During phase 1-3 Captain America always gave an iconic speech as to why the world needs the Avengers, why they need to keep to protecting the world and work together. His words inspired you and gave you hope. For me this is what the later phases are missing this sense of inspiration and hope.
That large eternal sticking out the earth would literally effect earths gravity, orbit and almost every aspect of human life for everyone on the planet. It’s literally the only thing the world would be talking about for decades
And it’s a celestial. But since it’s science fiction who says these giants are heavy when they can easily craft black holes to travel for example. Could even be they affect their own mass and weight in the mcu, if you want to take a nerdy solution 😂 And I know what you mean, but in an universe where we had half the population blipped, super powered being jumping around and people going to space like it’s nothing, nobody would act like this would be 9/11
I’m so glad you brought up the lack of follow up on major events. The whole celestial thing from Eternals has been the single biggest issue I’ve had. Like how have they not followed up on that? It’s mind blowing.
The death of Chadwick Boseman has in retrospect been a major setback for the MCU. After Avengers Endgame Black Panther should have been the center of Marvel the same way Robert Downey Jr’s Tony Stark was the first 3 phases.
@@NightwingTV only think I’ve disliked is she hulk. Apart from that I think iron man 3 and Thor 2 are worse then anything they have brought out phase 4 & 5.
Remember tho, The actress who played America Chavez said that Micheal Waldron had to write almost 30 rewrites of doctor strange 2. She also said that Micheal Waldron is an amazing writer, Loki Season 2 and Heels show that, I don’t think it’s the writers themselves who were horrible but more that they were pushed to remake and rework there stories to craft one the studio approves of.
Biggest problems for me as a fairly hardcore fan: 1. Minimal cohesion between stories and lack of "world changing events" actually having any impact 2. Multiverse fumble - completely underutilized and disappointing concept/theme in more ways than I can count 3. Short Disney plus "shows" which lead to lack of a fulfilling story 80% of the time 4. No "face of the mcu" 5. Bad stories and writing - majority of content we've gotten has been disappointing and/or very underwhelming. Endgame was not the end of the mcu but the end of a storyline. The mcu DOES NOT need a reboot, It needs better stories.
The end of the MCU was End game. People went crazy for it, but that movie was kind of a mess and made no real sense narratively. And it set the tone for where things are now.
The major problem is that the MCU got Disneyfied 😅😅, but John articulates what every core fan of the franchise has been saying when debating about the new phase. Thanks John 🎉🎉
@@benm5970 what I'm saying is that Disney caters for kids, for example instead of getting Gorr 'the god butcher' we got Gorr the pedophile and kidnapper . We never saw even 1 god get butchered instead we got kids running around thinking they were Thor😔😔😔. But if you check the comics that story MADE THOR into what he is. I just think Disney doesn't want to cater to comic book fans rather they are trying to make new fans at a risk of us the the geeks.
@@katlehomotsoeneng3933 These are the movies, not the comics, I know we’ve gotten to the point where comic book fans have become so spoiled and entitled that they won’t accept any changes anymore but that’s how it is, when you adapt them into a different medium you change it up to appeal to a different audience
Yeah you you absolutely right but infinity war and endgame did exactly that but they never changed Thanos or his plan. Which is exactly what happens in the comics, and how successful are those movies? Just saying bra...
I totally agree with John that there isn't a sense of "coherence" between the stories. Part of this is that, yes, there aren't consistent rules in how they're presenting the Multi-verse. But worse, this is an inherent problem with having a shared movie universe at all. Because now you have to come up with all kinds of excuses as to why the other superheroes aren't helping out in any given situation (assuming you acknowledge they exist at all). I remember a downright comical scene in Spiderman: Far from Home, in which Nick Fury gives a list of excuses about why the other superheroes are busy. And this isn't just because it's too expensive to pay all the actors to keep appearing (though that's surely a factor). It's because the very fact that they even exist in this world, all at once, means it's pretty implausible that there can be any big villains or supernatural conflicts to begin with. You just have to conveniently forget they exist. Only the people currently on your screen exist. And that takes a suspension of disbelief that wasn't required in the earlier entries.
Got rid of the most popular heroes (Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, T'Challa - RIP Chadwick) and introduced way too many new characters that we can't grow to love because there are way too many all at once, VFX issues, script issues, Thor was really good until Love and Thunder, too many shows that are required to understand the timeline/overall story, and other studios are doing R-rated comic book things that look better and have better stories whereas Disney Marvel is a little too safe.
Phase 3 was just so dang good. We got spoiled with Infinity War, Endgame, Thor Ragnarok Captain America Civil War, and Black Panther. In my opinion we were given gold and now that were getting bronze and silver movies. Its just like eehhh its not as good. Well you can't make number 1 hits forever. I'm confident that Marvel can still make great movies but we might have seen the peak of greatness with Avengers Endgame. - just my opinion
I feel like the MCU is like Star Wars in the sense that people hold the golden age of the franchise (The original trilogy/The infinity saga) to such an astronomically, almost unreal height that for them it’s physically impossible for anything else the franchise puts out to even come close to the golden age stuff
We got used to climax. Civil War, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame in annual succession… and then back to Phase 1 -esque movies. It’s a cycle that’s going to have ebbs and flows due to its nature. But, the over-saturation has emphasized this and lead many to feel that the MCU is dead. I’m not saying I don’t feel that way, bc I do, but the sheer number of Phase 1 quality movies and very little interconnectivity (ie Phase 1 where it’s all expository) feels like a massive downgrade
To add to some of your points - Turns out multiverses seem really difficult to write meaningfully and intentionally, beyond a character standing there statically explaining exposition dialogue that there are multiple worlds, "let's hop into some wacky ones!" etc The perfect (in film) model is Everything Everywhere All At Once - the concept is totally a part of what the movie's story wants to say emotionally. Animation also has a get out that every multiverse can be an interesting new artistic style, definate sense of place, and the reason to be there IS the art style in some ways. I'm not well-versed enough in the comics, but I think what we're finding is just deciding to have a Multiverse phase in film, without thinking through how it's going to be emotional and visually exciting, is surprisingly boring. Instead of an amazing multitude of worlds, without thought to emotion or diversity of aesthetic, it gets same old, same old. Aesthetic sameness - CGI in the hands of Marvel is getting a very decided-upon, set aesthetic, there's lots of blues, lots of grey, theres lots of seen-it-before, mediocre CGI (and that's on Disney, not the creatives) A hegemony of aesthetic has set in for Marvel. It's not surprising, it's boring, and often ugly. It might be time to consider (within reason) SOME practical effects were at all possible. Respect Special Effects/CGI workers - the crunch has to stop, the exploitation has to stop. Against this backdrop, there's a lot of rush going on, there's simply not time to create in a creative medium, or be basically humane to people.
