Corvus Corax and The Raven Guard (Lore and Theory Crafting)
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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00:00 - Introduction
1:57 - Old Earth
3:14 - Origins
5:25 - Old Guard Culture
7:06 - A Lord in Chains
9:41 - Suffering in Lycaeus
11:46 - Revolution
15:52 - Wraith Slipping
17:02 - The Tri Fold Path
18:07 - Shadow Masters
21:46 - Dismantling the Old Guard
23:50 - Culture and Tradition
30:20 - Roboute Guillimen
32:15 - Leman Russ
34:12 - Ephrenia
35:34 - No Serfs Theory
36:24 - Battle for Istvaan
39:34 - Ronin Kraft
40:04 - Clone Wars
42:53 - Primarch God
45:56 - Kayvaan Shrike
48:02 - On Kiavahr
49:14 - Successors
49:29 - Raptors
50:19 - Knights of the Raven
51:23 - The Black Guard
53:17 - Personal Enemies
54:11 - Thank You
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Corax and Sister: Nasturi Ephrenia - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Lexicanum: Raven Guard - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Fortress Monastery and Secrets: • FIRST FOUNDING FORTRES...
The Raptors: Raptors | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom
Knights of the Raven: Knights of the Raven | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom
KOTR Homeworld: Coralax - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Death Specters: Death Spectres | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom
Cemetary World: Cemetery World | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom
DS Homeworld: Occludus - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Black Guard: Black Guard | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom
Gherith Arendi: Gherith Arendi - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Kayvaan Shrike: Kayvaan Shrike - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Corvus leaving: Corvus Corax | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom
Praying to Corax: • TIES OF THE RAVEN GUAR...
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are raven guard dreadnoughts a thing?
Yes they are. Though only used rarely. Tactically speaking they function similarly to a Deliverer in the sense they are a surprise towards enemies that become accustomed to fighting stealth operatives with a big explosive attack. The former master of shadows before Kayvaan is currently in one.
@@GrimDarkHalfOff interesting i would not have guessed the raven guard to actually use dreadnoughts .i normally see them as a ultramarine or ironhand kind of thing.
@@matthewflynnthegladiatorof6787 I agree, it's pretty weird. I think it has to do with the ultramarine influence from the Codex Astartes. I'll pin your comment because this information in this conversation wasn't in the video, thanks for asking!
There's a common misconception about Raven Guard (a meme, really) that all they do is sneaking in a ton of power armor. That's 50% of the job. Sabotage, assassination and misdirection are their primary methods of war, yes, but they use these tactics to throw enemy forces into confusion. Once the enemy is leaderless, weakened and cut away from reinforcements, they utilize rapid insertions with dreadnoughts, terminators, Aggressors and tanks to finish them off with a killing blow. Their 9th company also specializes in overwhelming firepower per Corax's teaching of "stealth is all right but once shit goes down, you need to shoot your way out of it" so it is perfectly fine to include heavy weaponry, dreadnoughts and intercessors into your RG force.
Plus Dreadnoughts aren't just machines of war. They're the ancient remnants of their chapters, some of which trace back to the time when they were legions. They're as much engines of destruction as they are repositories of knowledge, traditions and battle tactics. They are, for lack of a better word, the SOUL of a chapter in many ways. So even for chapters like Raven Guard and White Scars, who seem to not really favor dreadnought battle usage, the Dreadnoughts still serve a major purpose and are treated with just as much respect as any other chapter would.
The most underrated Primarch.
Eh, I'd argue the Khan is more underrated, but Corvus and Ferrus both got shit on
Just how we like it. Stay humble.
darn tootin'
Perturabo is more underated. Man only gets mocked for being salty when he hard carried the herresy, dueled and defeated demon Primarch Angron, and embarrassed Dorn at the Iron Cage.
I was originally going to make a dark angel army but this is definitely going to be my first army I paint.
I always overlooked the ravenguard, but I actually love them now. I should really start reading the books
Bruh, raven guard is ok start but i would advise on, may chaos undived forgive me for uttering the word, Ultramarine books or those about sons of sanguinius
The Raven Guard remind me in a way of the North American First Nations "Counting Coup" style of warfare. All out pitched battles have a place, but being able to sneak up and slap the enemy and sneak out without being seen has merits as well.
Ravenguard is my 40K army. It started as a fluke cause I bought the 7th edition kill team box that came with T’au and spacemarines. The chapter pictured was the ravens so I figured I’d paint then that chapter. It was my first purchase for 40K and wasn’t sure I’d like it. When 8th came out I kept Ravenguard as my army and that’s when I knew they were my favorite. I’ve been looking forward for this video since it was announced. Was not Disappointed! Gonna have to watch it a couple more times.
