Ethan Klein DESTROYED xQc in React Debate
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Ethan Klein of H3 Podcast had a debate with xQc about the React-gate drama meta whatever you want to call it and destroyed him
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> Forms half sentences
> Uses play ground debate tactics
> Closing argument is the worm
Truly he is the modern day Socrates
the future of debate tactics is being formed, quick take notes
Talking in fragments is a sign of intelligence and assuming others are as well. I understood but I also talk the same and am pretty smart and informed on the topics.
and to top it all off "he left the argument first that means he ragequit i win he lost"
Truly Ciceronian oratory
@@90spawg23the ability to conceive of how you are being heard, and framing your speech around the intention of being understood, is more intelligent.
I was not expecting XQC to call the creator complaining about him a PAID ACTOR 😂
ikr he went full alex jones there for a second
Man's the living embodiment of Adderall
He literally just reads chat 💀
Because it's a usual response from stupid failures
to give him the benefit of the doubt i think that's a joke about "i asked one guy, source: trust me bro"
like xqc argues like a child but ethan wasn't really his best on this one.
Also "dataset" asking one person really isn't a great way to form a "dataset" it's actually more of an individual data point, a dataset implies it's a trend being observed through multiple data points. Like I don't think xqc is a saint and definitely does things wrong regarding how he handles reaction content but ethan is essentially arguing that because of 1 anecdote he can define what is and isn't okay is the same logic racists use to say "well I've had interactions with black people doing crime" as if that singular data point proves anything.
And to be fair I'm sure there are plenty of creators that wish xqc could react more and shout them out more but it's hard to say there aren't any guys who blew up from xqc and others who really like streamers reacting to content, like those guys who hasan mentioned.
tl;dr this is why stats are banned in court.
Ethan's hairline takes another victim. It's only getting stronger.
His Hairline is past his chin at this point.
Xqc's haircut is clearly hiding his hairline. I bet it's a ghost town under there.
XQC’s hairline been washed
Bro the fact that he told hila to not interrupt him and that he was speaking with Ethan, not two minutes after he addressed her specifically is insane. Bro needs to be put in his goddamn place
no fr he treats women weird asf, the way he talked to hila pissed me off
i noticed that too lmao
he did it to be edgy but came off as an incel
@@slothpoprock16 sexist, not incel
brown bears are still bears... Just a variety of bear. Both sexist and incel tbh he just has enough money and the drunkorexic/methed out aesthetic to barely escape the full incel title.
Ethan’s fought for the creators right to react under the reasoning that the content is capable of being transformative. So to see someone blatantly abusing the form bothers him. I think he’s justified in that
Yeah I guess I understand why everytime it has to do with that he takes it so personal
Ethan Klein is a hat**er and jel because xQc won a US$100 million contract and he got nothing. Look at his face. Look how he interrupts xQc. He reached out to 500000000 content creators and 499999999 chose to ignore him because they want nothing to do with this jel hat**er. Now he's trying to act like Robin Hood for content creators because nobody actually posted a video asking xQc and as xQc put it "he went digging for victims". Then he asked his wife to join him to discourage xQc. Look at his facial expressions.
You cannot seriously use ethans lawsuit against him... he won that one. It literally only says he knows what hes talking about and he thinks twitch streamers are going to ruin it for everyone when the lawfully get sued for not being transformative.
This is the most confusing part for me. XqC was clowning Ethan for a lawsuit that he... won?
It's just like a kid that latches unto anything to try and 'clap back' at you. 'Yeah well ur gay' might've been the next one.
how is anybody surprised by xqc being dumb? that's his entire gimmick
Nah I think he was trying to gatcha on the few times where teddy fresh has released clothing that had stolen designs
People don't take a minute of their time to understand that lawsuit is why Ethan cares so much about reactions being transformative. He fought and payed lots of money when he was a smaller creater to bring in a fair use law that benefits everyone yet people can't understand why he's upset when people abuse it by claiming things are transformative when they're clearly not.
Watching xqc argue is so frustrating lol, he always gets emotional and just starts attacking people personally, and making incoherent arguments. It's like watching a 13-year-old trapped in a grown man's body.
its a shame because he had some great points to make and if he was capable of just getting the points across and stopping ethan from fully controlling the conversation he would've completely destroyed him
When XQC is losing a debate, he always turns into a child and just throws insults at people
@@brisk_avocado1684what great points could he bring? xQc's only argument was that Ethan himself barely reacted a handful of times over years of reacting (while xQc does it every day).
@@blankii333 he had plenty, i was watching him plan beforehand, bro is just incapable of articulating any kind of valid argument
@brisk_avocado1684 that still doesn't bring up a single point of his that proves the point. can you give an example.
Felt genuinely privileged to watch this live. The man lost so hard he started doing the worm silently in the background. Momentous buffoonery.
It was a debate so there no winner to begin with
all the end result showed was that both X and ethan argue in bad faith
@@bluegamer4210lol this is really sad cope
I thought this comment was a joke until I watched the rest of the video.
@@bluegamer4210xqc's alt found.
you are a joke bro “snort felt genuinely privwedged to watch thissth” oh my lord do something useful for your family and not watch a political streamer
All this guy needs to do is explain a video, react to it, give his perspective, and shout out the original creator. How is that so hard?
He’s getting paid 100mil but that’s clearly too much work and unreasonable
hes a privledged millionaire, theres no other reason
bro got $100 to click a second “start streaming button” and is willing to die on this hill, xQc is a sociopath
What does he do different from this? Is he not shouting out the original creator or something? I’m a little out of the loop on this and trying to figure out the reason this is such a big deal.
Like what specifically is he doing that’s different from all of the other content creators who react to content? Genuine question btw I’m not trying to defend him I just don’t understand what the problem is (although I also don’t watch him live at all)
@@boomynote He'll just leave and let the video play without being in the room sometimes.
@@boomynoteAs someone who has videos XQC has reacted to said from the video, he let's the video play while just saying essentially, "woah chat isn't that crazy". Then will turn around and re upload the full video (with him in the corner) and use the original videos thumbnail. There's more too, it's literally in the video you're commenting on 💀
No, Ethan's not just operating on vibes and "react harder". He just understands fair-use better and actively makes the effort to make better content out of the formula he's found for himself. When you have a massive audience and make a lot of money, you don't get to just be lazy and let other people's videos play on your channel, siphoning views and revenue from the original. You're massively privileged when you're a successful content creator and when you're at that level, you shouldn't be surprised when you're called out for just turning the camera on and doing nothing. Guess why Ethan hasn't been called out for this until he calls someone else out for it, because it wasn't a problem for Ethan. xQc got absolutely t-boned here, pretending otherwise is delusional, sorry.
Yeah I think this is an ironically reductive argument coming from Hasan. I feel he’s usually better at understanding the nuance of the situation. I think truth is Hasan is guilty of letting the camera run while he’s away.. I’ve seen him do it several times. But at the very least he adds a wealth of commentary to the videos so I think that would help absolve him of any issues. I think there’s an understandable fear not wanting to be thrown under the bus for copyright infringement with him, but that doesn’t make what Ethan is saying incorrect. Hasan should go through, if he hasn’t already, what qualifies something as fair use and all the variables they weigh against each other to determine that.
Transformative content is quite literally “react hard enough”. Hasan hand waving criticism by saying that is just stupid - that’s the entire point of transformative content.
