this video inspired me using vim some time ago. Now that I'm more experienced with it, i have to say that I like the "f" function for folding, but you are losing the default behaviour of "f" and "F" function in normal mode, which I consider very useful for moving the cursor. To fold like you do, you can do "set foldmethod=indent" and use the default "za" for folding/unfolding blocks of code. If you want to fold it all, use "zM" and if you want to unfold it all use "zR".
Mouse is only good for noobs to pick things up quickly or something that is used rare-ishly. It's not a proper interface for any professional work. (The same goes for touch interface, BTW)
It was painful watching you uncomment those lines in the .vimrc file. Best thing for uncommenting blocks of code in vim is using Ctrl-v (visual block mode) and then you select all the comment characters and press x. To insert the comments again Ctrl-v and select the front part of the code block then press I then the two ## or whatever you want inserted in front of the the block of code. You have to press when finished and all the comments are back again. Love that feature in vim.
There is a better way, the plugin "tComment". I press gcc in command mode or visual mode and the current (or selected lines) are beeing uncommentet or commentet. Its filetype aware and 99% of the time gets it right
Or use :normal I# for commenting and :normal ^x to uncomment with appropriate ranges Having said that, I can see myself getting nervous in front of a live audience and falling back on less-than-effective editing
Also, I don't recommend overriding the existing vim keywords. He's using f to fold functions, whereas f is used to jump to the first occurrence of a specific letter in a file by default, which I find quite handy.
you use Ctrl+z to save while it is not set up in vim it work as default in the terminal to move a process in the background, to get it back to the forground you type "fg" command and you are back in vim. you can do alot with this like have 4 vim's running and jump from one to a another ... but for any one who hit ctrl+z by error it is "fg" to get back :)
Hahah firt time when it happened to me, I got so paniked, I thought I lost my work... Hahah since then I remember the `fg` comand, which stands to fOREgROUND
Thanks to whoever it was running the camera - you clearly got yourself up into the Cardio Zone swinging that thing around and zooming in and out - but please, next time just point it at the screen and leave it there unless something truly *requires* that we see it. Hint: random audience members making random comments is not one of those things... (Sheesh!)
not to mention every time he deletes more than he wanted he goes back in and inserts the text back manually, why not just u?? I think he used less than five keyboard commands through this entire presentation...
Thank you for this good presentation. Could you please tell us how do you run quickfix ? It seems that you had to install something before, no ? thank you for the reply
quickfix is built into vim. Just run :h quickfix to see the manual on this (there is quite a lot to say about quickfix) For the video he uses the syntastic plugin that does static code analysis. Perhaps this is what you meant?
There is also another very popular plugin manager: vim-addon-manager. The big difference is that it also manages dependencies and that its based on pool of plugins which is also managed by the community. Thus if you're trying to install outdated plugins - VAM can warn you. I use Vim myself. Remind yourself, that Vim offers much more keys for editing and moving than hjkl. Eg removing comment like at 22:50 can be done using ctrl-v3jld - also folding is creat - but using TToc plugin is faster etc.
I can't jump to the line specified in the quickfix window. When I hit enter I get "E21: Cannot make changes, 'modifiable' is off". I can make the quickfix window modifiable with ":set ma" and then jumping works, but I don't want to have to set this option every time. Does anyone know the problem?
Good talk, but rather old, and Martin has probably gotten used better to Vim by now.. ;) You would use jedi-vim or YouCompleteMe for completion (I prefer jedi-vim) now. I also recommend not to remap 'f' etc. The "Aww shit" moment was caused by Ctrl-Z, which put Vim in the background ('fg' would have started it again).
Nice video, vim is a very powerfull editor (I use it), Sublime is also good but Vim is more flexible yet... multiple buffers in vim is awsome, also it let you have mulltiple buffers per tab, Sublime only let you define a layout for all...
For anyone else that has the same question, I think I found the font. It's "Menlo" but to get the cool looking powerline bar at the bottom, you have to install the patched version which you can get from here gist.github.com/qrush/1595572 . After you install the font, you just have to add "let g:Powerline_symbols = 'fancy' " to your ~/.vimrc !
Vim is a great editor, but as an IDE it is quite lacking. Vrapper (eclipse) och Ideavim (jetbrains(pycharm)) gives you Vim mixed with a good IDE and (IMHO) makes for a far more productive toolset.
