This was a no brainer purchase for me. Most of my fleet is smaller short ranged ships, and the Liberator can operate with a minimal crew. It also gives me a ship that can carry larger ground vehicles.
Constructive criticism : Adding the conclusion section with the giveaway of this month, when this months giveaway is already over, is a little bit wierd. Beyond that, great video!
I'd sit on the reclaimer a bit longer, it will probably go up in price when salvage comes on line. Assuming you intend to CCU and not melt your reclaimer
As cool as this ship is, I am not giving up on my 7 big specialized multicrewed ships that make up my resource extraction, refining and engineering services ships. I am still waiting for CIG to release a flying refinery ship to complete my supply chain.
@@bullymaguire8868 Actually, the majority of the rear processing deck interiors are intentionally left empty of sorting and other post material processing machinery and conveyors. Expect various process machinery to help specialize your Reclaimer be it a parts puller or a post salvage base material sorter. Not sure if this will also include a refinery that would melt high purity scrap back into usable metal stock.
@@ph11p3540 yeah, I just thought it could add some flexibility to the ship. It's one of my favourites and a retrofit could easily fill the gap in mobile refineries
Orion will have an onboard refinery. It's the only one I know of that has been confirmed to include it. I know there were talks of Reclaimer having a limited capability refinery along with the Argo Mole but nothing more has come of it to my knowledge.
I heard during TheAstroPub's 24 hour stream during CitizenCon that this is the "Pickup Truck" of Star Citizen.... Everyone's going to want to know someone with one... but not everyone will want to own one. It's going to be the "Buddy with a pickup". Better to know the guy, than to be that guy.
I'm excited to be that guy. I melted a few ships that'll be easier to earn in game for this. Guy who will give you a lift across pyro sounds fun to me.
There's one image where the bottom turret is perfectly clear. It's the image where the tank is rolling ON from the back of the Liberator (image 2/4 in the slideshow near the bottom of the Liberator Commlink). In the image where you circled in yellow, you were correct that that was the bottom turret.
Once ships stop spawning out of thin air, and can only be deployed from where they were last used, it will be necessary to move ships and vehicles between systems, and I can see something like this providing the service. If you have mostly smaller craft in your personal fleet, it could even be your base ship where you keep a group of ships you are using so they can go to distant places together without complication.
My concern is that without additional beds to logout from, the range is farther for the ships and vehicles than the for the crew to pilot them. I would also think even the lowest tier medical would be appropriate being that you will likely go places where self reliance is key. Sure for a large ORGs bringing many ships is realistic, but for smaller groups this may be the only larger ship they can crew. It falls short of the full range platform the marketing suggests.
The marketing is BS. It's only "long-range" compared to the ships it will carry. This is a point-to-point ship ferry that can also be used for landing missions, but no endeavours that take longer than a single session to complete (since you can't log out without a bed). Like all ships, it has been intentionally gimped to force tradeoffs and poor compromises because "one ship shouldn't do everything" (and to 'encourage' backers to spend more for a fleet of ships that will be needed to try out the different kinds of gameplay that they intend to offer).
The most expensive Jpg concept idea for a ship ever conceived. Edit: it has the feeling of a tool that you need but you know you will rarely use it because of it’s requirements and it’s niche.
Overall agree with you. This will be an incredibly important ship for anyone who needs to relocate their ships or organization. This is on my org's buying list but in-game.
This seems like it will excel as a space ferry, starting at one end of the system and picking up people wanted to travel to Pyro's jumppoint along the way
Have you considered the Liberator as a personal ship staging area? If you have multiple accounts one can be the Liberator pilot that logs in and drops off ships. For a 3 toon multi-boxer this is an awesome platform! Liberator pilot, Scout pilot and ROC Pilot with spare ROCs and a Prospector to switch to for large rocks or mining in space. 400scu for ore means you can hang out on the field longer to bring back more and minimize transit to refinery or market.
I was considering it until you voiced the concern about the number of players to crew it. It would be silly to use this as a home-base if you were running solo, because it would sit undefended while you were mining or on a mission with one of the smaller ships. I think physical inventory is going to inflate the pirate gameplay a ton, and an undefended ship will be destroyed quickly
The last part of the review is probably the most relevant thing when buying ships from CIG. I wish I thought like that before I got a whole fleet my self. Sure im in a large org and the ships will probably get used. But probably not so much by me. And the people that i'm hanging around with in SC basically has their own fleets as well. And we all have like 1 or 2 single player ships, otherwise its large multi crew ships. Good review. I think the liberator had done better if it was abit bigger so you could decide if you should take 1 medium and one small ship, or 3 small ships.
just to be clear, there are guardrails on each side of the pad at the bottom front. you wont be able to squeeze anything all the way to the sides unless the wings are high enough/fold up high enough to fit
Hearing about the cargo space makes me immediately realize it's industrial potential. Imagine two vultures on the pads, utilizing the 400 scu for scraped material.
I have not read all the comments, but one item that stands out to me is the statement of spawning. This leads me to believe the ship will "store" onto the ship say as a player logs out and can re-spawn when the player logs in.
Hi Sub, I think CIG made a mistake calling it a Light Carrier. It's more like an Escort Carrier. The role of an Escort Carrier is to provide support for various operations including landings. The primary role of a Light Carrier is to provide escort duty for the main battle carriers with air cover.
I wouldn't call it a mistake. CIG has a naming scheme. (Payload Role) so the liberator is a Light Carrier. The kraken is a heavy carrier. The gladiator is a light bomber. Retaliator Heavy Bomber. Arrow light fighter. Sabre Medium Fighter Warden Heavy Fighter. etc. They aren't trying to mimic real life rather trying to express exactly what the ship is capable of doing in relation to other ships in its class. Light does the least in it's class, heavy does the most and medium is in between.
@@SubliminaLstv I would. It isn't a carrier in the navy sense. It's a "carrier" in the sense that a car carrier "carries cars". Transport. Ferry. They even reference the LCAC for design decisions(so it IS a transport/ferry).
@@CaliJoshua Something like a special operations small strike force transport. A few squads, some tanks/apcs, and a few very small scout aircraft(no real capability to strike, just too small). For that role, you'd just need to fuel the aircraft(they're scouts and could easily just work off the back of a flight 1 Arleigh-Burke equivalent). You'd def need basic medical facilities, because losing trained soldiers becomes expensive very quickly.
@@Grimmwoldds Yes this basic capability would make this ship invaluable and really open up the Verse for a wide range of uses, and give more meaning to vehicles and smaller ships. It doesn't have to excel at it or "Punch Above it's Weight," but these basic capabilities would transform it to make the game really enjoyable for a few friends. I stowed a CCU into my Buyback incase they revamp it, but otherwise I just can't justify it.