@@analogiesI actually get frustrated when Hasan walks away from say, a Kurtis Conner vid, even if I know Kurtis would be cool with it (Kurtis is just cool like that). It definitely feels disrespectful to the original creator of the content that the video basically becomes “watch this so you don’t get bored and find someone else to watch while I pee.” I think Hasan knows this and that’s why he’s kind of siding with xQc to a degree
@@NotTooStraighttbh idk bout that, a pee break is 3 mins tops
@@blorblinI’ve been there for streams where he’s gone for the majority of an hour long video, coming in for short intervals and leaving for 20+ minutes to go do something
I love how genuine Hila's smile is when she says "i'm having a third child with him" ITS SO CUTE AND WHOLESOME
Then Dan comes out of the shadows with that divorce finisher
@@kakirinbro they just glossed over that but I’m like WHAT ?! HOW CAN THIS JUICE HEAD CLAIM THAT WHEN HES LITERALLY GOING THRU SUCH A MESSY DIVORCE LMAOOOOOOO
Yaaaa it's so cute and awesome ya ya yaaaaaa.....
I loved that, too! She's so happy ❤
Ethan and Hila are so perfect for each other, whenever they talk to or about each other they look like 🥹
I love that the two things Dan could not stop himself from interjecting were “xQc’s getting a divorce” and “that’s not The Worm!!!”
Soooo good😂
We love Dan😂
Hey can someone fill me in on the xQc divorce joke ? thanks in advance !
@@Dyrud19his fan are making fun of Ethan and Hila's marriage meanwhile X is getting a divorce. He's projecting.
"xQc is getting divorced" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love how xqc spent the whole convo grasping at straws trying to make Ethan a hypocrite while Ethan would just grill him nonstop, and when he ran out of ideas and attacked Teddy Fresh Hila jumped in to roll him again. What a complete waste of time and i enjoyed every second of it.
The moment he went after his wife I knew it was over. It was already bad for him but that is LOW
Hila steals art images. He designs are not original. They are from stock photos that underpay artists. Or stolen. And clothes mass produced and or imports. Slave labor...
Xqc represents the Zoomer generation
@@shuheihisagi6689What do you mean he's like 30
@@andreas5341yeah but he represents them. He talks and acts like a toddler who just ate 3lbs of gummi bears. Did you even see that worm??
The way xQc behaves, implies he has never been punched in the face before
too timid in person
Then you don't understand how much brain damage someone can get from being punched in the face.
Ethan Klein is a hat**er and jel because xQc won a US$100 million contract and he got nothing. Look at his face. Look how he interrupts xQc. He reached out to 500000000 content creators and 499999999 chose to ignore him because they want nothing to do with this jel hat**er. Now he's trying to act like Robin Hood for content creators because nobody actually posted a video asking xQc and as xQc put it "he went digging for victims". Then he asked his wife to join him to discourage xQc. Look at his facial expressions.
Same with ethan
As a Quebecer, it makes me feel ashamed that xqc is our export. Sorry everyone, we have a team working on this issue. Someone in R&D fucked up.
smartest Laval man, it’s not the rest of the provinces fault
we know how it is
@@ashleyelisa4460 yea but let`s be real, majority of people wont make that distiction lol
There’s also the former Best Friends guys. They’re a good export from Quebec.
Let's be real. Canada's largest internet exports are on the whole pretty garbage: Steven Crowder, Jordan Peterson, Gavin McInnes (proud boys founder and "comedian"). When it comes to big personalities, we seem to only export fascists and various other forms of parasitic shitbag. We have a bunch of good smaller Internet personalities... But the big ones are all horrible mistakes.
Edit: I forgot Linus Sebastian! One of our biggest is just a very corporate tech channel, not a parasitic shitbag eroding the fabric of society! Phew what a relief.
The conversation devolves because Felix is a grifter, not because he actually made any sort of coherent point. He has no actual position on the subject other than how it affects him. He didn't do any research and held no loyalty to any of the talking points he espoused when facing pushback he basically just grabbed from chat and hurled insults.
The sad thing is he actually prepared with destiny for hours before this
so exactly the same as ethan?
He is a grifter and he's pretty stupid. It's sad he's popular with the youth.
ok that's not entirely fair, he was pretty damn loyal to that worm move he pulled 💀💀 lmao
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This was so cringe-inducing to watch. Ethan and Hasan are going to be living rent free in XQC's head for months, especially given how hard he's being dunked on on LSF.
Idk Ethan went in pretty hard on hasan during their last Podcast, because of the chair reactions, which is definatley a valid critisizm.
TBF. Not a bad loft to live in, plenty of empty space.
MONTHS?
Xcq is going to receive an invitation to the Levato crime family after this one.
What’s LSF?
Maybe xQc's approach to debating is that 'you can't beat him if you can't understand him' 💀
That's actually Ben Shapiro's trademark.
X hit the "idc" skill tree. So hard he hit the skill cap and unlocked worm mode.
Can't stand people like this. Unfortunately it's really common.
@@eldritchbeing2879 it's not like he doesn't want to be understood, English is his second language, he can't think straight and stumbles over his words easily when he's flustered.
@@jaythehuman2552 Nah Ben Shapiro talks fast but actually does thread grammatically correct sentences and uses understandable standards of English. His problem is that he spouts conservative gibberish.
But xQc talks in cursive with italic font in a you-tube playback speed of 2. Completely unintelligible.
He may be a lucky rich boy but at least I can say words and have people not look at me like I'm a brainless ef up lolz.
I like Hasan, but I've never found his pro-react arguments at all compelling. They boil down to:
1) Most people like it! (Which is an assumption based on tweets from a handful of already hugely successful RUclipsrs.)
2) If people don't like it, they can DMCA it. (Which completely lacks empathy. Most small RUclipsrs aren't equipped to have these fights. The potential backlash from the reactor's audience is intimidating, and what if it becomes a lawsuit? I know I wouldn't want to start legal battles with millionaires.)
3) Steamers have to fill time! (I don't know why this is ever brought up as an argument. That's the streamer's problem, and a problem with their business model. It doesn't give them carte blanche to steal another person's work.)
4) Video games don't get taken down! (Watching a video essay is completely different to playing a game. Sure, some people can--and have--made arguments over narrative-focused games, but take Valorant. The experience playing that game vs. watching someone else play it is fundamentally different. The game developer is selling the experience of playing a game, not watching a game, so in theory they're not losing an audience. Plus they know it's buzz marketing, which is why they sponsor people to play their games.)
5) I personlly let people reupload my work & don't care about IP! [So no one else should either.] (While this business strategy works for Hasan, who's in the unique position of being a top 1% Twitch streamer, it's not going to work for everyone. Smaller creators with a very limited amount highly edited/ researched content need to protect it from theft, otherwise they literally can't earn enough to keep the lights on. It feels like Hasan forgets that some creator's total back catalogue is dwarfed by a single week of his output.)
I'm still flawed from a comment Hasan made about "not everyone can be Jerma" in a recent video. It's not like you have to do The Sims irl or shove a baseball up your ass to make content. The Japan vlog was great content that didn't invovle any art theft. React content is usually borne from laziness, because it's a relatively small amount of effort for hours of content, which is required for harvesting subs. Funnily enough, expoliting the highly produced work of other creators in this way is just typical capitalist labour theft.
That all said, I feel like reacting to coporate content like news is fair game, since that's intended for dissemination and, if they have a problem with it, they have lawyers to run takedown requests. They have means, unlike some guy creating true crime documentaries from his bedroom. (Same argument applies to video games too.)
Ultimately, I can never take Has' arguments seriously because he's incredibly biased. It's fair enough; it's his livelyhood. I vaguely recall him making a comment about only doing political reactions because he's not talented/ funny enough to do something else (which I'm sure was only intended as a joke, but it's still revealing). Hopefully people think about this stuff critically and don't just swallow everything up unquestioningly because the parasocial video friend is saying it.
Extremely, extremely well said.
Exactly, I think Hasan has a great opportunity to become one of the left's top "influencers" if he realizes this and changes his content. 2x better if he openly works on his biases.
@@mfcryptidsheep4661 I really do think his RUclips videos are edited very well, at least.
