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  • Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
  • GROND! Not only was it the name of the battering ram of Mordor, it was also the name of Morgoth's mace which he weilded in his duel with the High King Fingolfin. We'll address the common question of whether these could be the same weapon while also looking at the history of both!
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    Grond - WETA
    By the Gates of Angband - CK Goskoy
    Morgoth and Fingolfin - Catherine Chmiel
    Grond - John Howe
    Grond sketch - John Howe
    The Fall of Fingolfin - Dracarysdrekkar7
    Grond - Ralph Damiani
    Then Morgoth Came - Skullb*st*rd
    The Coming of Glaurung - Alan Lee
    Battle of Sudden Flame - Alan Lee
    Fingolfin - Jenny Dolfen
    Beleriand Map -Lamaarcana
    Fingolfin's Wrath - Ted Nasmith
    Fingolfin challenges Morgoth, The Gate of Angband - Pete Amachree
    Gates of Angband - CK Goksoy
    Morgoth - Weirling
    Morgoth vs Fingolfin - Kip Rasmussen
    Morgoth and the High King of the Noldor - Ted Nasmith
    Fingolfin's Challenge - John Howe
    Nolofinwe - Ralph Damiani
    Orcs - Aegeri
    Thrice He Rose - Jenny Dolfen
    Fingolfin and Morgoth - MattLeese87
    Fingolfin vs Morgoth - Kuliszu
    Fingolfin and Morgoth - Aegeri
    Fingolfin and Morgoth - Pete Amachree
    Fingolfin - dracarysdrekkar7
    The Witch King - Weirling
    Cirith Gorgor - Ted Nasmith
    Grond Leaves Mordor - Olanda Fong-Surdenas
    In Rode the Lord of the Nazgul - Onirio
    Fingolfin facing Morgoth - TolmanCotton
    Knight of Dol Amroth - Dracarysdrekkar7
    City Under Siege - Turner Mohan
    The Siege of Gondor - Alan Lee
    Siege of Helm's Deep - Weirling
    Grond - WETA
    Grond - WETA
    Attack on Helm's Deep - Ivan Cavini
    Witch-King - John Howe
    The Witch King - John Howe
    Gandalf vs Witch-king - Angus McBride
    Minas Tirith - Aegeri
    Minas Tirith - Ralph Damiani
    Minas Tirith sketch - Alan Lee
    Eowyn and the Witch-king - Aegeri
    The Witch-king - John Howe
    Witch King at Minas Morgul - Elrodimus Flash
    Fingolfin vs Morgoth - Kuliszu
    Mount Doom - Elrodimus Flash
    Battle of the Pelennor Fields - Aegeri
    Thus Came Aragorn - Ted Nasmith
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  • @NerdoftheRings
    @NerdoftheRings  2 года назад +66

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    GROND!!

  • @shaunholt
    @shaunholt 2 года назад +714

    Fantasy writers: A battering ram!
    Tolkien: First, we need to go back and explore thousands of years of lore.

    • @adrianjuarez1162
      @adrianjuarez1162 Год назад +32

      @@mercharris5266 books man books.

    • @KuK137
      @KuK137 Год назад +6

      @@mercharris5266 It's called a library. And he worked at a university with a huge one. Try it someday?

    • @zenthous9568
      @zenthous9568 Год назад +18

      @@KuK137 chill

    • @gannonjones7614
      @gannonjones7614 Год назад

      @@KuK137 it's called not sounding like a dick, try it someday!

    • @judochopmaster8233
      @judochopmaster8233 Год назад +21

      @@KuK137 "Look at me, an intellectual! I read books so im better than you! Huzzah!"

  • @andreiaurariu8931
    @andreiaurariu8931 2 года назад +491

    Even now, I can hear the orcs from the LOTR movie shouting: "Grond! Grond! Grond!" ...and I can see Gandalf who looks terrified at the enormous battering ram

    • @anthonykent00
      @anthonykent00 2 года назад

      I love the LOTR movies, but the Grond scene in the Rankin and Bass animation is my favorite.
      ruclips.net/video/vqehyo9KYCk/видео.html

    • @Count.Saruman
      @Count.Saruman 2 года назад +17

      That's why I disliked the scene in the movie. Gandalf is a damn maia and has seen so many worse things in his time. He might look tired, or weary or even worried, but terrified is just too much.

    • @andreiaurariu8931
      @andreiaurariu8931 2 года назад +11

      @@Count.Saruman true, but his face can't change the fact that he kinda seems frightened for what was about to come

    • @Count.Saruman
      @Count.Saruman 2 года назад +7

      @@andreiaurariu8931 That's the point. It should not have frightened him. He faced down a Balrog already. He used to have personal audience with Nienna (a full Vala), which would be terrifying, and came out of it with wisdom. The most he should be is worried for the humans that would die that day, but he should not feel fear. It's like that other scene where the Witch-King breaks his staff despite having no such capability.