I have a similar journey too. Kill Team 2018 had the Raven Guard on the front cover, my mate explained who they are, and I fell in love
Imagine a short story where a squad if Night Lords came upon a Sable Brand Raven Guard... at night... in the rain...
Mood kindred?
Nostroman Night Lords, or Terran Night Lords?
@@blah007001ohhhh. Someone who understands my legion
There’s actually a short story about Corax killing a squad of Night Lords while his Raven Guard, including a Loyalist Night Lord, come upon the scene. The Night Lord says that Corax appearing out of the darkness is the scariest thing he’d ever seen. I don’t recall the name of the story, but it’s in the Horus Heresy anthology book called “Corax”… I wholeheartedly recommend that book, and of course, Deliverance Lost as well.
Victorus Aut Mortis!
it either be that traitor RG who joined up with Night Lords post Dropsite or that serial killer RG who keeps popping up on different warzones during the heresy
Absolutely adore the Raven Guard. I got Deliverance Lost from a friend for my graduation, and reading it had me feeling so called out by how Corax's mind works and his perception of justice and righteousness. I saw so many of my own passions, my strengths and weaknesses of character, in him. Major major props to Gav Thorpe, who I believe wrote most of the HH era Corax books.
I might don the midnight but the Ravenlord and his boys will always have a cozy spot in my heart.
I love the Raven Guard one of my favorite Chapters of Space Marines. Thanks for your vid on them always nice to see more people make stuff for them.
My favorite as well
Thanks for diving into 40K. Love your Conan lore and am delighted to see you cover my favorite universe. As a Blood Angels player, I feel drawn to the Raven Guard as they’re the polar opposites to the “shock assaulting vampires who look fabulous” vibe my angels have but they have that underlying current of rage. Probably my next chapter or successor will be RG.
wonderful!
@@GrimDarkHalfOff I joined up on subscribestar well worth the contribution and joy I get from your uploads. I agree 40K is high fantasy with a sci fi skin. Keep on keeping on brother. Lift long and prosper.
@@87mstockwe Thanks brother, I'll be doing all I can to keep you all updated on the subscribestar page!
Love the video, you should look into the relationships between crows and wolves in real life.
I want Odin Russ when he comes back it will make sense to me idk lol maybe he fought a battle loosing a eye
Thanks a lot for this video ! This is exactly what I have been looking for for a long time. Many RUclipsrs started long series about the Primarchs but never reached the XIXth, or their videos were lacking a lot of details.
This is the video I will recommend to everyone who asks me why the Raven Guard and Corax are my favorite Legion/Primarch.
Also It's always good to hear about the Raptors (the true reasonables Marines), my own homebrew is their descendant :)
"Corax is a friend of the oppressed."
Just make sure he doesn't find out how his sons in the Death Spectres recruit.
Still gotta respect the Raven for making lemons out of lemonade out of Istvaan.
But yeah Legion wise, I have to think Sanguinius and The Khan are my favorite loyalists. Sanguinius had that Aragorn vibe, and the Khan was with Corax in the "work harder not smarter" camp of primarchs.(Seriously read "Scars" and "Pathway of Heaven," by the end of those books you'll love the Khan and his sons)
You have no idea how desperately I want Corax being a loyal daemon prince to be a thing
me too me too
@@GrimDarkHalfOff
I may have been a little tipsy when I wrote this and wanted to correct my error “Daemon Primarch” would be the accurate term.
Eloquent and well put together. Good stuff
Oh hell yeah, been so excited for this!
This is a great video! You do an excellent job of explaining the lore and philosophy behind the legion.
Love your break down of the Raven Guard.
I've listened to a lot of lore, but your take stands out. This was awesome.
I find that the Raven Guard underrated as a chapter/legion.
Im glad im not the only one.
I'm biased towards the Blood angels and Sanguinus I'm not apologising.
This was the most informative video I have seen on the Raven Guard. Thanks!
Swore by the 19th as my favorite legion, but didnt know much of the lore beyond what could be found the wiki and the 8th edition supplement. This video was a gold mine. Thanks, chief.
No problem! It’s why I’m here!
thank u for the full breakdown
This video was really awsome! not many people talk about the raven guard in the 40k podcasts I listen too. They're definatley one of my favourite chapters now XD
This is the best deep dive of the Chapter 👏🏽
Thanks brother
An absolytely AMAZING video! Very fun to watch, beautifully made and love your voice
Thanks brother!