I personally would have made this phase way more underground. What i mean by that is, i would have started with Shang Chi and made the big threat be a war between the hand and the ten rings. Shang Chi Moon Knight ( not the supernatural version) and Blade and Daredevil would have films along with She Hulk. Loki would still have his show but that would help build on things to come way later. Eternals would be a game of thrones style superhero family drama on Disney + with 1hr long eps. I would cultivate them and make them the new faces. War Machine and Captain America still fit well within those parameters too. And thunderbolts still fit well too. Thats just a bit of my “fantasy set up” lol
9:27 - 9:34 Given the Battle of New York, The Snap and other major events during the first three phases. The people of Earth have become so nonchalant and ignore the major events while going about their day, like the people of South Park with the school shootings.
See even in the earlier phases. You point out a serious moment being balanced out by an immediate relief of humor. Even that is too much, if the movie is making me feel sad or serious in a moment. Letting the audience take that in will make the moment seem like so much more. Nothing worse than a ridiculous gag in the middle of a sad scene to ruin it
I agree with your entire list, but I would add a very large problem in Thor. A character we have been so endeared to, and have watched toil and lose so much in such a short period of time in rapid succession.. Yet he continues to bafflingly devolve and regress. He is dumber now, but he ever has been. He has taken loss after loss and has learned so many lessons that are immediately retconned the following film. I like that he is arguably the funniest character, but he had the highest potential of being the new focal point as the identity of the MCU. Now he is an absolute buffoon, who has a backstory that has made no impact on who he is.
Having those core characters was absolutely vital, they could literally spin all kinds of plots and subplots from that. DC could have done that as well if they had stuck with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman
1. That is a a problem but I don't think its as bad as people think 2. Agree 3. Agree 4. I can see why that could be a problem for some but I don't mind stories that don't connect to the greater MCU if done properly 5. Agree 6. Agree 7. Agree and sounds like Marvel knows this and is looking to solve the problem 8. Disagree, the core characters right now are Doctor Strange, Spiderman, Captain America, and possibly Scarlet Witch. The problem is that there are too many projects in between appearances for these characters. Example: I think its been about 18 projects since we last saw Sam Wilson as Cap. 9. idk if this is a major problem 10. Agree
Okay stop watching them then. If everything Marvel does is the same, stop watching it. I think phase 4 is a step down but they are still different stories with different characters.
@@natelundstrum4903 just because I’m tired of them doesn’t mean I’ll stop watching, I love movies and movie commentary so I really watch as many movies as I possible can. But I don’t think everyone feels the same as me, my friend I see all the movies with still thinks marvel movies are cool because of the cgi stuff.
@@garfieldGG Nobody thinks Marvel is cool just because of the "CGI stuff". If the story wasn't good people would not have been interested and invested in it for so long. And they are not the same movie at all. there might be similarities but they aren't the same movie.
For me it doesn’t feel the same in terms of the lack of cohesion of it not feeling like one universe which he mentioned. I like that they’re diving into different genres but it doesn’t feel like they all belong together
The biggest problem is by far too much projetcs. If you have too much projetcs, that creates problems on building up stakes and story If they wanted to make more content you needed to have more time. What is the need for shows like Ms Marvel, She Hulk, Thor 4?
John my wife lives in the Philippines. So she doesnt Have Disney+ so when she saw Dr.Strange she wanted to know who these kids are? Why is Peggy Carter now Captain Carter? Who are the 2 new girls in The Marvels? Why is Loki in the post credit scene of Ant-man 3?
Endgame did a 5 year jump to 2023 where nothing progressed and culture stagnated. Here we are in 2023 and the Marvel Universe feels like it hasn't progressed and the movies/shows have stagnated. Interesting...
The problem with Marvel is simple… If something doesn’t take itself seriously, the audience won’t either. And that’s not to say jokes are bad. There’s a difference between incorporating comedy and making your film a joke.
Although their ending was beautiful the absence of Steve and tony is really clear. I don’t think you should even abandon your pillar characters. That’s like DC (if they had their stuff together) getting rid of Batman and Superman after a few JL movies
3:02 with this first point about entry points, I agree and disagree. Once you get so far into any extended universe, homework is bound to just be apart of it all.
Marvel Killed off Cap,Iron Man and Black Panther..haven't made an Avengers film since Endgame and relied on a Multiverse storyline every other studio jumped on at the exact same time
I’m not saying any MCU project after Endgame can’t be a starting point for new viewers, but it looks very difficult to make a film or series as someone’s point compared to the first three phases.
Didn't John did this topic like 4 days ago.. And also a month ago and even a time after ant man and the wasp 3. I mean I know what changes John wants but I think for a content creator. I think we need more different topics than the same that's just my opinion. Not hating... Just... It's repetive. At least he has stop with the Henry cavill superman chances of returning topics
Imagine if they used post credit scenes of the other movies to kind of explain a disney+ tie in series in a nutshell. For example in spiderman NWH a wanda post credit scene that made it pretty clear shes a villain. So people see that wonder whats going on then remember there was something called wanda vision that came out the previous year and maybe watch that.
Not gonna lie but the next core characters shouldve been Strange, T’Challa and Wanda sadly but alot of things happen with “creative differences” with Derrick Scott, pandemic, passing of Chadwick, unconnected Disney+ Series and Movies, and Rick&Morty writers
The problem is that they no longer have a committee of people who stay on top of continuity or force new directors and writers to be on top of previous projects or aware of future projects outlines
Too much content to the point it just feels very repetitive. Same stories just with different actors and characters. Not enough focus is on creative stories, writing and character development. Having said this statement is true of most TV and Movies not just Marvel. Too many businessman deciding on content instead of creatives with a business brain.
How the MCU handled AoS and the Netflix series is 95% how they should have done their Disney+ Shows. the other 5% is just a tad more continuity with the movies and vice versa, and shows and movies with direct tie-ins are super rare. Like maybe Wanda/Vision and Dr Strange: MOM being the only direct connection in the entire phase.
Previous phases used to end with a post credit scene which made you want to see the next MCU movie. Now the movies require pre-work and nothing in the end to make you watch the next project.
Did this guy just say Endgame is a valid entry point but others require homework. The friend that started with Endgame probably enjoyed it because its a great fun movie but it requires just as much if not more homework than any movie in human history tbh. Its easier to buy one woman went evil offscreen than "half the universe died, dudes stranded in space, talking raccoon seamlessly integrated with human characters"
I swear, even if marvel has a streak of fantastic movies that are well written, well acted, well crafted, with some of the best action scenes ever made and all do well the box office. People will still be here in the comments like "superhero fatigue is real, these films are just exceptions, this film did well because it relied on this or that" they’ll make all types of excuses.
@RealCashTok yea, but what about the horror genre? We get a handful of those type of movies every year. There’s a lot of good ones but there’s still a fair share of bad ones and it’s still around.
The MCU, and even Disney in general, had one major problem the past few years, and that's that development under Bob Chapek was hell. Hopefully with Chapek gone, they eventually right the ship. I don't know when it will be that we finally start seeing stuff that didn't have Chapek's thumbprint on it, but the stuff released in 2023 was basically leftover from his era.
Disney+ just dug a big old hole that Kevin Feige was told he had to fill with Marvel content. This not only produced lacklustre mini-series for streaming, but had a knock on effect on the movies too. So many great storylines that could have gradually been introduced in the movies had to be used to make barn fire content for streaming...