    • @andreiaurariu8931
      @andreiaurariu8931 2 года назад +12

      @@Count.Saruman fair enough, but to be honest, I did like a little bit to see Gandalf scared xd ...keeps the tension in the air and makes you to see what's coming next..I did not read the books, but maybe one day I will do. Overall, LOTR and The Hobbit trilogies are my favourite above other movies

  • @keeganbate8935
    @keeganbate8935 2 года назад +491

    Fingolfin's duel with Morgoth will never not be epic, even if tragic and doomed

    • @sweeperboy
      @sweeperboy 2 года назад +34

      Yes, and it actually achieved something, despite appearances. So traumatised and injured was Morgoth (both from Fingolfin's attacks and that of Thorondor) that he never again came out to fight anyone until the host of the Valar came, unroofed his citadel and found him cowering in the bottom-most pits. Imagine if Morgoth had won without any cost to himself? He might have taken to the battlefield more, to the ruin of the Eldar.

    • @profile3649
      @profile3649 2 года назад +16

      it would be really cool to see in live action

    • @alanmike6883
      @alanmike6883 2 года назад +1

      I've been thinking.
      I've been thinking about the possible scenario of the what if numenor used its full resources to conquer me.
      Phase one if forces are not already complete.
      Immediate naval blockade of Lindon.
      Landing troops in the old site of Lond daer. To make camps between what would've been THARBAD to down to the mouth of the river.
      To 'siege' eriador and the elves, middle men and faithful numenorians living in the area.
      At same time id construct the equivalents of isengard and helms deep till in their relevant places to prevent flank attacks by greenwood and lorien.
      Phase two
      Immediately gather my colonies at umbar and to the south and my client states to muster a large force of arms to march north and pacify the area known as gondor to fight the faithful there. Using my fleet to provide naval support and eventually reinforcements from numenor to destroy and capture the faithful ports..
      Phase three.
      March north and fight lorien.
      Essentially to destroy the forest to prevent places to hide.
      These are the forces of king amdir.
      Any survivors might flee to greenwood, imladris and if they are friendly to the dwarves which I'm not sure about, khazad dum.
      Then in a reverse of the last alliance March from north to south, id go to south to north for the passes leading to imladris to attack the flank. While that goes on, my forces south of eriador will after receiving steady reinforcements, would march north across the river.
      Split into three prongs.
      Phase four
      One prong will head to Lindon proper to pin down reinforcements, while supplied by the fleet. The center prong with cleanse the area which would've become arnor to wipe out the elves, and faithful and enslave the middle men.
      The right flank would join up with the army that secured, (gondor and Rohan and lorien) and attack the rear of any elven forces and survivors who fled to imladris.
      Once Elrond and any force is gone, both armies to join the middle prong to reform and join the left prong holding down Lindon.
      Phase four.
      Full scale assault on the borders of Lindon to the Grey havens.
      Long bloody campaign since escape is impossible thanks to my numenorian fleet.
      Then besiege the havens and assault it on one flank and a second flank like a d day style landing with reinforcements from the south and additional from numenor.
      Phase five
      The Eldar are gone, the faithful are gone.
      Spend a few years resupply and securing everything west of the anduin river.
      When time is right go full force including a repeat of lorien on a grandeur scale on the kingdom of greenwood and the realms of men to the east.
      I don't know if the dwarves can be conquered or if all halls and Dwarven kingdom's can be taken.
      Maybe the ones in the blue mountains and iron hills.
      Unlikely khazad dum and erebor.
      Maybe the gray mountains?
      Any thoughts or comment's would be welcomed 😊👍

    • @bretthowell5592
      @bretthowell5592 2 года назад

      He failed.

    • @aradoran
      @aradoran 2 года назад +6

      Absolutely. The visuals Tolkien painted of him riding alone into Angband, eyes ablaze, was just remarkable. One of my favorite stories from the Silmarillion. It was truly Epic.

  • @KingOfSciliy
    @KingOfSciliy 2 года назад +132

    Interesting how Sauron chose a wolf motif for his own vision of Grond, considering that Sauron was the maker of the Werewolves in the First Age, even possessing the ability at one time to transform into a large wolf.

    • @samuelbattershell3413
      @samuelbattershell3413 2 года назад +17

      technically Morgoth was the one that came up with Werewolves, but Sauron was the one that actually brought them to fruition, and Werewolves followed their true master (Sauron) on to the end of the 3rd age.

    • @martinpeasha2638
      @martinpeasha2638 Год назад

      ya untill Huan the Hound of Valinor bitched him so bad.