That it is, while it is leaps and bounds ahead of vanilla VIM or a novice VIM users config it still falls short of a proper IDE. Jetbrains Pycharm (even without ideavim) is far superior to a fully tricked out vim setup.
I have never used eclipse, so the following is partially qualified by my ignorance of the software you are comparing vim to. That said, I have yet to see a function in any IDE that vim cannot replicate. Here is a list of things that I know for a fact are possible (I use many of them myself.): 1) Snippets (including optional keybindings to jump to the next relevant insertion point in the snippet) 2) Keybinding to send visual selection to an interactive console (for python this console can be vanilla python or ipython or bpython or dreampie, you name it. This is not only for python. I also do this for R and for a few other languages as well) 3) Keybinding to compile/run your program in it's current form. This can be done in parallel so you can keep working while it is going on. 4) Color code depending on which language you are writing in. This can be just the background color, or it can be an entire colorscheme. 5) Keybinding to jump to the definition of the function, object, class or variable under the cursor. Change to a different file if necessary. 6) Efficient handling of multiple files, including things such as search and replace on multiple files at once. 7) Regex for search and replace, etc. 8) Static code analysis (for pretty much any language you could dream of. If an engine that runs the analysis for the language exists, you can plug the engine into vim). 9) Autocompletion, not only for elements of the language but also for names of files in the project, lines in the file, etc. 10) Git integration. 11) Multiple registers (for cutting and pasting, or for other purposes.) So um . . . did I miss anything? What can Eclipse do that vim cannot? Of note, most of the above do not require any kind of plugins (the only ones that require plugins are 8 and 10). I'm not sure I would even say that having all of this working means your vim setup is fully tricked out. In fact, pretty much the only one that was at all difficult to get working was 2 (It is probably easier if you embed vim in tmux, but I got it working without tmux.) Also of note, most of the vimrc in the video is giving vim functionality that it actually already has by default. Some of it also overwrites some very useful stuff that vim has built in as well. I would not call it "leaps and bounds ahead of a novice Vim config" because that would mean it is leaps and bounds ahead of itself. Lastly, I have yet to see any program with a vim wrapper than actually makes the program work like vim. Most of them simply add a few of vim's keybindings. The thing is, vim is a lot like a language. To throw in a bunch of vim keybindings is like adding in several of the words from the language, but not adding any of the grammar that allows you to string the words together and say something meaningful.
backspace ... value effect 0 same as ":set backspace=" (Vi compatible) 1 same as ":set backspace=indent,eol" 2 same as ":set backspace=indent,eol,start" in the video, you needed to close out of vim and reopen it **or** `:set bs=` if you wanted to demonstrate how backspace would not "work".
The way he deletes " and whitespace from the beginning of each line bothers me a lot. He should just block select and delete it, instead of deleting everything one by one.
Quit at 22:30. I couldn't stand to watch him delete individual characters from the .vimrc any longer. No dw? No block selection? No . repeat? Why even use Vim?
Which finger is that exactly? The general idea is to have your index finger on j and your ring finger on l, then you use your index finger to press h when necessary.
Ok, this has nothing to do with Python. But it may still be of use to anybody who needs to do programming on various unix machines. The presenter has only one year of Vim experinece and it shows, but on the other hand he is a smart person. Ymmv.
I used sublimes "vintage" mode today and for a minute forgot I was in Sublime Text. Then I hit "ctrl-q" for visual-block selection and exited sublime...
how do I to the file to edit the config vim settings? I am new to ubuntu and want to learn to use vim. Please explain like to a 3rd grader with all commands and assume nothing, except that vim is properly installed and terminal is running on ubuntu 12. What next to get to vimrc and edit settings?
So, it took him 20 min to setup his environment only to the point where he is able to code. Until that point, even he, who is experienced with vim, had a "what the f just happened" moments. And to install a shit ton of plugins (and compiling vim itself with different option) to enable better (from non) support for 1 language. Does all of this now called "cross platform, standard on most systems, very fast"? And imagine if work machine already has it's own customized vim (of course, you can install your own, but still). This is not IDE, it is just a text editor. And feel of self satisfaction that you are better than everyone else (for some god forsaken reason) doesn't make it any better.