The bar was set so high with the initial phases so I expected a drop off to be honest. I was therefore not surprised by the quality of the the more recent releases but because my expectations were lowered I actually enjoyed most of the movies and series, I just didn’t like she hulk and found ms.marvel so-so other than that I liked everything.
I skipped out on the entire Phase 4. With Lockdowns and such, movies were difficult to watch in cinemas. And Disney+ wasn't available in Germany at that time. So why bother jumping into an overload of content when you have to see EVERYTHING to get what's going on?
@@farakhhanifThat’s the point. The quality has dropped in many parts due to the sheer quantity of projects released. By scaling down the number of projects you eliminate that variable. If it still sucks, then that point to a deeper issue.
@farakhhanif I agree, quality has to be there 100%. Hopefully, by reducing the number of projects and putting more resources into writing and VFX, they can solve both the quality and fan reception again.
When marvel announced TV series on disney+ my thoughts were that they will do these series to fill in gaps along the way in between movies. Kind of going a bit deeper with all the characters presently in the MCU. and introduce new ones with the quality and scope of a movie. I think bob chapek with his bad decisions destroyed the plans that kevin Feige had for the shows. Also most producers and writers working with marvel TV series aren't comic book fans or neither does their homework properly prior to hitting the studio to star filming. Marvel needs to assemble a smal team of directors and writters whom are trully comic book fans,that undestand how each character works and bringing them to the big and small screen the right way. Instead of hiring any director to handle these tv series and movies on its own just have a small number of them working on two or three different projects whwre they can work better and more efficient. For example daredevil and echo. The directors of daredevil shall work on both projects because those characters are related,same appliies to hawkeye. They series were connected ao it make sense that the director of daredevil and echo also have a saying on what happens in hawkeye for a better and more continuity storytelling. This is how i personally envisioned the marvel's TV series.
Nerd culture became pop culture.. But marvel heroes were not that popular but now marvel is so popular that fans do research and have expectations... Higher expectations is the reason why people cried for DC(for no reason, new ww, new superman, new Batman is bad bcz they were expecting something different)
Main faces going forward should be Shang-Chi, Strange, Cap, The Marvels, Ant-Man and Thor. Then we have Black Panther, Loki, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Namor, Bruce Banner, Hawkeye, etc pulled into certain stories when needed. Spider Man theoretic should be the leader if he were solely marvel and not a Sony character.
I honestly think the lack of a Thanos level event running through the newer films has hurt it a little bit. Did not care at all for Thor: Dark World but since it had a subplot with the reality stone in it it became required viewing and deepened the overall lore. Likewise GotG vol.1 gave a whole backstory to the Infinity stones but when you left the movie you still were more invested with the main cast. So whether it be a good MCU film or a bad one the run through story helped tie everything together even if it was subconscious. The 2 films between Infinity War and Endgame being Capt Marvel and Ant-Man & The Wasp would not have made the money that they did if everyone wasn't thirsty for even the most minute clue as to how to get our heroes back. Ant-Man maybe didnt have the biggest impact but there is no way that Capt Marvel released today would earn 1 billion. The tease at the end of Infinity war hyped up that film. I agree that you don't "need" every movie to be reliant on watching the previous but the MCU has programed us that way. It's why Endgame made the money that it did. I mean if you were telling someone that's never seen any marvel movie but was interested in starting with Guardians of the Galaxy and watching them 1 - 3 everyone would stop that person and suggest watching Infinity War and Endgame before watching vol.3 even though they are not GOTG movies. It only seems like now that the MCU is attempting to break that formula and going in several different directions which clearly is not working. Other than that they truly do need a "face" of the MCU. If WWE has taught us anything is that you need a champion. Just bring out the Fantastic Four already and start there. The best thing the the MCU can do at this point is at the end of the next Avengers film have the post credit scene be something flying through the universe revealing itself to be Silver Surfer finding Earth and then cut to black.
DC has always been better..better stronger superheros, characters, storys that are born into it more depth, marvel got lucky with casting and being light hearted jokes for the non comic book fan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marvel movies used to be action movies that just happened to have superheroes as the characters. Now they're superhero movies that just happen to have action in them. Same thing with the comedy aspect. They were action movies that just happened to have the odd sprinkings of comedy here and there, and now they're just dumb, stupid comedies that happen to have some action in them.
Marvel needs to realize that it's better to put out two excellent shows per year that I'll watch 2-3 times a year for many years than 4-5 meh to bad shows per year that I'll watch once and never again because the quality is subpar.
In regards to number 8. I have a feeling but obviously can't confirm. I reckon they were going to have Dr Strange, Black Panther and Spider-Man as the new core characters but after Chadwicks death they faltered and then never fixed it. Also it's incredible to me that we haven't seen Shang Chi again yet.
John, the literally built a whole business and studio around the franchise comic brand. at this point if you havent been following the story, you have time to catch up. The continuity is actually one of the greatest strengths of Marvel. A new fan might not be able to jump in. But if they took the time to watch an older entry point film. Then it all starts to make sense. Then again, theres enough info to catch anyone up looking to get into the space. The issue is frequency of projects, thats it. Give people time to breath. Explore sub plots and other worlds maybe.
I think Black Panther was supposed to be the centerpiece of the new group, but even if so, they needed to pivot after Chadwick’s death to another main, like Thor and/or Dr Strange, but they dropped the ball there. With the new wave of female heroes they introduced leading the way, they probably gave Gaia all the powers because they’ll need a woman villain. It’s gonna get visually problematic if they only have women heroes and the male villains beat on them… and if they beat up the male villains too easily, it’s not gonna work well for fans that want great battle action.
