As far as I can tell, S&Q is pretty much just the regular 60mbps codec option, but with a flag in the file metadata to play at 1/4th or 1/5th speed (24p or 30p), depending depending on what your base/project frame rate is set to. So this results in a slo-mo file with a 12 or 15mbps bitrate (60 Mbps divided by 4 or 5). So shooting S&Q should look exactly the same as shooting regular 120p at the 60mbps bitrate, and then reinterpreting it to slo-mo. Obviously 100mbps is going to be better quality, especially if you need to push the file around in post.
Al I appreciate your feedback and when you break down the Mbps like that with the 60 divided by 4 or 5, it's like the lightbulb goes off in my head! I did research on reddit and here on youtube and every was doing side by side comparisons with no grades and or picture profiles besides standard or movie mode. Now that you have me super curious I think I might try these out with both slog2 and cine4 as well as grading them to see the overall result. Thanks again for the info bro!
That’s exactly what I said when I read/saw this on my A7Riii. I literally said “no way” and in 3 seconds, thought.... That must be divided by normal 60mbps output divided by the “5” in 5X playback. How does no one get this!? Laughed out loud about a reviewer actually thinking it was actually 12 mbps.🤦♂️. It’s simply 60mbps no audio formatted for output at 24.
Graham Glover right on bro! I’m going to continue using my 120fps settings I have on my Dial 2 memory. I always bring my clips into premiere to edit so if there is a difference somewhere I want to make sure the footage is still good after grading. Appreciate the feedback. Have you tried S&Q for timelapses?
Well, I think you can see a visible difference in contrast and color-separation. That could come from grading or different camera-settings, but the 100 Mbps always looks a bit more stable, when it comes to grading. I use S&Q all the time and haven't had any issues (apart from the missing Face- and Eye-AF) so far though.
I agree you 100% face detection doesn't work regardless with 120fps so you're not missing out much bro! Appreciate your feedback brother thank you so much!
So from my experience the s&q @ 120fps is 12mbps and manual 120fps is 20mbps...take 20 x 5 = the 100mbps... so it’s not technically 12mbps versus 100mbps..make sense? It’s 12 versus 20 due to the 5 times slow mo..
In low light the difference will become more obvious, but for daytime or a well lit scene S&Q is awesome. The slightly softer edges look great anyway! Super cool to just hit S&Q on the dial, shoot then go right back to movie mode.
Helpful video thanks! I think the palm tree colors look a little different. I just took my A7iii for a spin in low light and definitely the quality and colors looked different between S&Q vs regular video
That’s good to know bro! Thanks for the info with your testing brother! I’ve yet to check out S&Q in low light but i did shoot some 4k and I was really happy with the performance compared to my riii
It's almost the same because when you shoot at 120 fps at 100Mb/s than in post you will slow it down to 24 or 25 fps. So you have to divide the 100Mb/s also. Simple math ( rule of three) will give you 20Mb/s. It's slightly better than q&s 12Mb/s.
Late comment, however it could bring something to the table. Between S&Q and non-S&Q footage I definitely see a lot of softness in the S&Q mode: Perhaps displays now bring out that compression difference a lot more? As viewed from my iPhone 11 Pro Max, opposed to other display units like the iPhone 7 Plus and my generic desktop monitor, you can definitely see the lower quality of S&Q in your video. Not even needing to do pixel peaking, the image is more washed out and a lot less sharp. Older display units don’t bring that difference out as much.
Mr. Bond that’s exactly what I found out when I tested it. They both looked similar out of the camera, but when you start to color correct, color grade, speed ramp etc the s&q doesn’t hold up well. As far as for timelapses, I just bought the intervolameter for $25.
That's the only thing I could honestly thing of! The comparison videos I had watched including the one with Miguel Quiles who is a sony ambassador never mentioned that. I didn't want to change any variables but now that you have me thinking maybe I should try and shoot them in cine4 and slog2 and grade them to see the results! Appreciate your feedback bro.
