that's why I made my wedgie sledge from mdf. (Not on purpose just that's what I had handy at the time, Lol) I will be checking though to be sure it's still straight.
You might want to use my method for setting up the segments for your ring...count the number of segments on your fingers. Works nearly every time. LOL! Seriously, would making the guides of you wedgie sled from MDF instead of wood? I hear it is very stable and resists movement. One drawback from this idea is the MDF is softer than wood so it is more likely to be damaged during use. It might be worth a try.
The sad thing is that I thought I had counted them, Gil. Unfortunately, once I hit ten I have to start over. It makes counting to 60 a real challenge!! 😃😃😃 The thing I don't like about MDF is that just carrying a glass of water into the shop seems to make the MDF swell in certain areas. Okay, I might be exaggerating just a little! But I never use MDF for anything that I have concerns with moisture of any kind. I appreciate the input though! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Garry not Linda. MDF is a poor choice for anything like that. I made a bandsaw sled out of it a year ago. It has grown so much it is totally unusable now even in the dead of winter. I also made a bandsaw fence out of it. No longer square and I thought I did a good job of reinforcing and cross bracing. No, there is no place in my shop for MDF for anything. It isn't even good firewood.
This may seem to be a daft idea but do you think it would work. Pin the setting wedge to a board and use that instead of the adjustable arms. If the setting wedge is thick enough it should work. by the way I never have a problem listening to your words of wisdom.
Fred, I'm sure that would work. I haven't tried it but it's certainly something to think about. I appreciate the input and your kind words. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
That’s true, Steve, but I don’t work with metal so I don’t see that happening in the near future! Thanks for watching! Stay safe and healthy! Happy turning, .....Gord
Hi Gord enjoy watching your videos and I learn alot from you guys who take the time to show us all how you make such fantastic things out of wood. I would just like to comment on the way I have seen you using the wedgie sled. Maybe you cut out some of the inaccurate segments by feeding the timber into the saw blade with the sled supporting the rear of the timber being cut rather than feeding the timber into the blade unsuported at the rear where the torque of the blade could move the timber very slightly.
😂🤣😂🤣 Yes, I guess that would work, Richard. But that would take the challenge out of it and where’s the fun in that?! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching! .....Gord
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Hello from France. You are the first to explain to us the magic trick of obtaining a perfect segmented ring. Many thanks. Regards.
My pleasure! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Perfection is frustrating. Patience is a virtue. Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure, Ken. Thanks for watching!
If I had studied the wedge sled and watched jerry Bennett’s videos before bothering you, all my questions would have been answered. The wedgie sled does take out all the guess work! Now I gotta buy me some of those wedges! Thanks for your help!
I didn’t feel that you were bothering me, Daryl. I like to help when I can! Take care!
Hi Gord,
I'm 76 years old and have only been working with wood for about 3 years now.I made my first wedgie sled as close to perfect as I could with my woodworking skills at that time.I was horrible and I was pretty disappointed in it and in myself.A couple of days later,after I settled down,I checked my 2 fences on the sled.They wern't parallel,straight or plum!I had made them out of some 3/4" x 2" wood from Home Depot! LOL
They had actually started to twist a bit too!
Long story short(if it's not too late for that)I made a second wedgie sled out of 3/4" MDF and also made the sleds from that as well. I started thinking about how much the cheap wood moved and decided to give every part of the new sled 2 coats of sanding sealer and 3 coats of clear shellac trying to prevent any "wood movement".
I've used the sled for a bit over a year now and it still cuts perfect segments every time.
So,,,,as you said,,,wood movement is very important to consider with a wedgie sled!
Thanks for the video,,,
Tom
Thank you for the input, Tom. With the sanding sealer and shellac you may not have any problems with wood movement. Personally, I try not to use MDF for anything that might encounter any kind of moisture. I also don’t think I have the patience to do the sanding sealer and shellac treatment that you did. Obviously, I am a lot lazier than you are! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching, Tom!
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Your detail and patience amazes me. I'd have increased the size of my firewood pile and taken up drinking before ever getting even close to a solution.
Thank you once again.
You crack me up, Ken! Good to hear from you, my friend. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
I learn something new every time I watch one of your videos.
I've been using a sled to refine the edges for quite a while.
It never dawned on me to put a couple clamps on it.
Way to go.
Thank you very much, Christian. I’m glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Hi Gord,
I too have experienced wedgie board changes. My solution was making one from corian material. Was able to dumpster dive a local corian subcontractor for countertops. So material was free. No more issues! Keep up the great work!
