I'm not sure if Rains Fall saw through Dutch's tricks or not, but he did say that thanks to Dutch, they were at their worst possible state in the last 5 years.
He knew, of course he did. But he also knew that directly involving himself would make it much worse. There’s no point trying to convince people you don’t even know to stop what you’re doing, but try advise your loved ones to do so. That’s all he could have and did do.
Dutch is an excellent example of: "Not everyone who helps you out is your friend." Dutch simply used anyone for what he could get, as was evident in his treatment of Molly, and just like her, discarded them when he was done.
If Dutch really wanted to help they could've made a plan to turn public discourse away from propagandized hostility from the Wapiti, and toward the brutality of the Army. They wouldn't be able to get away with desecrating sacred sites if every town from Valentine to Saint Denis were there to protest at every turn. Maybe they could've gotten to the press for example.
I'd doubt that people really would've cared about that at the turn of the century. Lots of racism back in those times. Natives were viewed as inferior and folk still tried to manifest some good old destiny.
Guys, I was thinking, and I think Dutch was a little misunderstood in chapter 6, look: Arthur condemned Dutch's idea of using the Indians as a distraction, but the gang was almost being captured and they needed to do everything to survive ( think, if a person steals food to survive, is he wrong?). At that moment the gang was unable to help anyone, at that moment they needed to help themselves, otherwise they would die, so Dutch wasn't so wrong in using the Indians, as survival was what mattered most at that moment. Also, in chapter 6, Dutch's plan was finally working, they had pulled off their last heist and were fleeing to New York to get on a boat and go to Tahiti, but everything went wrong when Arthur discovered that Micah was the traitor. I know that some of Dutch's actions are completely wrong, like when he lets Arthur and John die, but even so, Dutch acted much more intelligently in chapter 6 than in the rest of the game (apart from him trusting Micah).
In the gta verse. The wapiti natives were once a huge subgroup of redemption tribes. A large set of native tribes in little America. It consists of the Red Wolf tribe, Nastas tribe, and the largest tribe: the Wapiti. However the numbers did dwindle by the events of red dead redemption 2. And you can see that Dutch caused its demise of a tribe. The demise of a culture. Relocated elsewhere outside the American continent. Reduced to a group of families in tsarist Alaska. Not Canada since Canada would considered to be northern American states.
I love this. As a Native I know this all too well. I know so many militant men. It's something we need to move past. We've been used more than deserved.
Man u have to be crazy to say that chapter 6 was the best 😂. Although Dutch is interesting and complicated character. I grew to despise Dutch and Micah more and more. Dutch is master manipulator and Micah is leech who only cares about him self. and is plain evil. But looking at them as a characters Micah and Dutch are fenomenal.
If you read a newspaper article as John Marston, it is revealed that there was no oil on the reservation afterall, meaning that the whole conflict was meaningless. In the end, nobody benefited, not Dutch, the gang, the tribe, the Colonel Favors or the oil companies
Arthur was quite frankly so heart broken during these missions if he wasnt so loyal Arthur would have shot him in rdr 2 after he incited war with the government
Eagle Flies was ready to fight with or without Dutch. Rains Fall admits this in your first interaction at his reservation & I feel if they weren’t already doomed more action would of been taken to prevent the gang from further interference. Unfortunately Dutch was right in saying that it felt “mutually beneficial”. Yes Dutch was trying to use the situation to his advantage but Eagle Flies was using the gang all the same for the things he wanted to accomplish considering his tribe couldn’t single handily take on the U.S. Army. I think the rapid destruction of the Wapitis would have happened at the same rate if they had never met if you consider Eagle Flies' temperament throughout the entirety of the time knowing him but that's just my opinion. I'd like to believe he isn't even regretful because he died for his people, & standing up for what he believed in which is of great honor within itself. He saw glory in death just as Rains Fall said.
If there was a spinoff of Red Dead Redemption 2, I would of loved to play through Charles point of View. When you take control of John, I wish the Wapiti Reservation wasn't burnt up. It's sad going there as John. Trivia: Did you know the voice of Nastas is the same voice actor of Dutch?
Off topic but I love that you deck out Arthur in all black. I do the same, but I ride the white arabian. Think it's a good juxtaposition. My horse's name is Moonlight and I'm on my third playthrough and already cried twice when it died
@@tyrequ5303depends if the Loan Shark guy sends Arthur to get his money back . That's how Arthur got TB . So all depends if that mission happens or not .
Dutch saw an opportunity and ran with it , he knew the wapiti tribe was VERY VULNERABLE . Sad , Rain Falls only wanted peace at his old age , something that Dutch constantly ran from until he was on top of that mountain with John .
So u have made alot of videos on red dead 2, but wheres the video where you explain/theorized, How in the hell did Arthur not infect the rest of the gang! Like it wasn't an std , he got it because he was cough on. Sure at a short distance, but though out the game Arthur got real close to alot of characters. Hope u see this , i would actually love to see a video on that .