The first concept picture you showed had one savage Hornet like ship on it... I counted 4 S3 ballistic gatling's, the two nose turrets, and the ball turret up top...damn, I want one.
As a solo player, this would also serve as a good mobile base, as you can fit a prospector for mining or a Vulture for salvaging, a light and medium fighters for dogfighting, and some ground vehicles. Not to mention that you can use it as a cargo hauler as well and the shields should allow you to have enough time to jump in your fighter and fight off a light/medium fighter that is attacking you. Basically for a solo player that has invested about 1000 dollars in the game, this is the perfect base as all your ships and vehicles should fit in and allow you to participate in the majority of game loops without wasting time going to space stations. I love it, and just upgraded to one :)
it was originally supposed to be able to refuel ships with the fuel tank, but after a few itterations it lost the functionality. A bit odd to have a carrier that is not capable to actively refuel its fleet tbh.
Great video as always Sub! I love the look of this ship and I am hoping to pick one up. The carrier/ferry role is one that I have always wanted to play. I am preparing my CCU chain as we speak and hope to make it happen as of IAE! You are welcome to come aboard any time! BTW I am a brand new content creator in SC and just posted my first video today! Its not much but its something to start with!
Even as a soloplayer and not really liking the optics the liberator made it onto my "to grind for" list. The only 2 points that have me concerned are the lack of passenger beds for really long term ferrying and that long range ships usually get an industrial quantum drive as stock punishment
I am certainly impressed that it has more under the hood than originally thought as I too thought this was an uninteresting ship but it certainly has some possibility's once we get more systems in with the verse. While I don't think this will be worth real money purchase as well as its clear this is a utility, mass produced relatively easy to acquire pocket carrier. it's just enough to support a squad of light to medium fighters pretty easily and its simple design is appreciated. I think the two things that I hate about this ship is the open to space design. it has more than enough space for a fly through internal bay that would be required if you are making hand repairs to your ship. I think its duel focus on land vehicles and ships is a little silly, we have MORE than enough ships that can carry vehicles now, I really don't see this being a great drop ship, your not going to want to land this thing at the front lines. Second I think the two person crew is a bit...sparse for the size. Realistically to function its going to need more than that. though it is nice to have a low bare minimum crew cost I know many will like the idea of having a few of these for their org just manned by one person to offer support for their ships while pilots or ground forces get the job done. Still it's more impressive then I thought even if it is over priced. Buy gold, not space ships kids.
i saw the first look at this ship and once i saw the first image i was like study study study scale. once i had a few minutes to think scale i stopped the video to see if i can buy it RIGHT NOW!!!! if it flys like a reclaimer then it will be used on rare occasion if it flys like C2 this might get as much use as my daily driver pretty ships are nice to look at but in space it can be the shape of a ball or brick and preform the same as any ship with dynamics. this ship would be borderline perfect shape of reality. i think if you have a few ships and move often this best in game being 1/3 the cost of kraken and that ship will perform like a reclaimer. i think if you can only have 1 large ship or budget above 300 this should be your first consideration a size 5 turret right behind the pilots seat??? lol can probably use this ship in ERT missions hahaha ranger is still my most desired ship i want in game ASAP but the liberator and corsair cant get here soon enough
Imagine how much more versatile the Liberator could be if cargo netting could be employed in the garage area. I think this ship is going to be awesome for small to mid sized orgs.
I'm just gonna copy/paste my response to another Liberator video: This ship is brilliant and I'll tell you why in four words. Mobile Forward Operating Base. *Ground assault?* Check. You're bringing 2 vehicles, three fighters, and 16 troopers. *Secure and hold?* Check. Keep extra weapons and supplies in the armory and ample storage and provide a rallying point for reinforcements. *Ground-based mining operation with a group of ROCs?* Check. With 400 SCU they can keep running back and forth ALL DAY filling up the generous cargo hold. *Stripping a large crashed ship?* Check. Park it right next to the wreck and send a group of people in there to strip every component and scrap of valuable metal, plus you got plenty of space to bring a security detail parked right on top. I'm not 100% sold on the price, but I think this ship will be a staple of orgs who have any interest in surface operations. The only thing it's missing is maybe a Tier 3 hospital bed to stabilize patients and heal minor injuries, which would have been absolutely perfect and made it well worth the cost. As always, thanks for the great work!
I suspect like med-bay tiers, if this ship ever gets modularity (and frankly I hope all ships do to some degree allow customizations) they won't allow anything as advanced as the Crucible since it is another Anvil ship, that would render it less specialized. Though I know with the Crucible, it's got the ability to move and attach/detach different modules and also work on larger ships so there is added functionality to it anyway. I'd want some capability for minor repairs on ships like the Liberator though, 100% :) maybe it specializes in fully repairing land vehicles to set it apart? Would be cool to see that on an M2 as well in the future.
I just got one. I will park a vangaurd, an eclipse, a pieces and an arrow up top. Ballista, tank and cyclone and quad in side. Perfect low man count man bounty hunting platform in pyro.
I think it's ships like this that will open up the game for most players. There's nothing wrong with staying mostly in one system and running that, but a ship like this will let us stretch our legs with a few options ready to go for our style, anywhere we go.
and it even comes with 3 bathrooms because one or two appariently werent enough. Jokes aside this is probably a very good option for a mobile base of operation for a lot of different professions. Certainly more versatile (even though arguably a lot uglier) than the C2/M2 Hercules when it comes to that since you sacrifice a little (multipurpose) cargospace in excange for seperate dedicated cargo and vehicle bays as well as the landing pads.
It’s certainly going to be amusing when all these ships that require a decent sized crew finally are introduced with full features. There’s going to be thousands of half manned ships.
thats why there will be ai crew and server blades for automation of turrets. That said, I doubt we will ever see a fully crewed Idris or Javelin, considering they require (more than) an entire Server to be fully crewed.
The whole philosophy for multi-crew ships is poorly thought out. By the time that this game is released, many backers that originally pledged in high school will be too busy with work, families, and other real life to be able to schedule regular play sessions with enough people at the same time to man the ships. I don't see hired NPCs as ever coming close enough for some roles.
@@benjwgarner on top of that I doubt that you will find people to do some odd jobs like engineering and sitting at a panel all day rerouting energy etc.
To me its the ship with the biggest value and the price is justified. You can do it all with that ship: piracy, salvaging, mining, ground attacks, travel alongside cargo ships to protect them with small fighters, transport ships from a to b for whatever reason (racing, combat, mining, etc), transport cargo yourself while moving your ships from a to b, traveling alongside a dedicated explorer to get more ground vehicles on the surface, disable and steal ships with its tractor beam... This is the ship that can do it all expect being a combat ship on its own.