Corian!! Great idea, Tim. I appreciate the idea! I hope other people will read this! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Gord, it's good to see a fellow turner face challenges when doing segments. I really enjoy your videos, you have that gift for delivering your point.
Thank you, Gerald. I really appreciate that. Thanks for watching!
Watched every minute Gord ... and my goodness how much work you put in .. Such skill 🙌🙌
Thank you very much, Claire. I appreciate your kind words. 😁😁😁 Thanks for watching! 😃😃😃🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
A wedgie sled is so simple I thought there is no way it could fail. Well, so much for that thought. Now I have to go to the shop and lay a steel straight edge on my wedgie sled fences. Although my fences are MDF which is generally pretty stable. When you described the problem my first thought was the saw blade. A dull blade can be problematic too. I have had dull blades produce bad wedges. Thank you for sharing Gord. Have a great 2021 and stay healthy.
I'm happy that you liked it, Glen. I hope 2021 is a better year than 2020 for you and yours. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Wow Gord! What a great teacher you are. Thanks so much for yet another beneficial teaching. I've done really small segmented turnings (5" bowls) but eventually I'll want to do bigger segmented work. I've saved this video for then. I'll also double-check my homemade sled. It was cutting perfect angles when last used but that was months ago. I would NEVER have thought to re-check the sled had I not watched your video. 😵💫 Thanks again for sharing! 👍🏾
My pleasure, Greg. I get a lot of satisfaction whenever I can help someone out so I appreciate your comment. 😎😎 As always, thanks for watching!
I've said it before, and I'll continue to do so. You are fantastic! That was so informative. I appreciate you sharing your struggles and fixes.
Thank you so much for the shout out. That meant the world to me.
Stay safe Gord. -Magen
Glad you liked it, Magen, and you’re welcome for the shout-out. I hope it helps your channel. Stay safe and healthy!
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Excellent information. Another vitally important point about the wedgie sled, is that not only do the sides of the fences must be flat as you pointed out, but they must be parallel. If they’re not, you will always have a gap. I like your method of trueing up the rings with the table saw.
Yes, that's just one more thing I forgot to mention, Greg. If I ever publish a video without forgetting something I meant to say it will shock the heck out of me!! Thanks for pointing that out. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Gordo. Just finished my first segmented bowl and am hooked. Always looking for ways to dial things in closer so I enjoy the informative content.. Also enjoy your native cheery disposition. We need it right now.
Thank you, Seth. It is very easy to get hooked on segmented turning. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. It’s one of my very favourite ways to spend my time in my shop! Thanks for watching!
You most definitely were blessed with the patience in the family Gord 😊.
Patience is not something that's attributed to me very often, Gail. Just ask Gayle!! Stay safe, Kid!! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
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I have enjoyed watching your channel for many years and have always thought you excelled at making segment circles so I know this issue was something that drove you batty but I also know you would find the problem and find a good remedy to resolve it. Keep doing as you have always done. Even a old woodworker can find several nuggets of information to help improve my work. For that I thank you greatly!
Old?? Nah!! Couldn't be, James. I'm sure you're at least as young as me and I haven't felt the need for a nap for at least 20 minutes!! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Hi Gord, when gluing half rings,instead of using dowels, use a wood strip long enough to catch both ends of the ring.that forces the ring ends to be flat and straight with each other. The halves will go together without sanding.
Jerry
Thank you for the advice, Jerry. I had been under the impression that using the dowels allowed the half rings to swivel a bit to close up. I will give your method a try. Thank you again. I admire your work more than I can begin to tell you! Thanks for watching!
Happy turning,
…..Gord
@@GordonRock1 Thank you Gord, I am assuming the segments are cut correctly and it is just a gluing time problem. I also when gluing up a ring I will butter them all up but keep them apart until they are all done. Then put them together.
Jer
That sounds like another great idea. Thank you very much, Jerry. Much appreciated.
All the best,
…..Gord
Gord, you might want to look into using some scrap counter top material like Corian for the arms on the sled. It won't move with temperature and humidity fluctuations.
Thank you, Billy. I did look into getting some Corian but it's real expensive up here. I even tried to buy some cutoffs from cabinet shops and they think it should sell for just north of the price of gold. Thanks for the tip anyway, buddy! Keep getting better, my friend.
.....Gord
@@GordonRock1 Wow! I've have several large pieces given to me so I guess I'm spoiled.
Hello Gord, very nice video!