I think the new frontier will be video game movies. Its been good this year (Gran Turismo notwithstanding) but I quite enjoyed Mario, Last of Us, Twisted Metal, even last year with Sonic and Uncharted was a guilty pleasure. Best part is none of these are trying to build out a shared cinematic universe. Sequels yes, but not like multiple properties weaved into a overarching narrative. I wont believe it until we get a Super Smash Bros movie
me personally, I wouldn’t care if Secret Wars doesn’t come out until 2030. I want Marvel to take their time and make best films possible. I want both Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars to eclipse IW & Endgame
on number 3 I disagree part of the problem with the humor is that when itundercuts what could be serious and emotional moments........also not everything needs to be funny not all characters or stories lends themselves to that....out of place its distracting and even worse often times not funny when its intended to be......I think there are other major issues being left out
This is what I think the future might look like. Don’t know which Hulk will take over as lead. Feel like once we get X-Men and Fantastic Four involved it’ll feel more cohesive. Multiverse Saga 1. Black Widow - July 2021 2. Shang-Chi - September 2021 3. Eternals - November 2021 4. Spider-Man 3 - December 2021 5. Doctor Strange 2 - May 2022 6. Lady Thor - July 2022 7. Black Panther 2 - November 2022 8. Ant-Man 3 - February 2023 9. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 - May 2023 10. Captain Marvel 2 - November 2023 11. Deadpool 3 - May 2024 or Sept. 2024 12. Captain America 4 - July 2024 13. Thunderbolts - December 2024 14. Blade - February 2025 15. Fantastic Four - May 2025 16. World War Hulk - July 2025 17. Spider-Man 4 - November 2025 18. Armor Wars - February 2026 19. Avengers Kang Dynasty - May 2026 20. Doctor Strange 3 - July 2026 21. Eternals 2 - November 2026 22. Shang-Chi 2 - February 2027 23. Avengers Secret Wars - May 2027 Eternity Saga 1. Black Panther 3 - July 2027 2. NOVA - November 2027 3. Lady Thor 2 - February 2028 4. X-Men - May 2028 5. Inhumans - July 2028 6. Excalibur (Captain Britain) - Nov. 2028 7. Captain Marvel 3 - February 2029 8. Captain America 5 - May 2029 9. Spider-Man 5 - July 2029 10. Thunderbolts 2/Black Widow 3 - Nov. 2029 11. Defenders - February 2030 12. Fantastic Four 2 - May 2030 13. Hulk 2 - July 2030 14. NOVA 2 - November 2030 15. Blade 2 - February 2031 16. X-Men 2 - May 2031 17. Miles Morales - July 2031 18. Young Avengers - November 2031 19. Armor Wars 2 - February 2032 20. Avengers vs X-Men - May 2032 21. Spider-Man 6 - July 2032 22. Eternals 3 - November 2032 23. Shang-Chi 3 - February 2033 24. Avengers Eternity Wars - May 2033 Timeless Saga 1. Inhumans 2 - July 2033 2. Excalibur 2 - November 2033 3. Lady Thor 3 - February 2034 4. Captain America 6 - May 2034 5. Miles Morales 2 - July 2034 6. Young Avengers 2 - November 2034 7. Defenders 2 - February 2035 8. Fantastic Four 3 - May 2035 9. Hulk 3 - July 2035 10. NOVA 3 - November 2035 11. Blade 3 - February 2036 12. X-Men 3 - May 2036 13. Miles Morales 3 - July 2036 14. Excalibur 3 - November 2036 15. Armor Wars 3 - February 2037 16. Avengers Excursion - May 2037 17. Inhumans 3 - July 2037 18. Young Avengers 3 - November 2037 19. Defenders 3 - February 2038 20. Avengers Timeless - May 2038
I cancelled Disney after Secret Invasion. Excellent actors Samuel L Jackson and Olivia Coleman were wasted. Netflix Marvel was very good to excellent. Iron Fist was the only series I didn’t like because the actor didn’t have time to train for the martial arts scenes. However, even Iron Fist story linked into Defenders (Heroes for Hire).
Glad they are going away from Disney plus shows for the most part. The shows should not be a pre req for any movies. Most casuals may not even have D+ or pay attention to the shows
What MCU needs to do 1 stop with the jokes to ruin scenes 2dont introduce characters you won't see within 2 years, 3 quantity isn't the problem quality is Make D+ shows real season at least 18 episodes at least 42 minutes not including credits
some of these things are valid but a lot of them are just people whining, you have less movies you have a tighter story, they've put out more content to because they're expanding the universe so things won't become cohesive until closer to kangs dynasty and movies like that. When it comes to making every movie a movie anyone can just jump into and understand whats going on is more so the difference between good/bad movies, what's the point of making them connected to a saga if you don't include callbacks and build off the previous movies? plus that's a disservice to the fans that have been along for the ride. The MCU could honestly fix all this by just saying the movies take place in different universes, that way you can build off each movie and then connect them at the end for battle world, if they're not going to sit all the writers in a single room and have them all make it connect then you have to do this.... or we can just wait til the end of the saga... BTW there are core characters, just not the ones you like... strange still there, ms marvel there, thor, fury, bucky, sam, spider man, etc.... John just impatient... people just like cheap pop and have short attention spans honestly.
Your point about the expanding is valid on one side, but I'd be curious to compare the pacing. It is sounding like instead of looking at the number of projects, look at the span of time, and answer for ourselves, "Are we getting the equivalent of 3 build ups with the 3x increased output over roughly the same span of time as we did the build up to the Avengers, and from there to End Game?" On initial thinking I'd say we aren't, but if they abandoned plans to have Kang, Celestials and, say, The 10 Rings or Skrulls all be the Thanos-equivalent story caps, it would make sense that it looks directionless. Either way, it is clear all projects don't need to be building to Kang like those early phase ones built to Thanos.
I would never agree that the MCU has taken a Step down in quality. Everything is just as great today as it was before. I also COMPLETELY disagree that prior viewing is required. One could go into Dr Strange 2 without having seen Wandavision
During phase 1-3 Captain America always gave an iconic speech as to why the world needs the Avengers, why they need to keep to protecting the world and work together. His words inspired you and gave you hope. For me this is what the later phases are missing this sense of inspiration and hope.
Guarantee Sam’s Cap’n America will do the same in CA4
That large eternal sticking out the earth would literally effect earths gravity, orbit and almost every aspect of human life for everyone on the planet. It’s literally the only thing the world would be talking about for decades
It's the plot of Captain America 4
And it’s a celestial.
But since it’s science fiction who says these giants are heavy when they can easily craft black holes to travel for example.
Could even be they affect their own mass and weight in the mcu, if you want to take a nerdy solution 😂
And I know what you mean, but in an universe where we had half the population blipped, super powered being jumping around and people going to space like it’s nothing, nobody would act like this would be 9/11
I’m so glad you brought up the lack of follow up on major events. The whole celestial thing from Eternals has been the single biggest issue I’ve had. Like how have they not followed up on that? It’s mind blowing.
The death of Chadwick Boseman has in retrospect been a major setback for the MCU. After Avengers Endgame Black Panther should have been the center of Marvel the same way Robert Downey Jr’s Tony Stark was the first 3 phases.
Me sitting there quietly enjoying everything phase 4 and 5
@@NightwingTV only think I’ve disliked is she hulk. Apart from that I think iron man 3 and Thor 2 are worse then anything they have brought out phase 4 & 5.
@@GamingSafeSpace100 .
I swear we just talked about this 2 days ago
Don't forget to mention Kevin Feigi going all in on the Rick and Morty writers. The scripts and stories have been horrible.
Remember tho, The actress who played America Chavez said that Micheal Waldron had to write almost 30 rewrites of doctor strange 2.
She also said that Micheal Waldron is an amazing writer, Loki Season 2 and Heels show that, I don’t think it’s the writers themselves who were horrible but more that they were pushed to remake and rework there stories to craft one the studio approves of.
Once i saw an Agatha Harkness series announced... i thought Marvel lost it!
The MCU is having a post Attitude Era problem at this very moment.
Biggest problems for me as a fairly hardcore fan:
1. Minimal cohesion between stories and lack of "world changing events" actually having any impact
2. Multiverse fumble - completely underutilized and disappointing concept/theme in more ways than I can count
3. Short Disney plus "shows" which lead to lack of a fulfilling story 80% of the time
4. No "face of the mcu"
5. Bad stories and writing - majority of content we've gotten has been disappointing and/or very underwhelming.
Endgame was not the end of the mcu but the end of a storyline. The mcu DOES NOT need a reboot, It needs better stories.