Hell yeah, I used to shoot a ton in slog2 but to be honest with the faster work flow and exposure ease I've been loving cine4. It really isn't that far off from slog2's dynamic range, you can grade a good amount of it especially for client work and youtube I think the profile is just less of a headache.
Hi Jason cool informative video. I’m just starting my video journey after just doing photos for years and your posts are invaluable. I look forward to trying some of your instruction when my A7 iii gets delivered next week (I’m jumping from canon). You mention timelapse in the video, is this built in? From what I have read and watched so far there didn’t seem to be any built in timelapse mode, and an intervalometer would be required.
Rodger! I bet you’re excited for the a7iii. There is a learning curve going from canon to Sony but I promise you, you’re going to be so happy! I appreciate the kind words! Let me know if you ever have any questions!
Rodger Hunter as far as the timelapse goes I’ve yet to do it in camera however in the S&Q settings you can pick other FPS like 1 & 3 seconds which I believe are for timelapses. I’ll look into it more and get back to you!
I'm thinking a low light test. For reasons like the a7sii is a low-mpx, low-light monster. I hope you get where my thought process is coming from. I dont know if 12bit or 100bit differ in light like megapixels do. Thanks for all the tips and tricks love the channel so happy i found it early. Cheers.
I'm UK so using PAL and can only get 100fps. So the S&Q works well but only 16mbs as you say. If I go to standard settings and change to 100fps at 100mbs and shoot at shutter 200. When looking back at the footage in the camera it plays at normal speed. Is this normal and you have to change in post? Any advice would be more than appreciated......?
Im still very much on the fence with this After doing a lot of research on this, sometimes the S&Q mode looks better to me Crazy Im not sure if the camera is processing the data differently, but doesn't make sense lol
Honestly the best ones I have found are from epidemic sounds. For $15 a month not only is the music pretty good but for sound design they have thousands of sfx and no im not paid to say this hahaha
That's cool and you covered and tested that part well. I just think the title of your video implies a thorough deep dive into every aspect of the feature. Just my opinion though, not trying to troll or offend you.
do you have other S&Q slow-mo you used in any of your videos to check out?....thanks for this video and the info....I just cant afford a 1400 computer right now to use with adobe premier....this would really help out thanks....Mike
mustafa allhialy if it’s in your budget you’d be future proofing yourself with the a7iii. It’s so ahead of its time and absolutely amazing! I spend a ton of money on cameras in the past looking for one for both photo and video. For the price this is hands down amazing!
This is slightly off topic, but when I'm on the 1 and 2 dial on the A7III and go to exposure mode its greyed out so I can't manually adjust my settings. I was looking at S&Q as an alternative. Any idea how I can fix this?
12MB and 100MB will practically look the same. Much of the stored data in the 100MB are things not readily apparent but will be when you manipulate or grade the clips.
The only problem, it isn't 100vs12 mbit in this case. 100mbit in normal mode 120fps is ~0,83mbit per frame and in SQ 12mbit mode 0,5mbit per frame which is a miniscule difference of 100mbit normal vs 60mbit SQ. And consider the sound sharing that 100mbit data in normal mode. I am stunned how bad are people with math today :(
Nice video. 4 seconds of S&Q slow motion @12mb is actually 1 second of 120@100mb. So it makes senses. 4 * 12mb = 48. You are comparing a 100mb to a 50mb at this point. Unless you are color grading heavily or recovering highlights and shadows there should be very little differences
I legit just found this out after searching all over reddit and watching other youtube channels. Apparently S&Q slows 120fps down 5 times at 24fps so when you divide it thats where the 12mbps comes in. Everyone who I've seen do comparison tests including Miguel Quiles who is a sony ambassador never mentioned and when he did the testing he did the same as I did haha. I'm going to test heavikly graded footage and see if the S&Q footage breaks down. I appreciate your input bro!
