In Scandinavia (Sweden included) someone who chops up babies for fun, probably would not be considered a criminal, but rather criminally insane, and likely would be sentenced to a mental institution. Once there, the madman would not be allowed to leave until the doctors deemed them cured. So basically the sentence is open-ended. Potentially they could be let back into the population, but In many of the cases, such people end up serving life sentences.
Yea, many of the "but what about?" don't get lifelong sentences but open ended ones instead. Or they get a "life sentence"(18-35 years depending on country) that can be renewed.
I work in said field you mentioned, yeah no those people and many many more will never be let out into the public. Ive met the worst you can imagine, and its good knowing they will never ever be let out.
i went to an open prison after fighting after i left the forces here in Uk, and yep i could have walked out any time.I worked on the gardens, good meals etc a job all that. But i never got in trouble again, so it worked for me.
One of my relatives was in an open prison for 6 months. He was hunting the wrong time of year. To hunt the wrong animal or the wrong time of the year is considered a crime. A person I used to work with spent a month in prison for drinking and driving. None of these two have had problems to get a job afterwards.
Favour what happens with the death penalty when they accidently convict the wrong person? There are many cases of this. Isn't life in prison a worse punishment?
That's a thing that often needs to be repeated. "Hey, the Netherlands pays for your cancer treatment, how nice of them". That's not a Netherlands thing, that's a "not USA" thing. Many of the good things seen isn't country specific but often EU laws and such.
Yeah. When it comes to drugs. That's like punishing the victim. They should be offered help, not punishment. Open prison I Sweden can be for drug users, or tax evasion and stuff like that. More like teaching them to follow the rules of society. The violent crimes is not usually open prison.
From the late 18th til the first half of the 19th century Alaska was a Russian colony. In 1867 the Russian Empire sold the territory to the US for only 7.2 million $ (today about 130 million $) as the Russians considered it useless. In 1959 it became the 49th state of the US. Don't you learn such things at school in the USA?
I dont know exactly but i believe in the Netherlands (as far as i know) its pretty much the same as well. I think its much better than the us system. Give people a chance to be better. Some people think Dutch prison is too soft but i dont think it is. Yoi should always focus on someone to get out of prison, because he /she will.
Open prisons are mainly for those who either are soon to be free or those who have kids and are considered safe enough so the kids can have a somewhat normal relationship to their parent.
It's never justifiable to murder/execute someone as a punishment. Then you/the state is just as bad as the person committing the crime. Lock them up indefinitely if they still are dangerous? Yes. But murder them? No. Direct self defense or protection of others in the heat of the moment is the only deadly force that is justifiable.
I have a story for you: One of my friends lived with his mom and took care of her since she was sick, once she finally died (he was about 22 at this time), he didn't know where to go, and his dad didn't want anything to do with him, he didn't know what to do with himself, so he decided to rob a bank with a Air-Soft gun, got money and went on to sit at the closest buss stop wearing the same clothes, while waiting for the cops. After 40 minutes the cop hadn't arrived yet, so he decided to get out of the country, a few years later he wrote on Flashback "I robbed this bank a few years back, and got this much money left. Any thoughts on what i should spend it on?" Local authorities picked him up and sent him back to Sweden, where he spend i think 3 years in an open prison. I hear he's out now and doing fine working a regular job. He was never really dangerous, just a guy down on his luck with most stuff in life, who didn't know where to go.
That seems a little bizarre though. I guess ur friend was a sepcial case, but you can't leave perpetrators of serious crimes (like bank robbery) out on the streets (in an "open prison") - that doesn't seem fair to *me,* someone in society who actually *follows* the rules & is careful not to get in trouble. I see very little deterrence to not go out & break the law, if all you're gonna get is a possible upgrade in ur living facilities, afterwards.
@@dyawr Many prisoners repeat the same thing. The robbery of freedom is the nr 1 reason to avoid jail. I don't think people who never went to jail(like me) can really imagine it honestly. I'm an introvert. I didn't mind staying inside during the pandemic but it still annoyed me that I HAD to.