The argument doesn't reduce to "react harder", it reduces to you not getting permission to upload another person's property when you haven't transformed it in any meaningful way.
"meaningful" is subjective though, so different people can have different opinions on how "meaningfully" something was transformed, which is to say how "hard" they reacted.
@@samszotkowski If a first impression reaction was meaningful, they wouldn't have to show it alongside the original content (and "alongside" is generous since the original content almost always takes up the majority of the pixels and sound waves of the video as well). The original content can stand on its own, why can't their reaction?
@@rasputozen you can find counterexamples of meaningful first impression reactions. For example, Hasan watching Casually Explained calling him out for pausing videos -- that reaction was surely additive and an entirely different context from the video itself, and would not have been interesting if it weren't a live response with the video on screen.
I reckon it's impossible to find a perfect definition or test to see whether some transformation is meaningful. There's a subjective spectrum of acceptable behavior, so most arguments boil down to "I don't like where you're at on this spectrum." That is itself a valid opinion, but not robust or objective.
The only objective tests we have are whether someone reacting to a video boosts its analytics (although I haven't seen anyone do real statistics, just "it's obvious from this graph..." which is subjective, as Hasan conceded to XqC), and if a court decides you violated copyright law. Beyond that it's just "react harder." Personally, I do have opinions whether someone is being transformative or not, but that's not firm ground to stand on if you're asking them to change their behavior.
@@samszotkowski I'm talking about 99.9% of their content, not the one or two cases in their 10 year careers where they reacted transformatively by accident. If your reaction couldn't be uploaded by itself, or at least take up 90% of the video pixels and soundwaves as its happening, then you're not transforming anything or creating new content, you're just stealing.
Here's an example of reactions that actually stand on their own as meaningful content and don't take away from the original creator. The Game Of Thrones series had a season where people would secretly record their loved ones as they were viewing the Red Wedding episode because it was so shocking. Guess what almost no one uploaded with those reactions: the original episode. There was no need because the reactions could actually stand on its own as content.
@@rasputozen I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. This video whose comments section we're in follows the same format of all of Hasan's RUclips videos; he watches someone else's content that's taking up more of the screen than him, and reacts to it; it is not a standalone reaction. And it's not like this is 0.1% of his content, it's the exact same format as all his videos.
But despite being a reaction that also shows the content itself, this passes my personal ethical test of "transformative," and it sounds like it doesn't pass yours. And since the ethics of it are subjective, I have no problem disagreeing with you that this is acceptable.
That's actually my whole point; we can have different standards when it comes to "transformative," so your criticism boils down to "you're not transforming/reacting hard enough." This additional constraint you added that reactions should stand alone is a sufficient but not a necessary condition to be transformative; you are simply saying your personal criteria are more strict than mine when assessing if a reaction is ethical.
There is NO all-encompassing test, it is a grey area, and therefore we have to look at things holistically on a case by case basis, taking into account how the creators feel about it, how the reaction compares to norms, analytics, mitigating/aggravating factors, etc, not just the nature of the reaction itself.
What is up with the "it devolves into a react harder" argument? I feel like there's a clear difference in the majority of Ethan's work and it also deserves scrutiny, but XQC is taking it so far that smaller creators need protection from him. It feels like an unecessary downplay
I'm surprised Hasan has this take that H3 fans wouldn't care about this when a lot of their fans are art-enthusiasts that care about protecting small creators from all mediums
@@handwichesArt I was also taken aback, like it’s easy for Hasan to separate himself like that since HE DOES take the time to transform and COMMENTATE on what he watches. xQc literally fails every single time to do that. idk what’s hard to understand from that?😅
There is absolutely a clear difference, especially legitimized by Ethan and Hila’s precedent setting copyright lawsuit win
What happens if Ethan and Hila become landlords and set precedents in court with obviously biased laws to evict their tenants? They own that land right? The law is on their side right? 🤦🏽♂️
What’s up with it is that Hasan does the exact same thing and he’s too childish and egotistical to admit that he’s stealing content
tells him he's a content thief, he reacts calmly. tells him he's boring, he loses his mind.
He's had that insecurity since the Overwatch days. He's obsessed about the metrics and "quality" of his stream as he sees that as a reflection of his worth. He did an interview with Dr. K about it and everything. Its his easiest trigger to get underneath his skin.
@@NezeruGaminghis stream is way better than the best stream of Hasan. So, if you're a Hasan watcher, you shouldn't be critiquing another streamer lmao.
@@itv5610 well.. hasan is a political streamer, you watch him to learn something, so of course hes not meant to be entertaining to children. He does a good job with mid twenty year olds though. I think people are saying XQC sucks in comparison to his contemporaries.
@@Dogtrio He isn't entertaining to most adults either and comes off as arrogant and is fueled by political agendas.
@@itv5610Brother your comment is completely non sequitur to the point made by the OP. We were talking about XQCs inordinate reaction to being called Boring as opposed to his callousness at being told hes stealing content by other content creators. No one was discussing his entertainment value compared to Hasan or Ethan.
I see why you find XQC entertaining, you're obviously either 12 years old or a brain dead 😂 Please let the adults speak.
bro really said ethan was bald. he must be a pathological liar there's no other way to explain this
His fans showed him a phoshopped meme of "ugly Ethan" where he is mostly bald in the middle. XQZ thoughed that it is the real Ethan
@@mirofeya thank you for translating
xQc doing the worm thing almost killed me with second-hand embarrassment. Can you actually imagine someone doing that in a serious conversation?
xqcl
I’m gonna need a time stamp bro 😂
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He doesn't take it seriously. He thinks Ethan is a joke
Ethan Klein is a hat**er and jel because xQc won a US$100 million contract and he got nothing. Look at his face. Look how he interrupts xQc. He reached out to 500000000 content creators and 499999999 chose to ignore him because they want nothing to do with this jel hat**er. Now he's trying to act like Robin Hood for content creators because nobody actually posted a video asking xQc and as xQc put it "he went digging for victims". Then he asked his wife to join him to discourage xQc. Look at his facial expressions.
Even during the debate on Leftovers that Hasan and Ethan had, I was leaning towards Ethan’s argument. He’s been through the ringer on fair use and knows what is transformative. Whether Hasan likes it or not he makes better reacts than xQc, and Ethan has a more developed nuance on the matter, even if it’s not perfect. Hasan and Ethan follow rules and ethics, but xQc says fuck everyone but myself. I think that’s the biggest difference and what makes his “arguments” so frustrating
EXACTLY! I'm really frustrated with Hasan on this one. Him agreeing with chat saying this is just a subjective semantics thing is so off.
If they play that gam nothing ends up being right anymore. There's a reason we have copyright law, but with the "it's subjective" argument no one would ever be treated fairly.
There's clearly a difference between the content H3 and Hasan makes and what XQC makes.
It's infuriating how people doesn't see this.
But honestly I think its because Hasan is defensive of his own content which isn't always clean.
Maybe but I don't think Hasan's point is based on what's legal and what's not? Like, what's legal is way more strict than the way everyone currently operates. Literally any gaming content or livestreams is not fair use, they're all monetizing it, and it could be easily argued that a lets play of a singleplayer game available for free could be a market substitute for $90 video game. But that's something we're all okay with, people doing without paying for licensing agreements, we even get mad at Nintendo for operating along these rules.
For one I think the secondary medium, like whether its a react stream or a react video matters, because you can and I think you should be required to edit down dead air, I think a ratio of orginal video to reactor commenting would be a fine way to measure that. But you can't do that in livestreaming, I don't think there should be a restriction there.
Also the type of content the original piece is matters too. I think we all agree video games are fair game. I think sports events should also be free for all I think you should be able to stream any sports game without licensing or permision at all. RUclips videos I think work fine, with fair use type restrictions for transformative-ness that's fine as it is. Movie's should work the same way, in that it'd be okay to stream the whole thing as a watch party, but not upload a VOD reaction on youtube of the entire thing, you'd have to do some editing.