How else would you get an executable program if you don't compile it? Most(probably all) binary distributions have binaries for vim and I'm pretty sure they all come with python support, but if you don't take package managers into account, you have to compile your programs anyway. (Some people like that and use Gentoo... I don't) As for lots of configuration and plugins, he was just showing his setup and what he likes about it. I have to admit, vim without any configuration is not as great, especially the colourscheme, but a lot of tools seem to have that problem. (tmux, for example). I think the reason is that these tools assume you don't have a 256-color terminal and to keep them as lightweight as possible. I wish they'd come with nicer default-themes. The rest of the configuration is not necessary and I'd actually advise against some of it. Especially binding C-Z. It's sometimes useful to suspend vim and drop to a terminal. The guy in the video did that and had no idea what was going on, though. Which brings me to the next point. Vim is made for power users. It is not meant to be an easy to use editor, but rather an editor that is insanely powerful and efficient. It takes a while to get used to it, but once you do, you will cringe every time you have to use a lesser editor. Installing shit-tons of plugins is also not necessary. I have 12 plugins installed and I'm very happy with it. The need for plugins is obvious, since it is a text editor and is meant for editing text. It does come with syntax highlighting for just about every language, but more advanced features that are language dependent would take up way too much space. Using plugins for that is a great solution. (Most IDEs do it the same way. Eclipse for example, really has shitloads of plugins. It just comes preinstalled with a lot of them, depending on which of the countless versions you download.) SSH-ing into a machine and using vim on it is something I often do, but only for configuration files and not for code. You still have a lot of good features in an unconfigured vim (or even vi, since vim is NOT installed by default on a lot of systems. vi is) that you wouldn't have in, say, nano... Instead of installing your own configuration on a remote machine, you can just use your local vim and edit the file remotely. Vim does have support for that. And finally, yes, you are right. Vim is a text editor and not an IDE. It's not trying to be integrated, but you can make it that way, which is what he was describing in the video. Source code is, in essence, text and a text editor is suitable for editing it. Want to get errors and warnings underlines? Easy, install the appropriate plugin. Want to compile your stuff by pressing a button? Already there... There is not much that separates a nicely configured vim from an IDE, except for the fact that vim does a better job at efficient editing.
***** Maybe its not for you, but if you master vim then there are things that no editor/ide can ever do for you. Think of it like the Batmobile. Customized only for one and only bat.
***** It takes 2min to install Vundle (or another) plugin manager and install everything with one click. You just have to keep your .vimrc file somewhere in clouds.
TL;DR ... use: augroup AutoSourceVimrc autocmd! autocmd bufwritepost .vimrc source % augroup END instead of autocmd! bufwritepost .vimrc source % --- No one else seems to have caught this in the comments but this: autocmd! bufwritepost .vimrc source % is pretty gruesomely terrible because everytime you write your vimrc now, you add *all* of those autocmds in your vimrc to the autocmd list. Unfortunately, it is the first thing you show us, as well. Instead you should use what I show above. E.g.: augroup AutoSourceVimrc autocmd! autocmd bufwritepost .vimrc source % augroup END from :h autocmd-define ... :autocmd` adds to the list of autocommands regardless of whether they are already present. When your .vimrc file is sourced twice, the autocommands will appear twice. To avoid this, define your autocommands in a group, so that you can easily clear them: augroup vimrc autocmd! " Remove all vimrc autocommands au BufNewFile,BufRead *.html so :h/html.vim augroup END
Once he grew up a bit, maybe he will start using real IDE to get more effective and suitable for work on complex projects. Yeah, but is looses that geek flavor to be special using oldfashion console editor.
I cringed every time he was going down line by line and uncommenting code by deleting single characters. Selecting a block with Ctrl-V and pressing d would have been way more efficient.
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this video inspired me using vim some time ago. Now that I'm more experienced with it, i have to say that I like the "f" function for folding, but you are losing the default behaviour of "f" and "F" function in normal mode, which I consider very useful for moving the cursor. To fold like you do, you can do "set foldmethod=indent" and use the default "za" for folding/unfolding blocks of code. If you want to fold it all, use "zM" and if you want to unfold it all use "zR".
enabling the mouse is against the whole principle of vim, I guess.
+Abdelaziz Yakout Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds
each time you use mouse in vim, small kitten dies
Mouse is only good for noobs to pick things up quickly or something that is used rare-ishly. It's not a proper interface for any professional work. (The same goes for touch interface, BTW)
I find it easy to change window sizes easily outside of tmux
@@madhurchauhan1288 Indeed; my i3 tiling wm also allows this.