@@dyawr You get assigned the security rating based on you level of threat. It also sounds like that person must have had intellectual / developmental issues. Our general living-conditions are much better outside even if you can't find a job that you don't have to steal or anything as long as you are trying to get a job or if you have a valid medical reason for not being able to get a job.
@@gosesnuff So it's ok locking you up instead... casue you and the killer/terrorist are both people... or are you opposing prison senctences too, for murderers? I recently understood that some people actually are that evil.
@@gosesnuff So that they really know for sure that if they kill some poor innocent guy, either for money, power, of pure pleasure, they will end up in a nice hotel, where the staff treats them with dignity...
if someone innocent is sentenced to life in prison, there is the possibility of giving him retroactive compensation, socially and economically, the death penalty is irreversible, so I am against the death penalty.
My view on the death penalty is that you let a criminal get of easy. Then there is another aspect no citizen should execute another citizen. In Sweden we have life sentence, but 20 years the convict will be reviewed. USA must ban corporation In the prisonsystem.
Exactly the same un Germany. Only mentioning,because Sweden has very few people,always mentioned by 'mericans .you can't compare...you can compare with Germany. 83 mio. Second migration destination after the US.
I always find it funny how many things work for both Luxembourg and Germany. Germany being about 125 times more populous. But then when we compare the US with Germany the things that work in Germany can not possibly work in the US because of size. /facepalm That argument makes no fucking sense.
4:40 _"Prison very quickly became known as 'crime university'."_ Hey, we have the exact same saying in my country! (Romania) I wonder if it came from US culture. 🤔
I know someone who works within the legal/prison system. They've told me that it is *SUCH* a huge difference on how someone is being met. The comparison between a worker who shows respect to an inmate. The pure respect they get back :)
I live in Sweden and my dad was in an open prison here for 2 months, it was a farm and they helped take care of the animals. He loved it. The way it works here is that you go to the prison yourself and report that you wanna start your sentence and then you stay there of your own free will. You can escape obviously but then you have to go back. It is not a crime here to escape from prison because we value freedom so high, you just have to go back and finish your sentence.
Since I know somebydy who´s duaghter got killed by somebody. And followed the crime proses close. The person who killed the duaghter of my friend was sencentenced to a mental institution afterwards. He is though allowed to wisit his famely electronicaly monitord after many years of psycho thereapy. But he is far from well enough to be sent out to start a new life. The victims relatives and famely are always informed beforehand when he has parrole
The US bought Alaska from Russia. To answer your question. Russia needed money and the oil wasn't found yet. Swedish prisoners can vote, they vote in prison.
for people who have done most of their prisontime, they can apply for lower security prison. otherwise is its most low crime sentence like drunk driving, shoplifting etc. open prison is still closed but you have not closed areas as in higher Class prisons. let say you get a 20 year sentence. the last year you can apply for openclass prison. the reason 7s that if you are on a higher security class prison for longer time, you get further away from society and you get institutilized. to make change from prison to a life smother, you do like this. you have 15-20 times higher heavy crimes un usa/ capita so does us- prison system works? no.
Prisons in Sweden keeps the people on the inside updated with the people on the outside. So when they rejoin they are literally picking up from where they left of on the inside. Like a zipper.
As for the Swedish: "Open Prisons"! In these the nonviolent "criminals"/rule breakers/offenders would go! AND as for "Open" - There might not be high walls… BUT Prisoners can NOT come and go as they like! They are monitored and strictly regulated! A friend of mine went to "open prison" - for being a conscientious objector! For refusing to do the mandatory Swedish military service! Which was a thing 30 years ago! SO he was punished for being a PACIFIST!
A co worker of mine, killed to people with a hammer over gambling debt. He will never be free again, his sentence was made with no time limit, because he was considered unpredictable. I am from Denmark.
The main difference is that other countries focus on rehabilitation/resocialization, instead of mere punishment... It is the way way how you understand the society you are living in...
