Oregon State/Washington State rebuilding the Pac-12 can happen--with patience l Pac-12 Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Oregon State and Washington State absolutely have a path to one day building the Pac-12 into the premier G5 conference in all of college football. As they plot their next moves on that front, patience is indeed a virtue for the 'Pac-2'.
On today's episode of Locked On Pac-12, Spencer McLauglin dives into the potentially precarious and cautionary tale of SMU as they dive into the ACC in 2024. Will expansion really help save some future version of the Pac-12 in the current media landscape?
Spencer also takes a look at grading each Pac-12 team's performance in 2023 compared to their expectations as he hands out his annual grades. Plus, what will happen with the Pac-12 bowl game tie-ins now that the league has just two teams left?
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Oregon State/Washington State rebuilding the Pac-12 can happen--with patience
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How many times are you gonna make the same video?
15:53 of course you will, your channel is called Locked On Pac12, you’re all in anyway
Spencer My Main Man!
I have an idea for the pac-12 being a Group of 5 football only champion conference. The lowest ranked conference seed would return to its original conference and be replaced by the new conference champion. Rival week would play the conference seeds against one another. With 5 group of 5 conferences the PAC would always have 10 plus OSU & WSU locked in founder seeds.
OSU & WSU could play out of conference Non-G5 regional schools to bolster schedule strength in former PAC schools, which would reduce travel costs for all schools involved.
Being a conference made of only G5 champions it may allow the PAC to argue in the expanded playoff era it fills a Power conference role by always having the previous seasons best G5 schools. And those schools would get access to more money, assuming PAC can put together a good TV deal.
Thoughts?
Seems like a relegation model, yes?
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball it is but it's meant as temporary relegation. Teams never lose their spot in their founding conference because they are simply representing that Conference in "The Conference of Champions" the new PAC-12.
Did you see the article on Oregon Live? Indeed there is a clause in the scheduling contract that states if the PAC 12 only invite select MW schools before 2027 they would have to pay over $10 million dollars for each school. Taking 6 MW schools would cost OSU and WSU $67.5 million. Plus the buyouts for the AAC schools.
That's a lot of money just to create a G5 conference with a G5 level TV deal.
Came here to say the same thing. It won’t be cheap anymore, but it won’t be insurmountable either. Had to give up some flexibility for scheduling security for the next two years.
Mountain west media rights deal is up in two years
@@torymiranda1653MW tv deal is up in 2026 but the contract was cleverly written so if PAC 12 takes any teams by 2027 they still have to pay.
Good job commissioner Nevarez!
Why would OSU + Wazzu have to pay it? I read the article, + I understand that pay out exit clauses exist. But why wouldn't the exiting schools be responsible for all or part of it?
@@DocSkirv My understanding is it doesn't matter who pays it. But would any MW school pay $27 million to leave? ($10 million for the scheduling contract plus the MW existing exit fee of $17 million with one year notice.)
OSU and WSU will definitely rebuild the Pac12. Joining the MWC (5M a year) or the AAC (10M a year) is too big of a drop-off from the Power 5 (30M+ a year). Aim for a new TV deal in the 15M+ range. They should target the top Western teams in the G5, to build the clear No. 5 conference and lock down a football playoff spot each season, with some hoops power for more TV tournament cash.
I would target the following teams:
Fresno State, Boise State, Air Force, Tulane, UTSA, New Mexico State, and Memphis have had 10-win football seasons in the past 2 years (in addition to Oregon State).
Gonzaga (hoops only), UNLV and San Diego State would add some hoops cachet/tradition (along with Memphis).
Finally, throwing in a few bigger TV markets could increase the TV deal (if only to provide more potential viewers for the good teams, not necessarily the local teams): Rice (Houston), North Texas (Dallas), San Jose State (SF Bay area), and Colorado State (Denver). It would help with recruiting too.
Alternates if any of the above aren't interested: Hawaii (recruiting), Louisiana (football), Utah State (market).
Target the growing front range. CSU & Air Force. Wyoming is a definite in the front range as well since it has been a big part of the Denver market for 60+ years. Huge Wyoming alum base in Colorado
and top tier fan following. New Mexico with the new coach will be an improved.
Then add Tulane and UTSA and Texas State. Louisiana!
Boise State; Nevada, Fresno, San Diego State, UNLV.
Utah State?
DANG GOOD NEW PAC12
Montana would be a good addition if they will step up with additional $$
Wow, Locked on College Football. That has got to come with 7 figures. This puts you on the same level as the VOCFB, Mark Rogers. Tomashoff, Shemon and Toll all must bow to your awesomeness. Great job and don't work so hard that it negatively affects your golf game.