I made some 112 segment rings for a vase, 16 times 7 , so glued 7 segments together with a fast glue and clamped them with my hands, then the 16 blocks in a hoseclamp. it worked well.
112 segments? Holy cow, that would mean 1.6° cuts to make the segments. Those must’ve been either very short segments or in a very large piece. I’m not sure I even want to try that, to be honest. Glad you like the video, Peter. Thanks for watching!
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Gord I take my hat off to you again my friend you have the patience of a saint and your talents and craftsmanship just blows me away, thanks for a very informative video 👍👍👍
You are too kind, Gavin. I appreciate the kind words but my wife might argue the point about me being patient. The only time I am patient is when I'm in my shop. It must be the aroma of sawdust. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching, Gavin!
Gord, I appreciate your chanel. You do great work and I learn a lot. I made a dedicated sled for 60 segments and glued up 20 at a time using the rest of the segments to help with the glue up and it it came out perfect. Thanks for the inspiration. Tim
Thank you very much, Tim. I appreciate the feedback. I’m glad it worked out for you. Thanks for watching! 👍👍👍🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Well, fine, now I have a headache to go with my no electricity boredom!
A very fine set of instructions, Gord. Easy to see a LOT of thought went into, not only the solution but this video, too. Very well done, Gord!
Phil
No electricity? It must be tough getting your lathe up to speed. 😢😢😢 Sorry to hear that, buddy! I hope that doesn’t last too long!
Glad you weren’t too bored with the video. Maybe you will be inspired to try segmented turning??!!?? 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Stay safe,
.....Gord
Hi Gord, I truly enjoy your videos. What I use and so far it’s working for me is UHMW strips. It comes in various thickness and width.
Many thanks, I have learned a lot from you.
Thanks for the kind words, William. I have used UHMW but I don’t have any and I work with what I have. Once I realized what the problem was it was a simple matter to just joint one edge of each of the boards and then put them through the tablesaw to make those pieces parallel. I do appreciate the input. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Gord! Had never thought about the wood moving.
You're welcome. Obviously, neither had I. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Maybe build the sled and components out of poly' cutting board material?
@@thomasarussellsr That is what I was thinking. Or maybe out of aluminum.
Thanks Grod I never though about this. I.m going to check my sled.
My pleasure, Charles. Obviously I never thought of it either until I started having problems. I was just happy to finally figure it out! Thanks for watching! 😃😃😃🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Gord, you have the patience of Job, keep up the interesting stuff
Patience?? Well, maybe in the shop. I'm sure my wife could argue the point very convincingly! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching, Brent!
Great explanations of the how-to-do and the mistakes that can happen. Thanks for sharing the info.
I’m happy that you liked it, Kent. Thanks for watching!
Hi Gord, this was a great video full of lots and lots of very good information. I guess I will need to mill out a 60 segment wedgie now. I know what you mean about trying to glue that many at one time and hope they all slide together. I like to use Baltic birch for the rails on the sled as they do not move around much.
Fantastic and very informative video my friend,
Gary
Baltic Birch is a great idea. I will have to see if I have some. Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching! 👍👍👍👍 Stay well, buddy!
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Thankyou for the video, I just got a drum sander and will be doing segmented turning, my problem so far is routing the groove on the wedgie sled. I have tried 3 times and they are all in the trash. Any hints for that?
Hi Maryke,
There is a video on Jerry Bennet’s channel called “Making The Wedgie Sled”. I believe it will answer any questions you have. If not, let me know and I will try to help. I hope you have as much fun with it as I do! 😃😃😃😃
very clean work Gord. have you considers losing the rulers of the sled and just using the segments spacers like Jeremy Schmidt did? That way you use the perfectly cut angles.
No, I haven't thought about that. I haven't seen Jeremy's videos. Too many RUclips turners, too little time! Thanks for the tip; I will look him up. Thanks for watching! 😃😃😃
Great clip Gord, you’re refreshing as you really should be. I’m facing that problem momentarily, so am going to remake my wedgie sledge using man made phenol sheeting. Thanks.
Glad you liked it, Ed. Thanks for watching! I hope that phenol sheeting works for you!
Always very informative Gord......thanks for sharing your experience and skills.....👍
So nice of you to say that, Michael. I really appreciate your support.😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Try using titebond hide glue. It is in a brown bottle and has a working of over an hour
Thank you, Bob. I will take a look at that. I appreciate your input, my friend.
Can’t wait to see the finished product.
Much appreciated. Thanks for watching!
Good catch Gord. The more segments in a ring the greater the error. Great video my friend, enjoyed it!