My dream ship would be a 300m Anvil capital ship that look like a battleship with 2 or 3 enormous turret having 3 canons each on the middle top of the ship to destroy big target and plenty of smaller turret to take care of smaller fighters, with the possibility to carry small fighters, having a medbay, a prison, a bit of strorage space to fit my carreer as a bounty hunter with my friends
Best and most comprehensive take on this ship sofar. The pictures blown up showed me a scale I couldn't even see before. I didn't see the catwalks...dats a big ship. I'm already locked into the lib, just have to complete the ccu from the C2. I will wait just a little longer until 3.15 fully hits ,since loaners don't work in the ptu. There are probably more options with a ship of this size than other huge cap/sub caps with such a small crew complement. Even a large crew of people with imagination and ..nova tanks/balis you could make your own fun. The big restriction I see is the clearance larger size ships will have with those huge thrusters. Either way just as a mobile prospector base / mobile camp, I'd be happy.
At first presentation of this ship my thoughts on it was……Meh. Then as I thought about it, it is a remarkably useful ship. Orgs will need it. A solo player can be a ship taxi in larger systems (when and if we see them). I won’t be buying it real money or in game as a solo player, but groups definitely can utilize this.
it's like the perfect little base of operations for small mercenary operations. Like imagine if you there was a convoy hauling stuff, one of these loaded with fighters would be a great defense against pirates. Or miners might want to hire one. Cool to think about
I'm wondering if 'effective' carrying capacity will have meaning vs. maximum carrying capacity. In essence, what you can fit on the craft effectively is determined by how accessible hand-based rearming, repairing, and refueling will be. If you can have 15 arrows on the pad, will they all be serviceable? How easily will you be able to get in and scramble? Will it be a huge pain in the ass? All of this will need to be worked out in practice, I guess, whenever the ship comes out. The real value is in the low crew requirements for such a large vessel with such a huge amount of carrying capacity, freeing up other crew members for scrambling or other tasks. Just don't expect it to do any hot drops.
I am curious if the upper pads will allow a Prospector and an Expanse to be docked, making the Liberator into a mobile Mining and Refining Station, using the cargo hold to collect the refined ore.
I'm still kicking around a reshuffle of my fleet. I'm at the point where I already felt like I've spent to much so I'm not buying anything else so to grab a liberator I would have to melt a few. I was planning on doing a full melt and trying to grab a Kraken but this seems like a much better choice if I'm honest. I'm just not sure about the shuffle. The only thing I know I want to do this Nov is melt my Cutty B. Why? Because I honestly think the ship is not that great and hate the direction they took with its rework back in the day. I'll wait for a aegis or crusader analog or just not have a ship like it. This ship seems interesting. Honestly for what it does an what it has I can see it being a great home away from home ship. I already however have a m2. I definitely don't plan on having both.
My thought is I did not hear you say crew beds pilots need to sleep and when the new systems come online logging out in your ship is going to become more important
i keep hearing about how it can transport others. that being the case can you secure one lift. this would let the cockpit stay secure and stop pirates from steeling the ship
Large orgs are gonna need a lot of these (and they'll die often i imagine). So if one is an org player i think they shouldn't worry about this ship not being needed.
Until we get the Idris in players hands, I will use the Liberator for flight ops. Who knows once down the pipeline certain tweaks are made to its details but as a mothership it works.
I really love the Liberator but my favorite fighters are the Vanguard and Ares which wont fit so its definitely a pass for me. Also because im sure my org will have a handful of them already anyways
Doesn’t matters how many Arrows you can fit in it, the magnetic grids are 2+1 (outside). There rest is gonna move around during any travel or manurers. Those kind of tricks are gonna works only on alpha stage where the magnetic grids are not yet implemented 🤷🏻♂️ I really don’t know why people still struggle to fit more than appropriate number of ship everywhere 🤦🏻♂️
as long as one leg is secured to a magnetic pad there should not be much movement at all. Besides, even if they are not magnetically locked they still won't move unless there are significant g-forces involved, for which the liberator is too sluggish to pull off. Unless you plan to do a barrelroll in atmosphere this is not going to be an issue.
That is not true. You should have continued watching the video. They literally answers this question in the Q&A and I read it during the video... It's not about magnets it's about the gravity generator. Magnets only play into how cargo is secured.
@@SubliminaLstv same point and even worst, the gravity generator it's gonna capture only some amount of mass on those platform. And 3 ship against 10 smaller ships doesn't have the same mass. It will never happen to see for example an Idris with 20 small fighter inside instead of 3 large. Otherwise why release a loading ships capacity on those ships ? Idris, Javelin, Carrack, Kraken, 890j (big hangar), Liberator... CIG should just say " how many ship you can fit depending of the size you choose" but they didn't because it's not like that and will never be. The states ONLY the num. of ship you can carry and the size... this means it's likely that CIG will decide that the landing pad size has mass/type limits as well as dimension limits. We all aim to have a MMO simulation game not an arcade game where everyone can do whatever they want. lol
@@dmdr3168 Find me where CIG states: "on those pads or hangars (Kraken, Idris, Liberator, 890J, Javelin, Carrack) you can fit how many ship you want depending on the size you choose"... Never !! The states ONLY the num. of ship you can carry and the size... this means it's likely that CIG will decide that the landing pad size has mass/type limits as well as dimension limits. This is a fact.
i see value in ships different than CIG when i saw the steel was over 200 and the other greedy cash grabs i would assume the liberator would have been priced over 3000 if you scale the validity to the steel... to me the steel has way more hinderance or useless compared to black so i would priced steel at 80 dollars... but the most no brainer ship you can buy is the endeavor if you dont own this ship its because your budget is aurora. i think if you can afford this ship but dont have it your under ratting this ship and you might not be so bright....
well, you could actually offer shuttle service through the much larger pyro system for pilots with smaller crafts to make a profession out of it. The system is not only going to be much larger but there are a lot fewer refueling opertunities.
@@BizzMRK Pyro doesn't exist yet and ship insurance won't apply there it seems. Plus, how long would I had to wait until I enough customers to make the trip? Would the first ones be willing to wait for the last ones? I don't see that happening.
@@MarceloMeireles No ship insurance and no small ships: definitely the right choice to work on as the second system for a game where systems take years to create.
@@MarceloMeireles Tbh, it will be rare that this ship would be in danger if it acts as a taxi. Just park in orbit and let the small ship go, and they won't have a way out without your ship and if they refuse to pay, you can inform others not to bother with them. I can see it working.
CIG has a naming scheme to ensure players understand a ships role in relation to other ships in that role. (Payload Role) so the liberator is a light carrier and the kraken is a heavy carrier. The arrow is a light fighter, the sabre a medium fighter, and the warden is a heavy fighter. It has nothing to do with real life, this is a videogame.