Love you john, but how many “issues with marvel” videos are you going to keep putting out? It’s starting to feel a bit repetitive at this point
He keeps releasing these but with slightly different titles. 😅
I swear he just made a 5 issues with Marvel video, damn the strike is hitting everyone hard. Nothing interesting to report 😂
@@CarlOake there are 14,000,605 possibilities lol
Well Hollywood is shut down pretty much
Maybe it's because with every new MCU project comes new problems
The end of the MCU was End game. People went crazy for it, but that movie was kind of a mess and made no real sense narratively. And it set the tone for where things are now.
The major problem is that the MCU got Disneyfied 😅😅, but John articulates what every core fan of the franchise has been saying when debating about the new phase. Thanks John 🎉🎉
You say that like Disney makes nothing but crap
@@benm5970 what I'm saying is that Disney caters for kids, for example instead of getting Gorr 'the god butcher' we got Gorr the pedophile and kidnapper . We never saw even 1 god get butchered instead we got kids running around thinking they were Thor😔😔😔. But if you check the comics that story MADE THOR into what he is. I just think Disney doesn't want to cater to comic book fans rather they are trying to make new fans at a risk of us the the geeks.
@@j04370859 if you don't understand then don't ask in a flimsy way
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These are the movies, not the comics, I know we’ve gotten to the point where comic book fans have become so spoiled and entitled that they won’t accept any changes anymore but that’s how it is, when you adapt them into a different medium you change it up to appeal to a different audience
Yeah you you absolutely right but infinity war and endgame did exactly that but they never changed Thanos or his plan. Which is exactly what happens in the comics, and how successful are those movies? Just saying bra...
I totally agree with John that there isn't a sense of "coherence" between the stories. Part of this is that, yes, there aren't consistent rules in how they're presenting the Multi-verse.
But worse, this is an inherent problem with having a shared movie universe at all. Because now you have to come up with all kinds of excuses as to why the other superheroes aren't helping out in any given situation (assuming you acknowledge they exist at all). I remember a downright comical scene in Spiderman: Far from Home, in which Nick Fury gives a list of excuses about why the other superheroes are busy.
And this isn't just because it's too expensive to pay all the actors to keep appearing (though that's surely a factor). It's because the very fact that they even exist in this world, all at once, means it's pretty implausible that there can be any big villains or supernatural conflicts to begin with. You just have to conveniently forget they exist. Only the people currently on your screen exist. And that takes a suspension of disbelief that wasn't required in the earlier entries.
Got rid of the most popular heroes (Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, T'Challa - RIP Chadwick) and introduced way too many new characters that we can't grow to love because there are way too many all at once, VFX issues, script issues, Thor was really good until Love and Thunder, too many shows that are required to understand the timeline/overall story, and other studios are doing R-rated comic book things that look better and have better stories whereas Disney Marvel is a little too safe.
Phase 3 was just so dang good. We got spoiled with Infinity War, Endgame, Thor Ragnarok Captain America Civil War, and Black Panther. In my opinion we were given gold and now that were getting bronze and silver movies. Its just like eehhh its not as good. Well you can't make number 1 hits forever. I'm confident that Marvel can still make great movies but we might have seen the peak of greatness with Avengers Endgame. - just my opinion
I feel like the MCU is like Star Wars in the sense that people hold the golden age of the franchise (The original trilogy/The infinity saga) to such an astronomically, almost unreal height that for them it’s physically impossible for anything else the franchise puts out to even come close to the golden age stuff
Am I tripping or wasn’t this same type of video put out like a day ago?
We got used to climax. Civil War, Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame in annual succession… and then back to Phase 1 -esque movies. It’s a cycle that’s going to have ebbs and flows due to its nature. But, the over-saturation has emphasized this and lead many to feel that the MCU is dead. I’m not saying I don’t feel that way, bc I do, but the sheer number of Phase 1 quality movies and very little interconnectivity (ie Phase 1 where it’s all expository) feels like a massive downgrade
To add to some of your points -
Turns out multiverses seem really difficult to write meaningfully and intentionally, beyond a character standing there statically explaining exposition dialogue that there are multiple worlds, "let's hop into some wacky ones!" etc
The perfect (in film) model is Everything Everywhere All At Once - the concept is totally a part of what the movie's story wants to say emotionally. Animation also has a get out that every multiverse can be an interesting new artistic style, definate sense of place, and the reason to be there IS the art style in some ways. I'm not well-versed enough in the comics, but I think what we're finding is just deciding to have a Multiverse phase in film, without thinking through how it's going to be emotional and visually exciting, is surprisingly boring. Instead of an amazing multitude of worlds, without thought to emotion or diversity of aesthetic, it gets same old, same old.
Aesthetic sameness - CGI in the hands of Marvel is getting a very decided-upon, set aesthetic, there's lots of blues, lots of grey, theres lots of seen-it-before, mediocre CGI (and that's on Disney, not the creatives) A hegemony of aesthetic has set in for Marvel. It's not surprising, it's boring, and often ugly. It might be time to consider (within reason) SOME practical effects were at all possible.
Respect Special Effects/CGI workers - the crunch has to stop, the exploitation has to stop. Against this backdrop, there's a lot of rush going on, there's simply not time to create in a creative medium, or be basically humane to people.
The biggest problem: Disney+.
If you want your franchise to be big-make it big. No TV shows. Only movies.
I personally would have made this phase way more underground. What i mean by that is, i would have started with Shang Chi and made the big threat be a war between the hand and the ten rings. Shang Chi Moon Knight ( not the supernatural version) and Blade and Daredevil would have films along with She Hulk. Loki would still have his show but that would help build on things to come way later.
Eternals would be a game of thrones style superhero family drama on Disney + with 1hr long eps.
I would cultivate them and make them the new faces. War Machine and Captain America still fit well within those parameters too. And thunderbolts still fit well too.
Thats just a bit of my “fantasy set up” lol
9:27 - 9:34
Given the Battle of New York, The Snap and other major events during the first three phases. The people of Earth have become so nonchalant and ignore the major events while going about their day, like the people of South Park with the school shootings.
See even in the earlier phases. You point out a serious moment being balanced out by an immediate relief of humor. Even that is too much, if the movie is making me feel sad or serious in a moment. Letting the audience take that in will make the moment seem like so much more. Nothing worse than a ridiculous gag in the middle of a sad scene to ruin it
I’ll say the new guardians movie didn’t have this issue. Let you take in all the emotions much better than most marvel entries
I agree with your entire list, but I would add a very large problem in Thor. A character we have been so endeared to, and have watched toil and lose so much in such a short period of time in rapid succession.. Yet he continues to bafflingly devolve and regress. He is dumber now, but he ever has been. He has taken loss after loss and has learned so many lessons that are immediately retconned the following film. I like that he is arguably the funniest character, but he had the highest potential of being the new focal point as the identity of the MCU. Now he is an absolute buffoon, who has a backstory that has made no impact on who he is.