Already the case in Sweden and such. Just instead of a "you get life" it's "you're staying in prison until you're deemed safe to let out". In many cases of course they're well aware that's going to be a "never".
When you say that you are not agree with drug charges because if you dont have money you are in jail and if you have money you are free,doesnt have nothing to do with the punishment,is about coruption.That guy who doesnt do time for drugs he will not be charged with drunk and driving as well,or worst some of them escape with murder.That is corruption
16:40 The drug crimes you were talking about. If it wasn't serious or involving violence - they prob get sent to the 'open prison'. So, on parole 🤔 What do they do with the r@pists though. That's what I'm curious about..
You realize the death penalty doesn’t apply to sexual assault right? And unless they kill the kid child abuse doesn’t count either. So the examples you gave for approving the deaths penalty have nothing to do with the death penalty.
USA bought Alaska, from Russia, in 1867, for 7.2mill $... Sweden, and other countries, sees the punishment, for what u did, as being taken away from family, friends and normal life, but beside that, it should be just as, if u were on the outside... u can cook your own food, go to a store and buy normal things and there's a TV... now, u think that it's a vacation, but in fact, the prison is a lot worse, than what they have on the outside... remember, northern Europe, have a VERY high standard of living, compared to USA, so u see it as better, than the average in USA, but here, it's worse than the average...
Subsequent DNA has proven that many prisoners sentenced to death are/were innocent, if you are for the death penalty you will surely agree to take responsibility for these murders of prisoners and endure the same punishment?
Ok. once again i found out that these youtube-videos seem to be good, but come on, this is far more complicated!!!! And believe me, the hardcore psychopaths get locked away forever...Missing a few facts here...sure there is a biiiig difference on how they treat their citizans, but yeah the story cant be told in a matter of minutes...
The difference between Sweden and the US regarding the criminal system and everything else is in the level of civilization of the population. The Swedish population is at a higher level of civilization and cultural development, which is why there are drastic differences in the way they treat crime.
In Scandinavia (Sweden included) someone who chops up babies for fun, probably would not be considered a criminal, but rather criminally insane, and likely would be sentenced to a mental institution. Once there, the madman would not be allowed to leave until the doctors deemed them cured. So basically the sentence is open-ended. Potentially they could be let back into the population, but In many of the cases, such people end up serving life sentences.
Yea, many of the "but what about?" don't get lifelong sentences but open ended ones instead.
Or they get a "life sentence"(18-35 years depending on country) that can be renewed.
I work in said field you mentioned, yeah no those people and many many more will never be let out into the public. Ive met the worst you can imagine, and its good knowing they will never ever be let out.
i went to an open prison after fighting after i left the forces here in Uk, and yep i could have walked out any time.I worked on the gardens, good meals etc a job all that. But i never got in trouble again, so it worked for me.
One of my relatives was in an open prison for 6 months. He was hunting the wrong time of year. To hunt the wrong animal or the wrong time of the year is considered a crime. A person I used to work with spent a month in prison for drinking and driving. None of these two have had problems to get a job afterwards.
Bc these are minor crimes.
Treat people like animals,guess what happens.
They are treated much better today than 50 or 100 years ago, still the crime is many times higher now than then...
Capital punishment exists only in undeveloped countries, such as USA, Russia, etc.
It still technically exists in the EU as well, but it's reserved exclusively for things like war crimes.
@@SirNobody9765no it doesn’t.
Favour what happens with the death penalty when they accidently convict the wrong person? There are many cases of this. Isn't life in prison a worse punishment?
Love ur profile banner.
This is also true for most European countries not just for Sweden.
That's a thing that often needs to be repeated.
"Hey, the Netherlands pays for your cancer treatment, how nice of them".
That's not a Netherlands thing, that's a "not USA" thing.
Many of the good things seen isn't country specific but often EU laws and such.
Yeah. When it comes to drugs. That's like punishing the victim. They should be offered help, not punishment. Open prison I Sweden can be for drug users, or tax evasion and stuff like that. More like teaching them to follow the rules of society. The violent crimes is not usually open prison.