It’ll be interesting to see how many ships / vehicles can be carried once weight becomes an issue. Can’t wait to see us all struggling to break atmosphere and throwing stuff out of the window to achieve it 😂
considering it can dock there is no need to do atmospheric flight while fully loaded. You could also deploy the fighters outside of atmosphere or load them up after existing it.
I don't know why you people insist on calling this a carrier. It is a blast boat or landing craft. Not a carrier. In fact there in one almost exactly like this in the Star Wars universe.
They said in the QA (also part of the video in case you missed it) that the Prospector fits on the XS pads and from testing around with the 3d models it should also fit the Expanse, but remember that sizes and shapes of these ships (aside from the Prospector of course) can still change before they are released.
No lol 🤣. Although some ships for example were bought at $250 and I expect to be worth $750 within a year. They do appreciate and it's possible to sell them ONCE. But calling it an NFT would be criminal.
@@SubliminaLstv I see, I think I can afford the wait. If you’re still replying do you have any idea or guess until the Corsair also becomes available? I dig that ship and I’m eagerly awaiting for it.
@@SubliminaLstv It fits 2 x XXS and 1 x XS. The Prospector is a size S. So the prospectors won't stay on the hangar deck if you initiate QT or go through JP. From the Q & A: Q: -"Can the Liberator transport one big ship on both its upper decks providing the latter can touch down with all of its landing gear?" A: -"Officially, this won’t be supported as large ships won’t be able to spawn there, but what players do after the initial spawn is up to them. So, while they can surely ‘Tetris’ larger ships onto the landing pads, it will likely not be supported as an official method of landing."
Your interpretation of the landing pads is wrong. The liberator has 2 XS landing pads and 1 XXS landing pad. Further more... What is the largest ship that can be parked in each of the garages, the upper landing pads, and the front landing pad? The garages and front landing pad can store ground vehicles up to and including the Tumbril Nova and Anvil Ballista, and what we refer to internally as ‘XXS’ ships, which includes the Argo MPUV and Origin 85x. The upper landing pads support ‘XS’ ships, which includes most single-seat combat ships (Aegis Sabre, Anvil Hornet and Arrow, etc.) and other single-player ships such as the MISC Prospector.
The XXS pads are pads that to my knowledge are only on ships. Watch the citcon vid on the liberator they explain where XXS pads have been used before. That is what is on the front. And the 2 on top are XS small pads. It's dumn I know. They need to revamp the whole naming scheme.
so the thing with these larger ships that REQUIRE multicrew to even function properly, let alone be effective... you're probably going to want to either have a decently active org, or have a large group of friends who play regularly... but whichever is the case, you could pool the money to actually get it, so instead of 1 person paying $500, its 5 people paying $100, or 10 people paying $50, which doesnt seem nearly as bad. the issue with THAT tho, is that obviously only 1 person can own it, so until we have more org features in such as the org itself having a bank account and the org itself having ships that anyone in the org can freely use at any time, then ya its not really much of an option... but i think they're gonna add that "eventually(tm)", so hopefully in the future the average player could afford it, so long as they have an org
Not really, spending three days in game making 3mil aUEC to pool together enough to buy a liberator between you and your 4 org-mates is not the same as spending $500. In 6 days you could get enough to buy 2 Incase the owner isn't online. Also orgs will be able to buy ships themselves in the future. And share them amongst it's members. This is all an estimate of the liberator costing $12mllion it could be more of less.
That would only work with people you know well in real life.The *last* thing I want to do in a video game is deal with buy-ins and buy-outs of real money for a fractional ownership scheme. Who would want to play Club-Owned Airplane Simulator 2030?
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@@leeeandre got a point there!
This was a no brainer purchase for me. Most of my fleet is smaller short ranged ships, and the Liberator can operate with a minimal crew. It also gives me a ship that can carry larger ground vehicles.
Constructive criticism : Adding the conclusion section with the giveaway of this month, when this months giveaway is already over, is a little bit wierd.
Beyond that, great video!
I had problems uploading. Next months giveaway is coming up soon.
nice ship concept, wonderful *stares at his reclaimer with a broken cargo elevator*
I'd sit on the reclaimer a bit longer, it will probably go up in price when salvage comes on line. Assuming you intend to CCU and not melt your reclaimer
@@ramonebrown5704 oh dont you worry, ive had the reclaimer for years, im never getting rid of it, honestly one of the best ships i've ever had.
As cool as this ship is, I am not giving up on my 7 big specialized multicrewed ships that make up my resource extraction, refining and engineering services ships. I am still waiting for CIG to release a flying refinery ship to complete my supply chain.
I was hoping they could make a variant of the reclaimer that would fit that niche
@@bullymaguire8868 Actually, the majority of the rear processing deck interiors are intentionally left empty of sorting and other post material processing machinery and conveyors. Expect various process machinery to help specialize your Reclaimer be it a parts puller or a post salvage base material sorter. Not sure if this will also include a refinery that would melt high purity scrap back into usable metal stock.
@@ph11p3540 yeah, I just thought it could add some flexibility to the ship. It's one of my favourites and a retrofit could easily fill the gap in mobile refineries
Orion will have an onboard refinery. It's the only one I know of that has been confirmed to include it. I know there were talks of Reclaimer having a limited capability refinery along with the Argo Mole but nothing more has come of it to my knowledge.
Lol, I'm part of an org, so, I don't need to buy any of the big ships, we got guys that already got everything that's ever been sold
I heard during TheAstroPub's 24 hour stream during CitizenCon that this is the "Pickup Truck" of Star Citizen.... Everyone's going to want to know someone with one... but not everyone will want to own one. It's going to be the "Buddy with a pickup". Better to know the guy, than to be that guy.
True lol
It's fine to be that guy. Just need to know how to say no.
I'm excited to be that guy. I melted a few ships that'll be easier to earn in game for this. Guy who will give you a lift across pyro sounds fun to me.
I feel more confident in purchasing JPEGs thanks to your informative vid!
Sorry 😂
There's one image where the bottom turret is perfectly clear. It's the image where the tank is rolling ON from the back of the Liberator (image 2/4 in the slideshow near the bottom of the Liberator Commlink). In the image where you circled in yellow, you were correct that that was the bottom turret.
It is also visible in the holoviewer.
Once ships stop spawning out of thin air, and can only be deployed from where they were last used, it will be necessary to move ships and vehicles between systems, and I can see something like this providing the service. If you have mostly smaller craft in your personal fleet, it could even be your base ship where you keep a group of ships you are using so they can go to distant places together without complication.