It was painful watching you uncomment those lines in the .vimrc file. Best thing for uncommenting blocks of code in vim is using Ctrl-v (visual block mode) and then you select all the comment characters and press x. To insert the comments again Ctrl-v and select the front part of the code block then press I then the two ## or whatever you want inserted in front of the the block of code. You have to press when finished and all the comments are back again. Love that feature in vim.
There is a better way, the plugin "tComment". I press gcc in command mode or visual mode and the current (or selected lines) are beeing uncommentet or commentet. Its filetype aware and 99% of the time gets it right
Or at least he could have gone to the beginning of the single line to uncomment and pressed 3x
Or use :normal I# for commenting and :normal ^x to uncomment with appropriate ranges
Having said that, I can see myself getting nervous in front of a live audience and falling back on less-than-effective editing
nearly 9 yrs later . some kid is inspired again
Bram will live forever!
New to VIM, only been using it as my primary editor for 2 weeks.. a total n00b.
I must say i'm glad to hear him say "bah!" every once in awhile.
Also, I don't recommend overriding the existing vim keywords. He's using f to fold functions, whereas f is used to jump to the first occurrence of a specific letter in a file by default, which I find quite handy.
you use Ctrl+z to save while it is not set up in vim it work as default in the terminal to move a process in the background, to get it back to the forground you type "fg" command and you are back in vim. you can do alot with this like have 4 vim's running and jump from one to a another ... but for any one who hit ctrl+z by error it is "fg" to get back :)
Hahah firt time when it happened to me, I got so paniked, I thought I lost my work...
Hahah since then I remember the `fg` comand, which stands to fOREgROUND
Thanks to whoever it was running the camera - you clearly got yourself up into the Cardio Zone swinging that thing around and zooming in and out - but please, next time just point it at the screen and leave it there unless something truly *requires* that we see it. Hint: random audience members making random comments is not one of those things... (Sheesh!)
not to mention every time he deletes more than he wanted he goes back in and inserts the text back manually, why not just u?? I think he used less than five keyboard commands through this entire presentation...
Hey Martin, great video! What font are you using for your terminal?
Thank you for this good presentation.
Could you please tell us how do you run quickfix ? It seems that you had to install something before, no ?
thank you for the reply
quickfix is built into vim. Just run :h quickfix to see the manual on this (there is quite a lot to say about quickfix)
For the video he uses the syntastic plugin that does static code analysis. Perhaps this is what you meant?
I get that the guy wasn't master yoda of vim, but still wanted to share it.
Useful info
gT and get can be used to move between tabs
28:50 - little gem: how to use pdb like a professional
Agreed. I use vim for small quick edits because it's convenient and runs in terminal but for actually writing code I always use Sublime Text.
That was apretty cool talk.
And I grabed some tasty bits of code for my .vimrc file.
Thank you very much :) :)
There is also another very popular plugin manager: vim-addon-manager. The big difference is that it also manages dependencies and that its based on pool of plugins which is also managed by the community. Thus if you're trying to install outdated plugins - VAM can warn you. I use Vim myself. Remind yourself, that Vim offers much more keys for editing and moving than hjkl. Eg removing comment like at 22:50 can be done using ctrl-v3jld - also folding is creat - but using TToc plugin is faster etc.
Sublime text is AWESOME!!! ""Cross platform"", Feature packed and light. Best thing since multi core procs.
I use Sublime Text to write code but Vim to write git commit messages and for some other small tasks. This will make my vim experience better.
I can't jump to the line specified in the quickfix window. When I hit enter I get "E21: Cannot make changes, 'modifiable' is off". I can make the quickfix window modifiable with ":set ma" and then jumping works, but I don't want to have to set this option every time. Does anyone know the problem?
Can't believe you've set f for folding 🙄
You're missing on such a basic function
Why?
@@adrianopinaffo f for find
Yeshwanth Reddy / for find
Not search in text mate... Find a character in line and jump cursor to that character
Good talk, but rather old, and Martin has probably gotten used better to Vim by now.. ;)
You would use jedi-vim or YouCompleteMe for completion (I prefer jedi-vim) now. I also recommend not to remap 'f' etc. The "Aww shit" moment was caused by Ctrl-Z, which put Vim in the background ('fg' would have started it again).
This is a nice demonstration that graphical IDEs are actually useful.
In case your SSH drops, use Mosh
Does anyone know where's the initial .vimrc from?
OK found it: github.com/mbrochh/vim-as-a-python-ide/blob/master/.vimrc
flake8 and pep8!