Painting my World eater's atm since their my fav traitor chapter, but for loyalist's I've jumped around white scars and the wolves, but the raven guard books are really good I quite enjoyed the story in Corvus primarch book the plot in that is easy to read /listen, if your interested in getting into raven guard I highly recommend this book.
You are the best keep up the good work.
Thank you so much for all the quality, depth, and conciseness in the way you tackle the lore and culture of the RG in this video, they are right next to the salamanders for my fav OG legion and you def did them justice. I wish a vid with this very same format was present for my personal fav chapter the black templars.
Working on the space sharks now but I’ll put them on the list!
@@GrimDarkHalfOff Awesome! Thank you! I'm very much looking forward to the Carcharodons! Keep up the amazing work!
I wonder if Corax's sister was the assassin that slew Kurze. It would be poetic irony.
U made NL fan very angry sir, expect ur kids flayed 😂
U made NL fan very angry sir, expect ur kids flayed 😂
@@kuchihashman3829 Considering Kurze expected to be assassinated, having it be another Primarch's "sister" would have given him one last chuckle.
It was Baldermorts description of the Raven Guard that made me fall in love with them. The counter to both Alpha Legion and night lords. Where those operate on infiltration and fear, RG literally own the darkness. Where the stealth units would take out the command structure only for the rest of the Astartes to swoop in like a murder of Crows. That and totally not demon Corvus Corax hunting Lorgar and what he's become.
It's something I've used in my own homebrew, Crimson Raptors, while using a norse theme to reflect the relationship between wolves and ravens irl
Hell yea ! Im a space wolf fan my self but you gotta respect the ravens
I've just discovered your channel through your appearance on the Astartes Anonymous podcast and I cannot express how happy I am to finally discover a fellow Raven Guard enjoyer
Thanks brother! For Istvaan!
Never did I foresee Grim Dark (Half Off) being the one to get me to love the Raven Guard. Thanks Man 👍
Your welcome!
Everyone has a legion that resonates, and RG was it for me. Precision over power, humility, and self reflection are such good principles that all the other memes don't matter. I can even get down with the haircuts for 90s kid nostalgia.
Fantastic video,
As someone whose enjoyed the structuring of your Conan videos, I greatly appreciated that structure applied to this setting(and legion).
Going through the video, Im curious over what there is to say about Coraxs depression, as it relates to his immortality and the human(mortal) connections hes made along the way(namely, in respect to his mortal adopted sister) i cant imagine immortality helping his mental state. But that could lead into a whole different conversation about mortals & immortals interacting.
Anyway thanks again. Would love to see this template applied to the Iron Warriors, Blood angels, and Death Guard.
sounds like a plan! love me some blood angels
One of the best videos on the Raven Guard on RUclips. I'm a huge Raven Guard fan and I'm currently working on my own Raven Guard successor chapter.
Me too! What’s yours like? Mine kinda function like a loyalist Alpha Legion
@@GrimDarkHalfOff My chapter is very much a W.I.P. jigsaw puzzle of ideas.
RAVIN' GUARD! 🎉
Lovely stuff
Nice video, I’m also a big raven guard fan, I like the informal matter-of-fact style.
Great job thank you
Np, For Istvaan!
Oh side note: im not sure if youve been paying attention to the lore in 10th but the beakie boys are taking a lead role in the 4th tyranic war.
Oooooo what books?
It's just the codex lore right now, GW is still working on rolling out the black library side of 10th. But, they feature on the decal sheet that comes with the new models and that seems to typically point to them taking center stage.
The raven guard can hide even from siker's swing set be very good at killing tearing it's because the tyranids can't see.
Would like to see more 40k content very well done as always.
In the Primarchs video I determined that Corvus was my favorite. This has not only confirmed it, but if i ever truly get into warhammer 40k and I can't get a hold of some Eldar I am fully willing to make a Raven guard army. If i remembered the others I could list the competition that could have been my favorite Primarch but I am pretty much sold on this one.
Great video
Thank you I really hope it gets more attention
I love the other bird primarch and his perfect third legion 🦅. Their martial prowess and pride and tragic fall are simply too awesome!
I'm going to apologize in advance for being that guy:
Sanguinious, Fulgrim, Corax, and the Khan could all be considered "the other bird primarch" but I take your comment as is.
None taken I just always think Sanquinius as an angel and I rarely associate Khan with the hawk.
You know how hard it is to find a channel that tells the info as it is without using some kind of edgey theatrical voice and flowery language?