Open prisons are normal in many European countries. They literally are how they sound. You can "escape" by simply leaving.
From the late 18th til the first half of the 19th century Alaska was a Russian colony.
In 1867 the Russian Empire sold the territory to the US for only 7.2 million $ (today about 130 million $) as the Russians considered it useless.
In 1959 it became the 49th state of the US.
Don't you learn such things at school in the USA?
No they don't teach anything in school and from what i hear they teach literally nothing in the usa
Thxs! Now I don't have to look it up
German prisons are pretty much the same.obviously you don't loose the right to vote.
same here in UK
I dont know exactly but i believe in the Netherlands (as far as i know) its pretty much the same as well. I think its much better than the us system. Give people a chance to be better. Some people think Dutch prison is too soft but i dont think it is. Yoi should always focus on someone to get out of prison, because he /she will.
8:49 The USA bought Alaska (the Alaska Purchase) in 1867 from the Russian Empire. It was part of Russian America (Русская Америка).
Open prisons are mainly for those who either are soon to be free or those who have kids and are considered safe enough so the kids can have a somewhat normal relationship to their parent.
Has nothing to do with kids, its about the crime and time, and how you are rated as a security problem or not.
It's never justifiable to murder/execute someone as a punishment. Then you/the state is just as bad as the person committing the crime. Lock them up indefinitely if they still are dangerous? Yes. But murder them? No. Direct self defense or protection of others in the heat of the moment is the only deadly force that is justifiable.
I have a story for you:
One of my friends lived with his mom and took care of her since she was sick, once she finally died (he was about 22 at this time), he didn't know where to go, and his dad didn't want anything to do with him, he didn't know what to do with himself, so he decided to rob a bank with a Air-Soft gun, got money and went on to sit at the closest buss stop wearing the same clothes, while waiting for the cops.
After 40 minutes the cop hadn't arrived yet, so he decided to get out of the country, a few years later he wrote on Flashback "I robbed this bank a few years back, and got this much money left. Any thoughts on what i should spend it on?" Local authorities picked him up and sent him back to Sweden, where he spend i think 3 years in an open prison.
I hear he's out now and doing fine working a regular job.
He was never really dangerous, just a guy down on his luck with most stuff in life, who didn't know where to go.
That seems a little bizarre though. I guess ur friend was a sepcial case, but you can't leave perpetrators of serious crimes (like bank robbery) out on the streets (in an "open prison") - that doesn't seem fair to *me,* someone in society who actually *follows* the rules & is careful not to get in trouble.
I see very little deterrence to not go out & break the law, if all you're gonna get is a possible upgrade in ur living facilities, afterwards.
@@dyawr Many prisoners repeat the same thing. The robbery of freedom is the nr 1 reason to avoid jail.
I don't think people who never went to jail(like me) can really imagine it honestly.
I'm an introvert. I didn't mind staying inside during the pandemic but it still annoyed me that I HAD to.
@@dyawr You get assigned the security rating based on you level of threat.
It also sounds like that person must have had intellectual / developmental issues.
Our general living-conditions are much better outside even if you can't find a job that you don't have to steal or anything as long as you are trying to get a job or if you have a valid medical reason for not being able to get a job.
@@Londronable Yeah, which is why they should feel like they lost it.
If you have a death penalty then you have advocated for murder. So that would made the state a hypocritical.
So there is no difference killing an innocent person, compared to a murderer...??
@@herrbonk3635No, there is no difference, cause we're all people.
@@gosesnuff So it's ok locking you up instead... casue you and the killer/terrorist are both people... or are you opposing prison senctences too, for murderers? I recently understood that some people actually are that evil.
@@herrbonk3635 I am not opposed to prison, but I do think it should focus on rehabilitation and that inmates should be treated with dignity.
@@gosesnuff So that they really know for sure that if they kill some poor innocent guy, either for money, power, of pure pleasure, they will end up in a nice hotel, where the staff treats them with dignity...
if someone innocent is sentenced to life in prison, there is the possibility of giving him retroactive compensation, socially and economically, the death penalty is irreversible, so I am against the death penalty.