Are you using python2 or 3?
Chen Yu Python2.7, nice to see you here BTW :) Following the talk, I've created a git repo: github.com/flyfy1/dotFiles
Nice video, vim is a very powerfull editor (I use it), Sublime is also good but Vim is more flexible yet... multiple buffers in vim is awsome, also it let you have mulltiple buffers per tab, Sublime only let you define a layout for all...
The claps at the start sound like me using vim.
You can quit with ZZ and ZQ, no need for extra binding.
alt gr does not exist on international or english keyboards though :)
This video is old but still got a few things that I didn't know
I was hoping to see more python centrics configuration, like to deal with class and def for identation. Code browsing or python debugging.
Awesome and thanks alot..
It's old but still most of it worked for me.
can you run the python debugger from inside vim?
hey did you find the answer?
If you already have nstalled python3 and vim how can you enable the python interpreter?
Jose Francis
1 second ago
Please see video by LucidProgramming on the subject "setting up vim for Pytlhon development"
Do I need admin right to install VIM ?
For anyone else that has the same question, I think I found the font. It's "Menlo" but to get the cool looking powerline bar at the bottom, you have to install the patched version which you can get from here gist.github.com/qrush/1595572 . After you install the font, you just have to add "let g:Powerline_symbols = 'fancy' " to your ~/.vimrc !
Why not add vi plugins to your modern ide?
Vim is a great editor, but as an IDE it is quite lacking. Vrapper (eclipse) och Ideavim (jetbrains(pycharm)) gives you Vim mixed with a good IDE and (IMHO) makes for a far more productive toolset.
Remedying that issue is the whole point of this video :S
That it is, while it is leaps and bounds ahead of vanilla VIM or a novice VIM users config it still falls short of a proper IDE. Jetbrains Pycharm (even without ideavim) is far superior to a fully tricked out vim setup.
I have never used eclipse, so the following is partially qualified by my ignorance of the software you are comparing vim to. That said, I have yet to see a function in any IDE that vim cannot replicate. Here is a list of things that I know for a fact are possible (I use many of them myself.):
1) Snippets (including optional keybindings to jump to the next relevant insertion point in the snippet)
2) Keybinding to send visual selection to an interactive console (for python this console can be vanilla python or ipython or bpython or dreampie, you name it. This is not only for python. I also do this for R and for a few other languages as well)
3) Keybinding to compile/run your program in it's current form. This can be done in parallel so you can keep working while it is going on.
4) Color code depending on which language you are writing in. This can be just the background color, or it can be an entire colorscheme.
5) Keybinding to jump to the definition of the function, object, class or variable under the cursor. Change to a different file if necessary.
6) Efficient handling of multiple files, including things such as search and replace on multiple files at once.
7) Regex for search and replace, etc.
8) Static code analysis (for pretty much any language you could dream of. If an engine that runs the analysis for the language exists, you can plug the engine into vim).
9) Autocompletion, not only for elements of the language but also for names of files in the project, lines in the file, etc.
10) Git integration.
11) Multiple registers (for cutting and pasting, or for other purposes.)
So um . . . did I miss anything? What can Eclipse do that vim cannot?
Of note, most of the above do not require any kind of plugins (the only ones that require plugins are 8 and 10). I'm not sure I would even say that having all of this working means your vim setup is fully tricked out. In fact, pretty much the only one that was at all difficult to get working was 2 (It is probably easier if you embed vim in tmux, but I got it working without tmux.)
Also of note, most of the vimrc in the video is giving vim functionality that it actually already has by default. Some of it also overwrites some very useful stuff that vim has built in as well. I would not call it "leaps and bounds ahead of a novice Vim config" because that would mean it is leaps and bounds ahead of itself.
Lastly, I have yet to see any program with a vim wrapper than actually makes the program work like vim. Most of them simply add a few of vim's keybindings. The thing is, vim is a lot like a language. To throw in a bunch of vim keybindings is like adding in several of the words from the language, but not adding any of the grammar that allows you to string the words together and say something meaningful.
just use vundle to install plugins
Please see video by LucidProgramming on the subject "setting up vim for Pytlhon development"
backspace ...
value effect
0 same as ":set backspace=" (Vi compatible)
1 same as ":set backspace=indent,eol"
2 same as ":set backspace=indent,eol,start"
in the video, you needed to close out of vim and reopen it **or** `:set bs=` if you wanted to demonstrate how backspace would not "work".