If you're into that kind of thing its fine, but sometimes its good to have the choice of a straight-shooting no-nonsense narrator
Thank you very much, good sir
Raven Guard are personal favorite Legion / Chapter. I hope we see Corvus Corax return to 40k sooner than later. We can dream!
I know the feeling brother
Raven guard artolie underrated and they are my favorite Legion. Everybody thinks of them as the emo Marines, but that's just because most legions have become caricatures of what they actually are. The Raven guard have the compassion of the salamanders, a cool berserker rage like the blood angels and the humility of the white scars. People think that the alpha Legion is the stealthiest but I would argue they are the most deceptive. It is the Raven guard who are truly the stealthiest of the legions.
Take this all into account and add the fact that they are freedom fighters who put fear into the tyrants who oppress the common Man and you got yourself a badass legion.
Wow, excellent work my friend. Corax himself would be pleased. I say that alot for fun on people's things but this time I rlly freaking mean it. LoL
Thanks brother! Next up space sharks!
Love the use of Journey video game ost in rhe the background.
You should continue with 40k content, great video
After the conan projects coming up, I'll definitely try!
@GrimDarkHalfOff Okay great, the humor about the shadow walking was on point too lmao c'mon bro...we're just sneakin' bro... 🤷🏻♂️
Caw-caw! CAW-CAW!!!
I'm going to say something that's taboo.
I was not necessarily dealt a great Hand by Fate and I am correcting that with TRT right now.
It really feels like I am going through the closest someone can currently get to going through Space Marine training and transformation.
I was always athletic but I was never good and no matter how hard I worked I always looked doughy.
That's changing now, I really do think that I was just testosterone deficient when I went through puberty.
Man, I really should have done this in high school my life would be very different.
( this isn't medical advice I'm just saying it's working for me in this specific situation)
"VICTORUS AUT MORTIS "
THANK YOU FOR SHARING OUR LEGION, AND PRIMARCHS, ABSOLUTE SUPERIORITY AND TOTAL BEAST MODE SAVAGERY WE BRING TO BEAR UPON OUR ENEMIES, FROM THE SHADOWS WE COME, AND TO THE SHADOWS WE SHALT RETURN, WE ARE THE SHADOW. WE WATCH, AND WE WAIT, AND OUR TALONS ARE SHARP......
The Raven Guard needs more love!
I fonund during my study of the Herresy era lore, i really enjoyed Corvus Corax and vulkan. My all time favorite space Marines are the Grey Knights! Im a huge fan of Garro and Malcador. I did find it odd that Corvus and Angron both came from Slave cultures but were totally different (likely due at least in part to the buchers nails.)
Ravenguard is definitely my favorite legion
My favourite Legion and Primarch
Mine too brother!
Hurray, my favorite two legions and primarchs are Raven guards and Corvus as well as the White scars and Jagetai. Best tactics, real thinkers, not extreme in anything and most important they have the only two non self obsessed 7 year old primarchs. I wish they could come back.
I am a raven guard enjoyer, now.
Corax is one of those Primarchs I kinda slept on. This video definitely gave me a better appreciation of them. My favorite Legion is the Thousand Sons. I honestly don't really have a favorite Primarch.
"The insane manchild Lorgar" 😂
I speak only truths
good stuff do more
Corvus Corax is at the top of my 3 favorite Primarchs. The other 2 being Vulkan and Jagathai Kahn
Bud, that was a fun as hell listen while I'm working on 15mm Napoleonic British riflemen. Laughed several times re: Batman
Thanks, I also make a bunch of bad pirate jokes when we talk about the space sharks!
I’m annoyed that RUclips neglected to inform me of this upload. I like how many former legions are so underrated. Iron hands. Salamanders. Raven guard. Night lords.
Can you do a video on the blood ravens, i know a lot of people don't like them after dow 3 but I kinda like the fact the is this guys hunt down any information even if its heretical which sometimes puts them at odds with the inquisition and other space marine chapters because they believe that knowledge is power, just like another certain traitor chapter.
I like the treasure hunter marines! I'll think about it! I really like that they might be thousand sons successors
Hey OP, how about making video about sons of peturabo or lorgar loyalists?
Fun fact the tactics used by the Raven guard for stealth and infiltration are written into the codexes Astartes .
As they should be
I've veen on the periphary for a while, but I ghink you just convimced me to get into 40k
glad to be of service!
The things I like about the Raven guards is must spacemarina will run up and punch you in the face or hit you with the thunder hammer. But the Raven guard always take the Indiana Jones approaching why don't we just shoot you.