Having those core characters was absolutely vital, they could literally spin all kinds of plots and subplots from that. DC could have done that as well if they had stuck with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman
11. Fans are impatient and want the connectivity now.
1. That is a a problem but I don't think its as bad as people think
2. Agree
3. Agree
4. I can see why that could be a problem for some but I don't mind stories that don't connect to the greater MCU if done properly
5. Agree
6. Agree
7. Agree and sounds like Marvel knows this and is looking to solve the problem
8. Disagree, the core characters right now are Doctor Strange, Spiderman, Captain America, and possibly Scarlet Witch. The problem is that there are too many projects in between appearances for these characters. Example: I think its been about 18 projects since we last saw Sam Wilson as Cap.
9. idk if this is a major problem
10. Agree
18 projects in 2 years is crazy
This is what destroyd the MCU and will never be saved
@@miguelcmr54 Yeah its insane
idk about others, so I'm only speaking for myself here, but my biggest problem is that these are all the same movie and I'm absolutely tired of them.
Okay stop watching them then. If everything Marvel does is the same, stop watching it. I think phase 4 is a step down but they are still different stories with different characters.
@@natelundstrum4903 just because I’m tired of them doesn’t mean I’ll stop watching, I love movies and movie commentary so I really watch as many movies as I possible can. But I don’t think everyone feels the same as me, my friend I see all the movies with still thinks marvel movies are cool because of the cgi stuff.
@@garfieldGG Nobody thinks Marvel is cool just because of the "CGI stuff". If the story wasn't good people would not have been interested and invested in it for so long. And they are not the same movie at all. there might be similarities but they aren't the same movie.
Ok I don’t get it, I hear people say that MCU are just the same thing over and over again all the time but nobody ever elaborates on how/why
For me it doesn’t feel the same in terms of the lack of cohesion of it not feeling like one universe which he mentioned. I like that they’re diving into different genres but it doesn’t feel like they all belong together
I’ll say it again, the last best MCU movie was Shang Chi, a very unappreciative MCU movie.
Ikr?
The biggest problem is by far too much projetcs.
If you have too much projetcs, that creates problems on building up stakes and story
If they wanted to make more content you needed to have more time.
What is the need for shows like Ms Marvel, She Hulk, Thor 4?
I think some stuff will be built upon later on but it's taking too long to follow up on so people get frustrated when it's not talked about.
John my wife lives in the Philippines. So she doesnt Have Disney+ so when she saw Dr.Strange she wanted to know who these kids are? Why is Peggy Carter now Captain Carter? Who are the 2 new girls in The Marvels? Why is Loki in the post credit scene of Ant-man 3?
Endgame did a 5 year jump to 2023 where nothing progressed and culture stagnated. Here we are in 2023 and the Marvel Universe feels like it hasn't progressed and the movies/shows have stagnated. Interesting...
The problem with Marvel is simple…
If something doesn’t take itself seriously, the audience won’t either.
And that’s not to say jokes are bad. There’s a difference between incorporating comedy and making your film a joke.
The biggest issue with Marvel has been the tv shows. They should’ve just done animated shows for Disney+ and left MCU to the movies.
Although their ending was beautiful the absence of Steve and tony is really clear. I don’t think you should even abandon your pillar characters. That’s like DC (if they had their stuff together) getting rid of Batman and Superman after a few JL movies
Good point!
Man! This is spot on. Like really spot on.. 🎯
I agree with about 90‐95% of everything he just said
After Endgame Marvel basically pulled a bud light - it's not coming back. Even if they do the walk of shame and bring back Downey.
If your writing is terrible, star power is meaningless.
3:02 with this first point about entry points, I agree and disagree. Once you get so far into any extended universe, homework is bound to just be apart of it all.
Marvel Killed off Cap,Iron Man and Black Panther..haven't made an Avengers film since Endgame and relied on a Multiverse storyline every other studio jumped on at the exact same time
Don't forget that the entirety of phase 4 happened in the same timespan as it took between the release of Endgame and the release of Black Widow.
I’m not saying any MCU project after Endgame can’t be a starting point for new viewers, but it looks very difficult to make a film or series as someone’s point compared to the first three phases.
Didn't John did this topic like 4 days ago.. And also a month ago and even a time after ant man and the wasp 3. I mean I know what changes John wants but I think for a content creator. I think we need more different topics than the same that's just my opinion. Not hating... Just... It's repetive.
At least he has stop with the Henry cavill superman chances of returning topics
Wise words from a wise movie buff. All the franchise head should heed the advice of this man. Good takes John. 10/10
Imagine if they used post credit scenes of the other movies to kind of explain a disney+ tie in series in a nutshell. For example in spiderman NWH a wanda post credit scene that made it pretty clear shes a villain. So people see that wonder whats going on then remember there was something called wanda vision that came out the previous year and maybe watch that.
Not gonna lie but the next core characters shouldve been Strange, T’Challa and Wanda sadly but alot of things happen with “creative differences” with Derrick Scott, pandemic, passing of Chadwick, unconnected Disney+ Series and Movies, and Rick&Morty writers
1:43 I got you there, but that’s just due to the amount of movies honestly, the mcu wasn’t that expanded yet.
They have bungled up dimensions, timelines, realms, universes, and are themselves not sure which is which
They all mean the same thing.
@@toshtao1 they do and don't hence the confusion. they all have different explanations and contradictory attributes.
The problem is that they no longer have a committee of people who stay on top of continuity or force new directors and writers to be on top of previous projects or aware of future projects outlines
Too much content to the point it just feels very repetitive. Same stories just with different actors and characters. Not enough focus is on creative stories, writing and character development. Having said this statement is true of most TV and Movies not just Marvel. Too many businessman deciding on content instead of creatives with a business brain.
How the MCU handled AoS and the Netflix series is 95% how they should have done their Disney+ Shows. the other 5% is just a tad more continuity with the movies and vice versa, and shows and movies with direct tie-ins are super rare. Like maybe Wanda/Vision and Dr Strange: MOM being the only direct connection in the entire phase.
The MCU never handled those shows since they're not canon to the MCU. The first shows the MCU made where the Disney+ ones
@@Fourmath the point stands. Have your Disney+ shows on the side, with no direct connections to the movies, except maybe one per phase
@@FoolsGil what they're doing is how it should be. Just make less She-Hulk and more Loki and Moon Knight
100% correct
Spot on assessment.
Multiverse = Whatever the scriptwriter needs it to be.
Previous phases used to end with a post credit scene which made you want to see the next MCU movie. Now the movies require pre-work and nothing in the end to make you watch the next project.
Did this guy just say Endgame is a valid entry point but others require homework. The friend that started with Endgame probably enjoyed it because its a great fun movie but it requires just as much if not more homework than any movie in human history tbh. Its easier to buy one woman went evil offscreen than "half the universe died, dudes stranded in space, talking raccoon seamlessly integrated with human characters"
No, he said the FIRST Avengers film was a movie someone could enjoy without homework.
I swear, even if marvel has a streak of fantastic movies that are well written, well acted, well crafted, with some of the best action scenes ever made and all do well the box office. People will still be here in the comments like "superhero fatigue is real, these films are just exceptions, this film did well because it relied on this or that" they’ll make all types of excuses.