    • @17Watman
      @17Watman 9 месяцев назад +2

      I thinks the Wolf theme of Grond symbolizes the Great Wolf Carcharoth, who bit the hand of Beren holding a Silmaril. Due to Carcharoth’s evil nature the Silmaril burned him from his insides, driving him mad with pain.

  • @isaackim7675
    @isaackim7675 2 года назад +143

    Orc Lieutenant, “But nothing could break it!”
    Orc Commander, “Hold my Grond.”

    • @valentinkambushev4968
      @valentinkambushev4968 2 года назад +7

      "😈Bring out the wolf's head!" Pure badassary!

    • @isaackim7675
      @isaackim7675 2 года назад +3

      @@valentinkambushev4968 I’m definitely glad they added that moment in the extended version

    • @roddo1955
      @roddo1955 2 года назад +5

      Orc Lieutenant:" okay, I'll hold your Grond. What are you going to use, instead?"

    • @seregrian5675
      @seregrian5675 2 года назад +7

      Was there not a meme not long past, where if someone stated that a thing could not be done, the reply was "Grond will breach it..."

    • @santaboy4818
      @santaboy4818 Год назад +2

      @@seregrian5675 the "hold my beer" of middle earth/tolkien fandom

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um 2 года назад +221

    It is told that Grond (battering ram) had been induced with "spells of ruin".

    • @theblackflame4002
      @theblackflame4002 2 года назад +8

      One of my favorite lines ever, and I loved the image of it in the movie

    • @ggalloway1
      @ggalloway1 2 года назад +12

      Probably depleted uranium... 😉

    • @bretthowell5592
      @bretthowell5592 2 года назад

      Lies

    • @ogately
      @ogately 2 года назад

      But the spells are from the witch king

    • @gregbors8364
      @gregbors8364 Год назад +2

      @@bretthowell5592 No, I believe JayJay is telling the truth

  • @Mentallect
    @Mentallect 2 года назад +295

    It's possible the two Gronds are the same, but it's more likely Sauron named his ram Grond in homage to his former master.

    • @CT-pi2gl
      @CT-pi2gl 2 года назад +20

      More like out of Sauron's own arrogance, who imagined himself by that point being as great or greater than his old master.

    • @ryancruz1876
      @ryancruz1876 2 года назад +4

      I don’t think Sauron or Morgoth would use the Sindarin names for things. It’s likely that neither used the word “grond” to describe their own respective items. Sauron likely used black speech words (in the third age) and Morgoth possibly used a form Quenya or “Melkian” or Valarin.

    • @Count.Saruman
      @Count.Saruman 2 года назад +18

      @@ryancruz1876 Sauron was very skilled in both Elven Languages, as shown by his time in Eregion and the writing on the rings. He had no qualms with appropriating elvish script and names (Annatar). Black Speech was mostly made as a device for his servants to speak, not himself. As for Melkian, it is- like Aulëan and Oromëan- a primitive form of Valarin that Tolkien eventually abandoned as an idea.
      Going on from this, Morgoth may not have called his hammer Grond, but Sauron might have been aware that the elves called it that, and renamed his battering ram 'Grond' to evoke the same fear and terror as the name is historically significant.

  • @MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio
    @MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio 2 года назад +256

    I could see how the original mace Grond could have been reforged into parts of Grond, the battering ram. For example, they could have used the iron to band the wood or to form the wolf's head. Such iron would likely have had tremendous power just from being associated with Morgoth and would have greatly enhanced any enchantments by the Witch-King. That is, if it did survive into the Third Age to be claimed by him.

    • @morgothfromangband6082
      @morgothfromangband6082 2 года назад +11

      But how could Sauron get access to Grond remains? The orcs would have to dive in the see with some scuba diving technology to find Grond and get it out from the sunken ruins of Angband.

    • @magatetus
      @magatetus 2 года назад +23

      @@morgothfromangband6082 A lot was done in the wars of the Witch-King that's not mention so it's possible with his sorcery that he corrupted or influenced a sea monster to recover pieces, think about the Watcher of the Water near the entrance of Moria, it seemed to be only after Frodo, as Gandalf said, "There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of the world."

    • @mitch775
      @mitch775 Год назад +1

      It seems to me more likely that it would be, at least in part, of the Warhammer of Morgoth than it being of entirely new smelt. Tolkien tended to change the names of items as they reforged but not to rename something else, that is entirely different, the same name. Grond The Wolf’s Head and Grond The Warhammer therefore are not entirely different after all. Sauron would have remembered the power imbued within his master’s mace that brought down Fingolfin and spent a tremendous amount of resources to retrieve it. No doubt he had the time and would have known it’s whereabouts within his own realm of influence. I’d like to think that task would have been appointed unto the Witch-King to raise it. Regardless, it doesn’t seem like Tolkien to be that lazy and simply recycle the name Grond and more likely that he definitely knew how to reward the reader with the awesome deep lore within his own epic.