My concern is that without additional beds to logout from, the range is farther for the ships and vehicles than the for the crew to pilot them. I would also think even the lowest tier medical would be appropriate being that you will likely go places where self reliance is key. Sure for a large ORGs bringing many ships is realistic, but for smaller groups this may be the only larger ship they can crew. It falls short of the full range platform the marketing suggests.
The marketing is BS. It's only "long-range" compared to the ships it will carry. This is a point-to-point ship ferry that can also be used for landing missions, but no endeavours that take longer than a single session to complete (since you can't log out without a bed). Like all ships, it has been intentionally gimped to force tradeoffs and poor compromises because "one ship shouldn't do everything" (and to 'encourage' backers to spend more for a fleet of ships that will be needed to try out the different kinds of gameplay that they intend to offer).
The most expensive Jpg concept idea for a ship ever conceived.
Edit: it has the feeling of a tool that you need but you know you will rarely use it because of it’s requirements and it’s niche.
EXACTLY!!!
Overall agree with you. This will be an incredibly important ship for anyone who needs to relocate their ships or organization. This is on my org's buying list but in-game.
This seems like it will excel as a space ferry, starting at one end of the system and picking up people wanted to travel to Pyro's jumppoint along the way
I always learn something new watching your videos. Thanks, @SubliminaL!
Have you considered the Liberator as a personal ship staging area? If you have multiple accounts one can be the Liberator pilot that logs in and drops off ships. For a 3 toon multi-boxer this is an awesome platform! Liberator pilot, Scout pilot and ROC Pilot with spare ROCs and a Prospector to switch to for large rocks or mining in space. 400scu for ore means you can hang out on the field longer to bring back more and minimize transit to refinery or market.
Interesting!
I was considering it until you voiced the concern about the number of players to crew it. It would be silly to use this as a home-base if you were running solo, because it would sit undefended while you were mining or on a mission with one of the smaller ships. I think physical inventory is going to inflate the pirate gameplay a ton, and an undefended ship will be destroyed quickly
The last part of the review is probably the most relevant thing when buying ships from CIG. I wish I thought like that before I got a whole fleet my self. Sure im in a large org and the ships will probably get used. But probably not so much by me. And the people that i'm hanging around with in SC basically has their own fleets as well. And we all have like 1 or 2 single player ships, otherwise its large multi crew ships. Good review. I think the liberator had done better if it was abit bigger so you could decide if you should take 1 medium and one small ship, or 3 small ships.
Thanks! Well that's what medium carrier will be for 😁
just to be clear, there are guardrails on each side of the pad at the bottom front. you wont be able to squeeze anything all the way to the sides unless the wings are high enough/fold up high enough to fit
Hearing about the cargo space makes me immediately realize it's industrial potential. Imagine two vultures on the pads, utilizing the 400 scu for scraped material.
I have not read all the comments, but one item that stands out to me is the statement of spawning. This leads me to believe the ship will "store" onto the ship say as a player logs out and can re-spawn when the player logs in.
CCU'd a Genesis Starliner to a Liberator. Once small ships need 20 refuels to get across systems like Pyro, its going to be useful.
Sure, but few are going to want to play the game like that.
Hi Sub, I think CIG made a mistake calling it a Light Carrier. It's more like an Escort Carrier. The role of an Escort Carrier is to provide support for various operations including landings. The primary role of a Light Carrier is to provide escort duty for the main battle carriers with air cover.
I wouldn't call it a mistake. CIG has a naming scheme. (Payload Role) so the liberator is a Light Carrier. The kraken is a heavy carrier. The gladiator is a light bomber. Retaliator Heavy Bomber. Arrow light fighter. Sabre Medium Fighter Warden Heavy Fighter. etc. They aren't trying to mimic real life rather trying to express exactly what the ship is capable of doing in relation to other ships in its class. Light does the least in it's class, heavy does the most and medium is in between.
@@SubliminaLstv I would. It isn't a carrier in the navy sense. It's a "carrier" in the sense that a car carrier "carries cars".
Transport. Ferry. They even reference the LCAC for design decisions(so it IS a transport/ferry).
@@Grimmwoldds I completely agree, but with a few beds and basic medical it really could be so much more of a ship.
@@CaliJoshua Something like a special operations small strike force transport. A few squads, some tanks/apcs, and a few very small scout aircraft(no real capability to strike, just too small).
For that role, you'd just need to fuel the aircraft(they're scouts and could easily just work off the back of a flight 1 Arleigh-Burke equivalent). You'd def need basic medical facilities, because losing trained soldiers becomes expensive very quickly.
@@Grimmwoldds Yes this basic capability would make this ship invaluable and really open up the Verse for a wide range of uses, and give more meaning to vehicles and smaller ships. It doesn't have to excel at it or "Punch Above it's Weight," but these basic capabilities would transform it to make the game really enjoyable for a few friends. I stowed a CCU into my Buyback incase they revamp it, but otherwise I just can't justify it.
One thing is for sure. This ship, when empty, it should fly like an arrow.
The first concept picture you showed had one savage Hornet like ship on it... I counted 4 S3 ballistic gatling's, the two nose turrets, and the ball turret up top...damn, I want one.
this was addressed by the devs, what your seeing is actually 2 ship one with the wings pulled in, inside another with wings out.
As a solo player, this would also serve as a good mobile base, as you can fit a prospector for mining or a Vulture for salvaging, a light and medium fighters for dogfighting, and some ground vehicles. Not to mention that you can use it as a cargo hauler as well and the shields should allow you to have enough time to jump in your fighter and fight off a light/medium fighter that is attacking you.
Basically for a solo player that has invested about 1000 dollars in the game, this is the perfect base as all your ships and vehicles should fit in and allow you to participate in the majority of game loops without wasting time going to space stations.
I love it, and just upgraded to one :)
2 fuel tanks only for show. They better rethink it having dedicated refueling, its silly if it does not have that.
it was originally supposed to be able to refuel ships with the fuel tank, but after a few itterations it lost the functionality. A bit odd to have a carrier that is not capable to actively refuel its fleet tbh.
Sounds like a fun and useful ship, but I agree with you...too hard to fully utilize it for it to be worth spending real money on for me.
Great video as always Sub! I love the look of this ship and I am hoping to pick one up. The carrier/ferry role is one that I have always wanted to play. I am preparing my CCU chain as we speak and hope to make it happen as of IAE! You are welcome to come aboard any time! BTW I am a brand new content creator in SC and just posted my first video today! Its not much but its something to start with!
Nice!
Even as a soloplayer and not really liking the optics the liberator made it onto my "to grind for" list. The only 2 points that have me concerned are the lack of passenger beds for really long term ferrying and that long range ships usually get an industrial quantum drive as stock punishment
I am certainly impressed that it has more under the hood than originally thought as I too thought this was an uninteresting ship but it certainly has some possibility's once we get more systems in with the verse.
