A Navigation error landed weapon 4 mi (6.4 km) off aim point (Namu), negated effects data gathering and placing unprotected military personnel facing the blast they had been arranged to have their backs to. The air force identified the test technician that disclosed the miss as Airman First Class Jackson H. Kilgore, for which he was reprimanded. Effects test, but also an international political statement about readiness to drop thermonuclear weapons.
I'm not certain he did this one but the actor Ray Walston read many of these scripts; it's wild to consider that the same man who played the gardener Boothby (on Trek) had exceptionally high security clearance.
I would guess they're still being debriefed by the commander of the task force. Ideal conditions...radio direction...1900 feet off target...missed the whole damn island...etc.
What interest me in the arguments people get into on this site is that everyone mentions the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but how no one mentions Operation Meeting House which was the most destructive single bombing of in history. It was a fire bombing of Tokyo on the night of March 9th 1945. That one single night burned out 25% of the city and killed 100000 people during that single night and such bombing raids had been going on almost weekly since November 1944. And Japan still refused to surrender for another 6 months.
+KPPMt1n7 It has been intentional,conscious act murder over 150 000 people.U$A created situation to attack.Pure provocation.They want to test both A-BOMBS on alived people.Pure cruelty,genocide.
+KPPMt1n7 The bombing of Dresden, Germany, was especially gruesome as well. The strafing of civilians in the days afterward crossed the line in my opinion. Few Americans even know of this taking place since they, and this happens in all nations, are being told a sanitized version of events.
It's all about the drama factor. In 2001, did anyone even notice that more Americans were killed each *month* in auto accidents than in the September 11 attacks?
20:36 "and results indicate that climatic conditions and thermal pulse characteristics at some exposure stations reduce the radiant exposure below the threshold necessary to produce cornea-retinal burns. Both the first and second peak irradiances may produce cornea-retinal burns and blink reflex is not fast enough to protect the eye. Data obtained should be of value in the development of eye protective devices". Yes, those are called black googles used in every single nuclear test used prior in order to protect the eyes. Very productive test results indeed... It's like trying to conduct an experiment on a fly to see if it can fly without wings once you cut off the wings, and pretending you don't know the end result. Why he didn't just said "we used the poor animals to measure a radiological effects over distance and eventual psychological effects if we cared enough".
Your father must have been a good age? I'm sorry for your loss. The "bones in his arms" experience is fairly common amongst veterans however as the eyes can only see visible light it is safe to say that it was merely the intense visible light component of the detonation, as that was sufficient to penetrate his arm skin. It is like turning up the dial on the - looking at the sun with your eye lids deployed effect - you see red instead of black.Same goes for the web of your fingers.
They did not know the extent to which different strength (yield) devices could do what at what altitudes, etc. Testing and experimentation brings knowledge which we now consider common knowledge.
They knew enough by the 50s . It was standard practice to keep observers at a certain distance and turned away from the blasts .They knew about fallout affects Declassified documents involving the Atomic Energy Commission and Dept of Defense showed they tried to hide a lot of information . The AEC was involved in a lot of secret experimentation on civilians and servicemen with plutonium , radioactive iodine and radiation all without the knowledge of their test subjects . Its one of the reasons the AEC was abolished by Congress in 1975 . My father participated in Operation Redwing , so I grew up pro military . Government agencies are another matter . They did unconscionable things , especially during the cold war era
@Dave Micolichek it continued well into the 1960s .There was a lot of coverup going on with the atomic energy department .That's why there were hearings in the 1970s and it was disbanded . In the 1990s ,the government compensated veterans who were exposed to high doses of radiation from fallout . Again ,the knowledge was there in the 1950s about the dangers of radiation .Claiming ignorance is a lame excuse
I would like to know what the name and type of test was on the island in the south of Bikini Atoll. I can't quite read the name of it. It looks like a surface shot and current maps of the Atoll seem to have a fairly large crater at that spot.
+Rick Hobson Are you thinking of the Bravo shot? I think I know which island you're talking about, the island is now just a cresent shape above ground & a massive crater. If we're thinking of the same I don't think that was Bravo. I know it wasn't the Mike shot for sure. .
During Operation Redwing in 1956, the only S Bikini shot was Zuni, a scaled-down, three-stage prototype Mk-41, the first three-stage design ever fired. Others were the 1958 Operation Hardtack I (Pacific Proving Ground, while II was in Nevada): Nutmeg and Juniper barge shots, possible W-47 thermonuclear warhead fission candidate primaries tests. They were all fired on Eninmen Island.
