There's a lot to take in in this video, and if you are not familiar with Austrian politics it may be a bit bewildering. I will give the the basics of how Austrian politics work, and a basic chronology of Jörg Haider's career in this post. I will post the notes with timestamps in the reply below. Austria, like Germany, is a federal country, so there is a national parliament and government, and also state parliaments and state governments. Words that begin with "National-" or "Bundes-" are related to politics on the national / federal level. Words starting with "Land-" are related to the states. The head of the national government, ie. the prime minister of Austria, is called the Bundeskanzler ("Federal Chancellor"). The head of each of the state governments, ie. the prime minister of each state, is called a Landeshauptmann ("State-Captain"). Haider was Landeshauptmann of Carinthia three times in total. Landeshauptmann is usually translated into English as "governor" but this isn't a accurate description of the role. Governors are like presidents: not members of the legislature, and elected directly by the people. Landeshauptmann is a prime-minister type role, similar to "Premier" in the Canadian and Australian provinces and states, minister-president in Germany or First Minister in Scotland and Northern Ireland. I think First Minister is a better translation than governor: anyone familiar with British politics should understood what this means (the head of government of an entity that isn't a sovereign state), whereas State-Premier or State-Captain are more obscure terms in my opinion. The major parties historically in Austria have been the SPÖ (centre-left, social democrats), the FPÖ (originally centrist / liberals, but moved to the right under Haider) and the ÖVP (centre-right Christian democrats). Recently the Greens and NEOS (liberal) have become important players too. The current Federal Chancellor is Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP). Haider's career - 1979: elected to Nationalrat (national parliament). Haider was 29 at the time, the youngest member of the parliament. Soon afterwards he also became Minister for Tourism in the Carinthia state government. At this point Haider was party secretary (not the leader) of the Carinthia FPÖ (I wrote simply "party secretary" in the subtitle because I think "young state-party secretary" (which is what the narrator says) sounds odd in English and something like "young party secretary of the Carinthia FPÖ is too many words to read in five seconds.) 1983: becomes leader of the Carinthia FPÖ 1986: becomes leader of the national FPÖ (ie. leader of the entire party). 1989: elected Landeshauptmann of Carinthia 1991: Carinthia parliament votes him out due to his comment about Nazi-era employment policy (see 2:12 note below) 1992-98: wilderness years 1999: peak of Haider's power and influence. Returns as Landeshauptmann after Carinthia state election in March. Then leads FPÖ to second place in national election in October. FPÖ and ÖVP form coalition. Haider steps down as party leader, and isn't a minister in the government either: he does this to take some of the heat off the new government (Haider was a very controversial figure). Susanne Riess-Passer becomes party leader and Vice-Chancellor of Austria. ÖVP leader Wolfgang Schüssel is the Chancellor. 1999-2005: years of turmoil and decline for the FPÖ. Inner divisions and tanking poll numbers (with the exception of Carinthia). Haider leads a coup against Riess-Passer's more moderate faction in 2002. By 2005 there are two factions within the FPÖ: Haider's faction and HC Strache's faction. Haider had become more moderate by this stage. His faction was the more moderate of the two. Main difference between the two factions is Haider is a stronger supporter of existing OVP-FPÖ coalition government and its policies. Haider leaves and sets up up a new party, the BZÖ. BZÖ takes over FPÖ's place in government coalition 2005-06, but is out of government after next election (2006) 2006: BZÖ scores a poor 4.1% in the national election 2008: BZÖ does much better in the next national election, scoring 10.7%. At this point it looks like Haider is back as a major player, although it seems unlikely the BZÖ will form part of any coalition just yet (eventually an SPÖ-ÖVP grand colaition is formed) Haider dies in a road accident twelves days later.