In the balloon test , notice his face in s&q mode had noticeably darker shadows . Why do you guys think that happened? Maybe it had less dynamic range? Is that it
I'm Jason Anthony it does not have 120 fps for SLO mo? So when I see some videos of A7II that means the SLO mo is being done in post ? Thanks A7ii video below ruclips.net/video/uzeRBJyrb1U/видео.html
Come on, that's obvious! After you slow down your 120fps footage four times, you'll get 25 mbps. So you compare 12 mbps and 25mbps, so the quality doesn't differ a lot
Am I the only person that uses S&Q just for timelapses with 1 frame per second? Seeing as there is no app and without external help it great for capturing a quick timelapse...
Stephen Mylonas I appreciate you checking out the video. I knew in the back of my head that the 100mbps when grading would hold up better than the 60 however my question is . . . . Why have Sony ambassadors putting out videos on s&q and never addressed the obvious haha? I followed in their footsteps as far as testing goes and for them seemed to have visible evidence. Maybe I’ll do an exact grade comparison and shoot in various picture profiles to see if there’s
Could have just skipped 3 minutes in the beginning so we don't have to watch stuff that are irrelevant, and skip right to the test with both cameras. And the title had nothing to do with the video, in my opinion.
If you’re a videographer and critical then S&Q looks like garbage. If you’re grandpa like me it’s fine. I yet to fine someone tell me, those edges aren’t sharp enough 😂
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but s&q is locked at a shutter speed of 125 for me - I can not shoot at 250 like I can with regular 120 - are we not supposed to have a shutter speed double our fps in most situations?
As far as I can tell, S&Q is pretty much just the regular 60mbps codec option, but with a flag in the file metadata to play at 1/4th or 1/5th speed (24p or 30p), depending depending on what your base/project frame rate is set to.
So this results in a slo-mo file with a 12 or 15mbps bitrate (60 Mbps divided by 4 or 5).
So shooting S&Q should look exactly the same as shooting regular 120p at the 60mbps bitrate, and then reinterpreting it to slo-mo.
Obviously 100mbps is going to be better quality, especially if you need to push the file around in post.
Al I appreciate your feedback and when you break down the Mbps like that with the 60 divided by 4 or 5, it's like the lightbulb goes off in my head! I did research on reddit and here on youtube and every was doing side by side comparisons with no grades and or picture profiles besides standard or movie mode. Now that you have me super curious I think I might try these out with both slog2 and cine4 as well as grading them to see the overall result. Thanks again for the info bro!
Al Dolega Amen!
That’s exactly what I said when I read/saw this on my A7Riii. I literally said “no way” and in 3 seconds, thought.... That must be divided by normal 60mbps output divided by the “5” in 5X playback. How does no one get this!? Laughed out loud about a reviewer actually thinking it was actually 12 mbps.🤦♂️.
It’s simply 60mbps no audio formatted for output at 24.
Such a fuqing helpful video, thanks bro
I think you’ll see more of a difference when you introduce lower light situations, personally I use S&Q
Graham Glover right on bro! I’m going to continue using my 120fps settings I have on my Dial 2 memory. I always bring my clips into premiere to edit so if there is a difference somewhere I want to make sure the footage is still good after grading. Appreciate the feedback. Have you tried S&Q for timelapses?
bro, this channel is lit. Can easily see it blow up like Matti Happoja did.
Eirik thank you brother! I'm new but hopefully with hard work I can get there! Awesome creators like you leaving these comments keeps me going bro!
Well, I think you can see a visible difference in contrast and color-separation. That could come from grading or different camera-settings, but the 100 Mbps always looks a bit more stable, when it comes to grading. I use S&Q all the time and haven't had any issues (apart from the missing Face- and Eye-AF) so far though.
I agree you 100% face detection doesn't work regardless with 120fps so you're not missing out much bro! Appreciate your feedback brother thank you so much!
Oh look at that. I didn't even realize that face detection doesn't work in "regular" 120fps either 😅
Awesome video! In my own testing I can't find a discernable difference. I cropped in and couldn't tell. Plus you can just chuck it on the timeline.