Watching these is fun, especially seeing how over time we (US) were able to increase the yield to over 20 megatons, while the USSR pushed past 50 megatons. The the SALT I and II treaties set yield limits and set stockpile size limits...but the treaties and limits are off now, either expired or cancelled YAY! Good thing we don't have to worry about our politicians trying to monopolize worldwide petroleum distribution in the west. As long as we're poking the bear with a pointy but thin stick we might as well let China know that Taiwan is a member of NATO and we're giving Taiwan subs, Polaris and Patriot missiles for defense of our factories...err I meant Taiwan industry.
19:20 The use of animals for testing was something that really disturbed me, even though I realize these tests were necessary. Even so, it was very difficult to watch.
Their number of animals killed (quickly) in atomic testing doesn't even compare to the number who live entire lives in captivity on factory farms so we can eat them.
the b-52 has definitely aged better than I have. it looks and performs as well today as it did in ww2, 81 years ago! if it ain't broke don't fix it. at last SOMETHING worth my tax dollars. although not shown in this film my all time favorite multi purpose aircraft has to be the c-130. there's talk in the Pentagon about scraping that plane. I hope they don't; BIG mistake. enjoy these declassified films greatly as do my great-grandchildren who view them as part of their home school history classes. they've acted to strengthen the bond between the generations of our family. keep up this fine work!
@LordGilgamesh01 I have to say, if you obliterate a country and give it's remaining generations a barren wasteland you still have too much destruction.
@mlb0226 because they aren't thinking of doing it to just kill. THey are thinking of using it as doomsday weapon that would end a war immediately. In other words, save more lives in the process rather than having a long drawn out war with many more casualties and further destruction.
@LordGilgamesh01 why dont you look up the rape of nanking, unit 731, or the bataan death march and see if you still feel bad. they dont want to deal with those historical realities because the japanese dont want to.
@LordGilgamesh01 no, youre not right. i was addressing what you said about not liking us using nukes on japan, not the logistics of an invasion of the mainland. dont know how much more simple i can make that. or maybe youre not that intelligent, Mr. "historian youtube genius".
Arguing the validity of these tests from an ethical or tactical standpoint is pointless -They happened. What amazes me is we have signed a treaty to not build any more when the US couldn't even detect the North Korean nuke program. Do we really think we can detect the continued (or not) programs in countries the size of Russia and China? Good Luck.
Detection of a bomb making program is hard, until the people who build it lights one off. The test ban treaties don't cover the manufacture of nuclear weapons but the testing.
@mlb0226 DO you realize that Nagasaki and Hiroshima are still inhabited. The radiation is in low amounts today and it is not a wasteland. But I do feel you. Believe me, I don't condone nukes and I don't like the thought we used a nuke on Japan in WWII. I have to deal with that historical reality as an American. We are demonized for it, but there has been research done for other options and the planned invasion was deamed by the command that more would have died, which would leave destruction.
@LordGilgamesh01 ah well i tried. i guess it is hard trying to get through to mentally handicapped people. although you might be too mad to type, let alone see straight. i noticed that you went as far to leave me a message on my profile, too! a lot of people say "LOL" on the interwebz when theyre trying to convey laughter, but i ACTUALLY laughed out loud when you did that, sooooo LOL!@
@antesignani Okay. I already know about those things man. And what are you trying to tell me, that I'm right. I said we didn't invade the island in WWII because it would have killed more people. Read a book. I'm literally a historian, it is my rightful title, so I'm not gonna take a lecture from some youtube guy. So don't send me a message again unless it makes sense and you are trying to prove something I don't already know.
Really good notes on the video. Good thing these films are being digitized before the originals deteriorate any farther.
That is very true these films are amazing pieces of history
A Navigation error landed weapon 4 mi (6.4 km) off aim point (Namu), negated effects data gathering and placing unprotected military personnel facing the blast they had been arranged to have their backs to. The air force identified the test technician that disclosed the miss as Airman First Class Jackson H. Kilgore, for which he was reprimanded. Effects test, but also an international political statement about readiness to drop thermonuclear weapons.
I'm not certain he did this one but the actor Ray Walston read many of these scripts; it's wild to consider that the same man who played the gardener Boothby (on Trek) had exceptionally high security clearance.
You know the entire bomber crew on the Cherokee drop got their asses chewed right off when they landed.
I would guess they're still being debriefed by the commander of the task force. Ideal conditions...radio direction...1900 feet off target...missed the whole damn island...etc.
Fascinating stuff. I'm reading The Effects of Nuclear Weapons (1957 edition) and it's these tests that made our understanding of the effects possible.
What interest me in the arguments people get into on this site is that everyone mentions the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but how no one mentions Operation Meeting House which was the most destructive single bombing of in history. It was a fire bombing of Tokyo on the night of March 9th 1945. That one single night burned out 25% of the city and killed 100000 people during that single night and such bombing raids had been going on almost weekly since November 1944. And Japan still refused to surrender for another 6 months.