Music is its whole other thing, for one music copyright within the context of music is already way too broad, Katy Perry did not copyright that christian weirdo, Ed Sheeran did not copyright Marvin Gaye, and Zeppelin did not copyright the people who sued them over the Stairway riff. For one, all of these are infinitely worse cases than anything against any One Direction song, they've 'stolen' so many riffs and phrases from classic rock and pop in their stint, I think the best example for that is the riff from Baba O'Riley. But even then, the rhythm section is only part of the song, not to mention its instrumentation, how prominent that particular piece is mixed, its set apart from the bassline, drum groove, ambient parts, vocals lead and background, the lyrics of said vocal performances, the type and effect of those vocals, like, Paul McCartney and James Hetfield could sing the same lyrics at the same pitches and they'd be very different musically.
You have to remember the base concept here, you want to prevent market substitutes, you don't want to go to listen to a song and not be sure which one is the one you want, you don't just want a note perfect faithful cover, you want a different take, because you want something other than what you've heard before, people compare covers of songs like Sound Of Silence or You Really Got Me, or American Woman, because the different versions of those songs are in different styles and serve different tastes. How many youtube covers have you seen of "Metal version of famous pop song" and all the comments are people saying they hate pop and would never listen to the original song but love the cover. Its clearly not a market substitute, they were never gonna listen to Adele's Hello, but they will listen to the heavy metal cover of it. As for licensing music, I think there's two ways this could go, if there was an easy system through say Spotify and Twitch integration, where you could license songs on a per song, percentage basis, like, say a percentage of ad revenue, based on how many viewers at a given time of a given song, a percentage of the ad revenue from that 4mins30sec for eg, would go to the artist. I'd like artists to get paid for their work but I also think a grace period of like 10 years or whatever as suggested for movies would be fair.
@@alexisborden3191 I don’t think my comment disagrees with anything you said, but I also only read halfway. xQc’s content falls into a watch party while Hasan’s is a reaction, and Ethan’s is straight up original content. The levels of legality don’t matter if the creator is ok with the person watching, true. But that basically means if you don’t have permission, In the case of xQc, he should not be able to watch these vids on Twitch. Hasan and Ethan have legality on their side. I know Hasan doesn’t like going that route, but like Ethan said on Leftovers, “If anyone ruins it for everyone, it while be xQc.” I think even by the end of the conversation it was clear that Ethan’s point was more clear, and fairer for everyone.
@@NotTooStraight No that's okay I wasn't meaning it to be necessarily a response and critique to everything you said, more my thoughts on the matter. I do agree with the point that xqc could ruin it for everyone. I'm kind of wary of policing the type of reaction, like I think people perceive a difference between xqc reacting to a video a video and being his dumb entertaining self, and some technical expert reacting to a movie or something, like a gun expert reacting to movie guns. I think specifying a certain level of expertise demonstrated is gonna be nebulous and vague and inconsistently applied, I'm not sure if that's what Hasan was trying to get at with his argument about transformative-ness turning into react harder? Regardless, I don't think its fair to police the intelligence of the reaction.
How does anyone listen to xqc? I don't understand a word this man says and I'm annoyed every time he opens his mouth.
he speaks so fast like
This is what happens when french Canadians are given sugar.
crazy how a hasan watcher saying this
@@samuuu6180 rope
Why dont u ask yrself with other people ur subbed to? Make it make sense
Dan stole the whole show with “XQC’s getting divorced”
i wish he wouldve said to louder i dont think most people heard it
W dan. WAN!
@@kyna6355but he’s not getting divorced tf
@@trillster8855he is look it up
Ethan defending Hasan while reading the victims message was great. You can tell Hasan felt the love
Time stamp
yeah untill people call hasan out and he literally acts like a child, calls them a nazi and cusses them out
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@@youownmyheart1012:54 ish
@@nogb8367 what
Hasan's relationship with xqc is so weird and funny. It's like watching a soap opera comedy.
I feel like the thing that a lot of people are forgetting, even hasan seems to here, is that there is a huge power imbalance between smaller creators and large ones. It’s going to be much harder for a small creator to copyright strike or make a complaint because there is the very real threat of the fans of that larger creator. It should be the larger creator’s responsibility to reach out to people, not the other way around
Like the conversation shouldn’t be react harder, it should be how can we make sure that smaller creators have rights
I wish XQC could accept that he's wrong, which would make him look less bad. When will those creators learn that there is no shame in admitting
I mean that goes for everyone not just x or creators but the internet as a whole
@@redwiltshire1816I believe that's why he said "those creators" as in all of them that share this weird behavior
@@redwiltshire1816proving his own point....
Admitting mistakes is just too hard for them. It'd bruise their ego :(
I wish I could just understand what he's saying bruh
The most blood-boiling moment to me was when Felix said something like 'You're painting them out to be struggling artists by calling them small creators' because he is directly taking the fruits of the creators labour from them as a millionaire who reuploads others' content. These are people who spend a lot of time on their videos, they should get the money.
The burden of asking for reparations shouldn't be on the creator who spends all of their free time on good videos just cause there happens to be a big streamer who reuploads content with no effort, no morals and no compensation. He's acting like it should be a part of a creator's job to ask for money everytime xqc decides to steal their views.
Thats a great point and its funny that hasan doesn't realize how this relates to socialism just because it benefits him. Not a dig at Hasan but I feel like he needs this pointed out to him. The whole "well we give small content creators a larger fan base and so we can take their surplus views by reacting" sounds allot like when a boss says "we give them a place to perform labor and a client base so we can take their excess labor" to me
Yep! If the views are significant enough for xQc to use them to get paid, then there’s no world where the small creator didn’t need them more!
@@Dogtriothat's a champagne socialist for you.
@@Dogtrio There is a difference. I would NEVER in a million years watch the videos that Hasan is watching. I want to watch Hasan watch the videos. So my view is not 1 view that got lost from the original video, it's a completely new view that Hasan actually generated, therefore, creators who understand, see it a a new platform for a new audience. Saying that 1 view from Hasan is one less view to the original and therefore taking their money, is like saying that 1 movie that gets pirated equals 1 less sold blu ray or one less netflix supscription. No it's not, it's a new view.
@@Dogtrio Hasan content isn’t always transformative he nor any streamer who reacts especially in this scenario Hassan avoided a lot of subjects here and sorta just viewed it at a glance and talking about how debates are dumb and how X got to emotional like it’s some genius take when it’s not really the guys a hypocrite and uses his fair share of filler crap like what about is and you know what I mean after his points I agree hasan could have done a much better job at commentating this. There’s a lot to talk about here and a lot of points to make.
Ethan’s premise might not be perfect, but I don’t see how you don’t call what xqc does as straight theft. I don’t think calling him a thief is off vibes when you can point to multiple examples where he doesn’t even add a minute of commentary. “What the fuck” and “wow that’s crazy” are not transformative takes, you don’t have to look farther than this channel on how to actually make transformative content.
Abolish copyright, these content creators don't create anything worth selling anyway
@@cameronmason4452sounds like someone whos never made something
Dub
@@cameronmason4452Where does that line go then…at what point in the process of creating something is it okay to take it and make it your own with no credit or compensation? Do you have to wait until it’s published or can you just steal someone’s raw footage and notes and just publish it yourself first? So many societal and legal changes need to happen before we can remove copyright entirely, though ultimately if a society is working properly there wouldn’t be a need for copyright law. We just aren’t there yet.
In his argument that he tried to make it was basically him getting in someone house and then taking something without consent(stealing) and them "not giving a fuck" as in they do not approach him after. Disregarding completely the fact that he basically is having thousands of unhinged people that can harass the owener for speaking "out of line" which can be deployed whenever he wants.