Guys, I was thinking, and I think Dutch was a little misunderstood in chapter 6, look: Arthur condemned Dutch's idea of using the Indians as a distraction, but the gang was almost being captured and they needed to do everything to survive ( think, if a person steals food to survive, is he wrong?). At that moment the gang was unable to help anyone, at that moment they needed to help themselves, otherwise they would die, so Dutch wasn't so wrong in using the Indians, as survival was what mattered most at that moment. Also, in chapter 6, Dutch's plan was finally working, they had pulled off their last heist and were fleeing to New York to get on a boat and go to Tahiti, but everything went wrong when Arthur discovered that Micah was the traitor. I know that some of Dutch's actions are completely wrong, like when he lets Arthur and John die, but even so, Dutch acted much more intelligently in chapter 6 than in the rest of the game (apart from him trusting Micah).
There's a difference between stealing food from someone who needs it less than you and tricking a nation into a war they can't win so that you can slip off to Tahiti.
I think he was taking advantage of them but I. Also think he was inspired and motivated by their fight. If you notice, he was also very into the fight in gurma against the corrupt military there. And enjoys helping the natives fight the government just. As much Dutch as he says in the first game. Is in his nature just to fight. He wants to fight against the world that he sees is civilized and corrupt and will take the side of any that he sees in that fight
I'm not sure if Rains Fall saw through Dutch's tricks or not, but he did say that thanks to Dutch, they were at their worst possible state in the last 5 years.
Rains Fall said that to Arthur.
He knew, of course he did. But he also knew that directly involving himself would make it much worse. There’s no point trying to convince people you don’t even know to stop what you’re doing, but try advise your loved ones to do so. That’s all he could have and did do.
Dutch is an excellent example of: "Not everyone who helps you out is your friend."
Dutch simply used anyone for what he could get, as was evident in his treatment of Molly, and just like her, discarded them when he was done.
If Dutch really wanted to help they could've made a plan to turn public discourse away from propagandized hostility from the Wapiti, and toward the brutality of the Army. They wouldn't be able to get away with desecrating sacred sites if every town from Valentine to Saint Denis were there to protest at every turn. Maybe they could've gotten to the press for example.
I'd doubt that people really would've cared about that at the turn of the century. Lots of racism back in those times. Natives were viewed as inferior and folk still tried to manifest some good old destiny.
Guys, I was thinking, and I think Dutch was a little misunderstood in chapter 6, look: Arthur condemned Dutch's idea of using the Indians as a distraction, but the gang was almost being captured and they needed to do everything to survive ( think, if a person steals food to survive, is he wrong?). At that moment the gang was unable to help anyone, at that moment they needed to help themselves, otherwise they would die, so Dutch wasn't so wrong in using the Indians, as survival was what mattered most at that moment. Also, in chapter 6, Dutch's plan was finally working, they had pulled off their last heist and were fleeing to New York to get on a boat and go to Tahiti, but everything went wrong when Arthur discovered that Micah was the traitor.
I know that some of Dutch's actions are completely wrong, like when he lets Arthur and John die, but even so, Dutch acted much more intelligently in chapter 6 than in the rest of the game (apart from him trusting Micah).
I doubt it would have particularly worked. The author guy in Saint Denis already was trying that
@@abreezeofdumbideas They were inferior they fought against the united states and lost
Protesting doesn't accomplish anything
Dutch knew Arthur wasnt buying what he was selling same with Rainsfall which is why he left Arthur to die
In the gta verse. The wapiti natives were once a huge subgroup of redemption tribes. A large set of native tribes in little America. It consists of the Red Wolf tribe, Nastas tribe, and the largest tribe: the Wapiti. However the numbers did dwindle by the events of red dead redemption 2. And you can see that Dutch caused its demise of a tribe. The demise of a culture. Relocated elsewhere outside the American continent. Reduced to a group of families in tsarist Alaska. Not Canada since Canada would considered to be northern American states.
Dutch and his worst enemy did it together: the US Government
I love this. As a Native I know this all too well. I know so many militant men. It's something we need to move past. We've been used more than deserved.
we need a video about charles, he probably the best side character in the game
*Sadie Adler has entered the chat*
@@HarlowRed I loved both of em, fuck it, vids for Charles AND sadie
@@stevenwoods5787 YEAHHHHH
that would actually go hard though
Charles and Sadie are the best support characters in RDR2
@@MCKSAINT Charles is barely in the game until the John Marsten chapter. Lol.
I already know this is gonna be an interesting video, with Dutch being my favorite character and chapter 6 being my fav chapter
Man u have to be crazy to say that chapter 6 was the best 😂. Although Dutch is interesting and complicated character. I grew to despise Dutch and Micah more and more. Dutch is master manipulator and Micah is leech who only cares about him self. and is plain evil. But looking at them as a characters Micah and Dutch are fenomenal.
@@crazycraboff8400 to each their own
You got a twisted mind there...
Chapter 6 is definitely the most crucial & most emotional, the writing in it is better than all the other Chapters combined.
@@TheForgottenBorough It's simply depressing.