  • @rangerofthenorth1970
    @rangerofthenorth1970 2 года назад +46

    I receny watched Return of the King on 4k with mighty audio system. Man, when orcs shouted GROND, it was so epic and terrifying to see and hear!!
    Nerd this is once again great and interesting video!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  2 года назад +9

      Looks like I've got my viewing sorted for tonight! :) I don't think I've done ROTK on my new home theater setup yet!

  • @SpaceMonkeyBoi
    @SpaceMonkeyBoi 2 года назад +86

    Always loved the orcs reaction to grond. So wholesome to see them happy that they're going to murder the city's inhabitants

    • @robbob9273
      @robbob9273 2 года назад +2

      grond.. grond..GROND.. GROND

    • @Thechezbailey
      @Thechezbailey 10 месяцев назад

      Delicious manflesh 😊

    • @mirceazaharia2094
      @mirceazaharia2094 6 месяцев назад +4

      Well, Grond was a masterpiece of Orcish craftsmanship, metallurgy, engineering and even dark magic.
      Its dark steel was of the finest quality, lovingly shaped into the form of a menacing wolf, and on it were spells of ruin.
      It was like a beloved mascot of their whole army and military culture. Damn right they were proud of it!

  • @melkhiordarkfell4354
    @melkhiordarkfell4354 2 года назад +123

    I wish Grond the ram was actually Grond the hammer, too big to be used without Morgoth, so they build a giant cradle to carry it out of Beleriand and take it to Mordor.

    • @JonathanGhost42
      @JonathanGhost42 2 года назад +15

      That would be epic and show how great of a power Grond is!

    • @sirpepeofhousekek6741
      @sirpepeofhousekek6741 2 года назад +8

      That would have been cool as Hell!

    • @VoiceOfTheEmperor
      @VoiceOfTheEmperor 2 года назад +20

      There's a 3rd option:
      Sauron smelted down and reforged Grond into the battering ram we hear and see in the trilogy.

    • @VoiceOfTheEmperor
      @VoiceOfTheEmperor 2 года назад +2

      @Panda Angry What if Sauron ordered it?

    • @borismuller86
      @borismuller86 2 года назад +1

      @Panda Angry yes but this way they could get some very powerful use out of it. Even Morgoth would probably be ok with that.

  • @mhagain
    @mhagain 2 года назад +37

    My fan theory is that Grond II was forged at Mount Doom; Rings of Power & Third Age, IIRC, mentions that Sauron used the fires of Mount Doom in his sorceries and forgings, but the only item we know for certain was forged there was the One Ring. Grond II is a good candidate for another, even if not explicitly stated.

  • @kaelynsanders581
    @kaelynsanders581 2 года назад +10

    I personally love the idea the the mace and the battering ram are the same. I think it makes Morgoth seem that much more powerful and terrifying and shows just how much more intense the first age was. Even if it’s not as likely of a theory, it’s my favorite 🙂

    • @jadekaiser7840
      @jadekaiser7840 2 года назад +1

      There's a point where you have to accept that if the text explicitly tells us where it came from, and that it was only named after the original, it's a different weapon. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if the original Grond was even more powerful. I would almost be surprised if it *wasn't,* even. The First Age was something else. Battles that literally shook and reshaped the world itself, and Grond as Morgoth's own weapon would have likely been one of the most powerful artifacts around even there.

  • @meenalkale136
    @meenalkale136 2 года назад +75

    I have a feeling Morgoths Grond was destroyed during the war of Wrath and the one Sauron has was named after his former masters weapon.

    • @ryancruz1876
      @ryancruz1876 2 года назад +2

      I think Pengoloth would’ve named Morgoth’s hammer “grond”, while Frodo, who undoubtedly read Pengolath’s accounts of the elder days, possibly named Sauron’s battering ram after Morgoth’s hammer.

    • @mechadoggy
      @mechadoggy 2 года назад +1

      Could certain metal pieces of Morgoth’s Grond be recovered and reincorporated into Sauron’s Grond?

    • @meenalkale136
      @meenalkale136 2 года назад

      @@mechadoggy I guess that could be a possibility too

    • @Manco65
      @Manco65 2 года назад +1

      @@mechadoggy that might be very problematic as most of those lands would be under stone rubble underneath either ice or ice cold sea water.