While I don't think this will be worth real money purchase as well as its clear this is a utility, mass produced relatively easy to acquire pocket carrier. it's just enough to support a squad of light to medium fighters pretty easily and its simple design is appreciated.
I think the two things that I hate about this ship is the open to space design. it has more than enough space for a fly through internal bay that would be required if you are making hand repairs to your ship. I think its duel focus on land vehicles and ships is a little silly, we have MORE than enough ships that can carry vehicles now, I really don't see this being a great drop ship, your not going to want to land this thing at the front lines.
Second I think the two person crew is a bit...sparse for the size. Realistically to function its going to need more than that. though it is nice to have a low bare minimum crew cost I know many will like the idea of having a few of these for their org just manned by one person to offer support for their ships while pilots or ground forces get the job done.
Still it's more impressive then I thought even if it is over priced. Buy gold, not space ships kids.
i saw the first look at this ship and once i saw the first image i was like study study study scale. once i had a few minutes to think scale i stopped the video to see if i can buy it RIGHT NOW!!!! if it flys like a reclaimer then it will be used on rare occasion if it flys like C2 this might get as much use as my daily driver pretty ships are nice to look at but in space it can be the shape of a ball or brick and preform the same as any ship with dynamics. this ship would be borderline perfect shape of reality. i think if you have a few ships and move often this best in game being 1/3 the cost of kraken and that ship will perform like a reclaimer.
i think if you can only have 1 large ship or budget above 300 this should be your first consideration a size 5 turret right behind the pilots seat??? lol can probably use this ship in ERT missions hahaha
ranger is still my most desired ship i want in game ASAP but the liberator and corsair cant get here soon enough
I am gonna buy even though I probably shouldn't. If you need one in the future for a review just let me know.
Imagine how much more versatile the Liberator could be if cargo netting could be employed in the garage area. I think this ship is going to be awesome for small to mid sized orgs.
That would be cool but it would have like 1500SCU 😂 it would be a better cargo ship than most cargo ships.
and I still don’t understand why CIG doesn’t support this-let players do what they want! Let there be real tradeoffs to it if they want balance.
@@SubliminaLstv I know right!?
Well they will allow cargo in the garages... It the consequence is it won't be strapped down... So it will be just tumbling around the hold ROFL
@@SubliminaLstv Perfect for those martini shipments.
I love you trying to be elegant with “potty break” then proceeded to say “space shitter”
I'm just gonna copy/paste my response to another Liberator video:
This ship is brilliant and I'll tell you why in four words.
Mobile Forward Operating Base.
*Ground assault?* Check. You're bringing 2 vehicles, three fighters, and 16 troopers.
*Secure and hold?* Check. Keep extra weapons and supplies in the armory and ample storage and provide a rallying point for reinforcements.
*Ground-based mining operation with a group of ROCs?* Check. With 400 SCU they can keep running back and forth ALL DAY filling up the generous cargo hold.
*Stripping a large crashed ship?* Check. Park it right next to the wreck and send a group of people in there to strip every component and scrap of valuable metal, plus you got plenty of space to bring a security detail parked right on top.
I'm not 100% sold on the price, but I think this ship will be a staple of orgs who have any interest in surface operations. The only thing it's missing is maybe a Tier 3 hospital bed to stabilize patients and heal minor injuries, which would have been absolutely perfect and made it well worth the cost.
As always, thanks for the great work!
Yup, the price was the no-go point for me, and I had had thoughts of running a transporter ship as a possible revenue source also.
Omg could you imagine coming up to this ship and fucking 30 arrows start swarming out like fucking Independence Day or something hahahah
I suspect like med-bay tiers, if this ship ever gets modularity (and frankly I hope all ships do to some degree allow customizations) they won't allow anything as advanced as the Crucible since it is another Anvil ship, that would render it less specialized. Though I know with the Crucible, it's got the ability to move and attach/detach different modules and also work on larger ships so there is added functionality to it anyway. I'd want some capability for minor repairs on ships like the Liberator though, 100% :) maybe it specializes in fully repairing land vehicles to set it apart? Would be cool to see that on an M2 as well in the future.
A nice informative video, well done.
I just got one. I will park a vangaurd, an eclipse, a pieces and an arrow up top. Ballista, tank and cyclone and quad in side. Perfect low man count man bounty hunting platform in pyro.
so many cool ships are yet to be released
I think it's ships like this that will open up the game for most players. There's nothing wrong with staying mostly in one system and running that, but a ship like this will let us stretch our legs with a few options ready to go for our style, anywhere we go.
and it even comes with 3 bathrooms because one or two appariently werent enough. Jokes aside this is probably a very good option for a mobile base of operation for a lot of different professions. Certainly more versatile (even though arguably a lot uglier) than the C2/M2 Hercules when it comes to that since you sacrifice a little (multipurpose) cargospace in excange for seperate dedicated cargo and vehicle bays as well as the landing pads.
It’s certainly going to be amusing when all these ships that require a decent sized crew finally are introduced with full features. There’s going to be thousands of half manned ships.
thats why there will be ai crew and server blades for automation of turrets. That said, I doubt we will ever see a fully crewed Idris or Javelin, considering they require (more than) an entire Server to be fully crewed.
The whole philosophy for multi-crew ships is poorly thought out. By the time that this game is released, many backers that originally pledged in high school will be too busy with work, families, and other real life to be able to schedule regular play sessions with enough people at the same time to man the ships. I don't see hired NPCs as ever coming close enough for some roles.
@@benjwgarner on top of that I doubt that you will find people to do some odd jobs like engineering and sitting at a panel all day rerouting energy etc.
To me its the ship with the biggest value and the price is justified. You can do it all with that ship: piracy, salvaging, mining, ground attacks, travel alongside cargo ships to protect them with small fighters, transport ships from a to b for whatever reason (racing, combat, mining, etc), transport cargo yourself while moving your ships from a to b, traveling alongside a dedicated explorer to get more ground vehicles on the surface, disable and steal ships with its tractor beam...
This is the ship that can do it all expect being a combat ship on its own.
My dream ship would be a 300m Anvil capital ship that look like a battleship with 2 or 3 enormous turret having 3 canons each on the middle top of the ship to destroy big target and plenty of smaller turret to take care of smaller fighters, with the possibility to carry small fighters, having a medbay, a prison, a bit of strorage space to fit my carreer as a bounty hunter with my friends
Best and most comprehensive take on this ship sofar. The pictures blown up showed me a scale I couldn't even see before. I didn't see the catwalks...dats a big ship.
I'm already locked into the lib, just have to complete the ccu from the C2. I will wait just a little longer until 3.15 fully hits ,since loaners don't work in the ptu.