Shot 76 today, not suffering too hard!
Thanks for tuning in as always. Hope you like LO CFB
Solid. You have your priorities in order. I shot 77 yesterday, but I'm playing blue/white combo. A young guy like you has to be at the tips. @@LockedOnCollegeFootball
@@WHarman-tb8ss Counts all the same! Any time you can break 80 is a feat to appreciate, never easy
How come Kliavkoff hasn't been fired yet?
Nobody wants to pay that severance? Money's tight.
It wasn't George Kliavkoff's fault. Larry Scott left the conference in such bad shape that no one could have saved it
Kliavkoff was the one trying to pull the fast one and call a board meeting that the "leavers" could vote in, to the detriment of the 2 remaining members@@Patrick-sg7cm
They have to set their future first
PAC -2 ; great underdog story and hopefully all naysayers and why don’t you just quit types will be proven wrong. That said, Wise to expand to Locked On College Football. Go Beavs& Cougs.
It might happen, but right now the B12's the best Underdog story.
Pac-2 forever
As a long time Fresno State Fan and alum, who has suffered the disrespect of the PAC 10/12 for 20 years, I must remind the Beavs and Coug fans that the MW will not be a pushover. As Spencer said yesterday what great QBs the PAC 12 had this year (and he is right for this year). Well if you check the NFL facts, the MWC has three NFL team starters at QB, which is exactly the same as the PAC 12 and Big 10 conferences. The best part of my argument is that it will be decided in the next two years.
For me the PAC 2 needs to form the best football product to “sell” the media rights in two years. A 16 team two tier conference with promotion relegation would ensure a good game to promote for the “after dark” slot every week. Over time I see all the conferences will go to the upper and lower tiers when the upper tier teams get tired of lower tier teams taking equal big football media payouts and putting an inferior product on the field year after year.
Spencer as you move to the LO Collage Football frame, I would like you to develop these topics more. Just a suggestion.
Fresno State and Boise State have both done well in actual football games against the Pac12.
Hope to see you there!
(Which is actually here, same channel just different brand)
Did you see the reporting by Chris Murray from Nevada Sports Net this morning. Looks like raiding the MW by the PAC2 would be cost prohibitive, but I'm not a lawyer.
Yeah, it would cost 10 mil per school, increasing by 500k, if a school is invited and accepts, before a two year anniversary. It would all be waived with a merger. So, inviting 4 teams would be 10+10.5+11+11.5 just for 4, plus some other charges and fees. Still, It might actually be worth it to the two school.
MWC and ACC schools have an upper hand. None will break away from their conference to go to join the PAC 2 since that conference don't have a tv deal. The MWC schools could play hardball and have the PAC to merge and then grab the AAC schools and the two Dakota schools and maybe the Montanas as well. USF is too far east. I could look at Missouri State or Toledo.
The MWC teams get 5M a year in a TV deal. The AAC teams get 10M a year. They would join the Pac in a heartbeat if the new TV deal is 15M or so, with the inside track to an automatic football playoff bid.
@@atgdcommish608Who's giving the new PAC 12 $15 million? Nobody overpaying for a glorified G5 conference.
😂 locked on Pac-2 thx for USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon
PAC 2, OS and WS will not abandon the PAC once they build it. It will be a conference of Champions with loyal members and not traitors like their former members.
Big10 = 💵💰
Pac12 = ⚰️📈
LOL 😂
The conference will never be the same, it is now always going to be a tier 2 without its original members.
1: using your Star Wars reference, Anakin became the B10. 2: I still believe that Cal, Stanford, + SMU will be available as the ACC is toast.
Stanford, Cal and SMU will fare even better in the ACC if FSU and Clemson leave. They are locked into 30M a year until 2036, and would have a better chance to win the conference.
@@atgdcommish608 Clemson and FSU would open the flood gates as UNC, Virginia, Miami and NCSU are all also making noise
I love so much that you piggybacked off that metaphor
I hear ya, but there very well could be better teams in the new Pac 12, than OSU and WSU. It’s possible that Fresno or UNLv, or whoever, may rise above. It’s one thing when your school is power vs g5, rather than all g5. It’s not a shoe in that they remain above their conference mates.
Sounds like a good move to change channel to Locked On CFB. But, what happens to PAC 12 basketball? That part of the conference is still on going. But you’re not going to cover it?
Not on my show, no. On LO Ducks I'll talk about Oregon, but I would advise checking out Locked On College Basketball for hoops talk!
100% agree with your season grades. How about ZONA! WHAT! Good job boys
How about those Cats!