Lol.
They have the talk:
Why-it-is-good-to-be-sneaky
Nykona Sharrowkyn > Kayvaan Shrike.
Drops a bullet in Fulgrims eye, faces down Alpharius, kills Lucius first person to do it, trained directly by Corax, and saves relic to make primaris. Beast
Agreed! Sharrowkyn is the Terry McGinnis of the Raven Bat Family
Great video! Too many channels with warhammer lore just read the wiki. Like thanks bro, but theres lots of hearing impairment aids out there that dont advertise Raid, shadow legends! Gatcha game of the decade~
Would love more 40k stuff from you...
Working on a Space Sharks video now
I'd say the wolf and the Raven definitely had to have some training together because great hunters the space Wolf equivalent of scouts are some seriously sneaky bastards.there not Raven guard sneaky but it close
Love Corax. There is a good German folk bank that has his same name.
Yeah I think it’s a reference to the mythological crow father
I like all the legions to some extent but the temperate and understated sons of midnight have never really appealed to me on a personal level so I'm hoping this might change my mind! (btw I consider myself a lorehead though my friends might replace head with master if you're at all interested in some free consulting I'd be more then happy to give it a shot if you want that level of accuracy for your style of content and plan on doing more 40K in the future)
My favorite primach
Because you have good taste
I’m just getting to this video now, but there is A LOT of psychoanalytic symbolism about the effects of the father on his sons n the relationship between the Night Lord’s and Raven Guard
Both legions had a similar function prior to their respective father’s arrival. Yet Corvus saw the RG for what they could be, and discarded those who represented the worst excesses of the legion, and challenged them to be better: A.K.A the loving and wise father
Konrad Cruze hated The Night Lords and thus fed their bloodlust and enabled their sadism and cruelty. A.K.A the aloof and uncaring father
Good analysis! Happy to hear it!
@@GrimDarkHalfOff
As a Salamander player, all I can say is “I AM UPSET THAT YOU ARE SAD BRUDDA, PLEASE GIVE ME A HUG”
what is the name of that game in beginning of the video the one with the red space marine?
Hang on... Cloth and sand around joints? This sounds very odd and like it wouldn't do anything the way I can picture it. I know how a supportive brace can help weak backs where more muscles work together, but would it help stealthing to wrap cloth around, say, a knee?
Night lords and Raven guard speak to me more than other Legion and chapters
yeee!
how many chapters they have
Have you heard of the french version of Conan, called Conan le cimmerien ,edited by Glenat ? love your channel btw
I'm quite torn between this chapter and Ultramarines, what's your thoughts on the Blue Boys?
Good lads! When it comes to the original legions I go: Raven Guard, Ultramarines and Space Wolves in that order of most favorite
Konrad is the Joker/Carnage to Corax's Punisher/Batman
Till this day i lament the death of Sanguinius.
My favorite space marines chapter from warhammer 40K be the space shark the Carcharodons. 🦈🦈🦈🦈
They are a possible successor chapter
I find it will be really cool if they are worship the god emperor. Chapter who have a spiritual vision of emperor more understandable and human and also more reliable. Space sharks who parabley related to raven gurds are also see emperor ass a mythological figure known as void father.
what game is that at the 1:12 mark?
40k total conversion mod for Grim Dawn - you play as a space marine and can change up your power armor as much as you want sadly there is no Raven Guard armor so I settled for blood angels
what r ur top 5 fav chapters? assuming raven guard #1?
I would say
1. Raven Guard
2. Grey Knights
3. Celestial Lions
4. Blood Ravens
5. Space Wolves
@@GrimDarkHalfOff 1. Ultramarines/Silver Templars (I know...)
2. Black Templars
3. Blood Ravens
4. White Scars
5. Salamanders (Crime we don't have more relevant successors
As far as traitors go. Love me some Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors.
Iron Without, Iron Within! Really mixed feelings on Peter Turbo. I kind of love him and kind of hate him.
Oh yeah Corvus Corax the John Cena of the 40k universe.
Sevetarion first captain of night lords have such ability than can speak to dead . Although no other night lords have such ability.
who is next
What about Horus the Hero?
I’d say he’s my favorite traitor Primarch
Fun Fact: ravens and wolfs work together in nature
hmm would modern corax consider the Imperium to be the "oppressor"?
No, modern Corax is sworn to defeat all elements of chaos - The Grim Darkness of the 41st millennia continues
Fitting the church building traitor is terrified a crow’ll shit all over his work
I like bird