There are probably more options with a ship of this size than other huge cap/sub caps with such a small crew complement. Even a large crew of people with imagination and ..nova tanks/balis you could make your own fun.
The big restriction I see is the clearance larger size ships will have with those huge thrusters.
Either way just as a mobile prospector base / mobile camp, I'd be happy.
Thanks!
I’ll be too busy running inventory between R&Rs to move ships around to have one of these.
It’s a neat idea/ship but since I normally play alone or with two other people, it seems I don’t need it. Maybe with aUEC.
Agreed!
At first presentation of this ship my thoughts on it was……Meh. Then as I thought about it, it is a remarkably useful ship. Orgs will need it. A solo player can be a ship taxi in larger systems (when and if we see them). I won’t be buying it real money or in game as a solo player, but groups definitely can utilize this.
it's like the perfect little base of operations for small mercenary operations. Like imagine if you there was a convoy hauling stuff, one of these loaded with fighters would be a great defense against pirates. Or miners might want to hire one. Cool to think about
Nice points!
Thanks!
I'm wondering if 'effective' carrying capacity will have meaning vs. maximum carrying capacity.
In essence, what you can fit on the craft effectively is determined by how accessible hand-based rearming, repairing, and refueling will be. If you can have 15 arrows on the pad, will they all be serviceable? How easily will you be able to get in and scramble? Will it be a huge pain in the ass?
All of this will need to be worked out in practice, I guess, whenever the ship comes out.
The real value is in the low crew requirements for such a large vessel with such a huge amount of carrying capacity, freeing up other crew members for scrambling or other tasks. Just don't expect it to do any hot drops.
I really like the Liberator, but it's price feels a little out of my range so I'll be working towards one in game when it gets here.
Buy one and be the galactic equivalent of 'white van man'.
Great review!
Great work.
I am curious if the upper pads will allow a Prospector and an Expanse to be docked, making the Liberator into a mobile Mining and Refining Station, using the cargo hold to collect the refined ore.
I'm still kicking around a reshuffle of my fleet. I'm at the point where I already felt like I've spent to much so I'm not buying anything else so to grab a liberator I would have to melt a few. I was planning on doing a full melt and trying to grab a Kraken but this seems like a much better choice if I'm honest. I'm just not sure about the shuffle. The only thing I know I want to do this Nov is melt my Cutty B. Why? Because I honestly think the ship is not that great and hate the direction they took with its rework back in the day. I'll wait for a aegis or crusader analog or just not have a ship like it. This ship seems interesting. Honestly for what it does an what it has I can see it being a great home away from home ship. I already however have a m2. I definitely don't plan on having both.
What dont you like about the cutlass?
Genuine question, im just curious
Liberator looks right out of star wars imho :o
My thought is I did not hear you say crew beds pilots need to sleep and when the new systems come online logging out in your ship is going to become more important
Funny how I went to enter for the 400i on the 30 of OCT 2021 @ 2300 PST and that giveaway is no longer going on.
There is a redeemer/joystick mounts giveaway up now!!! 😁
@@SubliminaLstv I entered that one I want to also enter the 400i giveaway as I like a chance to get one with lti
i keep hearing about how it can transport others. that being the case can you secure one lift. this would let the cockpit stay secure and stop pirates from steeling the ship
Great vid ty
Thanks for watching!
Large orgs are gonna need a lot of these (and they'll die often i imagine). So if one is an org player i think they shouldn't worry about this ship not being needed.
I have an M2, and am considering making the CCU to one of these
Worth it. Only had one as a taxi for my tank. Now it's a taxi for a lot more lol
You will get an M2 as a loaner.
1:30 im assuming he meant the same space as the 2 extra small pads on top?
Yes, and this is speculation.
Thank you for clarifying.
Why won’t cargo not mag-secured when vehicles would be?
Vehicles are secured by the gravity generator. Cargo is the only thing secured by magnets. Heavy items like vehicles don't need to mag secured.
It's an arbitrary choice to prevent obsoleting cargo ships.
100%
Until we get the Idris in players hands, I will use the Liberator for flight ops. Who knows once down the pipeline certain tweaks are made to its details but as a mothership it works.
wonder what the in game price is going to be. hmm north of 20 million I would guess
I'm hoping for vertical missle tubes so it can engage ariel targets whilst landed.
Drops out of hyperspace with 10 arrows on it, immediately cops torpedoes from every Tali in the battle
This is the end ship that I want in my fleet. It is so pricey though.
I really love the Liberator but my favorite fighters are the Vanguard and Ares which wont fit so its definitely a pass for me. Also because im sure my org will have a handful of them already anyways
the PD turrets have one gun each
Time to rp as the bebop
If it goes on sale i might buy it, but definitely wont with its base price tag, i'd rather spend on the BMM for that price range.
Doesn’t matters how many Arrows you can fit in it, the magnetic grids are 2+1 (outside).
There rest is gonna move around during any travel or manurers.
Those kind of tricks are gonna works only on alpha stage where the magnetic grids are not yet implemented 🤷🏻♂️
I really don’t know why people still struggle to fit more than appropriate number of ship everywhere 🤦🏻♂️
I would like to see the source you got that info from.
as long as one leg is secured to a magnetic pad there should not be much movement at all. Besides, even if they are not magnetically locked they still won't move unless there are significant g-forces involved, for which the liberator is too sluggish to pull off. Unless you plan to do a barrelroll in atmosphere this is not going to be an issue.
That is not true. You should have continued watching the video. They literally answers this question in the Q&A and I read it during the video...
It's not about magnets it's about the gravity generator. Magnets only play into how cargo is secured.
@@SubliminaLstv same point and even worst, the gravity generator it's gonna capture only some amount of mass on those platform. And 3 ship against 10 smaller ships doesn't have the same mass. It will never happen to see for example an Idris with 20 small fighter inside instead of 3 large.
Otherwise why release a loading ships capacity on those ships ? Idris, Javelin, Carrack, Kraken, 890j (big hangar), Liberator...
CIG should just say " how many ship you can fit depending of the size you choose" but they didn't because it's not like that and will never be.
The states ONLY the num. of ship you can carry and the size... this means it's likely that CIG will decide that the landing pad size has mass/type limits as well as dimension limits.
We all aim to have a MMO simulation game not an arcade game where everyone can do whatever they want. lol
@@dmdr3168
Find me where CIG states: "on those pads or hangars (Kraken, Idris, Liberator, 890J, Javelin, Carrack)
you can fit how many ship you want depending on the size you choose"...
Never !!
The states ONLY the num. of ship you can carry and the size... this means it's likely that CIG will decide that the landing pad size has mass/type limits as well as dimension limits.