Thanks for the video!
BTW Menlo is just an apple version od vera sans font.
you could provide the file configuration of the VIM?
github.com/mbrochh/vim-as-a-python-ide/blob/master/.vimrc
Yegor Ivashchenko thank you
why you need to switch the damn camera all the time?? Just stick to slides -_- People must pass a "Making video 101" before they touching it
The way he deletes " and whitespace from the beginning of each line bothers me a lot. He should just block select and delete it, instead of deleting everything one by one.
top vim tip : remap "alt gr" to "esc" you can switch modes with you right thumb then :D
7 years ago....oh im getting old :/
Quit at 22:30. I couldn't stand to watch him delete individual characters from the .vimrc any longer. No dw? No block selection? No . repeat? Why even use Vim?
Actually, hjkl hurts my last finger. I would love to try it
Which finger is that exactly? The general idea is to have your index finger on j and your ring finger on l, then you use your index finger to press h when necessary.
can i have the .vimrc file please? i dont have power to creat my own... i just want a quick setup.
Hahahha that drove me crazy too! That situation was made for Visual-Block selection!
Why NOT?
Super nice video on how to use #vim as #python #ide
I just loved it :D Have arose a interest in me to use vim instead of other visual IDE
Yes, I get all that out of the box with Visual Studio Code. :grin:
Sivabudh Umpudh Good! Use that then.
Ok, this has nothing to do with Python. But it may still be of use to anybody who needs to do programming on various unix machines.
The presenter has only one year of Vim experinece and it shows, but on the other hand he is a smart person. Ymmv.
clicks on video *sees macbook* leaves video
Love the "disable stupid backup and swap files"... :-)
Just love it!!!
I used sublimes "vintage" mode today and for a minute forgot I was in Sublime Text. Then I hit "ctrl-q" for visual-block selection and exited sublime...
how do I to the file to edit the config vim settings? I am new to ubuntu and want to learn to use vim. Please explain like to a 3rd grader with all commands and assume nothing, except that vim is properly installed and terminal is running on ubuntu 12. What next to get to vimrc and edit settings?
Jose Francis
1 second ago
Please see video by LucidProgramming on the subject "setting up vim for Pytlhon development"
absolutely great thx
Hi thanks for a great video
It is good for your health (HJKL movement).
... Goes ahead and enables mouse mode
Using vim on a mac...
WHY?
So, it took him 20 min to setup his environment only to the point where he is able to code. Until that point, even he, who is experienced with vim, had a "what the f just happened" moments. And to install a shit ton of plugins (and compiling vim itself with different option) to enable better (from non) support for 1 language. Does all of this now called "cross platform, standard on most systems, very fast"? And imagine if work machine already has it's own customized vim (of course, you can install your own, but still).
This is not IDE, it is just a text editor. And feel of self satisfaction that you are better than everyone else (for some god forsaken reason) doesn't make it any better.
How else would you get an executable program if you don't compile it?
Most(probably all) binary distributions have binaries for vim and I'm pretty sure they all come with python support, but if you don't take package managers into account, you have to compile your programs anyway. (Some people like that and use Gentoo... I don't)
As for lots of configuration and plugins, he was just showing his setup and what he likes about it. I have to admit, vim without any configuration is not as great, especially the colourscheme, but a lot of tools seem to have that problem. (tmux, for example). I think the reason is that these tools assume you don't have a 256-color terminal and to keep them as lightweight as possible. I wish they'd come with nicer default-themes.
The rest of the configuration is not necessary and I'd actually advise against some of it. Especially binding C-Z. It's sometimes useful to suspend vim and drop to a terminal. The guy in the video did that and had no idea what was going on, though. Which brings me to the next point.
Vim is made for power users. It is not meant to be an easy to use editor, but rather an editor that is insanely powerful and efficient. It takes a while to get used to it, but once you do, you will cringe every time you have to use a lesser editor.
Installing shit-tons of plugins is also not necessary. I have 12 plugins installed and I'm very happy with it.
The need for plugins is obvious, since it is a text editor and is meant for editing text. It does come with syntax highlighting for just about every language, but more advanced features that are language dependent would take up way too much space. Using plugins for that is a great solution. (Most IDEs do it the same way. Eclipse for example, really has shitloads of plugins. It just comes preinstalled with a lot of them, depending on which of the countless versions you download.)