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Spencer I have several questions for you. NFL playoff is starting up. The game between the Miami Dolphins and Kansas City is exclusively on the Peacock Network. Do you think that good idea or bad idea. Not everyone has peacock network. Do you believe that college football follow NFL lead putting playoff games exclusively on a streaming service.
For instance what if they got a ratings based contract from Amazon and they paid out members for each individual game based on ratings? They still get more than they would get in the MWC because they get more viewers than MWC teams but they might attract some bigger schools(which by playing them would increase their own ratings) to join the conference. Hey FSU you can keep most of your TV revenue. The only schools you have to share it with are the schools you played that year.
Arizona, ASU, Colorado & Utah really got lucky joining the Big12 with Oregon & Washington joining the Big10.
Why? They are immediately top draws in the Big12. Larger media markets then a share of the conference and teams that come in and will compete for conference titles.
Stanford and Cal were lucky to get into the ACC.
Go cougs
Need to get teams like SMU bring back Utah and Arizona teams and the cal teams. Look for big markets to bring in!!!
DUDE! The PAC12 had bigger and better brands than the BIG12. They were overly patient! Brett Yormark was aggressive and open and operated like a hungry pitbull. 4 PAC12 schools now play in the BIG12 with 4 recently G5 schools! They get 300% more money than the MWC. You can't afford to be patient when you are losing. You have to make a change
The presidents of the PAC 12 broke up their own conference with their arrogance and ignorance of the current media market. You can blame Yorkmark all you want if it makes you feel better though.
More like 500% more money, 30M vs. 5M.
@@atgdcommish608 Pretty sure the MWC and ACC are closer to 10 but I could be wrong
P12 arrogance and mismanagement did some horrible damage.
In football, there was no dividing line among conferences before the FBS decided to crown an "official" champion. Actually, it was never an "official" decision of the FBS. Rather it was an agreement with either the media or coaches (I forget which) to automatically vote the winner of the BCS as the FBS champion in the poll. At that time, they set up a system which included the selection of teams in the newly designated "New Year 6" bowls. The conferences that had such contracts were designated BCS conferences. There were 6 such conferences. At the same time the FBS schools switched from the "BCS" to the "CFP", the Orange Bowl switched its conference tie from the Big East/American to a combination of the SEC, B1G, and Notre Dame (which is why ND is always ineligible for the ACC's selection to the Orange Bowl). This is what in effect dropped the Big East/American from the so-called "power" conferences.
So, in the past, it was those conferences that had guaranteed ties to certain bowl games that were called by the media as "power" conferences. This was always unofficial. At some point in the process, the NCAA did officially vote certain rights to make rules to 5 conferences, and those were known as the Autonomy 5 conferences. Officially, that's where we stand today.
However, as a practical matter, never in its history has the highest level of American collegiate football ever had 1 Supreme Entity governing the entire sport including crowning a champion. The NCAA came close until the 1980's, but the schools themselves never granted the NCAA the authority to decide who the national champion was at the highest level. This is why multiple media outlets and associations crowned their chosen schools national champions and in many years we have multiple national champions.
The PAC must survive. What I’m I going to do with my Benny swag?
OSU isn't going anywhere!
"If no mistake you have made, losing you are. A different game you should play"-YODA
OB was killed by Anakin after Anakin destroyed the Republic. It was only a group of brash young shoot from the hip freedom fighters that provided a New Hope.
Boom! I just destroyed your Star Wars analogy using multiple movies. SUPER BURN!
Go B1G!!!
I think the Pac2 can be patient for a year, maybe 2. But the fall off in both football and Olympic sports is going to be significant as fans see G5 football and WCC Olympic sports opponents.
In the WCC they have an auto bid to NCAA tourneys tho, and they're solid leagues especially in hoops w/Gonzaga
Funny thing is OSU and WSU actually hurt Gonzaga's strength of schedule lol
Man Spencer, I love your shows, but it feels like you're doing CPR on a dead body(pac2). At what point do you announce DOA???
I agree with Mr. Eddie, Spence. Time to kiss the PAC nite nite!
The Pac has a 2-year grace period, and only needs to get back to 8 teams by then. The top G5 teams will gladly take more cash, despite their bravado now (while making 5 or 10M a year.)
@@atgdcommish608 True enough, but if you do that, then what do you really have? Another G5 conference probably not as good as the MWC is now and with a lot more travel. I say join the MWC, continue to get better then see what happens.
@@charlieh108Totally agree!
Wow, Saban retires. Harbaugh will high tail it to the NFL. Obviously, they see the handwriting on the wall. They just won't be able to keep up with Lanning and DeBoer. 😁
You’re going broken record on this
Go Ducks!!!