Idk why but this vid made me realize the heavy difference in vibe between both game holy hell 🤣
If you read a newspaper article as John Marston, it is revealed that there was no oil on the reservation afterall, meaning that the whole conflict was meaningless. In the end, nobody benefited, not Dutch, the gang, the tribe, the Colonel Favors or the oil companies
Someone need to speak on that lord. I never knew that
Arthur was quite frankly so heart broken during these missions if he wasnt so loyal Arthur would have shot him in rdr 2 after he incited war with the government
Eagle Flies was ready to fight with or without Dutch. Rains Fall admits this in your first interaction at his reservation & I feel if they weren’t already doomed more action would of been taken to prevent the gang from further interference. Unfortunately Dutch was right in saying that it felt “mutually beneficial”. Yes Dutch was trying to use the situation to his advantage but Eagle Flies was using the gang all the same for the things he wanted to accomplish considering his tribe couldn’t single handily take on the U.S. Army.
I think the rapid destruction of the Wapitis would have happened at the same rate if they had never met if you consider Eagle Flies' temperament throughout the entirety of the time knowing him but that's just my opinion.
I'd like to believe he isn't even regretful because he died for his people, & standing up for what he believed in which is of great honor within itself. He saw glory in death just as Rains Fall said.
This is a good comment. Practical.
If there was a spinoff of Red Dead Redemption 2, I would of loved to play through Charles point of View. When you take control of John, I wish the Wapiti Reservation wasn't burnt up. It's sad going there as John.
Trivia: Did you know the voice of Nastas is the same voice actor of Dutch?
Off topic but I love that you deck out Arthur in all black. I do the same, but I ride the white arabian. Think it's a good juxtaposition. My horse's name is Moonlight and I'm on my third playthrough and already cried twice when it died
What Dutch did when its come to the Indians is nothing compared to what American soldiers did to the Indians thats a common fact
What if Arthur killed Dutch and on that mountain?
What if your mom and dad never met?
He would’ve still died from tb
@@tyrequ5303depends if the Loan Shark guy sends Arthur to get his money back . That's how Arthur got TB . So all depends if that mission happens or not .
@@kazikhalid6197 that mission happens regardless
Watching this while in school. 100x more entertaining. Keep up the good work ❤
Take notes kid i want a 1000 word essay by Monday.
@@Heyimkj 💀
Amaizing video. And love your rdr content. Keep up the work ❤.
lol why use the term Indians if u know it’s not correct and call them natives in the video. Love this channel, just asking
Tbf many Native Americans dont care and some even prefer the term Indians
@@orangequill1645don’t speak for them.
Dutch saw an opportunity and ran with it , he knew the wapiti tribe was VERY VULNERABLE . Sad , Rain Falls only wanted peace at his old age , something that Dutch constantly ran from until he was on top of that mountain with John .
6:38 , Who is the guy at the right of the screen leaning against the tree?
Also would love to see a video focused on the Wapiti Indian situation.
Probably just a resident of Butchers Creek.
He done it in rd1 too
I have always loved that red dead showed the truth about what happened to the Natives at the hands of the US Government.
Native Americans *
I will insist to you that Dutch had a plan for the Native Americans.
Dutch said that he will get Charles to go get eagle flies outa jail and Arthur so go to
So u have made alot of videos on red dead 2, but wheres the video where you explain/theorized, How in the hell did Arthur not infect the rest of the gang! Like it wasn't an std , he got it because he was cough on. Sure at a short distance, but though out the game Arthur got real close to alot of characters. Hope u see this , i would actually love to see a video on that .
Nice video
Dutch is like american left wing with minorities :D
does this mean the american right wing with minorities is the Army? :3
"native americans"
Indians don't care what you call them.
Guys, I was thinking, and I think Dutch was a little misunderstood in chapter 6, look: Arthur condemned Dutch's idea of using the Indians as a distraction, but the gang was almost being captured and they needed to do everything to survive ( think, if a person steals food to survive, is he wrong?). At that moment the gang was unable to help anyone, at that moment they needed to help themselves, otherwise they would die, so Dutch wasn't so wrong in using the Indians, as survival was what mattered most at that moment. Also, in chapter 6, Dutch's plan was finally working, they had pulled off their last heist and were fleeing to New York to get on a boat and go to Tahiti, but everything went wrong when Arthur discovered that Micah was the traitor.
I know that some of Dutch's actions are completely wrong, like when he lets Arthur and John die, but even so, Dutch acted much more intelligently in chapter 6 than in the rest of the game (apart from him trusting Micah).
There's a difference between stealing food from someone who needs it less than you and tricking a nation into a war they can't win so that you can slip off to Tahiti.
2nd view
1st view
Now this is epic
I think he was taking advantage of them but I. Also think he was inspired and motivated by their fight. If you notice, he was also very into the fight in gurma against the corrupt military there. And enjoys helping the natives fight the government just. As much Dutch as he says in the first game. Is in his nature just to fight. He wants to fight against the world that he sees is civilized and corrupt and will take the side of any that he sees in that fight