Thank you, Lewis. What seems obvious to some is not so obvious to others. Just trying to help those who might need it. Thanks for watching!
I have had many days like that and yes I've had that problem with the sled. Alan
Some days are a lot more “interesting” than others, Alan. Sometimes “boring” days are better!! Thanks for watching, Alan!
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Hey,Gord, thanks for showing the 60 segment idea and it's potential issues and fixes. There's some great information here.
No problem, Thomas. It was you who suggested the 60 segments so you are entirely to blame for this! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching! 😃😃😃
Happy turning,
.....Gord
So I have a question 🤔. I'm trying to make a ring that's 10 segments and is the 4 inches, And another that's 10 segment ring but it 11 inches. Every time I try to get the 4 inch and 1/4 or bigger and the same thin goes for the 11 inch ring but that one is even larger, like it would be 11 inch and a half or 3/4. Do you have any idea on what I can do to fix this problem?
If I understand your question correctly, you need segments for the 10 segment ring, 4 inches in diameter and they would need to be 1.257". The 10 segment ring at 11 inches in diameter would need segments 3.456". Does that answer your question? If not let me know and I will try to do better. Also, I often make my segments a bit wider than I need them and then a bit longer as well so that I have some extra to turn away. Getting the rings to the precise dimension can be very difficult. Good luck with them!
.....Gord
Hi Gord, great information my friend ! Thanks for the sharing!!
Thank you, Bruce. Much appreciated, buddy! Take care!
After my move. OMG it's been over a year. New shop (steel building), new saw (3hp SawStop), new thin kerf saw blade, new wedgie sled (old one doesn't fit). Just cut first segments about a month ago. I have gaps! Checked fences, OK. Bought a Pete Markham sled, still have gaps. I wonder if it is the thin kerf blade. I will go back to regular blade next month (Jan 2024). Holiday season to busy for woodwork. Checked blade alignment. Out about .003. Too much? Added blade stiffener. Any thoughts from you? Have a great holiday and stay safe. I pray your health is improving. Take care my friend.🙂🙂
It is very annoying when your wedgie sled gives inaccurate segments. You said you have a new wedgie sled; are you using the same wedges you used with the old sled? Were they accurate on the old sled? I can't see why the thin kerf blade would make a difference. It is just going to cut parallel to the slots on the tablesaw. The angle that is set by the wedgie sled is going to be what makes the difference. I don't believe that .003" is too much. We all want our alignment to be perfect but for most of us that is just a dream. I really don't know where to go from here, Glen. I am very curious to see if there is a difference when you go back to the regular blade. I'm sorry I'm not more help, my friend.
Have a wonderful Christmas, Glen. I know you are living close to family and I'm sure that will be helpful. 🎄🎄🎄
Take care, my friend,
.....Gord 😃😃
I LOVE the video effects you include .. but, then I always really like all of your videos .. Patience of JOB ...
Thank you, Jeff. I think my wife might argue about the patience! 😁😁😁 I really appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching!
Great video Gord. I have not attempted segment work yet bt when I do your video will help me to better understand the principles. Cheers, Stay warm & safe, John
Thank you very much, John. I hope you will enjoy segmented turning as much as I do when you get around to trying it. Thanks for watching!
Gord, I never trust plywood for fine edge work. I use 15 minute open time PVA glue for my segments, and start with a dry test run using pine; making spares, and numbering them. Each edge is sanded on paper over a plate glass shelf and test fitted; turning over if necessary, as I find that can make sufficient difference. I must confess my way takes patience, and so far have not made rings of more than 14 segments. Still a beginner at this, I use the bandsaw, with a correction factor for its protractor, and flip the wood. It's a slower and more gentle process than using the table saw, especially as the blade must not deviate nor flex. Perhaps I've been lucky so far. Bernard.
That does sound like a lot of work, Bernard. As long as it works for you that’s all that matters. There is almost always more than one way to do anything in woodworking. Once you find the way you like to work why would you change unless you find an easier or more efficient way!?? Thanks for watching!
Nicely worked out Gord!
Thank you, Alan. It was a bit frustrating until I learned to count the segments! 😃😃 Thanks for watching!
A good heads up Gord on checking the sled for movement👍 thanks for sharing ,cheers and take care mate, Bram
Thank you, Bram. Hope you are staying well. Thanks for watching!
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Hi Gord, have you tried glueing up segments using a slow cure epoxy? The one I use has about 45 minutes open time before it sets up.