notes with timestamps: 1:00 the narrator says ""young state-party secretary" ie. secretary of the state party (Carinthia), not secretary of the national party (for the whole of Austria). I wrote simply "young party secretary" in the subtitle because I think "young state-party secretary" (which is what the narrator says) sounds odd in English and something like "young party secretary of the Carinthia FPÖ is too many words to read in five seconds). 1:29 Innsbruck 1986: this is when Haider becomes leader of the national party (he was already leader of the Carinthia branch) 1:45 First Minister: The head of each of the state governments, ie. the prime minister of each state, is called a Landeshauptmann ("State-Captain"). Landeshauptmann is usually translated into English as "governor" but this isn't a accurate description of the role. Governors are like presidents: not members of the legislature, and elected directly by the people. Landeshauptmann however is a prime-minister type role, similar to "Premier" in the Canadian and Australian provinces and states, minister-president in Germany or First Minister in Scotland or Northern Ireland. I think First Minister is a better translation: anyone familiar with British politics should understood what this means (the head of government of an entity that isn't a sovereign state), whereas State-Premier or State-Captain are more obscure terms in my opinion. Haider was Landeshauptmann of Carinthia three times in total. 2:12 this was because of the famous "Haider praises Nazi-era employment policy" incident. Haider was suggesting immigrants should have to do some kind of public service in return for welfare benefits. A member of the SPÖ said this was the type of thing (forced labour) there was during the Nazi era. Haider responded by saying, "Well, no there wasn't that in the Third Reich, because in the Third Reich they had a proper employment policy, something your government in Vienna can't even manage. That has to be said." ("Na, das hat’s im Dritten Reich nicht gegeben, weil im Dritten Reich haben sie ordentliche Beschäftigungspolitik gemacht, was nicht einmal Ihre Regierung in Wien zusammenbringt. Das muss man auch einmal sagen.") Haider said his comment was not intended to praise the Nazi policy, and that everybody knew that. He said he tried to take precautions, so as to leave no room for "misinterpretation". He said his statement was simply "a statement of fact", that unemployment was low because many jobs were created by the government's "intensive employment policy" during that era. 2:33 I changed the tenses of the verbs here. He actually says "because I know that there are many on my side, who cannot help me today, although they wanted to" I switched this to "I know there are many who are on my side, who wanted to help me today, but could not" because I think it sounds smoother and is shorter. Haider is presumably speaking just before the vote to remove him from office takes place. I don't think I changed the meaning much. He already had an idea that people wanted to support him in the upcoming vote but could not. 3:00 Haider is being asked about the upcoming national elections in this clip 3:50 FPÖ and ÖVP form coalition. Haider steps down as party leader, and isn't a minister in the government: he does this to take some of the heat off the new government (because Haider was such a controversial figure). Susanne Riess-Passer becomes party leader and Vice-Chancellor of Austria. ÖVP leader Wolfgang Schüssel is the Chancellor. 4:08 Haider led a coup against Riess-Passer's more moderate faction in 2002. This incident was called the "Knittelfeld Putsch". The government wanted to postpone a tax reform because of the devastating 2002 Central European floods. Haider didn't agree. 4:53 BZÖ = Alliance for Austria 5:20 Haider was speeding (88 mph) and had a blood-alcohol level three times over the limit. The crash was investgated and ruled an accident. However many conspiracy theories also exist. 5:47 This is HC Strache, who was FPÖ leader when this video was made (October 2018). 5:55 Austria First: amongst other things, this petition wanted to insert the phrase "Austria is not an immigration country" into the constitution. 6:08 privileges for public officials 6:08 appointments made for political reasons: "Postenschacher", this means public sector positions being awarded in an untransparent manner, often to political allies. Overlaps with "Proporz", see below. 6:32 red-black Proporz ("proportion"): the phenomenon of the SPÖ (red) and the ÖVP (black) divvying up senior public sector positions between them. For example, if the head of some organisation was an SPÖ man (or woman), the deputy head would always be an ÖVP man and vice versa (hence "proportion") This was a result of deacdes of near constant SPÖ-ÖVP coalition governments after WW2, and a larger than usual public sector in Austria. 6:48 he doesn't actually say "fight for", he just says "our responsibility for". I added "fight for" to make the meaning clear. 6:50 fairness, as used by the FPÖ, usually means "giving ordinary people a break". 6:50 the term "social justice" doesn't have the same left-wing stigma in German. It's a more moderate term. Similar to "fairness". 7:05 Carinthia's national holiday is held on the day of the 1920 plebiscite (it's just a coincidecne that it is also the day before Haider's death). The plebiscite asked voters in part of Carinthia whether they wanted to be part of Yugoslavia or Austria (there is a substantial Slovenian minority in Carinthia). Voters chose Austria. Hence "remains undivided" (Carinthia would have been split in two if they had chosen Yugoslavia). 7:30 This is a traditional Alpine song, sung in dialect, by Haider and the Klagenfurt Men's Double Sextet.
@@AntonioBrandao Snarky but I'll bite. The proof is in not having pudding and therefore not being able to eat any. If you are an awful person like me you would try the following: wikispooks.com/wiki/Austria#Deep_State_Events and go from there. Zugabe: ruclips.net/video/lc2MKSNpYPg/видео.html
So this FPO guy who pontificates about the late mr. Haider sounds like he is milking it. Could it be that establishing the BZO was not part of the script and therefore the demise of its figurehead was arranged? Feels like we have been here before. Deja vu.
There's a lot to take in in this video, and if you are not familiar with Austrian politics it may be a bit bewildering. I will give the the basics of how Austrian politics work, and a basic chronology of Jörg Haider's career in this post. I will post the notes with timestamps in the reply below.
Austria, like Germany, is a federal country, so there is a national parliament and government, and also state parliaments and state governments.