So from my experience the s&q @ 120fps is 12mbps and manual 120fps is 20mbps...take 20 x 5 = the 100mbps... so it’s not technically 12mbps versus 100mbps..make sense? It’s 12 versus 20 due to the 5 times slow mo..
By far my favorite channel. Gonna spend the next two days watching all of these videos. Great work
Boyyyyy think I found my favorite sub haha appreciate it Joey just trying to teach what I'm learning!
In low light the difference will become more obvious, but for daytime or a well lit scene S&Q is awesome. The slightly softer edges look great anyway! Super cool to just hit S&Q on the dial, shoot then go right back to movie mode.
I completely enjoy the S&Q. Especially when I am out vlogging and can switch my modes really fast from 4k
Dominic hell yes! S&Q definitely has its uses especially for run and gun! Have you tried out Timelapses yet?
I'm Jason Anthony not yet I may try today
let me know how it goes if you do, I'm curious
Thanks for a great video, I don't want to do much grading, so the S&Q is good for me now that you show not much of a differences.
Right on James, to be honest I've graded S&Q footage and its not too bad not noticeable for social media content what so ever!
it mad how they both look very similar, thanks for the in depth review
They do! just goes to show that you can't always look at the specs and do testing!
I'm Jason Anthony exactly bro, I’ve seen a few people like Brandon li use them and they look great every time. Thanks again 😀
Helpful video thanks! I think the palm tree colors look a little different. I just took my A7iii for a spin in low light and definitely the quality and colors looked different between S&Q vs regular video
also subbed! thanks!
That’s good to know bro! Thanks for the info with your testing brother! I’ve yet to check out S&Q in low light but i did shoot some 4k and I was really happy with the performance compared to my riii
I'm Jason Anthony 4K bruh. Looks great at any time.
Thanks for this actual side by side. Really helpful.
Love this video bro!!! The value and info plus the cinematography on this is wild! keep at it
thank you so much brother for everything! Lets get it!
It's almost the same because when you shoot at 120 fps at 100Mb/s than in post you will slow it down to 24 or 25 fps. So you have to divide the 100Mb/s also. Simple math ( rule of three) will give you 20Mb/s. It's slightly better than q&s 12Mb/s.
And when you did the math correct, you minus the audio as well, than you have your 12Mb/s 😉
S&Q is great!
Late comment, however it could bring something to the table. Between S&Q and non-S&Q footage I definitely see a lot of softness in the S&Q mode:
Perhaps displays now bring out that compression difference a lot more?
As viewed from my iPhone 11 Pro Max, opposed to other display units like the iPhone 7 Plus and my generic desktop monitor, you can definitely see the lower quality of S&Q in your video. Not even needing to do pixel peaking, the image is more washed out and a lot less sharp. Older display units don’t bring that difference out as much.
Pretty sure that 100mbs makes a difference when doing heavy grading. You should be able push and pull the image a lot more.
Mr. Bond that’s exactly what I found out when I tested it. They both looked similar out of the camera, but when you start to color correct, color grade, speed ramp etc the s&q doesn’t hold up well. As far as for timelapses, I just bought the intervolameter for $25.
That's the only thing I could honestly thing of! The comparison videos I had watched including the one with Miguel Quiles who is a sony ambassador never mentioned that. I didn't want to change any variables but now that you have me thinking maybe I should try and shoot them in cine4 and slog2 and grade them to see the results! Appreciate your feedback bro.
I'm Jason Anthony no problem man! I shoot a lot in cine4!
Hell yeah, I used to shoot a ton in slog2 but to be honest with the faster work flow and exposure ease I've been loving cine4. It really isn't that far off from slog2's dynamic range, you can grade a good amount of it especially for client work and youtube I think the profile is just less of a headache.
I'm Jason Anthony agree 100% plus I shoot a lot outdoors in low light for landscape photography so slog2 looks terrible.