Now I need to go check my sled and make sure it is still accurate.
No, Lyle, I haven’t. I don’t believe I have seen an epoxy with an open time that long. I usually see 5 minute epoxy but maybe I just haven’t been looking for it. Thanks for the tip. 👍👍 I will have to look for it. Thanks for watching!
@@GordonRock1 Aero Marine 300/11 Epoxy is what I use
Thank you, Lyle.
That was very informative Gord,
I really like the sled idea for cutting the rings straight.
Really looks like this put you through the ringer, but you came out the other end smooth and dry😁😎👍
Glad it was informative, Luie. I hope it’s useful. Thanks for watching! 😁😁
Why does your sled have two rails? Couldn’t you have just one and flip the wood each cut?
No, Daryl, it isn’t that simple. If you use just one rail it would have to be at an absolutely perfect angle! By using two rails if one of them isn’t perfect the other one will make the difference needed. I’m not sure I’m making sense. Because the wedge already has the angle built in, when you switch from one rail to the other it will compensate. I believe it will make more sense to you if you try building one with one rail and doing some test cuts. That way you will see for yourself what I mean. I don’t think I can explain it very well this way. There are a lot of videos on RUclips showing how the Wedgie sled works. You might want to take a look at some of those. Sorry I’m not doing a very good job of explaining.
Hi Gord, As others have already said, great video explaining where and how things can go wrong but more importantly how to put them right. I love the table saw remedy. Brilliant video Gord and one I'm keeping for future record. Take care my friend. Cheers, Huw
Thank you, Huw. I'm happy that you like it.😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Another great video! Do you have anything on gluing partial segmented rings?
I don't know if I have ever shown anything on a previous video, Calvin. I have way to many videos out there to claim that I remember everything (anything?) in them. Is there something you feel you need to have explained. Let me know if I can help and I will try to do it. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
@@GordonRock1 You had mentioned about glueing up a partial segment on the 60 segment ring. I was just trying to figure out how you clamp a partial segment.
Sorry, Calvin, maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Because there are 60 segments I am not able to spread the glue quickly enough to do the clamping before the glue starts to dry. My intention would be to glue 15 segments but put the entire ring together and clamp it. I would repeat this after the glue dries with another 15 segments. I would repeat this until I had 2 30-segment half rings which I would then glue together into one ring. I have yet to actually try this so it may take some trial and error to get it to work properly. I hope I’m making sense. Please let me know if I am not!
@@GordonRock1 That clears it up! I was trying to figure out how to clamp a partial ring. How you do it makes perfect sense. Thanks!
You’re welcome, Calvin!
Good tips and solutions - your work is super!
Thank you, Phil. I really appreciate the kind words. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Gord, you talked awhile back, about using pure alcohol with sanding sealer for food safe bowls. I’m in Ontario and can’t find where to buy it.LCBO says they won’t sell 95% to individuals. Any suggestions.
The alcohol I use is called Everclear and it is 95%. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t sell it to you. Could it be just someone in the one location being hard to get along with? Maybe try a different location? Sorry, I don’t know where else to try. Seems kind of silly to me!
@@GordonRock1 Thanks, I’ll try again in London.
You’re welcome. Sorry I wasn’t any help.
@@GordonRock1 Ontario liquor laws are backward as ever. I checked the website and LCBO doesn’t carry Everclear. Alberta is obviously more advanced.
Well yeah!! 😃😃😃 Just kidding! I lived in Ottawa for 6 years and it seemed pretty advanced to me!! I loved Ontario but the Toronto area was way too busy for a small town boy like me!
Nice review thanks,Chuck
I’m glad you liked it, Chuck. 😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Thanks Gord your a STAR.
A STAR? Well, I don’t think so but I do appreciate the kind words, Ron. I hope it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
Always something new. Never thought of using the table saw...Thanks as always Gord.
Hope they are dispensing the vaccine up there in cold country. It’s getting into full swing down here in Texas.
Stay safe.
Glad you liked it, Gary. Yes, we have the vaccine up here, too. Of course, a young fella like me will have to wait for the OLD people to get their shots first. 😂🤣😂🤣 Stay healthy, Gary! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
@@GordonRock1 👍 As I am 83 I’m second in line. Getting mine tomorrow. Can’t wait to get back to “normal”. Thanks again for all of the videos that helped keep us sane these past 10 months.
I’m glad you’re getting your shot, Gary. I’m looking forward to getting mine, too! You could probably tell that I was kidding about being one of those “youngsters”. But we’ll just keep that between the two of us, okay!!?? 😃😃😃 Stay healthy, my friend!!
very helpful information,gord!thank u!