Would he deploy them on just some guy that doesn't want to let him watch his stuff, probably not if he ask nicely but in the same hypothetical, if someone were to come into your house and steal your shit would you just go to them and ask them nicely for it back when he has a big enough clique that would beat you up in his name? I wouldn't, it's stupid.
Also there is just so much content on the internet to be mad about one video or channel, but with a new video or channel, the cycle can continue in which xqc is in a position of power.
The obvious cold take is that youtube should have some kind of notification or react system in place just to move some if not all of the monetization from a video to the original poster. But I doubt it's gonna happen because at the end of the day no one cares enough, as hasan said, and only the people at the bottom might be affected by the big people with power at the top, which historically isn't something new
I can’t believe XQC called the creator that didn’t enjoy XQCs reactions a paid actor
legitimately one of the most jaw-dropping, drastic copes i’ve EVER seen
I think that in his mind it doesnt make sense that a creator would want to avoid Twitter drama - because he looks at it as publicity
He has no other argument. When people with big egos have no other road, they say anything to feel like they are right. Even if it’s stupid
I thought xQc was like 18 or 19 just judging by the way he acts. Then I found out he is 27 and this entire interaction became significantly more embarrassing.
Give it 2-3 more years. That back pain alone from sitting in a chair for 20 years straight with his lanky goblin ass will put some perspective in him 💀
Are you kidding me, he's my age? 😅 I was shocked enough to find out he's married, he's so aggressive and angry all the time, feel sorry for that woman fr😢
@@Shannon-vv6rrdude. That woman is the worst and Im not a xqc fan. And they're not married, just a texas stupid conservative law
I lost brain cells watching xQc attempt to speak coherent English.
funny enough i think this was the most coherent he has ever been in any video i've watched of him
@@hebedite4865 is that because he’s actually speaking/reacting here?
It’s not his English that is the problem, it’s the points he’s trying to piece together
You watch hasen how much did you have to begin with.
@@fluxonite The algorithm.
I genuinely think something chemically changes when you become rich. Like its just impossible to for the mass majority that do, to not be a giant scum bag. Like it rots away at your empathy and self reflection completely. I was a low voltage technician for 10 years at palm beach working for insanely rich people and they really do think they are fucking special lol.
Yuuuuup
My favorite xQc argument was “it’s exhausting to be on the high road because you have to not mess up at all so you should always take the low road”
Actually true
@@zxSwifty It’s literally not though. It’s what the worst people tell themselves to justify being bad people.
@@zxSwiftyyou don't have to make excuses for being shitty, you can just be shitty. Yeah people will hate you, but they already hate you, on account of that whole "always intentionally taking the low road" thing.
Can't imagine why he's getting a divorce.
This explains every decision xQc has ever made
I legitimately do not understand how Hasan is still in the position that he's in. "react harder" is definitely a valid position. These people are sitting there in silence and stealing money from people that make 5 figures less than them and Hasan is like the only one that does it properly. Why does he still feel the need to defend lazy reacts and anti-fair use arguments?
Hasan is doing almost the exact same thing as XQC. Almost nothing of what husan does is transformational and is not fair use. He creates market substitutes in his reactions, he watches the entire thing, no editing, there is no point watching the original as you have already have just on husan's stream except the money has now gone to husan.
@@samh8977 Hasan doesn’t monetise the entire clip getting uploaded and the titles getting stolen, it’s his fans and bot farms. The problem is more in the fact that he lets the audience do that.
@@samh8977 I’m not sure about the side of fair use, since Hasan does actually ask the uploaders if he is going to watch an hr worth of a clip on stream. Again, ppl who ragged on Hasan’s manner of reacting are 1) Criticising the chair reaction or 2) Pausing too much and adding too much extra stuff.
The first one is a valid criticism, the second is not.
Transformative or not, it depends on the fan’s side to decide. I don’t see xQc’s fans actually seriously taking his inputs as legitimately transformative.
I think that’s because “react harder” conjures an entirely different image in Hasan’s mind lmao i like him but yeah….
@nullvoid6095 your forgeting the stream that is monetised though ad venue, subs, and donations. But you're forgetting the most important point that it's stolen content no matter if he's making money on it
The difference is XQC doesn’t even think he’s doing anything wrong, where Ethan admits if he has done it it’s wrong and he apologizes.
XQC has done so much harm to the live-streaming space, I have to assume the only reason anyone interacts politely with him anymore is because of the army of children he very openly weaponizes. I'd love to see him become a Kick exclusive streamer.
If only.
sadge
@@Chris-xc5tk "cringe" and "cry" lmao! Zero creativity
i think from ethans perspective is that if copyright holders start to crackdown and file lawsuits against react streamers like xqc it will set a bad precedent for react content. i think thats why hes taken such a hard stance against people like xqc.
It's ironic because Ethan literally is a react streamer/podcaster. He used to be SO pro fair use and now he's an IP extremist. He's acting holier than thou
@@mikusheadphonesyou don’t understand fair use if you think Ethan is against fair use.
@@mikusheadphonesHe is clearly pro fair use. H3 is anti reuploading YT videos with face cam saying that’s crazy every few minutes.
I don't think I've ever hated a creator as much as xQc. He doesn't care or even try to appear like he cares about anyone but himself. At least Ethan and Hasan when they make mistakes will own it and try to fix it.
Adin Ross is worse but xqc is following his path, i wish hasan would stop being so generous to them
This is so far off from Xqc
Hasan, own it? Eeeh
What about Hitler?
I feel the same way, long before this interview too… he copied Ethan’s ticks too… bad vibes
I've always loved Hasan, but I used to actually dislike Ethan and H3. The past couple years Ethan has had a huge redemption arc, in my head. He seems to have changed himself for the better, and I respect that immensely.
And my gods... Ethan's debates are some of the most entertaining on the platform. I love how he and his crew set up the whole debate, and Ethan often pulls out a trap card mid debate. It's hilarious to watch the debates unfold... I'm glad we have Leftovers, so I can enjoy the both of them together.
Yeah I used to like Ethan and his anti-SJW arc, I didn't ever fall into that rabbit hole, I think my opinion when Trump was elected was pretty much well he sucks, probably more than Clinton but I'm not sure there's all that much between them. But yeah it turned into wow Trump really sucks, and then I found Hasan around 2021 I think, and then I realized Clinton sucks a lot too but for different reasons than I thought before. I guess in a way I came back to that original take of Clinton just sucked less, though with the added caveat that there were important differences there and were I American the right choice would have been Clinton, even if she was also a feckless neoliberal like her husband and Biden.
But yeah seeing them join up for Leftovers was like "Oh shit, Ethan on his redemption arc" he has cast off the "centrist" cap.
Why is it so hard for Hasan to understand that many of his viewers DO like him and still think there is valid criticism in pausanabi memes
The problem between Hasan’s viewers is that it’s between “Chair Reactor” and “Pausanabi” and he gave up on trying because his audience will grill him no matter what.
I’m not really invested in this whole debate honestly. I just really dislike XQC and enjoy seeing him getting flustered. Lol 😂
I loathe this mf so much but seeing him get rightfully dragged for being so dumb is so satisfying 😭
You gotta be a miserable mf huh lmao
I didnt realize how large the divide is between youtubers and Livestreamers when it comes to react content. Unfortunately XQC has forcibly became the sole representative for the livestream perspective and I think he ruined it for them...
I agree XQC is doing so much damage to the streaming space.
It makes sense why there’s such a divide. You’ve got one side being able to edit and release anytime and the other being in the moment while doing the bare minimum (not all obviously). It’s like XQC forgot pausing existed
And then when he isn't stealing content he's pushing gambling to kids. The dude is a real class act.
Sounds like money is his motive. Ethan imports clothes mass produced from where? Who does it?