Hi Jason cool informative video. I’m just starting my video journey after just doing photos for years and your posts are invaluable. I look forward to trying some of your instruction when my A7 iii gets delivered next week (I’m jumping from canon). You mention timelapse in the video, is this built in? From what I have read and watched so far there didn’t seem to be any built in timelapse mode, and an intervalometer would be required.
Rodger! I bet you’re excited for the a7iii. There is a learning curve going from canon to Sony but I promise you, you’re going to be so happy! I appreciate the kind words! Let me know if you ever have any questions!
Rodger Hunter as far as the timelapse goes I’ve yet to do it in camera however in the S&Q settings you can pick other FPS like 1 & 3 seconds which I believe are for timelapses. I’ll look into it more and get back to you!
awesome video man! your presentation makes it easy for a beginner like me to understand. subbed!
youtubarbero Ayy! Thank you brother means a lot! I’m just here to help everyone step up their skills 🙏🏻
I'm thinking a low light test. For reasons like the a7sii is a low-mpx, low-light monster. I hope you get where my thought process is coming from. I dont know if 12bit or 100bit differ in light like megapixels do. Thanks for all the tips and tricks love the channel so happy i found it early. Cheers.
I just got the A7iii. I don’t get how you know wether you’re using S&Q or not and how
To switch
thanks for the info i use in camera 120fps myself
I'm UK so using PAL and can only get 100fps. So the S&Q works well but only 16mbs as you say. If I go to standard settings and change to 100fps at 100mbs and shoot at shutter 200. When looking back at the footage in the camera it plays at normal speed. Is this normal and you have to change in post? Any advice would be more than appreciated......?
Im still very much on the fence with this
After doing a lot of research on this, sometimes the S&Q mode looks better to me
Crazy
Im not sure if the camera is processing the data differently, but doesn't make sense lol
Thank you for this video. Very helpful.
Where do you get your whoosh sound effects for transitions?
Honestly the best ones I have found are from epidemic sounds. For $15 a month not only is the music pretty good but for sound design they have thousands of sfx and no im not paid to say this hahaha
Bro your channel deserve more subscribers I really love your videos 👌🏻
Dude you totally made my day! Hopefully I'll get there someday but I really appreciate your support bro! It's what keeps me making more!
Does the sony have sharpening enabled? I got my a6600 and the video has like sharpening filer applied to it, can I turn it off?
You only tested the 120fps setting in S&Q mode? What about the 1fps setting? You barely explored the S&Q feature as a whole.
The point of the video was to just showcase the S&Q slowmotion vs regular bro.
That's cool and you covered and tested that part well. I just think the title of your video implies a thorough deep dive into every aspect of the feature. Just my opinion though, not trying to troll or offend you.
Amazing Work! Thank you so much for this!
do you have other S&Q slow-mo you used in any of your videos to check out?....thanks for this video and the info....I just cant afford a 1400 computer right now to use with adobe premier....this would really help out
thanks....Mike
Try the test in low light. That's when you'll see the difference of bit rate. NOISE.
IS there a difference in filesize??
New sub. Thanks for the time to create this video.
Hello mate,im an iphone photgrapher/videographer & i wanna upgrade my level to dslr camera ,do u advice me to buy a7iii as start???
mustafa allhialy if it’s in your budget you’d be future proofing yourself with the a7iii. It’s so ahead of its time and absolutely amazing! I spend a ton of money on cameras in the past looking for one for both photo and video. For the price this is hands down amazing!
I like these tests a lot
Thank you!
does the A7III do 4k in 60fps?
No it doesn't, I think everyone is patiently waiting for the a7siii which is going to have it!
Hi. How does one 'interpret' the footage in post? It's playing at normal speed in both catalyst browse and fcp...?
Do you know why when I slow down my S&Q 120fps footage it becomes jittery? premier says its only at 29.97fps
This is slightly off topic, but when I'm on the 1 and 2 dial on the A7III and go to exposure mode its greyed out so I can't manually adjust my settings. I was looking at S&Q as an alternative. Any idea how I can fix this?
on my sony a7iii it only allows me to go to 30p in the record setting part :/
I thought the bit rate will affect the sharpness but more affect on post production like grading.. I could be wrong.