My view on the death penalty is that you let a criminal get of easy.
Then there is another aspect no citizen should execute another citizen.
In Sweden we have life sentence, but 20 years the convict will be reviewed.
USA must ban corporation In the prisonsystem.
Basically in Sweden we dont punish them we try to make them good pepole again
Even murderes are in open prisons.obviously a tiny percentage can't go back to society,but thanks to movies we overestimate the numbers.
That is just dumb, sweety. I wouldn't wanna live in ur country, if that's the case. And you seem pretty arrogant & entitled - just a head's up.
I was born in Sweden 🇸🇪 the other week went to visit a friend who is in Prison in Sweden doing a 15 year stint
Exactly the same un Germany. Only mentioning,because Sweden has very few people,always mentioned by 'mericans .you can't compare...you can compare with Germany. 83 mio. Second migration destination after the US.
I always find it funny how many things work for both Luxembourg and Germany. Germany being about 125 times more populous.
But then when we compare the US with Germany the things that work in Germany can not possibly work in the US because of size. /facepalm
That argument makes no fucking sense.
4:40 _"Prison very quickly became known as 'crime university'."_
Hey, we have the exact same saying in my country! (Romania) I wonder if it came from US culture. 🤔
The story of Alaska is, that US actually bought it from Russia back in 1867 for $7.2 million.
8:46 usa bought the land from russia and still own it to this day
I know someone who works within the legal/prison system.
They've told me that it is *SUCH* a huge difference on how someone is being met.
The comparison between a worker who shows respect to an inmate. The pure respect they get back :)
In Sweden, also.. not anyone can be a prisonguard.
But small weak girls can...
to become a guard in Sweden takes about 4 years
I live in Sweden and my dad was in an open prison here for 2 months, it was a farm and they helped take care of the animals. He loved it. The way it works here is that you go to the prison yourself and report that you wanna start your sentence and then you stay there of your own free will. You can escape obviously but then you have to go back. It is not a crime here to escape from prison because we value freedom so high, you just have to go back and finish your sentence.
Since I know somebydy who´s duaghter got killed by somebody. And followed the crime proses close. The person who killed the duaghter of my friend was sencentenced to a mental institution afterwards. He is though allowed to wisit his famely electronicaly monitord after many years of psycho thereapy. But he is far from well enough to be sent out to start a new life. The victims relatives and famely are always informed beforehand when he has parrole
... and If you are convicted for something you did not do???
Just modern slavery in god's favourite country.
In the UK as you get closer to release you may well be sent to an open prison to begin the process of going back to society.
The US bought Alaska from Russia. To answer your question. Russia needed money and the oil wasn't found yet.
Swedish prisoners can vote, they vote in prison.
for people who have done most of their prisontime, they can apply for lower security prison. otherwise is its most low crime sentence like drunk driving, shoplifting etc. open prison is still closed but you have not closed areas as in higher Class prisons. let say you get a 20 year sentence. the last year you can apply for openclass prison. the reason 7s that if you are on a higher security class prison for longer time, you get further away from society and you get institutilized. to make change from prison to a life smother, you do like this. you have 15-20 times higher heavy crimes un usa/ capita so does us- prison system works? no.
Prisons in Sweden keeps the people on the inside updated with the people on the outside.
So when they rejoin they are literally picking up from where they left of on the inside.
Like a zipper.
Favor, we bought Alaska from Russia in the 1800s.
Russia sold Alaska to America! For about 2 Millions.
You bought Alaska from Russia, like with other states like Louisiana and Florida both bought from France.
You say you are Christians but you think it is OK to take revenge on those who have wronged you!!!
I don't understand that either. Maybe they have a different christianity or something
Sweden never had a serial killer and Thomas Quick didnt kill anyone so ye :)
Im in sweden and its true, sweden prisons are pretty good.