    • @mechadoggy
      @mechadoggy 2 года назад

      @@Manco65 There are centuries of time between the War of Wrath and the War of the Ring, plenty enough for Sauron to recover those metal fragments, one way or another

  • @anotherhuman8173
    @anotherhuman8173 2 года назад +7

    3:24 This whole reading has got to be one of my favorite passages in Return of the King. The Arm of Sauron in its full strength and terror! Very well done!

  • @jhammylive
    @jhammylive 2 года назад +47

    GROND!!! GROND!!! GROND!!!
    GROND!!! GROND!!! GROND!!!
    GROND!!! GROND!!! GROND!!!

  • @Wispmage
    @Wispmage 2 года назад +22

    Fantastic episode. I absolutely love how metal Tolkien's writing can be and the passages in this video were perfect examples. On an unrelated note, I've been wondering more with each video how large your Tolkien Art folder is.

  • @haruuc
    @haruuc 2 года назад +26

    GROND!

  • @Charlotte.M.S
    @Charlotte.M.S 2 года назад +13

    Grond! Grond! Grond!

  • @gabewinter9406
    @gabewinter9406 2 года назад +10

    Awesome! Iain McKellens protral of Gandalfs out of place fear in the movies may indicate he was one of the few who understood the significance of it . Names had power like Eärendil

  • @Aris262
    @Aris262 2 года назад +6

    about to comment how I have never heard of 'Gond' until I looked at it again with 48 hours no sleep and realized there was an R in there....regardless...Love your videos...as someone who is a relatively 'new' tolkien fan....(decided to read all his possible works when I heard the movies where being made) even though tolkien has been in my family since the very beginning and heard about it all my life...I love hearing in depth analysis and break down of the lore. Your videos have answered a lot of questions I have had. Well done indeed.

  • @connorh.4451
    @connorh.4451 2 года назад +3

    This was a very minor part of the video, but at 6:08 I love the art work depicting Shadowfax standing over and striking fear into the mount of the Witch King

    • @avrace2708
      @avrace2708 2 года назад

      More like Witch King horse shows a respect to Shadowfax. You know Shadowfaxs is King of all horses

  • @Falconsfan99
    @Falconsfan99 9 месяцев назад +1

    Now I know why the orcs were chanting Grond thank you for summing this up, also your story telling is great, keep up the good work !

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 2 года назад +11

    *GROND! GROND! GROND!*

  • @tommyriordan2473
    @tommyriordan2473 2 года назад +2

    Videos always coming in clutch

  • @DWSP101
    @DWSP101 2 года назад +5

    Love you work man! Can I ask you something?

  • @fjccommish
    @fjccommish 2 года назад +3

    Those maps look good.

  • @annika_fantasy
    @annika_fantasy 2 года назад +8

    Thank you for this!! I’m a newer fan, I started reading Tolkien 5 months ago... so far I’ve finished lotr, the hobbit, the children of Hurin, Beren and luthien, and the silmarillion... now I’m looking for more! But your videos are very helpful.

  • @tharubaba
    @tharubaba Год назад +1

    Yeah those orcs yelling GROND GROND GROND!!
    Still gives me chills

  • @biblebelievingchristian7482
    @biblebelievingchristian7482 2 года назад +1

    I loved your sponsor and just bought. A map for my dad’s birthday! Thanks for the coupon!

  • @chrisrivera662
    @chrisrivera662 Год назад +1

    I actually just began swinging a 25lbs mace for exercise myself! I think I know what to name it now! Thanks Nerd! 🤓

  • @auntlynnonline6206
    @auntlynnonline6206 2 года назад +5

    Hey, NoTR... I just wanted to tell you that the captions looked spot-on this week. I'm sure it will be greatly appreciated by many. As always, I LOVE your channel. Thanks!!!
    PS - I had to order the Washington fleece blanket from Lord of The Maps! It's totally cool! Thanks for the discount code!

  • @CJ-dr7ic
    @CJ-dr7ic 2 года назад +8

    First thing I saw when I woke up is a new video from Nerd of the Rings. Today's going to be a good day lol
    But seriously I know it takes time to research and edit and everything else that you have to do to keep making great videos. Thank you!!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  2 года назад +3

      Thanks so much! I really appreciate it.

  • @paulos1017
    @paulos1017 2 года назад

    There is so much material which can be filmed i hope we have some productions. Keep up the good work and I love your sketches!! Thank you for the effort you put in it.

  • @striker8961
    @striker8961 2 года назад +8

    The homage to his masters weapon was likely to strike fear into the elves and awe into the orcs, foretelling how mighty this war machine was that it’s named after the weapon of choice of essentially the devil.

  • @TheTeutonicPlague
    @TheTeutonicPlague 2 года назад +6

    *G R O N D*

  • @johanabigasova6770
    @johanabigasova6770 2 года назад +2

    I wonder where you get ideas for amazing videos like this, Nerd of the Rings. It's good to know more about Grond. Well, it's good to know more about anything of Arda.