@@90spawg23you’re grasping at the straws on a shelf that is so high up it’s difficult for you to reach them.
@@collieallover why are the questions not answered. Sheep
@@90spawg23 the irony
@@90spawg23 I have no idea what you are talking about,
but i would guess China.
why does it matter?
This tells me everything I need to know. Hasan, after hearing XQC diss him when he isn’t there, still defends him by saying “I don’t think he’d do that” while XQC will insult him at every chance he gets
I mean hasan can't not defend him it's he makes money though the exact some means
@@samh8977 What Hasan does and what XQC does for content is completely different. Also you can understand the words coming out of Hasan's mouth. I will say this though, I wish I was Hasan's friend because that MF is loyal to a fault.
@@samh8977 that’s not what he was defending, he was defending that XQC would stop reacting to a RUclipsrs videos if they asked him to, that had nothing to do with that lol
@@jonathansykes4986no. It's not. Jayexci is the perfect example
@@jonathansykes4986 I think part of it is not wanting to be harassed by X's psychotic fanbase, but I agree that Hasan seems like a great friend. It's that socialist empathy lol
Ethan hands Hasan his first stray W, and Hasan responds by calling Ethan’s whole argument bullshit and still be halfway in the camp of the guy who tried to throw him under the bus.
Yeah Hasan's practically blind support for Xqc is disgusting, makes him look like a braindead juicer, himself 🤦
Do you just change your morals and your worldview when someone you disagree with is nice to you lmfao? I know that's how Ethan operates, but that's because he doesn't hold very many genuine morals or beliefs. Someone being nice and/or being a big meanie head doesn't make them right or wrong- their argument does. You gotta start looking past the shapes and colors, my guy.
@@noellethomas2589 it was *mainly* a joke but I can see how you might get it crossed. It’s just funny to see Hasan be so happy that Ethan stood up for him just to say “eh this is all bullshit anyways” like 5 seconds later. And Ethan’s morals haven’t changed in like 7 years when it comes to fair use. Also, xQc is an actual thief that uploads vod rips to RUclips. Obviously Hasan doesn’t do that, using this video as a prime example, so he didn’t even really have a good reason to defend X, no matter how much he thinks the argument is just “react better”. No need to get defensive towards Hasan though. I like them both.
XQC constantly interrupting Ethan is so infuriating. It's like if he talks the fastest and the loudest he thinks he'll win the argument.
Many of them do that, and it’s so fucking annoying.
The Ben Shapiro school of debating.
I think he's trying to aggressive Ethan into submission. That's why some of the things he says sound like actual threats. But Ethan is unfazed by it. I think I would back down just to avoid the conflict, but Ethan is no people pleaser which I respect.
I worry he uses that in his personal life though, he would be a nightmare to live with.
Calling that "doing the worm" is the biggest crime
It’s a fairly accurate way to depict how a worm moves, even more so than the dance. I’d say it qualifies
@@yaboytroy357 dude was doing the anatomically correct version of it lol
Normally I find it kind of irksome when Ethan goes on a personal attack with superficial arguments. But honestly, XQC has consistently been a belligerent douche for months and months now. I find it hard to empathize with a guy whos as rich as he is who makes decisions as consistently poorly as he does.
months?! x has been a pest for years.
HE WAS ALWAYS THIS WAY!
@@harryk8696 I'm being generous, though in the past year or so I think he's been remarkably worse. Honestly, Hasan is far too nice to him
I feel like ethans point is that its going to ruin reacting for everyone when xqc and other twitch streamers get sued for non transformative content. He seems to know allot about it... since he won a groundbreaking fairuse lawsuit back in the day.
@@SeisoYabai Its like how hasan was too nice to adin ross, tbh i feel like he washes their reputation a little by doing it
Can confirm, I am a paid actor
omg
Trade Offer: Your hard work and content, in exchange for a clip of the Xqc doing the worst “worm” followed by a cock-grab “you like that?”
Alternate offer: 10x bro
Hasan I feel like you’re too close to this. It’s not just policing how someone reacts, I’m not saying there’s a firm line but recognizing non-transformative reaction videos isn’t rocket science. The average person can tell when the reactor isn’t adding anything. And it DOES matter when original content creators suffer because of lazy content creators shamelessly ripping content. You consistently forget that there’s an entire industry of original content creators, not everyone is reacting, not everyone is recycling content to create something new. Reactgate kicked off when xQc ripped off content from a smaller creator just like that. I agree that laws aren’t going to be formed from this, but re-establishing what the ethical expectations for react content is, can only be a good thing.
This is well thought-out criticism, keep it up!
@@nullvoid6095 thank you! i appreciated hearing that from someone a lot.
Imagine making over $100mil and still having this ego. I barely make $100k and am constantly reflecting, learning, accepting fault, etc. So hard to watch. I hope xqc is embarrassed by his actions sooner than later.
Making that much money by doing not that much work at such a young age can definitely ruin your ego
@@praneethramesh4535 that applies to content creators in general. When your personality is the product that's probably legit hard to manage on a personal level
@@praneethramesh4535 I don’t think it has to. There are plenty of rich people (streamers, too) that can take criticism and react appropriately.
100K makes you rich.
@@Schacal6666nah, not of they live on the coast, especially in population centers. That’s barely enough to have a small stable house on a 30 year mortgage.
What an atomic level L for xqc.
Inshallah pray for my juicer 🙏
XQC will never change because he can't examine his own actions.
And he's bad for the youth because he's teaching them the exsact same thing.
@@RichardBaran Yeah we are f**king screwed.
Would you belive me if I said that after the call with Ethan he jumped into one with Destiny, Destiny basically saying "yeah you lost L" and him then saying "no I cooked his ass"?
Well hes literally molded by children like allot of the "jingly keys" streamers
He's like Sebastian from kitchen nightmare.
This drama isn't just vibes. There's a genuine difference between reacting to things and doing it in a way that benefits the creator of the original video and stealing content. Ethan has won a foundational lawsuit on the matter, I think he understands the concept of what's transformative. I'm sure every creator that livestreams regularly has veered into the territory of violating fair use, but the problem comes when there's little to no attempt to benefit the creator of the video that's being reacted to and no acknowledgement that you've made mistakes before. Also, quoting massive creators like Mr. Beast that they like streamers reacting is a fundementally different power dynamic when comparing that to the views of smaller creators that are getting shafted.
And to Ethan's point about analytics, it was a pretty irrefutiable point. The guy's analytics dropped off a cliff after xqc uploaded that video. It's obviously not benefitting people how he does it.
Ethan’s argument isn’t perfect but xqc knows he’s wrong. That’s why he got so defensive. Ethan even called him out for stealing thumbnails and titles from the creators. Xqc knows exactly what he’s doing and it’s wrong that he was even willing to throw his own editors under the bus at certain points. I highly doubt his editors are using the creators’ thumbnails and titles without him knowing the entire time.
All these problems could easily be solved with a feature where if you want to react to someone elses video on twitch for example, the streamer puts the video link into a box in their UI that makes all of their views count on the original location too and shows a link to the creators page on the stream. Unfortunately it'd require companies like twitch and RUclips to work together to implement it, so I doubt that'll ever happen.
That's what Hasan does on twitch, a mod (usually phys) will pin the link of the video above the chat x just doesn't do that
@@kakirinThat doesn't get most of the views/money to the creator
@@kakirin I meant like having it all automated within each service so the link is a screen overlay and views are fairly distributed without having to rely on streamers/mods wanting to or remembering too or having links hidden in the description.
@@ThingsAnStuff oh yeah 100% the more options you give creators outside of courts the better
also when uploading a reaction instead of claming the whole video, there should be a system in place where a creator can claim a certain percentage of the revenue
Hasan once again jumping the gun and just assuming the whole argument is going to just be “react harder” when reacting hard enough is literally what separates fair use from theft. His opinion on this is honestly kind of infuriating. He treats content IP like it’s publicly funded medical R&D that’s being withheld from the public and that’s just not the same conversation.