+KPPMt1n7 It has been intentional,conscious act murder over 150 000 people.U$A created situation to attack.Pure provocation.They want to test both A-BOMBS on alived people.Pure cruelty,genocide.
+KPPMt1n7 The bombing of Dresden, Germany, was especially gruesome as well. The strafing of civilians in the days afterward crossed the line in my opinion. Few Americans even know of this taking place since they, and this happens in all nations, are being told a sanitized version of events.
It's all about the drama factor. In 2001, did anyone even notice that more Americans were killed each *month* in auto accidents than in the September 11 attacks?
@@MrGordonLiddy The Dresden bombing is quite well known, and very well documented.
@@dawidkrzyzowy2725 No, the nuclear bombings were not intended as 'tests' on live people. Stop the new age propaganda.
@antesignani we had a good laugh over this conversation this morning. thanks for the entertainment.
19:26 - 20:58 is one of the sickest things I have ever seen.
poor macaws and rabbits
20:36 "and results indicate that climatic conditions and thermal pulse characteristics at some exposure stations reduce the radiant exposure below the threshold necessary to produce cornea-retinal burns. Both the first and second peak irradiances may produce cornea-retinal burns and blink reflex is not fast enough to protect the eye. Data obtained should be of value in the development of eye protective devices".
Yes, those are called black googles used in every single nuclear test used prior in order to protect the eyes. Very productive test results indeed... It's like trying to conduct an experiment on a fly to see if it can fly without wings once you cut off the wings, and pretending you don't know the end result.
Why he didn't just said "we used the poor animals to measure a radiological effects over distance and eventual psychological effects if we cared enough".
Your father must have been a good age? I'm sorry for your loss. The "bones in his arms" experience is fairly common amongst veterans however as the eyes can only see visible light it is safe to say that it was merely the intense visible light component of the detonation, as that was sufficient to penetrate his arm skin. It is like turning up the dial on the - looking at the sun with your eye lids deployed effect - you see red instead of black.Same goes for the web of your fingers.
They did not know the extent to which different strength (yield) devices could do what at what altitudes, etc. Testing and experimentation brings knowledge which we now consider common knowledge.
They knew enough by the 50s . It was standard practice to keep observers at a certain distance and turned away from the blasts .They knew about fallout affects
Declassified documents involving the Atomic Energy Commission and Dept of Defense showed they tried to hide a lot of information .
The AEC was involved in a lot of secret experimentation on civilians and servicemen with plutonium , radioactive iodine and radiation all without the knowledge of their test subjects . Its one of the reasons the AEC was abolished by Congress in 1975 .
My father participated in Operation Redwing , so I grew up pro military . Government agencies are another matter . They did unconscionable things , especially during the cold war era
@Dave Micolichek it continued well into the 1960s .There was a lot of coverup going on with the atomic energy department .That's why there were hearings in the 1970s and it was disbanded .
In the 1990s ,the government compensated veterans who were exposed to high doses of radiation from fallout .
Again ,the knowledge was there in the 1950s about the dangers of radiation .Claiming ignorance is a lame excuse
@LordGilgamesh01 we had a good laugh over this conversation last night. thanks for the entertainment.
I would like to know what the name and type of test was on the island in the south of Bikini Atoll. I can't quite read the name of it. It looks like a surface shot and current maps of the Atoll seem to have a fairly large crater at that spot.
+Rick Hobson Are you thinking of the Bravo shot? I think I know which island you're talking about, the island is now just a cresent shape above ground & a massive crater. If we're thinking of the same I don't think that was Bravo. I know it wasn't the Mike shot for sure. .
During Operation Redwing in 1956, the only S Bikini shot was Zuni, a scaled-down, three-stage prototype Mk-41, the first three-stage design ever fired. Others were the 1958 Operation Hardtack I (Pacific Proving Ground, while II was in Nevada): Nutmeg and Juniper barge shots, possible W-47 thermonuclear warhead fission candidate primaries tests. They were all fired on Eninmen Island.
Classified parts removed in 1997 ... Wtf was still classified by then
I think this guy narrated every US Gov documentary ever....😅
my dad was involved with cherokee.
Watching these is fun, especially seeing how over time we (US) were able to increase the yield to over 20 megatons, while the USSR pushed past 50 megatons. The the SALT I and II treaties set yield limits and set stockpile size limits...but the treaties and limits are off now, either expired or cancelled YAY!
Good thing we don't have to worry about our politicians trying to monopolize worldwide petroleum distribution in the west. As long as we're poking the bear with a pointy but thin stick we might as well let China know that Taiwan is a member of NATO and we're giving Taiwan subs, Polaris and Patriot missiles for defense of our factories...err I meant Taiwan industry.