  • @Jostyy
    @Jostyy 2 года назад +6

    I wish they had kept the Witch Kings sorcery in the films, it gives him such a more direct presence in the battle
    But I guess I understand what P.J kept him in the air in the films, it would be kind of weird to see the Witch King on a horse and then moments later in the air on a Fell Beast

  • @BossGaming-vg6zh
    @BossGaming-vg6zh 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this video! I love when content is made about Morgoth!

  • @jaysgamingcorner8539
    @jaysgamingcorner8539 2 года назад +3

    Another amazing video. That battering ram was awesome in the movie.

  • @georgeisnotagogo6450
    @georgeisnotagogo6450 2 года назад +9

    Would like to see a video talking about what if the fellowship didn't break

    • @peterk7428
      @peterk7428 2 года назад

      Oooh, that's interesting. I think there's a line in the books where Gandalf said it would have been him, Gimli, Frodo, Sam, and maybe one other going past Gondor.

    • @seregrian5675
      @seregrian5675 2 года назад

      @@peterk7428 The line you're looking for is in "The Breaking of the Fellowship" - Aragorn is discussing what to be done at Parth Galen, and he mentions Sam, "who could not bear it otherwise; Gimli; and myself."

    • @georgeisnotagogo6450
      @georgeisnotagogo6450 2 года назад +1

      @@peterk7428 I'm rereading the fellowship and that question came to my mind randomly

    • @carson11100
      @carson11100 2 года назад

      Yeah I’m curious to see what order they would be corrupted in…. and their reasons why!

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever 2 года назад +14

    We can always imagine that the forging of Grond in Mordor was a reforging of the old Grond. But it doesn't really fit the canon.

  • @stonedcaterpillar3342
    @stonedcaterpillar3342 2 года назад +2

    I really like the idea of sauron keeping his masters war hammer and using it finally when he needs it, one more reminder of what is to come.

  • @futuresonex
    @futuresonex Год назад +9

    High King Fingolfin is one of my absolute favorite characters of the Legendarium, but whenever I think about him and his duel with Morgoth all I can wonder is WHAT IN THE HELL WAS HE THINKING?! Fingolfin may have been one of the best warriors in the history of Middle Earth or even in the history of all of Arda, but Morgoth was essentially a god. Fingolfin had to know that he had no chance of winning that battle, none at all. So why did he do it?!?
    I do, however, love the fact that he permanently crippled Morgoth with Ringil, the very same sword that Morgoth himself had helped him forge back in Valinor! I have to laugh at the thought of Morgoth cursing himself for ever teaching Fingolfin how to forge swords while he limped around Angband, agony stabbing through his crippled foot with every step he took. Not only was Morgoth/Melkor completely unable to get Fingolfin to attack Feanor with Ringil, but then Fingolfin turned around and used Ringil on him instead! That is almost poetic.

    • @scribblescribble
      @scribblescribble 22 дня назад

      Morgoth's defeat was like a death by a thousand cuts, and Fingolfin dealt not just one but seven to the Black Foe. In addition, he put fear and respect for his people into Morgoth and humiliated him in front of his lieutenants. This in turn inspired the Elder and Edain to further heroism and keep fighting against overwhelming odds. When one falls, another takes his place, and so on, and so on, until the final cut of Morgoth's defeat. It was suicide for the High King, but he was a great leader who was prepared to inspire all heroes after himself through the sacrifice. Truly epic.

  • @xenosmoke8915
    @xenosmoke8915 2 года назад +1

    We used to have everyone chant Grond when sieging in ESO.
    Also, gardening in Minis Tirith is hell, that damn catwalk casts everything in shadow for half the day.

  • @AndrewCarlisle11B
    @AndrewCarlisle11B Год назад

    Would be an interesting sight to have a mace the size of a giant battering ram pulled by trolls hurling towards you by a single figure. Talk about a headache lol. Great video Matt!

  • @xpendabull
    @xpendabull 2 года назад +3

    I think it’s cool that the battering ram Grond takes 3 blows to breach the gate of Minis Tirith, and it also take 3 strikes from Melkor with his war hammer to defeat Fingolfin. As a wise man once said, “it’s like poetry, sort of, they rhyme.”

  • @thomasmartyn65
    @thomasmartyn65 2 года назад +6

    GROND GROND GROND!!! 😂

  • @tysonlibby1802
    @tysonlibby1802 2 года назад +2

    I'm pretty nerdy, but before I found this channel, I'd never seen lord of the rings and only read the hobbit. Because I know nothing about it and your voice is beautiful, it's been an amazing channel to fall asleep to lol. But now I've seen the movies because of you and can appreciate your videos to the fullest. Anyways thank you!