I think his point is that you can always argue about whose content is more transformative or what even defines transformative content, but at the end of the day most creators don’t have an issue with reacting. What they DO have an issue with is reuploading full content which is obviously theft
@@suds7753 I really doubt small content creators appreciate having their content featured on bigger channels and then also having to ask for proper compensation to only have to wait for the bureaucracy to pay you.
He doesn't make much content so using other peoples stuff freely falls in line. He's live every day he has to kill time
@@chainholdthe most annoying part about this discourse is people like you who completely refuse to understand other perspectives and just strawman the whole time
@@drod2k1Political content and video games do not count tho? Documentaries, i would understand.
XQC has really changed since fully allowing the trainworms in, he isn't even unhinged in this, it just comes off as more calculated and dishonest while also being less funny.
What is train-speaking? I haven't heard that one before.
@@eldritchbeing2879trainwrecks is a streamer who argues really dishonestly with delusional claims.
getting out of your chair to get on the floor and crawl like a worm seems pretty unhinged behavior to me idk
@@tellyheadlol4258 Oh that explains the gif. Thank you.
He's also going through a really bad breakup/divorce case and addicted to gambling. He had talked about how his mental health is awful
I love Ethan’s strat of debating people who are dumb and think that he is also dumb
Holy shit this so true
legit the smartest he can do
People aren't dunking on xQc because it's fun or something, it's because he's a piece. He doesn't care about the consequences of what he does and climbed right to the top for being good at something but has since tried to spin that into being a streaming personality (which he just fails at). It's important to remember all your favorite streamers are just regular ole people, some of them suck. A lot.
xQc gives streamers a bad rep.
Before giving others like Hasan a try, I thought they were all like xQc and stayed away from all of them for the longest time.
The fact that he’s one of the biggest is a major problem for the streaming community.
Listening to react streamers debate using smaller creator's labor is like listening to bosses debate workers rights. The most valuable part of the whole video is the opinion of the content creator who listed specific complaints and the very simple ways of redressing them. If xqc started shouting out creators and pausing the video to talk this would all be a distant memory.
HUGE FACTS, literally dude just put in an OUNCE of effort
this! NONE of these rich MFs give a fvck about smaller creator's rights - they exploit them.
hasan is much worse than xqc in reacting and stealing, lmao and you are blind and totally lost it, actual 14 yo brainwashed fan base
someone on reddit commented that Hasan was like "a good landlord telling his tenants that he's a good guy because he's not as bad as the rest" - better conveyed but I dont remember the exact wording.
I like Hasan but that was just on point for me! Because that's exactly what I feel with him.
He shouldn't defend XQC with this "it's subjective" nonsense. There's a clear distinction between uploading someones full content with barely any addition and what Hasans doing
But at the end of the day all of them are benefitting of off other peoples work 🤷♀️
@@Fiemus9but if he doesn't run a Lil D for X he also has to catch heat which he even acknowledged in this clip. It's a sad selfish move but Hasan is open about being hedonistic and selfish(OK cool ig?) it's like my landlord bragging to me about how he didn't raise rent this year despite how profitable it would have been, like wow that's awesome!!! That's awesome!!! Wow thanks for not actively choosing increased excess wealth over my housing security!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
kudos to Ethan on learning how to speak pepega for this XQC debate
I've been a fan of Hasan for years, and Ethan's arguments are 100% right, and most apply to Hasan, and it's a shame he doesn't have a morally coherent view on this, most likely because it makes his life much easier and much comfortable in terms of getting content to not see it. xQc is just straight up an evil child though.
Lmao. Not everyones morals are the same, and you obviously have a very narrow understanding of what is “coherent” if his position really makes you feel that bad.
Hasan is just too proud to ever admit that he’s doing something wrong, xqc just doesn’t care, he’s so bloated with wealth he is delusional lay detached from reality
I’m guessing that Hasan thinks that fair use laws are BS anyways, since he doesn’t care about ppl uploading 6 hrs of his stream on their YT channel to garner 200K viewers. It’s likely that he’s actually aware, but that’s what he’s going to stand on.
I don't think XQC is evil. Narcissistic? Yes. Childish. Yes. Evil? No.
Hasan, as a Marxist, is (mostly) a dialectical materialist. Ethics and morals will always be subjective, and while he does appeal to people's sense of empathy when making arguments sometimes, there is always an underlying material reality. The quality of a reaction is what's being discussed when people talk about transforming content, and quality is entirely subjective. What is transformative to one person may not be transformative to another, even when both people are discussing things in good faith.
xqc: if you're gonna cut me off we're not gonna have a conversation
Also xqc: *stuttering his way through the middle of every sentence Ethan says*
With all the Peace & Love in the world, when Hasan draws an equivalence by saying the argument can turn into who reacts harder, he's understating the difference between Ethan, who pauses videos every five seconds to add commentary, and XQC who falls back on Mr. Chair. The former is falling squarely into fair use territory and the latter isn't... there's a GULF between the two styles in terms of how they transform the original
I feel like the main point that even Hasan is missing is that credit needs to go to the origonal creator, not 'react harder. The way Hasan's videos are edited and the way he reacts lead to interest in the original creator, XQC and other 'bad' reacts dont. I believe everyone up in arms about reactgate would be satisfied if proper credit (and thus clickthroughs and views) went to the original creators. 'React harder' is just irrelevant noise
If you can accuse Hasan of anything, it’s that he can be reliably counted on to miss the point when conflicts technically involve him.
Yeah it’s odd how Hasan kept bringing up nuance (reacting to friends or getting permission or proper credit and sourcing), but then turns around and says it’s just vibe based when xqc doesn’t do any of that
I don’t get why Hasan doesn’t see a problem with leaving a video playing while he’s not watching it. He brought up how people are unfairly flanderising him into ‘chair react’ when he’s actually kind of the opposite most of the time, but he’s acting like it’s physically impossible to just pause the video. It feels like the bare minimum should be to pause a video before leaving the room. I understand that chat needs to be kept entertained, but then put one of your own videos on, or play some royalty free music or smth. Don’t just leave a video that you’re reacting to running while you leave the room. Idk it feels pretty simple to me.
100% Hasan’s react content when he reacts to smaller creators comes off borderline like paid promos for those creators sometimes
Yeah when he brought up the analytics thing I was thinking. “That’s the point. X doesn’t provide that same benefit so pointing at your stats doesn’t help his argument. Illustrated by the creator’s feedback that Ethan got about reactors”
I love that Ethan pointed out that that Hasan atleast gives out clout and says "I love this channel and you should watch it etc" while xQc just watch and moves on....
He kind of promoted SunnyV but well..
@@0912sooli SunnyV 🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@0912sooli even if he did you are talking about SunnyV.... We are talking about good channels here
@@sayori265 yeah thats what I meant
@@sayori265what's wrong with sunnyV
If he takes things this personally with a stranger and gets this incoherent and upset on live, then I can only imagine what it would be like to actually have a personal relationship with him. He's gotta be the worst kinda friend, brother, son, etc.
He talks like if somebody upsets he he's going to do violence to them as well. Maybe it was all posturing but if he speaks that aggressively to loved ones they may genuinely interpret the aggression as potential abuse.
There's no way he's not an abuser to his wife he's so aggressive. I've never come across somebody so inherently aggressive and angry it's actually fuckin scary
@@hellsjamfleashe's always this aggressive. I find it so unnerving.