Words that begin with "National-" or "Bundes-" are related to politics on the national / federal level.
Words starting with "Land-" are related to the states.
The head of the national government, ie. the prime minister of Austria, is called the Bundeskanzler ("Federal Chancellor").
The head of each of the state governments, ie. the prime minister of each state, is called a Landeshauptmann ("State-Captain").
Haider was Landeshauptmann of Carinthia three times in total.
Landeshauptmann is usually translated into English as "governor" but this isn't a accurate description of the role.
Governors are like presidents: not members of the legislature, and elected directly by the people.
Landeshauptmann is a prime-minister type role, similar to "Premier" in the Canadian and Australian provinces and states, minister-president in Germany or First Minister in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
I think First Minister is a better translation than governor: anyone familiar with British politics should understood what this means (the head of government of an entity that isn't a sovereign state), whereas State-Premier or State-Captain are more obscure terms in my opinion.
The major parties historically in Austria have been the SPÖ (centre-left, social democrats), the FPÖ (originally centrist / liberals, but moved to the right under Haider) and the ÖVP (centre-right Christian democrats).
Recently the Greens and NEOS (liberal) have become important players too.
The current Federal Chancellor is Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP).
Haider's career -
1979: elected to Nationalrat (national parliament). Haider was 29 at the time, the youngest member of the parliament.
Soon afterwards he also became Minister for Tourism in the Carinthia state government. At this point Haider was party secretary (not the leader) of the Carinthia FPÖ
(I wrote simply "party secretary" in the subtitle because I think "young state-party secretary" (which is what the narrator says) sounds odd in English
and something like "young party secretary of the Carinthia FPÖ is too many words to read in five seconds.)
1983: becomes leader of the Carinthia FPÖ
1986: becomes leader of the national FPÖ (ie. leader of the entire party).
1989: elected Landeshauptmann of Carinthia
1991: Carinthia parliament votes him out due to his comment about Nazi-era employment policy (see 2:12 note below)
1992-98: wilderness years
1999: peak of Haider's power and influence. Returns as Landeshauptmann after Carinthia state election in March. Then leads FPÖ to second place in national election in October.
FPÖ and ÖVP form coalition. Haider steps down as party leader, and isn't a minister in the government either: he does this to take some of the heat off the new government (Haider was a very controversial figure).
Susanne Riess-Passer becomes party leader and Vice-Chancellor of Austria. ÖVP leader Wolfgang Schüssel is the Chancellor.
1999-2005: years of turmoil and decline for the FPÖ. Inner divisions and tanking poll numbers (with the exception of Carinthia).
Haider leads a coup against Riess-Passer's more moderate faction in 2002.
By 2005 there are two factions within the FPÖ: Haider's faction and HC Strache's faction.
Haider had become more moderate by this stage. His faction was the more moderate of the two.
Main difference between the two factions is Haider is a stronger supporter of existing OVP-FPÖ coalition government and its policies.
Haider leaves and sets up up a new party, the BZÖ. BZÖ takes over FPÖ's place in government coalition 2005-06, but is out of government after next election (2006)
2006: BZÖ scores a poor 4.1% in the national election
2008: BZÖ does much better in the next national election, scoring 10.7%.
At this point it looks like Haider is back as a major player, although it seems unlikely the BZÖ will form part of any coalition just yet (eventually an SPÖ-ÖVP grand colaition is formed)
Haider dies in a road accident twelves days later.
notes with timestamps:
1:00 the narrator says ""young state-party secretary" ie. secretary of the state party (Carinthia), not secretary of the national party (for the whole of Austria). I wrote simply "young party secretary" in the subtitle because I think "young state-party secretary" (which is what the narrator says) sounds odd in English and something like "young party secretary of the Carinthia FPÖ is too many words to read in five seconds).
1:29 Innsbruck 1986: this is when Haider becomes leader of the national party (he was already leader of the Carinthia branch)
1:45 First Minister: The head of each of the state governments, ie. the prime minister of each state, is called a Landeshauptmann ("State-Captain").
Landeshauptmann is usually translated into English as "governor" but this isn't a accurate description of the role.
Governors are like presidents: not members of the legislature, and elected directly by the people.
Landeshauptmann however is a prime-minister type role, similar to "Premier" in the Canadian and Australian provinces and states, minister-president in Germany or First Minister in Scotland or Northern Ireland.
I think First Minister is a better translation: anyone familiar with British politics should understood what this means (the head of government of an entity that isn't a sovereign state),
whereas State-Premier or State-Captain are more obscure terms in my opinion.
Haider was Landeshauptmann of Carinthia three times in total.
2:12 this was because of the famous "Haider praises Nazi-era employment policy" incident.
Haider was suggesting immigrants should have to do some kind of public service in return for welfare benefits.