  • @richatlarge462
    @richatlarge462 8 месяцев назад

    So I just found the nerdiest LOTR site that I was looking for. Happy that this exists!

  • @Strutsbandage
    @Strutsbandage 2 года назад +2

    Man I love this channel. 🤌

  • @seregrian5675
    @seregrian5675 2 года назад +1

    I applaud your elocution directly from the SIlmarillion, and the quotes from the lore!

  • @antr7493
    @antr7493 2 года назад +1

    "and Debbie" ....I love that😁

  • @VoiceoftheRings
    @VoiceoftheRings 2 года назад +1

    Awesome Video as always my friend!

  • @valentinkambushev4968
    @valentinkambushev4968 2 года назад +38

    When I first watched the movies I thought Grond wasn't in the book. It just seemed to "out of place" , like the worms in "The Hobbit" movies. Then I read the book and I couldn't believe Grond was actually in it.

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  2 года назад +14

      "Grond crawled on." - Great stuff!

    • @mirceazaharia2094
      @mirceazaharia2094 4 месяца назад

      @@NerdoftheRings
      Sounds like the tanks of World War One to me.
      If Tolkien ever saw them in action, they might have made a huge impression on him.

  • @altheam694
    @altheam694 2 года назад +1

    Grond was literally always my favorite

  • @marcushendriksen8415
    @marcushendriksen8415 2 года назад +1

    Man, I remember when Grond came up in the ROTK novel. It's the perfect name for what it is

  • @DavidPerry-ui2qz
    @DavidPerry-ui2qz 2 года назад +1

    Another great video! Thank you!

  • @krishnaveganathar
    @krishnaveganathar 2 года назад +1

    “And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.”

  • @mrbombus9929
    @mrbombus9929 2 года назад +4

    GROND

  • @annaroselarsen4218
    @annaroselarsen4218 2 года назад +1

    Awesome video grond is my favorite weapon for the bad guys

  • @caseygroves3046
    @caseygroves3046 2 года назад

    Bro. You have the greatest LOTR content on the internet. Well done.

  • @JacopoSkydweller
    @JacopoSkydweller 2 года назад

    Lord of Maps is dope. I got one of my state of New Mexico and it is everything I had hoped it would be. Highly recommend.

  • @williamh8787
    @williamh8787 2 года назад +3

    Grond!

  • @emmitstewart1921
    @emmitstewart1921 2 года назад +8

    I would hazard a guess that, after the battle of Minas Tirith, Grond lay abandoned near the gates of the city. There may have been an intention to destroy it and salvage the metal, but that would have been delayed until after the war was completely over. There were more immediate actions needed to distract Sauron from Frodo's quest. Being formed by sorcery, Grond would have disintegrated along with all of Sauron's workings when the ring was destroyed.

  • @apollion888
    @apollion888 2 года назад

    I never knew this history! So cool dude, thank you

  • @loganmcbee1752
    @loganmcbee1752 2 года назад +2

    Such an amazing channel

  • @makoyoverfelt3320
    @makoyoverfelt3320 2 года назад +1

    This was epic as hell

  • @edwatkins6628
    @edwatkins6628 2 года назад +1

    I got my sister a Lord of Maps Connecticut map... I think I like it just as much as she did.

  • @basilforth
    @basilforth 2 года назад

    Thank you for this video. I had forgotten the terror of Grond's assault on Minas Tirith. It was Tolkien's astonishing painting of a picture of carnage, chaos and terror. The point of darknest night during the assault on Gondor.

  • @AmiraMekki
    @AmiraMekki 2 года назад +8

    Bring up the wolfs head!

  • @jacobross1674
    @jacobross1674 2 года назад +3

    GROND! GROND! GROND!
    Animated or live action version
    It’s strength brings no shame
    Be it the weapon of Morgoth or the Battering Ram of Sauron’s forces
    I will forever chant his name
    GROND! GROND!! GROND!!!

  • @Solarnova
    @Solarnova 2 года назад

    Such awesome lore here, thanks as always! I suspect the Mace of Morgoth/Grond/Hammer of the Underworld probably would have been on the same level of build quality as the One Ring, and is definitely in artifact/legendary status.

  • @nikoluslira7753
    @nikoluslira7753 Год назад

    You have an amazing voice. Watching these videos is like reading chapters upon chapters. 🤘😠🤘

  • @Hellvard
    @Hellvard 2 года назад +1

    Jackson's battle at the Pellenor Fields would be even greater if they filmed scenes with Grond exactly how they were depicted in the book.