@RealCashTok yea, but what about the horror genre? We get a handful of those type of movies every year. There’s a lot of good ones but there’s still a fair share of bad ones and it’s still around.
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The MCU, and even Disney in general, had one major problem the past few years, and that's that development under Bob Chapek was hell. Hopefully with Chapek gone, they eventually right the ship. I don't know when it will be that we finally start seeing stuff that didn't have Chapek's thumbprint on it, but the stuff released in 2023 was basically leftover from his era.
MCU should leave all these aside and focus on Fantastic 4 and X-Men and develop those have a universe around them.
I agree with you John everything 😊
Disney+ just dug a big old hole that Kevin Feige was told he had to fill with Marvel content. This not only produced lacklustre mini-series for streaming, but had a knock on effect on the movies too. So many great storylines that could have gradually been introduced in the movies had to be used to make barn fire content for streaming...
The bar was set so high with the initial phases so I expected a drop off to be honest. I was therefore not surprised by the quality of the the more recent releases but because my expectations were lowered I actually enjoyed most of the movies and series, I just didn’t like she hulk and found ms.marvel so-so other than that I liked everything.
I skipped out on the entire Phase 4. With Lockdowns and such, movies were difficult to watch in cinemas. And Disney+ wasn't available in Germany at that time. So why bother jumping into an overload of content when you have to see EVERYTHING to get what's going on?
Did you even understand Moonknight???🤔🤔
They are not at all visible to normal humans🫡🫡
Simple. Release no more than 2 movies a year. Hell, one movie a year. Keep your I.P. scarce and people will want it more again.
Totally agree.
Not if your movies suck. Quality movies is the most important thing.
@@farakhhanifThat’s the point. The quality has dropped in many parts due to the sheer quantity of projects released. By scaling down the number of projects you eliminate that variable. If it still sucks, then that point to a deeper issue.
@@LeMelleKH2I agree, but reducing the number of projects doesn't guarantee that the movies will start being as successful financially as before.
@farakhhanif I agree, quality has to be there 100%. Hopefully, by reducing the number of projects and putting more resources into writing and VFX, they can solve both the quality and fan reception again.
Can't believe he didn't mention the cost of these fucking things.
When marvel announced TV series on disney+ my thoughts were that they will do these series to fill in gaps along the way in between movies. Kind of going a bit deeper with all the characters presently in the MCU. and introduce new ones with the quality and scope of a movie. I think bob chapek with his bad decisions destroyed the plans that kevin Feige had for the shows. Also most producers and writers working with marvel TV series aren't comic book fans or neither does their homework properly prior to hitting the studio to star filming. Marvel needs to assemble a smal team of directors and writters whom are trully comic book fans,that undestand how each character works and bringing them to the big and small screen the right way. Instead of hiring any director to handle these tv series and movies on its own just have a small number of them working on two or three different projects whwre they can work better and more efficient.
For example daredevil and echo. The directors of daredevil shall work on both projects because those characters are related,same appliies to hawkeye. They series were connected ao it make sense that the director of daredevil and echo also have a saying on what happens in hawkeye for a better and more continuity storytelling. This is how i personally envisioned the marvel's TV series.
They keep saying we'll soon see how it all ties together. Maybe, but will we even give a shit when we do?
Nerd culture became pop culture.. But marvel heroes were not that popular but now marvel is so popular that fans do research and have expectations... Higher expectations is the reason why people cried for DC(for no reason, new ww, new superman, new Batman is bad bcz they were expecting something different)
Main faces going forward should be Shang-Chi, Strange, Cap, The Marvels, Ant-Man and Thor. Then we have Black Panther, Loki, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Namor, Bruce Banner, Hawkeye, etc pulled into certain stories when needed. Spider Man theoretic should be the leader if he were solely marvel and not a Sony character.
Marvel does not rep 17:45 ect the past. Instead they make jokes about characters that sacrificed to save the universe.
I honestly think the lack of a Thanos level event running through the newer films has hurt it a little bit. Did not care at all for Thor: Dark World but since it had a subplot with the reality stone in it it became required viewing and deepened the overall lore. Likewise GotG vol.1 gave a whole backstory to the Infinity stones but when you left the movie you still were more invested with the main cast. So whether it be a good MCU film or a bad one the run through story helped tie everything together even if it was subconscious. The 2 films between Infinity War and Endgame being Capt Marvel and Ant-Man & The Wasp would not have made the money that they did if everyone wasn't thirsty for even the most minute clue as to how to get our heroes back. Ant-Man maybe didnt have the biggest impact but there is no way that Capt Marvel released today would earn 1 billion. The tease at the end of Infinity war hyped up that film. I agree that you don't "need" every movie to be reliant on watching the previous but the MCU has programed us that way. It's why Endgame made the money that it did. I mean if you were telling someone that's never seen any marvel movie but was interested in starting with Guardians of the Galaxy and watching them 1 - 3 everyone would stop that person and suggest watching Infinity War and Endgame before watching vol.3 even though they are not GOTG movies. It only seems like now that the MCU is attempting to break that formula and going in several different directions which clearly is not working. Other than that they truly do need a "face" of the MCU. If WWE has taught us anything is that you need a champion. Just bring out the Fantastic Four already and start there. The best thing the the MCU can do at this point is at the end of the next Avengers film have the post credit scene be something flying through the universe revealing itself to be Silver Surfer finding Earth and then cut to black.
I fully agree.
DC has always been better..better stronger superheros, characters, storys that are born into it more depth, marvel got lucky with casting and being light hearted jokes for the non comic book fan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The biggest problem is #10. Too many characters way too soon
There was a rumor that Secret Wars would soft reset the Marvel universe. Idk how legit that is but i think that's what Marvel needs
Marvel movies used to be action movies that just happened to have superheroes as the characters. Now they're superhero movies that just happen to have action in them.
Same thing with the comedy aspect. They were action movies that just happened to have the odd sprinkings of comedy here and there, and now they're just dumb, stupid comedies that happen to have some action in them.
Marvel needs to realize that it's better to put out two excellent shows per year that I'll watch 2-3 times a year for many years than 4-5 meh to bad shows per year that I'll watch once and never again because the quality is subpar.
MCU is tip toe'ing, they need to strut.
Thank you!
You made my day, thank you@@herbertscott9575. I stole the quote from iron man talking to banner in avengers.
In regards to number 8. I have a feeling but obviously can't confirm. I reckon they were going to have Dr Strange, Black Panther and Spider-Man as the new core characters but after Chadwicks death they faltered and then never fixed it.
Also it's incredible to me that we haven't seen Shang Chi again yet.
John, the literally built a whole business and studio around the franchise comic brand. at this point if you havent been following the story, you have time to catch up. The continuity is actually one of the greatest strengths of Marvel.
A new fan might not be able to jump in. But if they took the time to watch an older entry point film. Then it all starts to make sense.
Then again, theres enough info to catch anyone up looking to get into the space.
The issue is frequency of projects, thats it. Give people time to breath. Explore sub plots and other worlds maybe.
Wong is the face of the MCU now!