19:20 The use of animals for testing was something that really disturbed me, even though I realize these tests were necessary. Even so, it was very difficult to watch.
Their number of animals killed (quickly) in atomic testing doesn't even compare to the number who live entire lives in captivity on factory farms so we can eat them.
@mad ass And they're whole life is cared for.
Could have used some death row inmates and pedophiles.
All the knowledge was available already .It was call Hiroshima and Nagasaki
@@lindaeasley4336 Not really. They needed real time data.
I'd love to see an unredacted copy of this film.
I hate reactions.
@@R.U.1.2. That should've ben "Unredacted", bloody autocorrect.
@@nicholasmaude6906 I know, it was a minor joke.
I think the SS Minnow was somewhere near here...better get the girls to get on the bike and generate electricity!!!
I wonder if the Soviets did as much testing and experimentation as we did.
Oh yes. They had as active a testing programme as we did. All inland shots.
yes, for sure
the b-52 has definitely aged better than I have. it looks and performs as well today as it did in ww2, 81 years ago! if it ain't broke don't fix it. at last SOMETHING worth my tax dollars. although not shown in this film my all time favorite multi purpose aircraft has to be the c-130. there's talk in the Pentagon about scraping that plane. I hope they don't; BIG mistake. enjoy these declassified films greatly as do my great-grandchildren who view them as part of their home school history classes. they've acted to strengthen the bond between the generations of our family. keep up this fine work!
The United States government did not recognize that radiation sickness was an after effect of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs until 1958.
Are there any of these early B-52 pilots that have dropped an atomic bomb, during the testing days, still alive?
Can anyone identify the radio man on the Estes?
I don't know about radio man but my father was the only Army guy on Estes working in signal corps.
@LordGilgamesh01 I have to say, if you obliterate a country and give it's remaining generations a barren wasteland you still have too much destruction.
Some yield range;
Interesting only few experiments were analyzed according to the commentary ;-) ... probably the voice hides still classified matters.
I get it's science but how could people do such thinks to monkeys and rabbits? People deserve anything they can conceive but animals do not.
@antesignani I see you have a removed comment. Maybe that is where we can't know what you are talking about. Think about it shortstack.
@mlb0226 because they aren't thinking of doing it to just kill. THey are thinking of using it as doomsday weapon that would end a war immediately. In other words, save more lives in the process rather than having a long drawn out war with many more casualties and further destruction.
And another flimsy shack gets blown to bits.
@LordGilgamesh01
why dont you look up the rape of nanking, unit 731, or the bataan death march and see if you still feel bad. they dont want to deal with those historical realities because the japanese dont want to.
@mlb0226 because they aren't thinking of doing it to just kill. THey are thinking of using it as doomsday weapon that would end a war immediately.
Odd philosophy, if everyone has nuclear weapons.
@LordGilgamesh01
no, youre not right. i was addressing what you said about not liking us using nukes on japan, not the logistics of an invasion of the mainland. dont know how much more simple i can make that. or maybe youre not that intelligent, Mr. "historian youtube genius".
Arguing the validity of these tests from an ethical or tactical standpoint is pointless -They happened. What amazes me is we have signed a treaty to not build any more when the US couldn't even detect the North Korean nuke program. Do we really think we can detect the continued (or not) programs in countries the size of Russia and China? Good Luck.
Detection of a bomb making program is hard, until the people who build it lights one off. The test ban treaties don't cover the manufacture of nuclear weapons but the testing.
@mlb0226 DO you realize that Nagasaki and Hiroshima are still inhabited. The radiation is in low amounts today and it is not a wasteland. But I do feel you. Believe me, I don't condone nukes and I don't like the thought we used a nuke on Japan in WWII. I have to deal with that historical reality as an American. We are demonized for it, but there has been research done for other options and the planned invasion was deamed by the command that more would have died, which would leave destruction.
@LordGilgamesh01 ah well i tried. i guess it is hard trying to get through to mentally handicapped people. although you might be too mad to type, let alone see straight. i noticed that you went as far to leave me a message on my profile, too! a lot of people say "LOL" on the interwebz when theyre trying to convey laughter, but i ACTUALLY laughed out loud when you did that, sooooo LOL!@
@antesignani Okay. I already know about those things man. And what are you trying to tell me, that I'm right. I said we didn't invade the island in WWII because it would have killed more people. Read a book. I'm literally a historian, it is my rightful title, so I'm not gonna take a lecture from some youtube guy. So don't send me a message again unless it makes sense and you are trying to prove something I don't already know.
Ludaci
Dad was in Redwing.
So was mine - in the army group .He never talked about it with his kids .I don't think he saw his experience there as something to brag about
Mine too, He and I were just talking about it today.