  • @NothingMoreButMusic
    @NothingMoreButMusic 2 года назад

    Great Video, nice edit and music and great reading!
    One thing that realy bugs me tho: Beleriand is way oversized on the map you used at 7:09.
    It's bad in itself that this map even exists, but even more so that a channel of your size uses it.
    (P.S. Ironicly this happens in a video where "map" is the theme of your sponsor... :P)

  • @VoiceOfTheEmperor
    @VoiceOfTheEmperor 2 года назад +3

    I thought it was made to be a sort of mix between weapon and effigy to Carcharoth, the hound of Angband. However, I honestly think that it's made of a similar ore. Sauron was a master smith.

  • @ShouJangers
    @ShouJangers Год назад

    I hope there would be a list of notable strongest elves or characters in the nerd of the rings video.

  • @ciachofil
    @ciachofil 2 года назад +2

    Even if its not orginal Grond it would quite fit Morgoth. Its size matches his in description of fight with Fingolfin. A fact that splits fire from point would be fitting aswell because why not? It was breaking ground making fireish bruises, do I remember right?

  • @pranavrai99
    @pranavrai99 2 года назад +1

    Would love to see a video on the new updates regarding the Amazon Rings of Power series. Interestingly, they have started adding descriptions (Character's name and Actor) to the character posters they had released on their Insta page.

  • @axbx1789
    @axbx1789 2 года назад

    i would love an episode about the biology of middlearth!

  • @samuelbattershell3413
    @samuelbattershell3413 2 года назад +5

    It would be Sauron of Sauron to take Grond after Morgoth's duel and stashed it away and reforged it into a siege ram. But I side with the ram being named after the mace. Yet again, it wouldn't surprise me if it was the mace reforged

    • @kevinschmidt8101
      @kevinschmidt8101 Год назад

      Is this even possible? I mean... look at the one ring. It can't be desktop outside mount doom. Wouldn't it be possibly to be similar with grond? It was melkors mace, thr mace of the most powerful of the valar. Proper one of the most 🔋 being's that eher walked on earth. I actual can't image that it can be just melting

  • @andycrawley1961
    @andycrawley1961 2 года назад

    I think the most interesting thing about naming the second Grond after the first is it shows a collective orc memory of the first age. That's a long time to remember!

  • @callme_sachin13
    @callme_sachin13 2 года назад +4

    all in all, Grond, Morgoth's mace is way more badass ! at least for me ❤️

  • @munnin999
    @munnin999 2 года назад

    This is very interesting

  • @fuferito
    @fuferito 2 года назад +1

    Crossover rules demand that the Black Captain's chanting in a forgotten, evil language before the gates of Minas Tirith be one and the same as the chanting voice in the blood arena of the Sardaukar from Denis Villeneuve's _Dune._

  • @thestockmarketboy3319
    @thestockmarketboy3319 2 года назад +1

    Perhaps you will talk about "ancients texts, poems or songs" in middle earth in some video and try explain them.

  • @pyerack
    @pyerack Год назад

    The idea that evil subjects of a god of malice would later use their master's former mace as a gargantuan battering ram is still metal af tho.

  • @kennethsatria6607
    @kennethsatria6607 7 месяцев назад

    I kind of like the idea that the massive weapons of the first dark lord become used by his successor and worshippers as best they could

  • @lilkingg82
    @lilkingg82 2 года назад +2

    "You guys are saying to wrong, it's Grond!!"

  • @technic5528
    @technic5528 2 года назад +3

    I will never forget the moment that the gate of Minas Tirith fell, and the orks were screaming ''grond!'' as the rushed into the city, with wargs and all.

  • @Catherine.Dorian.
    @Catherine.Dorian. 2 года назад

    I wonder if any of this will be in Amazons series… man I can’t wait for September

  • @cameronpeterson6734
    @cameronpeterson6734 2 года назад

    Grond: "What is my purpose?"
    Sauron: "You open doors"
    Grond: "Oh my god..."

  • @avrace2708
    @avrace2708 2 года назад

    I love movie version of Grond (battering ram), it looks so badass

  • @donmuerte7828
    @donmuerte7828 2 года назад +1

    Isn't the wolf's head supposed to be in the likeness of Carcharoth?

  • @kirandeepchakraborty7921
    @kirandeepchakraborty7921 2 года назад

    Interesting Video

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 2 года назад

    I can imagine Sauron dreaming of the day of taking minas tirith and so knew that the gate would be the hardest so creating a weapon capable of taking down the great gate.
    With materials, spells etc

  • @HeWh0Exists
    @HeWh0Exists 2 года назад +2

    Grond, grond grond!

  • @BurgerBunn
    @BurgerBunn Год назад

    Not gonna lie. The name “Grond” sounds like a Vtuber chat pet. I’ve been absorbing all your videos recently, thank you!