Thank you, Ben. I hope it's useful to you.😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Great info Gord...gotta go now...need to check my sled😃...stay safe my friend...press on 😎 Joe
Thank you, Joe. Much appreciated. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Well, Gord, that was interesting. Since I don't turn, that's one less problem I will have but it was still informative to see your technique. Have you tried Titebond hide glue? it has an even longer open time. Just remember - 1...2...3...4...5...oops. Take care.
Bill
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Thanks for the counting lesson, Bill. I can certainly use it! Thanks for watching and stay safe!
All the best,
.....Gord
Great tutorial Gord - Thanks for sharing. Dennis (PS - up for "light" duty in the shop!) :-)
I'm glad to hear that, Dennis. Slow and easy, buddy!! Slow and easy!! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Just use MDF. Easy to work with and if it wears, just replace it.
Great suggestion, Jeroen! Thank you for the input.
.....Gord
Good catch on the warping of the wood. I guess that's why I made my wedgie sledge from mdf. (Not on purpose just that's what I had handy at the time, Lol) I will be checking though to be sure it's still straight.
I don’t trust MDF to stay straight if there is water within 6 blocks of it. That’s just me!!
Great video
Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it, Colm. Thanks for watching!
You might want to use my method for setting up the segments for your ring...count the number of segments on your fingers. Works nearly every time. LOL!
Seriously, would making the guides of you wedgie sled from MDF instead of wood? I hear it is very stable and resists movement. One drawback from this idea is the MDF is softer than wood so it is more likely to be damaged during use. It might be worth a try.
The sad thing is that I thought I had counted them, Gil. Unfortunately, once I hit ten I have to start over. It makes counting to 60 a real challenge!! 😃😃😃
The thing I don't like about MDF is that just carrying a glass of water into the shop seems to make the MDF swell in certain areas. Okay, I might be exaggerating just a little! But I never use MDF for anything that I have concerns with moisture of any kind. I appreciate the input though! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Garry not Linda. MDF is a poor choice for anything like that. I made a bandsaw sled out of it a year ago. It has grown so much it is totally unusable now even in the dead of winter. I also made a bandsaw fence out of it. No longer square and I thought I did a good job of reinforcing and cross bracing. No, there is no place in my shop for MDF for anything. It isn't even good firewood.
@@GordonRock1 I can go up to 20 if I take my shoes and socks off, but that means I'd have to sweep the shop floor...so up to ten it is.
Ah Gordon, you never fail to deliver. I have an easier way of fixing rings...I have a friend named Gordon, you see...
You funny. You so funny! 😂🤣😂🤣
Thanks for watching, Dan!
Well done,
Thank you, Jim. Much appreciated. Thanks for watching!
This may seem to be a daft idea but do you think it would work. Pin the setting wedge to a board and use that instead of the adjustable arms. If the setting wedge is thick enough it should work. by the way I never have a problem listening to your words of wisdom.
Fred, I'm sure that would work. I haven't tried it but it's certainly something to think about. I appreciate the input and your kind words. 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
Only metal rails won’t swell or warp. Full metal construction of bed and guide system made from aluminum would last a long time..
That’s true, Steve, but I don’t work with metal so I don’t see that happening in the near future! Thanks for watching! Stay safe and healthy!
Happy turning,
.....Gord
Why not use Plexiglas for the wedge arms (same as the #60 template) instead of wood ? Stay safe. -Mike😷💉
That was the last piece of plexiglass I had, Mike. Stay safe and healthy, my friend. Thanks for watching!
I think your shop buddy was messing with you
So, that’s why I haven’t been able to find him. I think I might just start looking a little more closely. 😁😁😁 Thanks for watching!
Hi Gord enjoy watching your videos and I learn alot from you guys who take the time to show us all how you make such fantastic things out of wood.
I would just like to comment on the way I have seen you using the wedgie sled. Maybe you cut out some of the inaccurate segments by feeding the timber into the saw blade with the sled supporting the rear of the timber being cut rather than feeding the timber into the blade unsuported at the rear where the torque of the blade could move the timber very slightly.
Good point, Howard. I will try to keep that in mind. I appreciate your input! Thanks for watching!
The solution is not to do 60 segments. Ha ha ha......
😂🤣😂🤣 Yes, I guess that would work, Richard. But that would take the challenge out of it and where’s the fun in that?! 😃😃😃 Thanks for watching!
.....Gord