A member of the SPÖ said this was the type of thing (forced labour) there was during the Nazi era.
Haider responded by saying, "Well, no there wasn't that in the Third Reich, because in the Third Reich they had a proper employment policy, something your government in Vienna can't even manage. That has to be said."
("Na, das hat’s im Dritten Reich nicht gegeben, weil im Dritten Reich haben sie ordentliche Beschäftigungspolitik gemacht, was nicht einmal Ihre Regierung in Wien zusammenbringt. Das muss man auch einmal sagen.")
Haider said his comment was not intended to praise the Nazi policy, and that everybody knew that. He said he tried to take precautions, so as to leave no room for "misinterpretation".
He said his statement was simply "a statement of fact", that unemployment was low because many jobs were created by the government's "intensive employment policy" during that era.
2:33 I changed the tenses of the verbs here. He actually says "because I know that there are many on my side, who cannot help me today, although they wanted to"
I switched this to "I know there are many who are on my side, who wanted to help me today, but could not" because I think it sounds smoother and is shorter.
Haider is presumably speaking just before the vote to remove him from office takes place. I don't think I changed the meaning much. He already had an idea that people wanted to support him in the upcoming vote but could not.
3:00 Haider is being asked about the upcoming national elections in this clip
3:50 FPÖ and ÖVP form coalition. Haider steps down as party leader, and isn't a minister in the government: he does this to take some of the heat off the new government (because Haider was such a controversial figure).
Susanne Riess-Passer becomes party leader and Vice-Chancellor of Austria. ÖVP leader Wolfgang Schüssel is the Chancellor.
4:08 Haider led a coup against Riess-Passer's more moderate faction in 2002. This incident was called the "Knittelfeld Putsch".
The government wanted to postpone a tax reform because of the devastating 2002 Central European floods. Haider didn't agree.
4:53 BZÖ = Alliance for Austria
5:20 Haider was speeding (88 mph) and had a blood-alcohol level three times over the limit. The crash was investgated and ruled an accident. However many conspiracy theories also exist.
5:47 This is HC Strache, who was FPÖ leader when this video was made (October 2018).
5:55 Austria First: amongst other things, this petition wanted to insert the phrase "Austria is not an immigration country" into the constitution.
6:08 privileges for public officials
6:08 appointments made for political reasons: "Postenschacher", this means public sector positions being awarded in an untransparent manner, often to political allies. Overlaps with "Proporz", see below.
6:32 red-black Proporz ("proportion"): the phenomenon of the SPÖ (red) and the ÖVP (black) divvying up senior public sector positions between them.
For example, if the head of some organisation was an SPÖ man (or woman), the deputy head would always be an ÖVP man and vice versa (hence "proportion")
This was a result of deacdes of near constant SPÖ-ÖVP coalition governments after WW2, and a larger than usual public sector in Austria.
6:48 he doesn't actually say "fight for", he just says "our responsibility for". I added "fight for" to make the meaning clear.
6:50 fairness, as used by the FPÖ, usually means "giving ordinary people a break".
6:50 the term "social justice" doesn't have the same left-wing stigma in German. It's a more moderate term. Similar to "fairness".
7:05 Carinthia's national holiday is held on the day of the 1920 plebiscite (it's just a coincidecne that it is also the day before Haider's death).
The plebiscite asked voters in part of Carinthia whether they wanted to be part of Yugoslavia or Austria (there is a substantial Slovenian minority in Carinthia). Voters chose Austria.
Hence "remains undivided" (Carinthia would have been split in two if they had chosen Yugoslavia).
7:30 This is a traditional Alpine song, sung in dialect, by Haider and the Klagenfurt Men's Double Sextet.
Massive thanks for all the work!
Finally have a chance to educate myself about this part of the Austrian politics.
Inspiring to witness a leader with genuine love of his people and his land. Patriots are golden.
I hear that as saying he had to be removed as in Operation Gladio.
Which is not what you said. /bitches b crazy brothers b crazier =)
A legend of austrian politics/Eine Legende der österreichischen Politik.
A true legend of Austria. We all know who took him out. Let's leave it at that.
Who was it? People should know.
@@AntonioBrandao Snarky but I'll bite.
The proof is in not having pudding and therefore not being able to eat any.
If you are an awful person like me you would try the following: wikispooks.com/wiki/Austria#Deep_State_Events and go from there.
Zugabe: ruclips.net/video/lc2MKSNpYPg/видео.html
Sehr interessant!
danke!
So this FPO guy who pontificates about the late mr. Haider sounds like he is milking it.
Could it be that establishing the BZO was not part of the script and therefore
the demise of its figurehead was arranged? Feels like we have been here before. Deja vu.
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I remember all the lies that the Italian press wrote about him back then.
there was always lots of BS and exaggeration about Haider