I think Black Panther was supposed to be the centerpiece of the new group, but even if so, they needed to pivot after Chadwick’s death to another main, like Thor and/or Dr Strange, but they dropped the ball there.
With the new wave of female heroes they introduced leading the way, they probably gave Gaia all the powers because they’ll need a woman villain. It’s gonna get visually problematic if they only have women heroes and the male villains beat on them… and if they beat up the male villains too easily, it’s not gonna work well for fans that want great battle action.
I think the new frontier will be video game movies. Its been good this year (Gran Turismo notwithstanding) but I quite enjoyed Mario, Last of Us, Twisted Metal, even last year with Sonic and Uncharted was a guilty pleasure. Best part is none of these are trying to build out a shared cinematic universe. Sequels yes, but not like multiple properties weaved into a overarching narrative. I wont believe it until we get a Super Smash Bros movie
me personally, I wouldn’t care if Secret Wars doesn’t come out until 2030. I want Marvel to take their time and make best films possible. I want both Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars to eclipse IW & Endgame
@@jim1242 people said the same thing after the first avengers movie "nothing will ever top this" and look what happened
To fix half of those issues, they have to implement the other half of those issues.
on number 3 I disagree part of the problem with the humor is that when itundercuts what could be serious and emotional moments........also not everything needs to be funny not all characters or stories lends themselves to that....out of place its distracting and even worse often times not funny when its intended to be......I think there are other major issues being left out
This is what I think the future might look like. Don’t know which Hulk will take over as lead. Feel like once we get X-Men and Fantastic Four involved it’ll feel more cohesive.
Multiverse Saga
1. Black Widow - July 2021
2. Shang-Chi - September 2021
3. Eternals - November 2021
4. Spider-Man 3 - December 2021
5. Doctor Strange 2 - May 2022
6. Lady Thor - July 2022
7. Black Panther 2 - November 2022
8. Ant-Man 3 - February 2023
9. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 - May 2023
10. Captain Marvel 2 - November 2023
11. Deadpool 3 - May 2024 or Sept. 2024
12. Captain America 4 - July 2024
13. Thunderbolts - December 2024
14. Blade - February 2025
15. Fantastic Four - May 2025
16. World War Hulk - July 2025
17. Spider-Man 4 - November 2025
18. Armor Wars - February 2026
19. Avengers Kang Dynasty - May 2026
20. Doctor Strange 3 - July 2026
21. Eternals 2 - November 2026
22. Shang-Chi 2 - February 2027
23. Avengers Secret Wars - May 2027
Eternity Saga
1. Black Panther 3 - July 2027
2. NOVA - November 2027
3. Lady Thor 2 - February 2028
4. X-Men - May 2028
5. Inhumans - July 2028
6. Excalibur (Captain Britain) - Nov. 2028
7. Captain Marvel 3 - February 2029
8. Captain America 5 - May 2029
9. Spider-Man 5 - July 2029
10. Thunderbolts 2/Black Widow 3 - Nov. 2029
11. Defenders - February 2030
12. Fantastic Four 2 - May 2030
13. Hulk 2 - July 2030
14. NOVA 2 - November 2030
15. Blade 2 - February 2031
16. X-Men 2 - May 2031
17. Miles Morales - July 2031
18. Young Avengers - November 2031
19. Armor Wars 2 - February 2032
20. Avengers vs X-Men - May 2032
21. Spider-Man 6 - July 2032
22. Eternals 3 - November 2032
23. Shang-Chi 3 - February 2033
24. Avengers Eternity Wars - May 2033
Timeless Saga
1. Inhumans 2 - July 2033
2. Excalibur 2 - November 2033
3. Lady Thor 3 - February 2034
4. Captain America 6 - May 2034
5. Miles Morales 2 - July 2034
6. Young Avengers 2 - November 2034
7. Defenders 2 - February 2035
8. Fantastic Four 3 - May 2035
9. Hulk 3 - July 2035
10. NOVA 3 - November 2035
11. Blade 3 - February 2036
12. X-Men 3 - May 2036
13. Miles Morales 3 - July 2036
14. Excalibur 3 - November 2036
15. Armor Wars 3 - February 2037
16. Avengers Excursion - May 2037
17. Inhumans 3 - July 2037
18. Young Avengers 3 - November 2037
19. Defenders 3 - February 2038
20. Avengers Timeless - May 2038
Oh. My. God. 😂🤣
Armor wars 2 AND 3 hahahah 😅
I think it’ll actually be a West Coast Avengers team trilogy which features War Machine, Wonder Man, and maybe some others
I cancelled Disney after Secret Invasion. Excellent actors Samuel L Jackson and Olivia Coleman were wasted.
Netflix Marvel was very good to excellent. Iron Fist was the only series I didn’t like because the actor didn’t have time to train for the martial arts scenes. However, even Iron Fist story linked into Defenders (Heroes for Hire).
Glad they are going away from Disney plus shows for the most part. The shows should not be a pre req for any movies. Most casuals may not even have D+ or pay attention to the shows
What MCU needs to do
1 stop with the jokes to ruin scenes
2dont introduce characters you won't see within 2 years,
3 quantity isn't the problem quality is
Make D+ shows real season at least 18 episodes at least 42 minutes not including credits
I still haven’t watched the eternals. I want too
I mean we saw this coming…
#11. Channels talking about the MCU for clicks & views.
I am agree to all problem with mcu and multiverse thing
some of these things are valid but a lot of them are just people whining, you have less movies you have a tighter story, they've put out more content to because they're expanding the universe so things won't become cohesive until closer to kangs dynasty and movies like that. When it comes to making every movie a movie anyone can just jump into and understand whats going on is more so the difference between good/bad movies, what's the point of making them connected to a saga if you don't include callbacks and build off the previous movies? plus that's a disservice to the fans that have been along for the ride. The MCU could honestly fix all this by just saying the movies take place in different universes, that way you can build off each movie and then connect them at the end for battle world, if they're not going to sit all the writers in a single room and have them all make it connect then you have to do this.... or we can just wait til the end of the saga... BTW there are core characters, just not the ones you like... strange still there, ms marvel there, thor, fury, bucky, sam, spider man, etc.... John just impatient... people just like cheap pop and have short attention spans honestly.
Your point about the expanding is valid on one side, but I'd be curious to compare the pacing. It is sounding like instead of looking at the number of projects, look at the span of time, and answer for ourselves, "Are we getting the equivalent of 3 build ups with the 3x increased output over roughly the same span of time as we did the build up to the Avengers, and from there to End Game?"
On initial thinking I'd say we aren't, but if they abandoned plans to have Kang, Celestials and, say, The 10 Rings or Skrulls all be the Thanos-equivalent story caps, it would make sense that it looks directionless. Either way, it is clear all projects don't need to be building to Kang like those early phase ones built to Thanos.
Also we’re are the villains at dont Marvel have some good ones.
quality > quantity
I would never agree that the MCU has taken a Step down in quality. Everything is just as great today as it was before. I also COMPLETELY disagree that prior viewing is required. One could go into Dr Strange 2 without having seen Wandavision
The first MCU movie I watched was Guardians 2 and I understood it perfectly.