I didn't think Adept handled everything smoothly, but damn I understand why she broke up with him
Stuff like this shows me that people don't become millionaires/billionaires because their somehow smarter than anyone else. It's just dumb luck
He lost so hard, he’s gonna ask his chat to mass report Ethan…
i was in the stream and it got disliked bombed a few minutes after the “debate” ended
So the thing Hasans community does every time.
wild how the only debate I've seen XQC perform well in was against Andrew Tate. Bro needs to be debating the worst human imaginable to make compelling arguments.
I genuinely believe that a 14 year old who speaks fluent English and got a B in social studies could beat Tate in a debate
"xQc is getting divorce" - Dan ☠
It is very hard for people to hear that they've done something wrong and not instinctively jump to defend it. Because having somebody else tell you that you're wrong, or that something you're doing is wrong, often feels like a personal attack.
Its not hard if you not a narcissist
@@ROBER-n4u Why do you think people have arguments?
I used to think XQC's personal attacks were because he just got emotional but didn't mean it. However after he went and talked to Destiny and said he attacked Ethan to try to fluster him to get a leg up in the debate, its indefensible.
Watching Ethan "debate" with Xqc is like watching my dumb brother fight with my dad.
Another hairline absorbed babyyyyyy!!!
YESSS🎉🎉
xQc has always been one of the most cringe personalities in the space, just one of those forms of entertainment I don't understand the appeal of, but this man, SHAKING mad is saying Ethan got a PAID ACTOR. STOP.
They all suck, is what you have to realize.
Never seen Ethan as angry as this. He was ready to throw hands. Hasan wished Ethan would hold back but when you're in that space, it's real hard to stay composed. Big ups to Ethan for not shouting 😊
But Ethan seemed extremely calm and collected compared to xqc lol. Ethan made him so mad that he started spazzing out on the floor. 🤣
It blows my mind that I'm sitting here watching g someone react to a podcast debate between two creators who react to content, debating on the proper way to react to content by watching previous videos they reacted to. Sometimes you gotta take a step back and just appreciate the beauty of it all
It blows my mind how hard it is to twitch streamers to understand that the point is that reacting to other's content is on itself zero effort and has zero merit and AT LEAST you should ask for permission if you are going to milk their labor for your profit. That's it.
What's worse is the fans that don't see that either lol.
I thought he did though didn’t he?
They are so used to it by now. They look at RUclips as a free library of videos that they can show other people for profit
the editor editing this must have been sweating LMAO
I can never tell when Hasan and xqc are friends...Their relationship is weird, and from my perspective it's xqc's ego that is at fault.
I miss the old XQC
I mean, they are in the same circles. Husan was "friends" with him when he thought he could gain more popularity from him. But they are quite similar streamers at the end of the day husan a reactor with a political hint and xqc a reactor that is very vocal
Hasan doesn't want to be involved. So he takes H3 side in this debate carefully because he knows Ethan is right, while also supporting XQC points considering Hasan does the same form of react content.
It is really weird and disingenious.
@@joppekim he doesn't want people fucking with his money. When if he actually followed what he preachs he would be condemning reactors. He is the wealthy businessman profiting while the labourers get nothing. They get a shoutout while he gets ad revenue, stream donations and grows.
@@samh8977 Hasan doesn’t have a problem with ppl uploading an entire 9 hr stream unedited from him, so i guess that is at least consistent.
*Ethan makes intelligent point
XQC: "You're Bald." *busts out the worm
Hasan's take on this is so deflective... this topic spans well beyond just youtubers and online figures. Copyright laws and creative common laws should be preached and SHOULD be held accountable. Yes there are blurry lines but Ethan is not talking about that, he's talking about someone who LITERALLY ripped the exact thumbnail, title and content consistently and is educating folks on the wrongs of these actions. Hasan's bias is showing despite a clear and coherent argument being made by Ethan. So much for standing up for the everyday joe
Hasan makes this type of content himself so he is kinda on XQCs side, even though he knows Ethan is right.
He doesn''t want to be a part of the drama
He's a Marxist you knob. He believes in the complete abolition of private property. IP laws were very fittingly created by little mustache man. Government subsidies for art creation would do way more to help the "everyday joe" than enforcing laws that can only be upheld or defended by going through a ridiculously expensive court system that is monetarily out of reach for said "everyday joe".
Sounds pretty capitalist of you. It should be public property.
I didn’t know who that xqc dude was til now…. What an absolute rude dude.
I unfortunately know him from his OW days. He was a massive dick incapable of self reflection or working with others. Literally got dropped from a pro team for it
Taking the low road on this one but why do you think his ex departed his ass. Dude flat out instigated his family against her by blasting their issues all out on the internet to see when that shit should ALWAYS be kept in private. Yes she was no better by not respecting his family rules but one wrong doesn't make another right. It's all childish and proved he hasn't matured and catering to his demographic audience. Dude lives and breaths through his chat and that invertedly leads to toxicity. As a fellow juicer I wish all the best for Felix and hope he learns some humility and grows not just as a content creator but as a person.
u say this as if ethan wasnt just as rude.
@@skidmark2861during this conversation? Ethan was very level headed. And i hate H3H3 for all its flaws
he's not dumb, he knows if he's annoying enough we will leave him alone, big mistake tho we have time lmao
I’m watching Hasan watch XQC and Ethan watch Hasan and Ethan watching Coffeezilla. The internet was a mistake
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Felix is possibly the most emotionally oblivious human being that's ever existed.
And he's worth more than I'll ever see.
Imagine if you were literally spending more than 75% of your life sitting infront of a webcam with 10s of thousands of inept yes-men tweens. You never face any real consequences and the money keeps rolling in.
He's a product of that.
I genuinely don't understand how Hasan doesn't get that there's a right and wrong way to do react content. It's honestly to the point where either A.)he's doing a bit; or B.) He genuinely doesn't understand that Ethan's criticisms are being levied against xqc because it is reminiscent of a problem RUclips has had before. There's obviously ways to go about this that's ethical. This isn't a new fuckin thing, like at all. those exact same issue happened back in 2017, where larger RUclips "React" channels were cannibalizing the content of smaller creators without credit or compensation. It wasn't until more well known creators, like Ethan spoke up about it that anything was done. To say that Ethan is coming down on xqc because of vibes is not only asinine and dismissive of legitimate arguments against an unethical practice; but, also doesn't take into account that this situation is history repeating itself.
The problem specifically is if streamers upload their low effort reacts back to RUclips. If it’s on stream and exclusively stays on twitch, who cares? But when you reupload on RUclips it’s encroaching on their ability to have reach
Exactly this.
If he didn't upload the video to YT (or it was chopped up in editing so much that viewers needed to watch the original for full context), then this would not be an issue.
Unfortunately, I don't think this would stop fan channels from uploading the full VOD.
And thats the point that hasan and Felix make. They say that their main channels are edited and shit, it's fans and bots that upload VOD rips and they both have said if that happens, DMCA that channel
@@mikusheadphones xqc owns his vod channel, so he is intentionally encroaching on the RUclips space
@@mikusheadphonesIt should not be on the creator themselves to search for any VOD showing their video so they can personally DMCA it. Hasan is placing all of the blame on the original content creator to find those VODs themselves.
You're right that it shouldn't be on the creator if it's on a fan channel, but this is obviously a different issue if the reactor uploads the content to RUclips themself.
I wish hasan wasn’t ranting about something else when xQC called that victim DM a paid actor. That was a fucking insane take
No Hasan! This isn't petty creator back and forth, posting a react video with 20 seconds of extra content is theft, Ethan has never done anything remotely egregious.
Watching this live was such a treat. When Dan dropped the "xQc's getting a divorce" Fucking chef's kiss
Have to say that all the comments from massive content creators, not having an issue with reaction, is missing the point. Of course they have no problem with it, they get millions of views. The bigger issue is smaller creators, who get no growth from it, while the reactors get almost all the views. Then the algorithm picks up the reaction videos, and pushes that into people's recommended, while the originals don't get any of that.