So far I did a little more testing Daming, unless you really heavily grade they both hold up very well!
12MB and 100MB will practically look the same. Much of the stored data in the 100MB are things not readily apparent but will be when you manipulate or grade the clips.
You're 100% correct
The only problem, it isn't 100vs12 mbit in this case.
100mbit in normal mode 120fps is ~0,83mbit per frame and in SQ 12mbit mode 0,5mbit per frame which is a miniscule difference of 100mbit normal vs 60mbit SQ. And consider the sound sharing that 100mbit data in normal mode.
I am stunned how bad are people with math today :(
Nice video. 4 seconds of S&Q slow motion @12mb is actually 1 second of 120@100mb. So it makes senses. 4 * 12mb = 48. You are comparing a 100mb to a 50mb at this point. Unless you are color grading heavily or recovering highlights and shadows there should be very little differences
I legit just found this out after searching all over reddit and watching other youtube channels. Apparently S&Q slows 120fps down 5 times at 24fps so when you divide it thats where the 12mbps comes in. Everyone who I've seen do comparison tests including Miguel Quiles who is a sony ambassador never mentioned and when he did the testing he did the same as I did haha. I'm going to test heavikly graded footage and see if the S&Q footage breaks down. I appreciate your input bro!
I'm Jason Anthony yes, I am in Europe we only get 100fps pal. I just realized as I was writing the post also because I was editing video. 💡 moment
Lol, I'm doomed... I "switched" to Sony and still love the Canon video. Cool vid. Thanks!
haha damn, give the sony a chance!
@@ImJasonAnthony will do. 👍
In the balloon test , notice his face in s&q mode had noticeably darker shadows .
Why do you guys think that happened? Maybe it had less dynamic range? Is that it
They had a filter on it
i just buy my a7iii and i cant change s&q record settings and i only can record only 100fps! what i am doing wrong?
NTSC or PAL ?
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Does the A7II also have the Same and Q feature ?
Jamie L. The a7ii to my knowledge does not, I know it didn’t have 120fps for slow motion brother
I'm Jason Anthony it does not have 120 fps for SLO mo? So when I see some videos of A7II that means the SLO mo is being done in post ? Thanks
A7ii video below
ruclips.net/video/uzeRBJyrb1U/видео.html
Great info thanks..
Thanks for checking out the video!
Great video! Subscribe! I really appreciate the work that went into explaining this. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much bro! I just want to tell people about my findings and teach what I know! Have an awesome weekend!
S&Q 120/24 is literally the same bitrate as 120 at 60mbs setting. It just kills the audio and changes the playback conform rate.
Come on, that's obvious! After you slow down your 120fps footage four times, you'll get 25 mbps. So you compare 12 mbps and 25mbps, so the quality doesn't differ a lot
Am I the only person that uses S&Q just for timelapses with 1 frame per second? Seeing as there is no app and without external help it great for capturing a quick timelapse...
try to interpret both videos in post @240 fps ;)
it's all to do with colour grading. every filmmaker should no this. thanks for the video
Stephen Mylonas I appreciate you checking out the video. I knew in the back of my head that the 100mbps when grading would hold up better than the 60 however my question is . . . . Why have Sony ambassadors putting out videos on s&q and never addressed the obvious haha? I followed in their footsteps as far as testing goes and for them seemed to have visible evidence. Maybe I’ll do an exact grade comparison and shoot in various picture profiles to see if there’s
Could have just skipped 3 minutes in the beginning so we don't have to watch stuff that are irrelevant, and skip right to the test with both cameras. And the title had nothing to do with the video, in my opinion.
If you’re a videographer and critical then S&Q looks like garbage. If you’re grandpa like me it’s fine. I yet to fine someone tell me, those edges aren’t sharp enough 😂
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but s&q is locked at a shutter speed of 125 for me - I can not shoot at 250 like I can with regular 120 - are we not supposed to have a shutter speed double our fps in most situations?