Portugal legalized all drug use and they have now small drug problem's, it seems like legalization solves the problem...
No one like to be a drug addict people only crave for it because its challenging. lol
As for the Swedish: "Open Prisons"!
In these the nonviolent "criminals"/rule breakers/offenders would go!
AND as for "Open" - There might not be high walls… BUT Prisoners can NOT come and go as they like!
They are monitored and strictly regulated!
A friend of mine went to "open prison" - for being a conscientious objector!
For refusing to do the mandatory Swedish military service!
Which was a thing 30 years ago!
SO he was punished for being a PACIFIST!
The United States bought Alaska from The Russians for $5 an acre. In 1867
A co worker of mine, killed to people with a hammer over gambling debt. He will never be free again, his sentence was made with no time limit, because he was considered unpredictable. I am from Denmark.
You believe in the death penalty??? Geeeeez........
Yep!
The main difference is that other countries focus on rehabilitation/resocialization, instead of mere punishment... It is the way way how you understand the society you are living in...
No such thing for really violent people. It's in their DNA.
Because their punishment is lack of freedom. Not to be treated inhuman.
Like an abused animal in a cage.
Alaska was bought from Russia in 1867
Yes whole Life Terms for the most extreme crimes. They should never be released. If no Rehabilitation no release.
Already the case in Sweden and such.
Just instead of a "you get life" it's "you're staying in prison until you're deemed safe to let out". In many cases of course they're well aware that's going to be a "never".
American mindset comes from the old testament. Jesus loved the sinners,said :follow my way.
When you say that you are not agree with drug charges because if you dont have money you are in jail and if you have money you are free,doesnt have nothing to do with the punishment,is about coruption.That guy who doesnt do time for drugs he will not be charged with drunk and driving as well,or worst some of them escape with murder.That is corruption
16:40 The drug crimes you were talking about. If it wasn't serious or involving violence - they prob get sent to the 'open prison'. So, on parole 🤔
What do they do with the r@pists though. That's what I'm curious about..
You realize the death penalty doesn’t apply to sexual assault right? And unless they kill the kid child abuse doesn’t count either. So the examples you gave for approving the deaths penalty have nothing to do with the death penalty.
Look up Alaska Purchase
swedish prisoners can even play videogames
You bought Alaska from the Russians!
USA bought Alaska, from Russia, in 1867, for 7.2mill $... Sweden, and other countries, sees the punishment, for what u did, as being taken away from family, friends and normal life, but beside that, it should be just as, if u were on the outside... u can cook your own food, go to a store and buy normal things and there's a TV... now, u think that it's a vacation, but in fact, the prison is a lot worse, than what they have on the outside... remember, northern Europe, have a VERY high standard of living, compared to USA, so u see it as better, than the average in USA, but here, it's worse than the average...
04:56 - Hahaha
Subsequent DNA has proven that many prisoners sentenced to death are/were innocent, if you are for the death penalty you will surely agree to take responsibility for these murders of prisoners and endure the same punishment?
In 2006 guards in sweden forgot to lock the prisons
And that was bad right they must have escaped right no
The prisoners baked stuff
us bought alaska from russia i heard
The Russians centuries ago conquered & occupied Alaska. Later they sold it to the USA.
Do something Finland-related
Ok. once again i found out that these youtube-videos seem to be good, but come on, this is far more complicated!!!! And believe me, the hardcore psychopaths get locked away forever...Missing a few facts here...sure there is a biiiig difference on how they treat their citizans, but yeah the story cant be told in a matter of minutes...
It is not exactly like that
Why do you so often not finish the videos!?
you are living the dystopian dream you need to sort yourself out.
The difference between Sweden and the US regarding the criminal system and everything else is in the level of civilization of the population. The Swedish population is at a higher level of civilization and cultural development, which is why there are drastic differences in the way they treat crime.
What a smug b*llsh*t.
I believe in the death penalty but not how we are doing it now. Takes way to long and cost to much.
God is a man made consept, it´s a control thing. Power over the masses.
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