This is a fact.
i see value in ships different than CIG when i saw the steel was over 200 and the other greedy cash grabs i would assume the liberator would have been priced over 3000 if you scale the validity to the steel... to me the steel has way more hinderance or useless compared to black so i would priced steel at 80 dollars... but the most no brainer ship you can buy is the endeavor if you dont own this ship its because your budget is aurora. i think if you can afford this ship but dont have it your under ratting this ship and you might not be so bright....
The steel is laughably priced. Completely tone deaf.
Good vid
This ship really sounds like an org ship, not a personal one.
Agreed
well, you could actually offer shuttle service through the much larger pyro system for pilots with smaller crafts to make a profession out of it. The system is not only going to be much larger but there are a lot fewer refueling opertunities.
@@BizzMRK Pyro doesn't exist yet and ship insurance won't apply there it seems. Plus, how long would I had to wait until I enough customers to make the trip? Would the first ones be willing to wait for the last ones? I don't see that happening.
@@MarceloMeireles No ship insurance and no small ships: definitely the right choice to work on as the second system for a game where systems take years to create.
@@MarceloMeireles Tbh, it will be rare that this ship would be in danger if it acts as a taxi. Just park in orbit and let the small ship go, and they won't have a way out without your ship and if they refuse to pay, you can inform others not to bother with them. I can see it working.
Can you fit a Prowler on the Liberator?
I've got a Heartseeker and a Talon Shrike (and a Scorpius on order). Do any of those fit on this?
All of them will.
@@SubliminaLstv Thanks, man. Watched your jumptown video earlier tonight. Had me in stitches laughing. Great stuff.
CIG what are you doing? why no medbay.
shouldn't categorize as carrier, transporter yes
but it literaly is a light carrier by definition.
CIG has a naming scheme to ensure players understand a ships role in relation to other ships in that role. (Payload Role) so the liberator is a light carrier and the kraken is a heavy carrier. The arrow is a light fighter, the sabre a medium fighter, and the warden is a heavy fighter. It has nothing to do with real life, this is a videogame.
It’ll be interesting to see how many ships / vehicles can be carried once weight becomes an issue. Can’t wait to see us all struggling to break atmosphere and throwing stuff out of the window to achieve it 😂
considering it can dock there is no need to do atmospheric flight while fully loaded. You could also deploy the fighters outside of atmosphere or load them up after existing it.
I don't know why you people insist on calling this a carrier. It is a blast boat or landing craft. Not a carrier. In fact there in one almost exactly like this in the Star Wars universe.
You are just defining a carrier differently. It definitely fits the literal definition.
Because CIG calls it a "carrier".
they underestimate my stacking prowess..... you think im going to stop at 15 arrows?....fools.....
Can this fit X2 prospectors and/or x1 prospector + x1 expanse? That is the question..🤔
They said in the QA (also part of the video in case you missed it) that the Prospector fits on the XS pads and from testing around with the 3d models it should also fit the Expanse, but remember that sizes and shapes of these ships (aside from the Prospector of course) can still change before they are released.
Are these jpg's NFT's?
No lol 🤣. Although some ships for example were bought at $250 and I expect to be worth $750 within a year. They do appreciate and it's possible to sell them ONCE. But calling it an NFT would be criminal.
I wonder how long till we see this in the PU. Wondering if I should get it or not.
Probably not for another year
@@SubliminaLstv I see, I think I can afford the wait.
If you’re still replying do you have any idea or guess until the Corsair also becomes available? I dig that ship and I’m eagerly awaiting for it.
@@michaelbeleut6480 check the progress tracker. It's the only way to know the "when" questions
I would buy one but, I refuse to because it takes 4 years to release. Homie don't play dat !
If you have the good ccus it's not a 500 dollar ship
Space LST?
Huh? Oh I googled it.
No that would be the Hercules
I don't think its very good overall.
And its only *the first of its kind* CIG said.
*Perfect to just wait for subsequent improved models*
The Prospector won't fit on the Liberator? Yes you can land it but you can't go anywhere with it?
Why can't you go anywhere with it?
@@SubliminaLstv It fits 2 x XXS and 1 x XS. The Prospector is a size S. So the prospectors won't stay on the hangar deck if you initiate QT or go through JP. From the Q & A:
Q: -"Can the Liberator transport one big ship on both its upper decks providing the latter can touch down with all of its landing gear?"
A: -"Officially, this won’t be supported as large ships won’t be able to spawn there, but what players do after the initial spawn is up to them. So, while they can surely ‘Tetris’ larger ships onto the landing pads, it will likely not be supported as an official method of landing."
Ohhh hold up! So Small is Small...? So Extra Extra Small is still Small? What am I missing here?
Your interpretation of the landing pads is wrong. The liberator has 2 XS landing pads and 1 XXS landing pad. Further more...
What is the largest ship that can be parked in each of the garages, the upper landing pads, and the front landing pad?
The garages and front landing pad can store ground vehicles up to and including the Tumbril Nova and Anvil Ballista, and what we refer to internally as ‘XXS’ ships, which includes the Argo MPUV and Origin 85x.
The upper landing pads support ‘XS’ ships, which includes most single-seat combat ships (Aegis Sabre, Anvil Hornet and Arrow, etc.) and other single-player ships such as the MISC Prospector.
The XXS pads are pads that to my knowledge are only on ships. Watch the citcon vid on the liberator they explain where XXS pads have been used before. That is what is on the front. And the 2 on top are XS small pads. It's dumn I know. They need to revamp the whole naming scheme.
In the garage
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Its pretty terrible..
so the thing with these larger ships that REQUIRE multicrew to even function properly, let alone be effective... you're probably going to want to either have a decently active org, or have a large group of friends who play regularly... but whichever is the case, you could pool the money to actually get it, so instead of 1 person paying $500, its 5 people paying $100, or 10 people paying $50, which doesnt seem nearly as bad.
the issue with THAT tho, is that obviously only 1 person can own it, so until we have more org features in such as the org itself having a bank account and the org itself having ships that anyone in the org can freely use at any time, then ya its not really much of an option... but i think they're gonna add that "eventually(tm)", so hopefully in the future the average player could afford it, so long as they have an org
Or just buy it in game...
@@SubliminaLstv for sure, but its also gonna be hella expensive in game, so the concept still applies :3
Not really, spending three days in game making 3mil aUEC to pool together enough to buy a liberator between you and your 4 org-mates is not the same as spending $500. In 6 days you could get enough to buy 2 Incase the owner isn't online. Also orgs will be able to buy ships themselves in the future. And share them amongst it's members. This is all an estimate of the liberator costing $12mllion it could be more of less.
That would only work with people you know well in real life.The *last* thing I want to do in a video game is deal with buy-ins and buy-outs of real money for a fractional ownership scheme. Who would want to play Club-Owned Airplane Simulator 2030?