SSH-ing into a machine and using vim on it is something I often do, but only for configuration files and not for code. You still have a lot of good features in an unconfigured vim (or even vi, since vim is NOT installed by default on a lot of systems. vi is) that you wouldn't have in, say, nano...
Instead of installing your own configuration on a remote machine, you can just use your local vim and edit the file remotely. Vim does have support for that.
And finally, yes, you are right. Vim is a text editor and not an IDE. It's not trying to be integrated, but you can make it that way, which is what he was describing in the video. Source code is, in essence, text and a text editor is suitable for editing it. Want to get errors and warnings underlines? Easy, install the appropriate plugin. Want to compile your stuff by pressing a button? Already there... There is not much that separates a nicely configured vim from an IDE, except for the fact that vim does a better job at efficient editing.
***** Maybe its not for you, but if you master vim then there are things that no editor/ide can ever do for you. Think of it like the Batmobile. Customized only for one and only bat.
Mohammad Abdullah well.. i never liked batman anyway :P
***** It takes 2min to install Vundle (or another) plugin manager and install everything with one click. You just have to keep your .vimrc file somewhere in clouds.
You can actually go a long ways with just Vim, and a little configuration.
"Ha! I am confused" 19:00
That should become a meme hahahahahaha
lol
TL;DR ... use:
augroup AutoSourceVimrc
autocmd!
autocmd bufwritepost .vimrc source %
augroup END
instead of autocmd! bufwritepost .vimrc source %
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No one else seems to have caught this in the comments but this:
autocmd! bufwritepost .vimrc source %
is pretty gruesomely terrible because everytime you write your vimrc now, you add *all* of those autocmds in your vimrc to the autocmd list. Unfortunately, it is the first thing you show us, as well.
Instead you should use what I show above. E.g.:
augroup AutoSourceVimrc
autocmd!
autocmd bufwritepost .vimrc source %
augroup END
from :h autocmd-define ...
:autocmd` adds to the list of autocommands regardless of whether they are
already present. When your .vimrc file is sourced twice, the autocommands
will appear twice. To avoid this, define your autocommands in a group, so
that you can easily clear them:
augroup vimrc
autocmd! " Remove all vimrc autocommands
au BufNewFile,BufRead *.html so :h/html.vim
augroup END
how can i install vim on windows7
????
please help me
code.google.com/p/vim-win3264/wiki/Win64Binaries
i think you can do it!
Prabhakar Devineni cygwin
Vimmers used social distance before it became mainstream
It should work out of the box. Just open the terminal and type vim test.py
Can any one help me to configure VIM as a python editor in ubuntu, I didn't get it working...
thank for this interesting video
dude if he does that then people will lose track of watching what he is doing.
omfg! You with the camera! STAHP
That's pretty chill...7fold
maybe I will switch to vim someday :) Awesome!
Yea! for VI ! !!!!
Once he grew up a bit, maybe he will start using real IDE to get more effective and suitable for work on complex projects. Yeah, but is looses that geek flavor to be special using oldfashion console editor.
I grew tired of big fat IDEs taking forever to load and full of glitches and updates. In Vim, I can fix the glitches faster and improve my workflow.
This guy needs to go read the VIM documentation.
Love that accent
22:43 painful to watch him do it that way, one by one💀
Well, PEP 8 disagrees with Ken Thompson then :P
Cool stuff!!! :-)
16:08 - thanks!!!
Why did they let that noob talk about vim? He "knows" what vim is all about... but he doesn't use the power of vim o_O (N)
Im user vim IDE for programation
"Real programmers dont use tabs, they use spaces". Ken Thompson disagrees with you :)
i thought my stomach was growling at the first part.
user terminal tabs instead, don't bother with VIM tabs )
Lol Awww shit... at 12:14
3x. 3x!!!!
He should watch his language. He looks very unprofessional because of that!
not a GREAT VIDEO . He takes time to come to the task.
I cringed every time he was going down line by line and uncommenting code by deleting single characters. Selecting a block with Ctrl-V and pressing d would have been way more efficient.
lol way to go. What do you expect from a Max user. haha
3-x
Rapid and continuous talking is not recommended. Relax. Make a point and stop for a second or two. Talk less and show more.
HJKL FTW
:D !!!!
I'll stick to pycharm :)
python-mode doesn't work for me :( I keep trying to make vim "worth it", but time and time again it proves to be a pile of dogshit.
This isn't compelling.